Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!
posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?
Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?
Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.
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Platitudes from Fred…
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM
We need a lot more reform in education other than vouchers. The ONE issue I agree with RuPaul on. Get rid of gov’t presence in education. Private schools on the free markets.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Rudy, wake up, your turn.
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Fred, Romney, and McCain are doing well tonight. Huckster looks and sounds lost/flustered, Giuliani hasnt struck a chord yet, and Ron Paul is a goofball.
The Hayekian on January 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Paul has been eating too much time.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10,2008 at 10:07PM.
Spirit of 1776: I agree,someone needs to ask RP a really
good question so he can push the button
to ungluedville!
canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Heh. Love it.
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Whooo, CINC questions. Huck and Paul better hide behind their podiums.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Fred may be waiting on immigration to hit McShamnesty.
broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
I want one of those Luntz dial thing doodles!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Guiliani causes drink gamers to die.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
C’mon Rudy, punch him in the cookies!
OH SNAP, he turns “change” against the changesters!!!!
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Belly? Check.
Fire? Check.
Fred!
SimplyKimberly on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Huck’s answer made no real sense, when you get down to it. What role does the Governer have in a federal law enacted to reform federal institutions?
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Lol, funny line Rudy.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Rudy: There’s good change, and there’s bad change. Then there’s pocket change.
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Yeah, that last Fred exchange wasn’t too inspiring. But I still give him the lead in the debate overall.
Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
I’m seriously waiting for someone to respond to the change question with a simple: “Yes, I have change for your dollar”
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Huck thinks the government doesn’t need any more money.
Huck raises: hope, expectation, promises for future, hope, health care, roads TOLL ROADS?, quality of life, education. We’re in heaven already.
FRED!
Huck won’t keep his tax pledge consistently.
Fred’s record IS consistent.
Fred PRO-LIFE and GREAT JUDGES!
Fred acknowledges political coalitions in
rule of law
market economy
no heavy tax burden
RESPOND TO RESPONSIBILITY
maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
OI Vey change oughta yer pockets Yuk Yuk yuckity Yuck….
oh my sides are aching RUdy /Sarc
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
How many more questions will Ron Paul get tonight? LOL…they are shutting him out of the debate right now.
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Yes, but going after the voucher issue is a way to sour the Homeschool Evangelicals towards Huck.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
G trying to toot his horn now, stuttering a lot doing it too.
P. James Moriarty on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Rudy dithered way too long there, before ever getting to the question.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Me too! Me too!!
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
The “Change out of pocket” Rudy was talking about.
Entelechy on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
That shoud be about 6 beers I have to drink just because of Rudy.
jpsc1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Oh no. Rudy and the Saudi Prince again. Enough!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Here comes the 9/11 money quote!! HA HA HA
heatherrc77 on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Rudy: All the big-name dictators hate me
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Its like dodgeball and Fred is the 14 y/o 4th grader…Huck’s goin’ down.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Rudy 9/11 I helped isr9/11ael!
broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I wonder if Huck supporters are switching back to their favorite televangelists.
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I just realized I was watching the live ‘tivo’ of this… so all of my comments probably seem a little (lot) late. D’oh.
Ugly on January 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Ditto!
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Stormfront ran crying back to Rockwell and Duke and got out their white hoods and hankies.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Yep…you called it
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
True. But it is Fred doing something. It’s a sign of life from him punking Rino’s. I’ll take it either way, esp so with Huck.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
“Led the largest squadron”
That’s a lie, right?
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
McCain: I’ve been around forever
NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
BlahBlahBlahBlahBlahBlahBlahMilitary serviceBlahBlahBlahBlah
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
SECOND LOOK AT LUNTZ DIAL THING DOODLES!
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Uh hey Rudy Fred was the head of numerous committees. That put him in a decision making position.
sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Only 6K to go!
P. James Moriarty on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Rudy NEGOTIATED with other governments over illegal immigration–so spill the beans, Rudy. What came of it?! Better security for us, or not!
maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
John, I’m pretty sure most people know you were in the Navy.
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Huck is a Saudi sheik on women’s rights.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Well, your the Jesus candidate Huck.
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Did I hear that right? From McCain… “I led the largest squadron in Navy History.” ???
LegendHasIt on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Off limits?! YOU’RE THE SELF-DESCRIBED CHRISTIAN LEADER!
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
WTF does that mean???????????????????????
sunny on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
You open the door to the religious questions Huck!
kc2ige on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Oh yeah, douschebag. Romney kills babies in their temple, but I get asked all the tough questions.
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
I hope nobody else “knows” his wife….
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Stop whining Huck, you’re the one that brings up religion every 2 seconds.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
yeah…. Only HUCK gets the religious questions BLEH
/sarc
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Everyone asks Huck the religious questions? He brings it up every 4th sentence.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
In the amount of time it took to type that, Obama probably got 50k.
yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Oh, stop with the pass the plate crap!!!!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
AW SHUCKS HUCK, yer so folksy!!!!
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Huck get hits in “servant leadership” question, then whines that religious questions are directed his way.
Remember Romney, you religious demagogue? Oh right you didn’t attack him by name, you slime.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Yeah, I bet Huck is p*whipped.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
“I have respect for everyone on this stage except for Ron Paul…..”
What I wish McCain would have said.
Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Huck on female submission to HIM.
maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
The “not for profits but for patriotism”? He used that last debate. He probably spent a really long time coming up with that line so he’s going to use it every chance he gets.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
If you run as an evangelist, the religion questions are fair.
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
The pro-life movement isn’t going to grow unless we welcome new people.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Ick..
heatherrc77 on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Oh gawd when all else fails and you get a beat down from a southerner, run back to the evangelicals.
broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
rofl
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
It is true. His squadrn was the largest at the time he led it.
*********************
Huck: Always ask me the religious question.
Audience: Wooo! I’m religious too! (Brain turns off)
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Pracice Huck? What about lying.
sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Oh no, Huck just a pass to preach…
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Now Huck is scoring points with Evangelicals, repairing whatever damage Fred has done on the other issues.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Good lord, Huck. This isn’t Sunday school.
zzzZZzzZzZZZZzzzzz
Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
SECOND LOOK AT SUBMISSION!
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
am I the only one who sees a stark difference between GWB’s faith and Huck’s ram it down everybody’s throat?!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
If FOX News was trying to dent Huckabee with that question, all they did was make his base swoon. He did a good job with it.
Graybark on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Not female submission, spousal submission. Huck’s correct here.
baldilocks on January 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Hucks wife is going to run the whitehouse!!! Oh well, hillary did for 8 years you know, Bill was..uhummm…busy, yeah that it.
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Governor Huckabee, do you realize that you’re making me want to leave the church?
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I’m about to speak in tongues here! GLORY!
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Freds not going to attack John McCain, ever, Fred feels John through his service in the defense of the country has earned the right to say whatever he wants, wherever he wants
Fred just relies on the American people to eventually make the correct decision
EricPWJohnson on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Ohhh, I missed the Huck thing…..slowwwwwness.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Now I don’t think I need to go to Sunday school this weekend. I just go my lesson.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Huck loves SUBMISSION. That explains why he wants to apply the Golden Rule to Iran.
phronesis on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Carl for the win!
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Marriage teaches us how to love? Don’t you have to love to marry? I’m so confused.
Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
LOL Do you have any!!!
broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Paul + electability = big laughs
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Cameron Rocks!!!!!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
HECK YES CARL. Are you viable?
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I heart Carl so much.
salmonczar on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Hear, hear sir.
kc2ige on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
“Do you have any [viability], sir?
LOL OWN!
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Damn it. Huck is earning FV cred.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Did Huck just give a sermon???
heatherrc77 on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
BEER SPRAY!!!!!!!!
Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
cheap shot by Carl to Huck…funny question to Ron Paul
spacekicker on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
do you have any electability, sir? HAH!
lorien1973 on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Cute little sermon Huck
MrSteve on January 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM
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