Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!
posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?
Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?
Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.
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Isn’t that from “Young Guns”?
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:11 PM
2 million people SPECULATED Huckster.
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:11 PM
try that you have to use IE and dl and install a plugin
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:11 PM
platitudes.. platitudes….platitudes…platitudes.
Mcguyver on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I’m sorry. All I’m hearing so far is “buzzwordbuzzwordbuzzwordbuzzwordbuzzword”
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
The singing at the beginning made me cringe
Richard Bushnell on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
hey, here’s a dumb question…wouldn’t a fair tax affect low wage earners as well?…I mean things that “need” to be bought for the family would be taxed higher.
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Ha! you beat me to it.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I don’t buy this line about our economy tanking. Last debate we had to weather questions about “change.” Can we please pander to the GOP base for just a few minutes instead of kowtow-ing to the lib talking points?
TexasDan on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I agree.
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Thanks sitrep that worked
William Amos on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Does anyone think Guillini is going to actually start getting votes in Super Tues?
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Rudy is waiting for Florida?
hmmmmmmm
oh boy he’s railing against tax cuts :/
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I’m sorry. All I’m hearing so far is “buzzwordbuzzwordbuzzwordbuzzwordbuzzword”
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Because Fred! hasn’t been called on yet!
Casper the Friendly Host on January 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Rudy just can’t seem to get words out right…
Ditto on the platitudes and stupidity.
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Yeah he’ll pick up a few. Esp in NV
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM
McCain is called “Deficit Hawk”. Wow, Wallace, wow.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Ah,Rudy, mother of all tax cuts.haha
canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Whoa, keeping the tax cuts permanent?!
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM
FoxNews in the tank for McCain…ugh.
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
This McCain 4th time to answer questions….wtf?
broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
I cant wait for Ron paul to say we can get out of a recession by eliminating the IRS and going back to the gold standard..
i n 5 4 3 2
Always Right on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Blah blah blah, Reagan Revolution. Don’t you DARE use his name, McVain.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
reagan revolution?
yeesh he’s the cheguvara o it then… BLEH
GO AWAY MCVAIN!
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Eh… I doubt it
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Fred!
Donate here
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Love the mute switch……
Saves me from Ron Paul.
Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
How can McCain call himself a “Reagan foot-soldier?”
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
The McShamnesty lovin from Fox is making me sick
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
All of a sudden McCain’s for making the Bush tax cuts permanent?
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Can Paul even finish a thought…geez, he’s just babbling.
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
what the !, I haven’t heard Fred yet.
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Man, what a horrid voice…shudder
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Hello? Fred! is on the stage Chris, get to it!
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
You can tell that Paul is doing his best to remain calm instead of sounding like a grumpy grandpa. Too little, too late.
cannonball on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Candidate WITH A CHANCE here
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
What a group of……….pols. Read BS/Liars/Losers. Hey. Where’s any Q’s for Fred?
mustang1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
15 mins into the debate, McCain has been given three times to speak, and Fred hasn’t said a word yet.
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
RP: May be
rest in peacebe eaten by feral animals.wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I agree. Did no one else catch that? Or am I misunderstanding McCain’s position on that?
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Are they favoring Mac on the spending subject?
Mcguyver on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I’m sad for Ron Paul… I’ve never known a canidate I agreed with more, but wanted to vote for less
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Chris ignored Fred last time too.
ChartreuseDragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I now remember WHY I don’t watch these things…
Glad I’m with friends here.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Ron Paul is a doctor ((SHUDDER))
would you let him touch your wife?
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
DAMN!!!
I thought for sure RP would show up in black face.
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
RP: Where am I? Gold standard! Minorities! Who are you?
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Taking bets on whether Rupaul will be asked about his newsletter
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Paul seems smart when he isn’t going off on african americans, jews, and the military/foreign policy.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
No kidding. Thanks Fox for loving McShamnesty.
Blimp boy :The Austrian Theory…How appropriate
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Sharpton said. “It’s a specific racial term
I have noticed that too
allrsn on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Gee, they finally realized Fred was there.
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
.. to gloss over Mac’s opposition to tax cuts
Mcguyver on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I thought Paul had the easy opening for saying we are in recession b/c of the Iraq spending… and he didnt take it. Yeah, he might be on his meds tonight. Well, some of them
Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Fred’s joke went flat
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Austrian theory of recession ? Is that like the Nazi party economics of the 1930s ?
William Amos on January 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Fred: Rudy stole my idea
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:17 PM
http://www.fred08.com
I’m gonna send some mo’
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:17 PM
but they are all gods children and perhaps god just wants them back . Oh wait nope cant be god has an immigration policy too .
how about take them to the hospital fix them and then boot their a$$ back home and charge their home country for the care .
Also since they are being deported enforce the law which makes any illegal that returns after being deported a felony . I am also good with prison work camps in the deserts for these people to clean up the trash and build the fence as a way to pay us back for their crimes.
Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Talon…OMG!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:17 PM
I could be wrong,but is that the first time Reagan’s
name was envoked tonight!
canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Lest we not forget
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Go Fred! Go!
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:17 PM
I actually feel bad for Fred he seems to be getting shafted in this debate al though hes saying “UH” a lot….
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:18 PM
No it was brought up many times in Fox NH debates
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Fred would make a great cabinate member… or Judo TEacher
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Rudy mentioned Reagan at least twice
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Yes….A great many of lower income people don’t pay taxes!!!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:18 PM
RP oh we’re in a recession. Arificial growth incentives? MO-RON Aurtrian business cycle. Oh the standard of living is going down?! Geeze let more thirld world types in the country and elect a Democrat to the WH and you will really see a lowering of the standard of living.
sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Is it me, or all of these guys so far saying a whole lot of nothing?
p0s3r on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Let’s talk about Mitt’s healthcare plan!! Fred got in a cheap shot last debate and Mitt wasn’t allowed to talk about his Heritage Foundation-backed plan.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Ugh…
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Huckster sounds pissy with Carl.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Huck??? LOL
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Is it me, or all of these guys so far saying a whole lot of nothing?p0s3r on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Oooh, Huck. Stumbling badly. I love it.
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Fred Thompson is a real cracker Jack with his attention to details.
sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Huckabee: I’m going to be a jerk Carl, now I’m going to BS my way through the question.
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Rudy mentioned Reagan at least twice
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:18 PM
McVain mentioned Reagan once.
I know because I threw up a little in my mouth. :p
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
sorry meant to quote
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I thought Huck was going to stroke out there for a second. He took a while to say just a few words
Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
He seems tired.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
What is he talking about?
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Hucks lips are moving so hes lying.
sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
ANSWER the freaking question HUCK you idiot
jawbone on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
…or president. A really versatile guy, he is.
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Guns!!!!!!! Huck loves GUNS?
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Why does Huck remind me of Gomer Pyle in a suit?
Ugly on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I’m going to say
Three or four words
At a time
Because I’m Mike
Huckabee.
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Well, thanks for the slap in the face, Huckabee!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Huck is the best democrat on the stage!
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Does anybody else love the face Huck makes when he’s trying to seem sincere? The eyebrows like come together toward the nose….ya’ll know what I’m talking about.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Am I the only one who detests Huck saying he was a part of the Reagan coalition when he doesn’t abide by it?
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Great, more disenfranchised talk from Huck. He is the Republican Edwards! Good answer on 2nd though.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM
CLASSIC!
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM
I just plain detest Huck.
ChartreuseDragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Wow. Blatant identity politics from Huckabee. I feel excluded. And “single moms”? These are pure Democratic talking points.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Single moms?!!!! I am tired of heaaring about single moms Huck. How about personal responsibility.
sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Oh that’s right, evangelicals elected Reagan
jawbone on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Sounds a little like that lip-biting thing of another former AK governor, eh?
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM
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