Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!
posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?
Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?
Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.
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FREDALANCHE, BABY
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Fred is totally taking Luntz’s focus group.
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Yup.
You make it sound like the NYC could deport them if Giuliani wanted to. That is absurd.
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
It is about damn time Fred! got some props. He always had the right points. He just added some gravitas.
Fred!
Come on SC.
SimplyKimberly on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I wish Fred can finished as strong as he started–he kind of lost steam in the second half. I’d still give him the win, though.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I’m beside you as well, oh and get your hand off Glee’s rear end…
doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Fred punched people in the mouth who needed to be punched in the mouth. Period.
If you hang around a barber shop, you’re gonna get a hair cut.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Luntz let potheads in the group
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Dittos, ma’am, dittos.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Wonder if AP’s head-mashing his keyboard witnessing the birth of new FredHeads.
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Ron Paul is always a loser! Not just tonight!
The Ritz on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
ron paul = loser
stefanite on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Nobody impressed me that much, but..
Winner = Fred. He hit the hardest.
Second = McCain
Third= Mitt
Huck fumbled like crazy on several questions.
Rudy was barely there, looked bad, and seemed wishy-washy.
Paul should have been hit harder, but he’s still a smoking wreck after this one.
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
McCain can’t remember who he debated with.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Rudy,70,000 illegal children go to school,
i’m not sure the math,but that must mean
at least one to two thousand schools,no!
and I haven’t seen a junior school with a
thousand kids in in!
canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
It was the kiss of death for Romney and Obama, though…
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM
LOL!!! I have never heard that before its brilliant
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM
If Fred were to let the fire in his belly out to quick it would consume all.
FRED!
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Whoops, make that “had finished”.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM
If you hang around a barber shop, you’re gonna get a hair cut.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
LMAO
stlpatriot on January 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I’m torn. If Fred wasn’t for CFR and Mitt’s healthcare plan wasn’t so great, I could be a FredHead.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Smooth talking and witty responses only get you so far if you don’t have the substance.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
LET THERE BE FRED!
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Mitt isn’t contesting SC.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Watching Frank Lutz focus group:
Just one question: Is it a state law to be ugly to live in South Carolina? Holy crap!! My eyes hurt.
Roger Waters on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Except his good friend John McVain who got off scott-free.
Valiant on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Shut up about immigration, McShamnesty. We do not trust you on this issue. Never will.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
McCain JUST isn’t funny.
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
IMHO
Fred
Mitt
Maverick
Huckleberry
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy
and wayyyyyy down here…….RP
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Hey! Freds truck was at $529 thousand all night, after the debate, he is now almost $540 thou.
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Woo! Fred!! Did good, plus the focus group liked him.
aclark on January 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
McCain looks like Jar-Jar Bink’s king from Phantom Menace.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Here’s Alan “The Brake” Colmes. Watch the entire network come to a screeching halt.
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Before we all rush over to Fred, remember he was for CFR/suppression of free speech.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Did McCain just say that people TRUST him?
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:42 PM
I was talking about the focus group. The focus groups in NH loved Romney and Obama, and they both lost.
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Mitt’s vote will stay, Huck’s vote will fall, Fred’s vote will grow in Michigan and elsewhere.
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM
I wish one of the candidates would have point out the nexis between illegal immigration and identity theft. Something tells me McCain doesn’t include the identiy thieves in his count of illegals who committed crimes. For crying out loud, he wanted to reward them for that fraud with social security benefits. That was a huge opening for Romney and/or Fred and they missed it.
Spolitics on January 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Hey FOX, here is an idea, INTERVIEW FRED!
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM
“My dear friend” (vomits)
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Don’t waste your time here, just go join the 3% rEVOLution
The Ritz on January 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM
I hate McCain but he is biatch slapping Alan Colmes
Big Orange on January 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM
A cat can have kittens in the oven but that don’t make’m bicuits!
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Colmes fears FRED
Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM
McCain looked pissed that he lost the focus group… “I respect those people”….lol.
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM
This isn’t a campaign for Messiah, it’s for POTUS. There was only one perfect man in history, and look what they did to him…
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Rudy won!
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Why? So he can complain about how they are “biased against him”…
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM
You like mandates?
As far as CFR goes, Fred supported it because of his history of going after crooks and corruption. He admitted it did not work as he’d hoped and that it must be changed.
Connie on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Ain’t that the truth.
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
McCain can talk all he wants about security, Ill never forgive him for his support of Shamnesty.
jpsc1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
They’re going to interview all of them….right?
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I like about 60% of McCain for just such occasions
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
When did you get here? I’ve been hating on RuPaul all night.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
FRED WON! PLEASE VOTE FRED, SC!!!!!!! I will DEFINITELY vote for Fred in the GA Primary.
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
When I was little and used to try to annoy my Dad he’d say, “Keep campaigning and you’re gonna get elected.”
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Donate To RUDY!
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Fred’s truck is still going up. I keep getting a higher amount when I hit refresh. Could be a very good sign in regards to this debate.
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I so depressed. Just got home and Tivo failed me! Is there video of the entire debate anywhere????
GO FRED!!!
azcop on January 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I like that one. Good one, Dad!
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM
What, you haven’t followed the Ronulans of to their parallel universe yet?
The Ritz on January 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Romney didn’t help himself tonight, I think.
Is there a Michigan debate?
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Put down the crackpipe
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Ron Paul got more time than Fred, you do the math.
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Yes, I love mandates. The kind of mandates that make people (that can afford it) pay for their own healthcare instead of mooching off of the taxpayer. Yeah, I like mandates a lot.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I’ve been trying to find out how many registered Republicans the Arizona GOP lost last year on his account, I know it’s a pretty good number.
Funny, that “sheriff” thing, ask Arpaio (’America’s Toughest Sheriff’) sometime what he thinks about that, lol.
Shay on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Great line, Mitt! “The older I get, the smarter Ronald Reagan gets!”
AMEN!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Lol very nice
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Okay..I liked this:
“The older I get, the smarter Reagans gets.”
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
In your case, methamphetamine won.
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I guess that tells us a lot about Fred’s priorities.
Very disappointing and pretty much overshadows the rest of his performance.
MB4 on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Yeah he’s really good at that. That backhand he gives you while he smiles!
Big Orange on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
RuPaul/Imadinnerjacket ‘08
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I already voted Fred out here in Cali , I had to write him in as im an independent {because of the gop trying to sell me out to shamnesty }
Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Fox will replay it tonight.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Fred just hit $540k
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
The Luntz group, and most of the commenters here, disagree.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Mitt looks like Jeff Flake tonite.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Indeed. I’ll give him that
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
If he took on McCain, I would be more inclined to support him.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Fred did good. I’m proud. Now we’ll see how this plays out over the next few days.
I’m thinking he’ll start getting rock star treatment in a few areas down there, y’all…
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Listen to J.D.’s radio show after Hannity here in Phoenix… nonstop McCain hate.
Blue collar Phoenix has been choked to death by the wage drop McCain’s corporate buddies instituted thanks to their illegal plantation labor. I was lucky enough to get a jo at a reputable warehouse that doesn’t hire illegals.
Everyone else is SOL until we kill this sanctuary city policy.
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Text to 36288 R6
Out vote the Paulbots!!
Big Orange on January 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Hey, CS if you mow through this – Mitt just gave love to Reagan. THAT makes me happy:)
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Freaking sweet! GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL!!!
GO FRED!
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Yes you do.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Anyone have a link to the Luntz doodle thingie? Is it on the intrawebs yet?
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I love it when you talk Southerner. :)
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Oh yes, he earned his press today.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Looks like Thompson is batting clean-up on H&C.
They know he’s the big draw and want to make sure we stay on the channel as long as possible.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I hope so….It is not listed to replay on the guide menu for my DirecTv.
azcop on January 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Friggin’ AWESOME!
He was less than 100K down the last time I checked this afternoon. That is just amazing, though. In such a short time.
AP! New thread!
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM
What happened to Rudy G.??? I was never one of his supporters, but he used to be pretty good at these debates. He was just plain lousy tonight.
LegendHasIt on January 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Anyone else notice that when Fred put the $540k number next to the truck, he also asked for 50,000 new friends?
The 50,000 has been removed.
(or am I late on noticing that?)
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Aw, shucks, ma’am… tweren’t nuthin’… (gosh)
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM
I live in Charlotte (right on the SC border) and McCain has a lot of support with the old folks and vets in Fort Mill and Rock Hill (big retirement communities). So far the only guy I’ve seen around is Romney. He spoke at a hotel to the Mecklenburg GOP (NC, but right on the border).
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Look for Fred to be big at the RNC this year. I think maybe he has been playing this like a slingshot: hold it back, hold it back, hold it back……. SCHWINNNNNG!!!!
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I just sent Fred 50 bucks
pappy on January 10, 2008 at 10:53 PM
You know he’s faking it right…Boys a yankee…
doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Fred may have left McCain alone because he already chose to beat on Huck. How would it have looked if he punked everyone on stage?
Of the two, I’d rather he punk Huck. Everyone knows McCain is a gasbag piece of crap not worth Fred!s presidency-worthy breath.
Rudy needs another bump.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:54 PM
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