Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!
posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?
Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?
Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.
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If Fred listens to the Mark Levin show, he has all the ammo he needs to really punk McCain.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:25 PM
If you know how to secure the borders, then WHY DIDN’T YOU DO IT?
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:25 PM
there is no “walls” thanks to Kay Baily Hutchinson
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
OK, Fred. Now is the time to smack McLame.
The bill failed because it was amnesty. AMERICANS DON’T LACK TRUST AND CONFIDENCE. WE WANT THE LAW ON THE BOOKS FOLLOWED.
OH…..JMac is flip-flopping on his position. Oh boo hoo.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
He just motivated the people that he needs to turn out and vote for him if he’s going to win SC.
I’m not a fan of his, but he hit that one out of the park.
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Cause there are so many illegals married to missing in action soldiers.
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
McCain’s base rallying is falling on deaf ears.
And, he’s WAY over.
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
The moderators have specifically directed several questions to the Paulnut, more than his share because Paul keeps getting to respond to others also.
maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Never blame your constituents for your bs, McVain.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
yep, with the marching Paulbots behind him, reeking of pot smoke.
give me a break…
dean_acheson on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Rick Santorum told Hugh Hewitt that McCain was one of the strongest voices behind closed doors about addressing immigration. For the love of pete, someone call him on it.
Graybark on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
There will always be exceptions, McCain, but you are rewarding ALL of them!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
all 12-20 million are criminals mclame you tool
Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Here he goes with the wounded soldier/illegal wife story..again
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Since when did you care about securing the borders, Mr. McCain/Kennedy?
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
No John, you ARE the problrm. I am from your state and I do not trust YOU. I ‘ll never vote fot you. Read my lips, no amnesty.
SIJ6141 on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
McCain – why should we believe you?
And I demand a personal apology for the vindictives you hurled at me this summer.
What an ass.
Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
McCain=flip flop
jpsc1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Yeah, you do come from a border state! And you are KILLING our state! Phoenix Republicans ARE SICK of John McCain! Don’t pull the Arizona card, buddy.
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Please let Fred hit cleanup.
Mitt is now punking Paul almost out of reflex.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
If Fred can get “McCain,” “Graham” and “are you stupid?” in the same comment, he wins.
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Let’s not call it deportation. Let’s call it playing fair. In elementary school, you weren’t allowed to skip the line. If you did, you were sent to the back.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM
(strongest voices AGAINST strict immigration policies)
[meant to say]
Graybark on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
If Fred listens to the Mark Levin show, he has all the ammo he needs to really punk McCain.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Great point unamused!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Go Romney!
stefanite on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
McCain: “we will secure the borders, and I know how to do that”
Then why didn’t you do it the first time around?
The Ritz on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
McShamnesty. man he is stammering and lookin’ old.
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Seconded.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
I really hope Huckabee goes next and Thompson steps up to the plate..
henzou on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Since it was the hot trend on the catwalks of Milan.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Stand tall, Mitt. La Raza is already forming their press release.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
BORDER!
McCain’s supposed concern is humane and compassionate, extended his talking time.
Romney directed next.
WHY NOT ASK FRED!!!!?
maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Whoa Mitt on illegals GTFO!
sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Romney gets applause for putting the illegals back in line.
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
if they are standing in line while living in the US – it’s a special pathway.
Go home, now, and file the proper paperwork.
Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
I say all 12 Million folks get out NOW… then we’d be at 0% unemployment!
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Score Mitt!
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
High fences and wide gates… go Fred!
silverfox on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
I hope Fred mentions what Oklahoma has done.
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
High fences and wide gates! GO Fred!
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Fred’s glib statements are a turn off. Especially right there.
lorien1973 on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Fred’s got the right plan!
TheBigOldDog on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
SECOND LOOK AT MITT for the shot at Paul. Good answer Mitt
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
how can you find them ????
start by looking in the parking lot of home depot
Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
LOL….if a candidate can get nasty press from La Raza and CAIR, they would be the automatic nominee.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
That’s great Fred. And the 12 million people who are now past our nonexistent high fences and wide gates? Hello?
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Fred! Preach it! No sanctuary cities!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
uh oh…sanctuary cities…
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Mitt’s response was great. Fred’s looked poor in comparison.
lorien1973 on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Mitt wants to deport all 12M? Wow.
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
YES, FRED! NO MORE SANCTUARY CITIES! “If you continue with sanctuary cities,” we’ll cut off federal spending!
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
McCain says: I know how to secure the border because my state has the most porous borders in the nation. wtf?
pappy on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Go Fred! Beat McLame and Huck!
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I think McCain is confusing loss of confidence in the Government with loss of confidence in him.
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Mitt’s looking at Fred thinking “This is what I’ll say next time.”
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Did Fred say he AGREED with McCain?!
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Thompson provides a realistic yet tough view: attrition through enforcement. John McCain provides pie-in-the-sky promises that would die like the border fence when he got elected.
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Fred is right.
Enforcement by attrition not only takes care of enforcement but the logistics of mass deportation.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Hitting Huck again, Go Fred!
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
That’s it, Fred. Smack Huck and Rudy. And McAmnesty.
What ya gonna do when the Fredamania runs wild on you!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Ha, Fred v Huck again! Terrific!
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Hi, my name is clean up hitter, and I just hit a grand slam!!!!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Get’em Fred!!
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Oh Fred, that was weak.
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
CUT OFF FEDERAL FUNDING to S. Cities. I believe enforcement by attrition will work.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
God bless you Fred, but this isn’t the time for UH… UH… UH…
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
He He He! Freds pulling a Ron Paul! Keep on going Fred!
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Let’s go back to the Operation Wetback days. Fred’s enforcement by attrition will work. It has worked before.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
“My friend, Governor Huckabee”
I’ll see you outside. By the carousel on the strand after the debate.
Love,
Fred.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
FRED lays it down. Nicely done.
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Paul has a point. But Fred already addressed that.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
wow – border, employers and sanctuary cities.
GO FRED!
Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I bet Stormfront ties this in to chopping Government programs left and right.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
There is a difference between law biding legal immigrants
and illegals hopping the fence!
canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Good answer Fred.
Poorly delivered.
Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Oh really? Yet these 12 million people manage to show up in day-job labor centers for illegal work. Oh, yeah… forgot about the “community” clinics, too.
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Good job Fred. Way to take back a little of the time they’ve denied you too. You have to ‘take’ a little in these debates or they will just ice you out.
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I keep hearing “Fred vs. Huck”, but is he taking down McCain, too?
amerpundit on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I’m Ron Paul and why am I here?
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
What the hell is Ron Paul saying? He’s wondering again.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
CROCK
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Someone shoot me.
RP just said something that didn’t make my head spin
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Wow, Ron Paul gives a good answer.
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Way to hit the economics of i.immigration. Nicely done Paul.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Ron doesn’t understand posse comitatus.
lorien1973 on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Define ‘border guard,’ Paul, you doofus.
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Right on Fred.
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
FRED!
Individual case study out of the question, Mitt!
FENCE THE BORDER
ENFORCE
EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY
Utilize best technology info network
No funding to renegade cities
McCain policy wrong, disagrees with John.
maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Fred was good, but he was rushing at the end. The answer wasn’t strong enough to turn heads. He only received polite applause.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Surely this one is going to give Ferd a big boost??
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
I guess you dont listen, he said by attrittion. And it would work.
broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
It’s currently working in Georgia and other states that have implemented it.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Attrition by work enforcement is already working in Az. Fred did good, but having trouble with the time restraints.
mustang1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Paul does remind me of Marshall Applewhite with the voice of Fifel the Mouse.
BLAME IRAQ, PAUL
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Blind squirrel theory in effect.
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
He didn’t hit McCain hard enough…and McCain will leave another debate with out anyone hitting on, not just how bad the legislation was, but how it was brought about, and how McCain was working in the shadows to force a bill through. Dang it Fred!
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Great answer from Ron Paul
MrSteve on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Oh geez Huck.
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM
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