Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!
posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?
Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?
Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.
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Please vote for the republican candidate that you like the least.
Mcguyver on January 10, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Fred is inevitable.
MadisonConservative on January 10, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Yo vote for huckabee ya know it rhymes with upchuckibee !
William Amos on January 10, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Jeri should inject Fred with some of her Botox!
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 7:58 PM
I think someone took CSDEVEN too litteral when he told Fred to go pound sand
William Amos on January 10, 2008 at 7:59 PM
McCain’s campaign manager uses macs?
Keljeck on January 10, 2008 at 8:00 PM
It would take me getting struck by lightning to support Huckaupchuck.
amerpundit on January 10, 2008 at 8:00 PM
I think the Brothers Chaps are coming after the Stuck,Stuck on Huck guy with a lawsuit.
Come on, Fhqwhgads!
see-dubya on January 10, 2008 at 8:01 PM
EASY choice Rudy!
Gatordoug on January 10, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Time to kick some butt Fred!
serenity on January 10, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Something to consider for all those who will stay home if their candidate does not get the nod. (I’m so close to being one - I’m a Fred supporter)
TALK RADIO AND THE INTERNET. The Democrats WILL try to shut down conservative radio and police the internet. That will be the end.
Also - judges! Please think long and hard and PRAY WITHOUT CEASING.
Go Fred!
stenwin77 on January 10, 2008 at 8:02 PM
the sand statues are hilarious.
zane on January 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Rudy for Homeland Security.
Mitt for EPA.
Huckabee for Surgeon General.
McCain for Veteran’s Affairs.
Petraeus for SecDef.
John Bolton for Secretary of State.
Fred for President.
silverfox on January 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM
One reason why conservatives are in the mess they are in now. That is just so low.
stenwin77 on January 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Huck for High Reverend, as one of my esteemed fellow Hot Air commenters would say.
amerpundit on January 10, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I will donate ONE TRILLION DOLLARS to Fred if he gets on that stage and just starts beating the crap out of the Huckster with a crowbar.
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 8:05 PM
ohmydearlord, 80s white rapping.
Cuffy Meigs on January 10, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Those McCain guys are very smart. John is hard-core campaigner, that’s for sure. I disagree with the statement that Huck is on the right of Fred though, unless social cons are consider far right (but that belies John’s own social con cred). I’m really starting to think he is the winner for the R ticket. With the ability for Dems and Indies to vote on the R ticket in Michigan, McCain seems the winner - the ‘none committal’ anti-Hillary vote notwithstanding.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 8:05 PM
That sand carving looks like a fat version of Lenin.
/gift to csdeven
Entelechy on January 10, 2008 at 8:05 PM
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:06 PM
I said to myself, “That sand sculpture in the picture looks nothing like Fred”. Then I looked at the picture of Fred to the left of it in the HA “Top Picks” section and almost spit my drink on the moniter.
MikeZero on January 10, 2008 at 8:07 PM
McCain is sponsoring MORE legislation with the democrats, this time with Lieberman. In a July 2007 letter to McCain, the EPA estimated the tax will be about $.26 cents per gallon of gasoline by 2030 and $.68 cents per gallon by 2050. For electricity, the EPA estimates that the McCain energy tax would increase individual’s electric bills by 22 percent in 2030 and 25 percent in 2050.
The effect on the economy of the McCain tax would be similar to any other broad-based tax. In the EPA’s own words:
The present value of the cumulative reduction in real GDP for the 2012-2030 period ranges from $660 billion to $2.1 trillion…the cumulative reduction in the present value of real GDP for the 2012-2050 period ranges from about $1.6 trillion to $5.2 trillion.
And he’s still against the Bus tax cuts.
So, let’s review: McCain is for Z-visas/amnesty (McCain Kennedy), against free speech in the most important context - our electoral process (McCain Feingold) and now wants to INCREASE the cost of energy (McCain Lieberman)
And he could be the GOP nominee????
P.S. Here’s the source:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjA0NDgzNjBlYTQ3YWZlZDFlYWZiOTFhNTRlZTM5YzU=
JustTruth101 on January 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Are we twins? I want a DNA test. LOL
Those are my thoughts exactly.
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 8:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUT2pVxAOSo
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 8:10 PM
MB4 on January 10, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Oh, I almost forgot, the Fredalanche©
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 8:11 PM
isn’t it Brit hume tonight, not Chris Wallace?
lan astaslem on January 10, 2008 at 8:12 PM
I knew I wouldn’t be the only one thinking along those lines, just tried to get it in first.
Ameripundit outdid me:
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:12 PM
What say you to the gun-grabbing and sanctuary city aspects of your guy?
Not bashing. I’d vote for him if he was the nom…but I’m not happy about the gun and illegal immigration issues with him.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Anyone have a link to where I can watch an online stream like last weekend?
Thanks.
MrSteve on January 10, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Damn dude, You’re dieing for attention, lol
stlpatriot on January 10, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Wait a tic, you forgot this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1PmqzEAo4
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 8:14 PM
MadisonConservative on January 10, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Rudy for President!
Nominate ANY Congress-Critter that would validate hillary and obama’s experience!
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 8:14 PM
And the election beat goes on and on…..
canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 8:14 PM
I thought Brit Hume was doing the commentary after the debate and Wallace was moderating.
bert169 on January 10, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Should be here, IE required.
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Rommey is on his last legs? What BS. He took in $5,000,000 yesterday. I do not think his campaign is over by a long shot. Anyone interested in other than the musings of those with little knowledge of what is really going on should slip on over to townhall.com. There is some eyeopening information available there. Last legs, huh?
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on January 10, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Rudy cut the Murder rated and Taxes in NY City when people told him he couldn’t do it..
He will also stop Illegal Immigration while people tell him that its impossible.
He has done similar impossible things before he will do it again, thats what real leaders do.
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 8:18 PM
I’d rather relegate Huck to a diplomatic post in a far away small hot place, and keep him has far as possible from “entitlements”.
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Fred Thompson better bite someone’s head off tonight…talk about your last chance to woo America.
JetBoy on January 10, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Just why do you think he’s going to stop illegal immigration when he made a sanctuary city out of NYC? The evidence doesn’t back up your claim.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:19 PM
We had better get our heads out of our asses and start getting behind Fred, Mitt or even Rudy. If it comes down to McCain or Huck then fuck it, I am tuning out and staying home.
echosyst on January 10, 2008 at 8:20 PM
I hope they kick sand in the democrats’ eyes tonight.
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Fred will not go after McCain tonight the way he is going to savage the Huckster.
The Gentlemen’s Club of the Senate, #1. And #2, Fred seems like the sort who values friendship over politics.
rick moran on January 10, 2008 at 8:20 PM
I’m stuck, stuck on huck!
lorien1973 on January 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM
That sand carving looks like a fat version of Lenin.
Entelechy on January 10,2008 at 8:05PM.
Entelechy: After looking at it again,I think your right.
canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Urge to destroy Huckabee for that lame video… rising.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 8:22 PM
I hope it’s Brit. Wallace gets sidetracked so badly with the day’s top stories. Like tonight he’d give RuPaul about 2/3 of the total time to explain his meaningless newsletters, get to Fred about a half hour in and completely ignore at least one candidate. The man cannot manage the time.
Griz on January 10, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Fred should trot his young children to show hes pro life
Fred should open his jacket and show dual holstered 45s to show is pro gun stance
Fred should show is 8 picture IDs to show he is anti amnesty
…last but no least he breaks out his bible and beats huckabee with it.
broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Thanks. Cable box took a dump last night.
Although having to use IE almost makes it not worth it.
MrSteve on January 10, 2008 at 8:23 PM
What can I say that hasn’t been said already…
All shall bow before the awesomeness of him that is known to mere mortals as Fred!
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 8:23 PM
No need, the Dems are about to engage in a serious cat fight of their own. More important to eject the impostors (St. Huck & St. John) and institute Fredalanche©
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:23 PM
That 2nd video was just flat out painful.
Not even if I was struck by lightning would I support Huck.
I’ll take care of my own soul thank you very much.
jadedlady on January 10, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Look what he did while he was on the Federal Level and what he said when he was on the Frederal Level in the Reagan Administration
FOR OVER 25 YEARS, GIULIANI HAS CALLED FOR SECURING THE BORDERS, DEPORTING ILLEGAL ALIENS
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Good lord, that was hideous. Worst.Rap.Ever.
someguy on January 10, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Bill Clinton would NOT deport the Illegal Aliens that Rudy Sent to HIM!
Rudy Was STUCK with those Illegal ALIENS!
He has to figure out what to do with them!
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM
I hope he hammers Huck, but I wish he’d at least take a few shots at JMac for being an amnesty guy.
doubleplusundead on January 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Had a momentary flash of that photo of Dick Cheney and his “gun” that made the rounds last month.
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM
You are lying.
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 8:26 PM
$5M in one day? That kind of surge sure didn’t help Ron Paul.
Money isn’t everything. He hasn’t been overwhelmingly appealing like I thought he would. I’m a Romney campaign contributor and I don’t think he’s on his last leg but I wouldn’t put too much stock in the $5M. Especially since most of it was for a general election campaign. Probably a lot of repeat donors who’ve already maxed out on the primary contributions.
MrSteve on January 10, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Hate to point it out to you, Love, but that wasn’t an executive role, so his power was nowhere near what it was as mayor and even further from the presidency.
Again, not knocking Rudy in general, but your pie-in-the-sky attitude about him seems a bit over the top. Sorry, just my opinion.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:26 PM
I don’t care if he is Jesus Christ reincarnated, He is a gun grabber.
Fredalanche©
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 8:26 PM
And you are a jerk. How’s that for personal?
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:27 PM
I hate Huck
he’s such a shmuck.
his reputation,
is in the muck
Just give him money and power is yours
send a wedding gift he’ll send you a Coors
He likes his taxes huge wide and fat
Cause Huck himself used to be like that
Now don’t ya know ya shouldn’t go
with religious demagogues.
They call on Christ to make their heist
and leave you to the dogs.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 8:28 PM
The depth of talent and wisdom on HA continually astounds me.
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:29 PM
If I am incorrect, show me where I’m incorrect. But don’t call me a liar. If you can’t be civil, don’t comment to me.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Silverfox…almost “which ya” except
Rudy for Attorney General
Mitt for Secretary of Labor
Huckabee for Congressional Chaplain
McCain for Veteran’s Affairs.
Petraeus for Homeland Security
John Bolton for Secretary of State, But only if the UN is dissolved-kicked out of the US.
Fred for President.
RedLizard64 on January 10, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Rudy saved lives in NY City, both by cutting the Murder rate and by lower the abortion rate faster than than national level..
If this isn’t Pro-Life I don’t know what is..
I want results and people demagoguing issues will never solve things.
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 8:31 PM
I’m crushed.
Now why don’t you recant your lie about NYC being a “sanctuary city” under Giuliani?
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Greek Mythology suggests that Fred Thompson is the son of Zeus…or was it the other way around?
RedLizard64 on January 10, 2008 at 8:32 PM
want results and people demagoguing issues will never solve things.
Chakra Hammer on January 10, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Then stop
stlpatriot on January 10, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Of course! You’re right! What an idiot I’ve been!
Oh, wait, um, Rudy really is a gun grabber. Hmmmm. And pro-choice. Hmmmmm. And “squishy” on illegal immigration. Hmmm.
Demagogue schmemagog.
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:34 PM
BIG DEAL, WITHOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT WHICH RUDY WOULD HAPPILY ELIMINATE YOU HAVE ZERO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS…But somehow I seriously doubt that you understand that.
doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Being constructively critical of a candidate that you would consider voting for is not demagoging. It’s being constructively critical. Don’t demagog your “demagogers”. :) We’re not on opposite sides of the fence, friend.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Great line.
Here’s hoping Fred does very well tonight. This nation cannot afford another RINO in the White House.
GO FRED, GO!
Dave R. on January 10, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Chuck, Fred. Fred, Chuck.
DingDingDingDingDing.
Editor on January 10, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Dave, unless you can actually prove that I am stating something that I KNOW to be false…stfu. I may be wrong. Point that out…don’t call me an f’n liar.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Almost 80 comments and we’re still 25 mins. from go time…
Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Apologize, you prick.
MadisonConservative on January 10, 2008 at 8:36 PM
SMACK! Ouch.
Thanks, Mad!
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Why hello beautiful fancy meeting you here… ;)
doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM
I couldn’t make it to the end of that HuckaRap video. Was it put out by his campaign?
Bad Penny on January 10, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Hiya! Great to see you here, Dorian!
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:38 PM
LagunaDavve pwn3d.
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Only pwned if he plans to come back and argue over the meaning of what a sanctuary city is.
If he apologizes, he was wrong, let’s move on. Fighting isn’t helping us.
MadisonConservative on January 10, 2008 at 8:41 PM
From Rush’s site and his show today:
petefrt on January 10, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Agreed. But it was sweet.
FWIW, I actually like Rudy, but the 3 issues I listed above leave him way down the list.
peski on January 10, 2008 at 8:43 PM
I think you know perfectly well. Giuliani cooperated fully with the Feds, with 3 exceptions:
1) Parents were not reported for sending their children to school.
2) Illegals were not reported for seeking emergency medical treatment.
3) Illegals were encouraged to report crimes against them to the police.
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Do you know what the definition of a sanctuary city is?
doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 8:46 PM
See, you lost me on those two.
Editor on January 10, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Another lie.
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 8:47 PM
And this, my friend, is where you’re right off. If I don’t know something point it out. But never assume I’m lying. There’s no point to lie to people on an anonymous site. It’s the height of presumptuousness and jackassery to automatically assume that I am lying. Go look the word up.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:47 PM
So many new posters! Have y’all gotten your papers from the Fredheads yet? Don’t forget to have them notarized…
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I won’t vote for a gun grabber regardless of his other qualities- period.
But I’m more interested in who Bloomberg hurts more if he runs a Unity party ticket for president.
Dems or Reps?
Browncoatone on January 10, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Dang, I’m already missing the fun? (ducks)
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Romney and Fred should stay in no matter what.
If it’s going to be a brokered convention we don’t want Huck or McCain holding all the bargaining chips. Romney can sweep up a large chunk of the candidates, Redstate’s done the math, and while I don’t think he can take a bunch of silvers to the general, it’s important for the movement that he be part of the process of choosing the nom.
I like MItt and Fred a lot, but my first pick is Rudy. Still think he’s got a chance to sweep on Super Tuesday, but he’s dancing on the razor’s edge.
tlclark on January 10, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Yep, if I had an ashtray, I’d already have thrown it. LOL.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 8:50 PM
So if saw someone with dark skin get hit by a car, you would make sure their papers were in order before calling an ambulance and administering first aid?
Is this what you guys mean by “enforcement through attrition”?
LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 8:50 PM
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