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Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!

posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?

Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?

Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.


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Israel would like nothing better than to put their boots ankle-deep in arab ass. And they would if not for fear of how we would react.

unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Did Huck look a little shocked, or was that just me?

yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Fred: Huck, shut up and go get me a beer.

RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

LOL Exactly…

Strong answer, Fred

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Rudy pro-Israel, yes. Then Rudy’s the echo chamber on Pak.

maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Ron is a federalist…

He sounds like a nut because he does not sound like the other democrats on stage.

afterdarknesslight on January 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Be gone, Paulbot! ((((Waves Wand))))

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Fred: Huck, shut up and go get me a beer.

RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Love it.

Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Hey Ron, where do you think most of our intelligence comes from in the Middle East? Terror attack strikes? Where do you think a lot of our special forces training comes from?

MOSSAD

broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

do the rest of you have to click refresh to get the latest posts?

allrsn on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Fred, you’re confusing Huck again.

Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

BTW…the former PM …I forgot his name…going google…Sharon. Is he still alive?

lsutiger on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Rudy and Fred both sounded brilliant after Ron and Huck.

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Did Huck go to the Joe Biden school of foreign policy?

kc2ige on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Fred has never gone after other candidates in his answers as much as he is now, esp. Huck. This is a shift, and I hope it plays out well. Personally I love it.

Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Fred! depants’ Huckster…………again.

omnipotent on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Rudy was full of platitudes… I’ve been to Israel, he says. Good for you Mr. Mayor.

afterdarknesslight on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Break time – and everyone groups and talks to each other. Except RP. Over there by himself, sipping water, and wondering when long knife questions finally come out…

Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Did Huck look a little shocked, or was that just me?

yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:02 PM

It wasn’t just you.

darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Hi..my name is Fred Thompson and I approved this ad…Huck..you’re an idiot on foreign policy!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

AP we have a Paulbot, someone take him out

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Ron is a federalist…

He sounds like a nut because he does not sound like the other democrats on stage.

afterdarknesslight on January 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

He sounds like he’s nuts because he’s is nuts. This isn’t 1785, in 2007. You can’t live in the past.

Vincenzo on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Fred just needs to kick their collective balls up between their shoulders.

RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Fred, you’re confusing Huck again.

Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

I doesn’t take much to confuse Huck. “Where’s Pakistan again?”

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Ron is a federalist…

He sounds like a nut because he does not sound like the other democrats on stage.
afterdarknesslight on January 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Fixed that for you.

ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

afterdarknesslight on January 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

He sounds like a nut because he’s a nut. See: Ron Paul newsletter.

amerpundit on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

What are the odds that Fred dealt a real blow to Huck? Slim to none?

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Ok peeps…who won round 2…other than Brit?!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Fred’s definately on a roll, geeze, he’s pwn’n anyone that looks at him…

GO FRED!!

stlpatriot on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

BEST. DEBATE. SO. FAR. BY. A. LONG. SHOT.

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Coming back from break will be live shot of Huck on the ground with Freds left leg lifted peeing on him..

broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

I had to replay it but it was funny to watch Rudy run away from Paul at the break

Rawhide on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Let’s face it, the only way Fred is going to get any media play from this debate is if he brings a liberal on stage in a headlock and takes a mongo southern-style crap on his head.

unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

OK, who needs the Cialis? My guess…..NOT FRED!!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Fred has Huck on the ropes with the rebutal on Afganistan. Hit hard Fred. Body shots Fred body shots, next go up stairs for the knock out. Huck is so weak on foriegn policy as for Fred what can I say. Fred is very strong on foriegn policy.

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

I knew Paul was stupid, I didn’t know it runs this deep. God what an idiot. He is a dem.

Big Orange on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Ron Paul———treat Israel like an adult?wtf.

canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Bookmark this page and pass it around… it’s Thompson pounding Huckabee as being a Democrat. http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/01/fox-news-south-carolina-republican.html

Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

With Rudy and Mitt skipping SC, and Huck’s base being the “social conservative” voters, Fred has to beat Huck into the ground. Fred makes him look foolish, and suddenly Fred might actually have a chance of hoping to win this thing. I think such a strategy counts as at least rudimentary belly-fire.

Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Fred is looking good! He needs a few more slap downs!

kcd on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

I’d have to give the second quarter to Fred on points.

Christoph on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Change question, whats up Mitt?

“Nope.” Heh.

BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

OK, who needs the Cialis? My guess…..NOT FRED!!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Fred produces Cialis.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

FRED THOMPSON WAS THE ONE WHO STRONGLY DEFENDED THE REAL NEED TO KEEP PAKISTAN STABLE.

Watch the boys jump on Fred’s truck as though they could ever BE the Fred.

maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

“Lizard’s Thicket”? Is that dirty?

ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

It’s time for change!!!

kc2ige on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

I doesn’t take much to confuse Huck. “Where’s Pakistan again?”

Yes, I asked him that the other day. It’s on the east border of Venezuela.

Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Lizard’s Thicket…memories! Good ol’ country cookin’! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Let’s face it, the only way Fred is going to get any media play from this debate is if he brings a liberal on stage in a headlock and takes a mongo southern-style crap on his head.

unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

You owe me a new laptop…beer…everywhere! bwahhahahha

heatherrc77 on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

do the rest of you have to click refresh to get the latest posts?

allrsn on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

I do. But I’m electronically challenged.

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

foreign (sp)

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Anybody got CHANGE for $100?

Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Not Change again.

ChartreuseDragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Come on, Mitt.. naming local restaurants won’t score you points in the south.. (I know, I’m in Atlanta)

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Fred needs to punch Huck in the face and roll him off stage.

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Ok peeps…who won round 2…other than Brit?!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Fred…twice…

doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

kc2ige on January 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM

LOL you know its a public school

Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

I have blonde hair..what does pwn’n mean?

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

The force is strong with Fred.

No, the Force is Fred.

RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Fred still isn’t getting enough questions…he’s having to jump in to get a word in edgewise.

AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Fred needs to throw the stiff arm here. He has the table set.

Big Orange on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

We used to be a party of strict constitutionalists… no more?

Every one of them wants to spend your money on stuff they ought not.

wake up

afterdarknesslight on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

“They say”

Consider the fact that “they” are liberal media networks and pollsters, I wouldn’t put too much stock in what “they say”.

“Change” is the new drinking word.

unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Mitt’s the first one to check the Immigration box. So, are we going there in this debate?

fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

I’m so sick of the word “change” or the phrase “agent of change.” Isn’t that what you do to a diaper?

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

I’m so sick of Romney’s “turn things around” speech…..

henzou on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

stop with the Olympics already

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Fred’ll never get elected because he won’t let the media pick on him.

yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I hope Fred spreads the “love” in McCain’s direction. After all, he is one leading in SC right now.

Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Come on, Mitt.. naming local restaurants won’t score you points in the south.. (I know, I’m in Atlanta)

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:06 PM

I dunno, I love it when Yanks visit and rave about food they’ve never seen before…

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Ding, ding and “change”… three drinks!

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I think Mitt just got my vote

lsutiger on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Mitt needs a change.

afterdarknesslight on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

he’s having to jump in to get a word in edgewise.

Paul has been eating too much time. Everyone is targeting him and then reacting. Eating up Fred and Mitt’s time so far.

Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Luntz focus group “They were mean to Huck Im voting for him, Hallelujah”

broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Fred is the force made man.

McCain is a fart made man.

unamused on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

So far, it looks like Fred is pulling out the stops.

canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

“Change” made it – where is “Hope”?

Entelechy on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

That was such a loaded question, Mitt’s a jerk, how does that make you feel?

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

The change question merely allows the candidates to list their accomplishments and qualifications, which is all they’ve been doing in the past few debates.

darii on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

McZzzzz just isn’t funny.

Bless his heart.

yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

republican principles? What? Who? Where?

al sends

afterdarknesslight on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Who the hell keeps laughing?

Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Luntz focus group “They were mean to Huck Im voting for him, Hallelujah”

broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

The Hillary Factor.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Mitt/Fred- Fred/Mitt

jpsc1 on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I dunno, I love it when Yanks visit and rave about food they’ve never seen before…

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Nah, here in the south, we like it down and dirty like Fred’s givin’ it!

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Oh we can’t play the change game again..I got sloppy drunk after the dem debate

lsutiger on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

McCain eye wink chuckle moment. Converts to “I invented the internet surge” meme.

BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Wallace is going for Mitt’s throat! Nicer than he is on the campaign trail? WTF?

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

McCain: “I was right on Iraq, so I must be right on everything else.’

Graybark on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

FRED wins round two

Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Mc Vain talk…pause…talk…. pause
yeesh hes making good points but hes putting me to sleep!!!!

WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

It is obvious. He is part of the problem.

ChartreuseDragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Romney first, AGAIN?! Chris Wallace’s lead.

Mitt imitating Fred’s concise style.
Then the litany. “It hasn’t been done”

Oh, the CHANGE word. Mitt did not invent the Olympics. Mitt will honor the promises…CHANGE. RINO!

maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

YOu know my nickname for McCain…eyore

spacekicker on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

lsutiger on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Here too. I’m really liking mitt tonight.

lorien1973 on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

second time with “the sheriff”

phronesis on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Look out! “The Sheriff” is back in town! /sarc

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Did McCain just say he was responsible for the U.S. winning the war in Iraq?

Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

McCain mentions Abramoff again

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Fox has had a hard on for Fred from the word go, he won’t catch a break from em. He will have to take this debate, they ain’t gonna give it to him.

RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

yo on January 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Sounds like a Henry Cho joke

Talon on January 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM

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