Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!
posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?
Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?
Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.
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“My name is Mike Huckabee. I like poor people and Mexican children.”
RSU Rules!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
More Hucksmoke makin’ me ill – 9 point policy my ass
The Ritz on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Agreed, I wanted blood.
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Yep, they’re going to self deport because a President named “Huckabee” told them to.
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
You’re kidding, right? “High fences and wide gates” is a response to aspire to? Fred said nothing about the illegals here already, just gave platitudes about sanctuary cities.
Fred has never been an immigration stalwart, and his weak answer proved it.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
nothin’ like f’n up a good site with wide open registration.
thank you allah, michelle, bryan.
sunny on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Until he had to add that shot at Iraq in there…
MrSteve on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
They sure all get it now. Enforce the Boders!
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Huck is right. Most Hispanics I know are the strongest supporters of tough border control. Especially 1st generation folks who waited in line and did it legally.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
“They have to live in the light, not the darkness…..”
*puke*
Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Yes, they SHOULD be afraid of a poice car.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
I’m weeping for the illegals. Where’s my kleenex?
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
“Nine-point policy…”
…zzzzzzzz
Graybark on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Huck just lost the Hispanic vote.
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Wow, Huck just won the “Democrat Among Us” award for the evening.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
He didn’t create the policy. He ctrl-C then ctrl-v true conservative plans after he realized he was weak on the issue.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Huck pretends like he’s been for enforcing the borders all along. What a f’n liar.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Fred + crowbar = Huck with bleeding head wound.
Give him one more shot.
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Huckabee’s right. My church is almost 100 percent Hispanic, and my workplace is Hispanic in large majority. They listen to talk radio (Rush and Hannity are big in Phoenix) and they say things about illegal immigrants that makes my ears burn. Absolute moral authority, I guess.
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Oklahoma has one of the toughest laws: no renting to illegals, no hiring illegals, and deportation is occurring by attrition. In other words, they’re self-deporting. That’s a fantastic idea!
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM
watch Rudy’s poll numbers drop in Florida
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I think So. Carolinians are gonna like the cut of Fred’s jib.
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
Huck is tanking
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Terrible isn’t it? Only Fred and Mitt can hit him on it and Fred hits him with a feather when he even brings it up.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I’m so tired of the Rudy-immigrants-reporting-crime-to-the-police question. This is old ground.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Right on.
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Well, I meant to say the first part of his answer was right, about legal immigrants opposing illegal immigration. He ended with crappy, weird platitudes about togetherness.
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Sanctuary cities says alot. Fred would send them home, but didnt want to alienate the legitimate hispanic base…not a bad manuever if you ask me.
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Don’t know who or what you’re talking about, but this sounds like most of the guys on this stage on a lot of issues.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Oh Rudy…..bad, bad, bad.
“Hi I’m Rudy. I ran a sanctuary city.”
70,000 illegal immigrant children? These kids have to have parents, Rudy. It should have been really easy.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
BK ain’t listening:’Go after the employers’ is exactly the right way to go. Reducing the jobs available to them will reduce the illegal population
michaelo on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Debate has gone over time…
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Btw. 1600+ Comments WTF MATE!
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Rudy is pandering directly to the illegal invaders.
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Sorry, Rudy… but even children of illegals should not be allowed to go to school here. Send them back to Pres. Calderon to be schooled there so that we quit sending Mexico billions of dollars to support their weak economy.
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
SHUT UP RUDY
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
This is why Fred MUST win. He can solve the problems we face as a nation. Nobody else up there can do it.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Fred said the biggest part of the problem will be solved by attrition. Illegals are already leaving because of this, so he is correct.
Connie on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Wow, that was abrupt.
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
STFU, Rudy. Really.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
OK Rudy……….
Cheater.
Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Na…na…na…say…hey…goodbye…to Rudy
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
FRED WINS!!!!!
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:34 PM
It’s over? What about healthcare?
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Rudy….Thank you. That’s enough. Shut the fark up! Rudy, you’re not helping your cause.
Hello?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Fred did good.
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Rudy really talked it up… about nothing in particular, I think.
Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Fred didn’t take his chance to swat McCain, neither did Mitt. This could be bad…
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
McCain won this debate for one reason: No one…touched…McCain…in illegal immigration…in SC. How can that possibly be?
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
I wanted to see Fred! shake Huckyboy’s hand!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
What Rudy just said he did is the DEFINITION of Sanctuary City.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Fred wins.
jpsc1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
But what isf the criminal has kids? Let him go?
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
My first debate. Not bad.
baldilocks on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
GOOD JOB FRED!!!!!!!!!!!!
P. James Moriarty on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
good night all was fun :D
Welcome to the New folks!
1600 comments! yay!
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
None swept me off my feet.
Entelechy on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
That was a good answer from Rudy on one of his weaker issues.
phronesis on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Fred!!
stlpatriot on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Rudy lives up to expectations about as well as the Matrix sequels. Ugh.
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
well paul got a pass on the newsletter flap
jp on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Nah… he’s HIS-pandering.
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Good answer there Rudy on Immigration. Hard to imagine him to come off well on that, but he did. Kudos.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
I wonder who Sean will have on first? I can’t imagine!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
nothin’ like f’n up a good site with wide open registration.
thank you allah, michelle, bryan.
sunny on January 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
hey, that’s me!
and thanks!
stefanite on January 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Luntz!
salmonczar on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Maybe I misunderstood Fred’s answer. It seemed to me that he was saying this problem can be first dealt with indirectly by enforcing the border and encouraging legal immigration. Yea, he didn’t say anything specific about those in this country now. So I cede the point.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Fred won. Hands down.
Oh Luntz, again?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
BTW – that stupid Carl Cameron SUV and the broadcasts from the rear seat, really set my teeth on edge..
Ugly on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Luntz looks like a DMV employee.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Oh god…that texting crap again. Cue the RuPaul spammers.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
1 – Mitt
2t – Fred
2t – Huck
4 – Rudy
5 – McCain
6 – Paul
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Fred dominated this debate….
doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Luntz: Fred Wins.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
FRED
FRED
FRED
FRED
FRED
FRED
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
YES!!!!
Connie on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
YAY FRED!!!!!
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Holy shit…Thompson wins focus group! FINALLY! Congratulaitons all you Fredheads!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
HOLY COW (at the hands raised in Luntz’s focus group for Fred winning the debate)
Graybark on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
they like him they like him!!!
stlpatriot on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
McCain and Huck currently lead the race. Neither of them have exactly stellar records on immigration.
amerpundit on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
FRED WINS THE LUNTZ GROUP!!!
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Fred should have looked like this three months ago. I hope it’s enough… he sure left his buddy McCain untouched.
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Fred won the debate, according to the Luntz group. Amazing. Well, not amazing to me, but just amazing that we get to see it.
Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Luntz’ focus group is saying Fred won. Boy I hope that is representative.
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
wow, focus group is full of Fredplants
The Ritz on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Even the focus group overwhelmingly thought Fred! kicked butt.
YAY!
LegendHasIt on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Focus group liked Fred.
Hope it holds true for the voters.
Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
ADVANTAGE- Thompson
Mccain was avtually good, but started off badly with the global warming love…
Mitt…not bad at all good form, my 2nd choice.
Rudy- Obviously tired and struggling
Huckster- Huckster and Carteresque
Ron Paul- Out in Left field.
GO FRED GO!
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
FREDALANCHE!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m beside myself with glee. Beside myself!
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
FRED PWNED will be sending another 50$ to fred next week
Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
I predict Ron Paul wins in a landslide. :-)
amerpundit on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Fred came alive for once. Shows you what not boring the hell out of people can do for you. Are the Fredheadss now going to say Fred caved to soundbite culture or call this part of his “brilliant strategy.”
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:37 PM
As long as the media’s analysis is Fred won the debate and this is their drumbeat, then it won’t all be for naught.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Fukking A Fred wins!
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Amanda you’re stupid!
The Ritz on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
WHAT FOX NEWS DOESN’T WANT YOU TO HEAR:
THE OFFICIAL SITE
HERITAGE
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Did some woman just say that FRED is not the serious one?
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Aren’t the people in SC more attractive than NH? Just sayin!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Yeah. Fred rocked tonight!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
msnbc says FRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
sunny on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 PM
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