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The Problem with Paul Updated

posted at 11:29 am on January 9, 2008 by Bryan
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We have a little unfinished business from yesterday. Allah had the post — TNR’s James Kirchick tracked down some old Ron Paul newsletters and found them…disturbing. Now, looking over Kirchick’s work, I have to agree with Ace that the TNR scribe steals some bases by including marginal quotes that aren’t on their face racist or crazy. It was, for instance, not insane to postulate that South Africa would become a killing ground after apartheid’s end. That’s not an argument for apartheid, by the way, or for maintaining the status quo there. It was a plausible prediction based on Africa’s terrible history of tribal and racial warfare, history that continues to this day in Zimbabwe, Sudan and elsewhere. Thankfully that prediction didn’t come to pass, and history records Nelson Mandela as the main reason why. By including that kind of material along with the truly objectionable material, Kirchick suggests a whole line of topics are entering a new taboo.

But even if you weed out the marginal stuff, there’s much, much more there and it’s bad. There’s support for David Duke.

While bashing King, the newsletters had kind words for the former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke. In a passage titled “The Duke’s Victory,” a newsletter celebrated Duke’s 44 percent showing in the 1990 Louisiana Republican Senate primary. “Duke lost the election,” it said, “but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment.” In 1991, a newsletter asked, “Is David Duke’s new prominence, despite his losing the gubernatorial election, good for anti-big government forces?” The conclusion was that “our priority should be to take the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-crime, anti-welfare loafers, anti-race privilege, anti-foreign meddling message of Duke, and enclose it in a more consistent package of freedom.” Duke is now returning the favor, telling me that, while he will not formally endorse any candidate, he has made information about Ron Paul available on his website.

There’s paranoid support for the militia movement.

In January 1995, three months before right-wing militants bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, a newsletter listed “Ten Militia Commandments,” describing “the 1,500 local militias now training to defend liberty” as “one of the most encouraging developments in America.” It warned militia members that they were “possibly under BATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms] or other totalitarian federal surveillance” and printed bits of advice from the Sons of Liberty, an anti-government militia based in Alabama–among them, “You can’t kill a Hydra by cutting off its head,” “Keep the group size down,” “Keep quiet and you’re harder to find,” “Leave no clues,” “Avoid the phone as much as possible,” and “Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”

There’s veiled anti-Semitism combined with rank stupidity.

Of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, a newsletter said, “Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.”

Right. The actual perps and their motive “matters little,” except that Paul continually trots out the trope that the jihadis are motivated not by what their religion teaches them but by the fact that our troops protect their countries from other hostile countries. Surely even he can see that Mossad and al Qaeda would have different motives for attacking the US, even if he’s nutty enough to believe that Mossad would actually attack the US.

Paul’s defense of these newsletters has EVOLved over time, from the offending lines having been “taken out of context” to having been ghost-written by some unknown, not to him but to us, figure. Eric Dondero, who was Paul’s employee for years, says the ghost writer was Lew Rockwell. That’s very plausible; Paul and Rockwell are ideologically similar. Rockwell’s site is one of many online bastions for defenses of All Things Paul.

But here’s the thing about all of this. To borrow Paul’s spin on the 1993 WTC bombing, it actually does matter little if Paul wrote the crazy himself or had it ghostwritten under his own name. There’s a pattern developing with the Paul campaign that’s become too obvious to ignore. We have a pile of newsletters containing the more than occasional crazy. We have Paul being photographed with members of Stormfront, from whom he accepts donations. And we have Paul supporters celebrating terrorist Guy Fawkes on their big Ron Paul fundraiser day. And we have a mob of Paul supporters harassing Sean Hannity with obscenities. And despite the fact that Paul says he’s not a Truther, he has undeniably courted the Truther vote by hanging out with uber Truther Alex Jones.

Anything in the above paragraph, seen in isolation, is disturbing. But taken all together, it’s clarifying. Ron Paul isn’t just a “small government, constitutionalist libertarian.” I wish he was; that’s how he has long sold himself to the good people who have supported him all these years. But the truth is that he’s bad and many of his friends are worse. A vote for him is a vote for them. Yet Andrew Sullivan and his fellow prominent Paul supporters like NRO’s John Derbyshire remain blissfully unconcerned about it. This is serious stuff, but it hasn’t made a difference to them at all. Coming from any other candidate, and especially one they had not already publicly supported, it’s reasonable to expect that their reactions would be very, very different. Sullivan for one has treated terrorist propaganda about torture with far less caution than he’s showing with regard to Paul’s newsletters.

Back to the newsletter and then I’m done. Let’s take Paul’s latest defense at face value for a second. The best that can be said about it is that he mismanaged a newsletter and turned it over to cranks who don’t represent his views. Set aside that there’s a remarkable consistency between the views expressed in the newsletters and the views many of his supporters hold now. If Paul really didn’t write the most risible material in that newsletter, and if the ghostwriters really don’t represent his views, then he isn’t even competent enough to manage a newsletter in a way that keeps out the riffraff and represents his own thinking. Paul supporters still want to turn the executive branch of the government over to someone who exhibits this level of incompetence across a stretch of years?

I’m sorry, but that’s insane. Ron Paul has many honorable supporters among the crowd who genuinely believe that he’s just a small-government libertarian. Most of his supporters are probably of that stripe, and not part of the the Duke/Rockwell/Stormfront/Truther wing of the Paul movement at all. Now is the time for them to examine the evidence and choose whether continued support for Paul and his mob is wise or moral.

Update (AP): One of the oddest, most ominous things about this is that all of the newsletters quoted by TNR were published while Paul was a member of Congress. [Update: Not so, see below.] He’s been in office since 1976, in fact. In all that time, not one of his opponents thought to bring this stuff up? Or did they bring up, only to have it shrugged off by voters who don’t care about Paul’s association with the filthy dregs of American culture any more than the Paulnuts do?

One other thing. Paul was the money leader among the GOP candidates last quarter. He’s been something of a grassroots phenomenon for the past six months, at least. How come it took the assistant to the editor at TNR to break this open instead of some big media source? Which is to say, why is this nut given such a free ride?

Update (AP): Correction — Paul left Congress in 1985 and was reelected in 1996. Many of the newsletters were published during that period. So I amend my point. Why has it taken 10 years and five congressional elections for this crap to come out?

Update (bp): Well, some of this did come out in 1996 in the Houston Chronicle iirc. Paul was able to deflect it as statements taken out of context.

Update: Reason posts a round-up of response to the newsletters’ disclosure. Par for the course, Matthew Yglesias wins the dishonesty round. I’ve already noted Andrew Sullivan’s response in the post. The rest are interesting, especially Lew Rockwell’s non-denial. Granted, TNR has a very poor history of truthful journalism. But also granted, Kirchick has the goods in this story. Rockwell’s quoted response is non-responsive to the charges.


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Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Again, if I were to engage your points, I would have to lay out all of the old tired arguments (e.g., Saddam was our bastard in the 80s; we financed the fundy Muslims in Afghanistan; ad nauseum) and then I’d be accused of being a liberal, hate America first, leftist.

A main thing to keep in mind is that we have many (not all) sick, semi-literate, mentally and morally disturbed, men and women running our foreign policy (they have for over 45 years), who have no intention of putting your or my or America’s interests first and foremost. This strikes me as really troubling. I’m not sure what explains it, though I am sure that it is very much the case.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM

I have no respect for Anti-Semites. You go to hell Ron Paul.

CABE on January 9, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Eric Dondero, who was Paul’s employee for years, says the ghost writer was Lew Rockwell

He seems to have witnesses:

No, it was not me.

Here are some witnesses that can verify that it was indeed Lew:

Tom Lizardo
Norm Singleton
Michael Quin Sullivan
Rand Paul
Kent Snyder
Jeff Tucker
Mike Holmes
too name just a few.

http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/01/lew-rockwell-was-ron-pauls-ghostwriter.html#c8959205168095388789

If it was Lew Rockwell, this all makes a lot of sense, and so does Paul trying to protect him.

bnelson44 on January 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM

There was a phrase that the late great Chicago news columnist Mike Royke had for describing people like Ron Paul, namely that they had “wooly caterpillars between their ears”. I think this accurately sums up Mr. Paul, to a T.

pilamaye on January 9, 2008 at 1:38 PM

So what is more evil: that Americans are ignorant war lovers who have little problem ruining the lives of millions of innocent people in a country that most Americans can’t find on a map? And that these same Americans want to continue this throughout the world? Or that a politician printed some uncomfortable views in a newsletter twenty years ago?

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 12:17 PM

WOW, are you an American? I am and you did NOT describe me one bit. If you will look beyond the MSM, you will find that women in Iraq now work and can go to school. Their daughters are going to school (which are being built by Americans).

You sound like a Paul person to me – but hardly American.

a politician printed some uncomfortable views

…and said on a televised debate that 19 thugs flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon. You are comfortable with that?

On-my-soap-box on January 9, 2008 at 1:40 PM

The current crop of candidates on both sides are the equivalent of comic book characters.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 1:17 PM

And Ron Paul is the “Green Goblin”, flying around on his blimp saucer, scaring the crap out of women and small children.

And reasonable minded Republicans.

Timothy S. Carlson on January 9, 2008 at 1:41 PM

http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/01/lew-rockwell-was-ron-pauls-ghostwriter.html#c8959205168095388789

If it was Lew Rockwell, this all makes a lot of sense, and so does Paul trying to protect him.

bnelson44 on January 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM

If thats true then Lew needs to man up and say it was him

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM

I have a feeling the reason that you aren’t using those arguments (although really you are) is because they just aren’t any good. I wouldn’t accuse you of being a hate America liberal for having a difference of opinion. I do however think that the arguments you would supposedly use are just not solidly reasoned.

You may not like the decision to invade Iraq, but you must concede that we did.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM

If thats true then Lew needs to man up and say it was him

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM

These accusations have been out there for a long time and he hasn’t. I would think it would hurt his sales.

bnelson44 on January 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM

The current crop of candidates on both sides are the equivalent of comic book characters.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 1:17 PM

not so much comic book characters, just the usual gang of cartoons we’re forced to pick from

RMC1618 on January 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM

The ignorance of the world is strong with you. Embrace it. Help to spread the ignorance.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 1:12 PM

Can you please educate me o’wise one? Which part of what I wrote was ignorant – the part that we supported Iraq vs. Iran or the part that we are now fighting in Iraq? Please educate me with your obvious understanding of the nuances of how once supporting those we eventually fought is a good move.

King of the Britons on January 9, 2008 at 1:48 PM

You may not like the decision to invade Iraq, but you must concede that we did.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM

You’re right. So why has the result been so unlike what the planners said would be the case? Did they not know? Did they not care? Or did they know and not care?

Better minds were predicting this exact outcome (and I don’t mean leftists who hate any conflict that isn’t PC) and they were basing their predictions on history, experience, and prudence (there’s a word you don’t hear much anymore — thanks to GHWB).

It’s almost as if what we’re seeing is a calculated chaos. Or as Michael Ledeen puts it (approvingly): creative destrucion.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Just for clarification for some people who think HA was just a ghost town before comment registration was opened…here’s a list of the threads from the top picks, from just before comment registration was opened:

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Open thread: Hey, how does three and a half hours of debate on a Saturday night sound?

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The obligatory “O’Reilly gets froggy with Obama’s staff” post; Video: O’Reilly phones into Fox News from New Hampshire

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Now…what was Dumb, I mean Drum, saying about how he’s helped our poor dead site?

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Ron Paul isn’t just a “small government, constitutionalist libertarian.” I wish he was

I wish he was too. I’d probably support him if he was a real libertarian. But he is just an anti-statist kook.

JamesP on January 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM

a great ron paul primer:

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Ron_Paul

(nsfw warning (pics, verbiage))

Vincenzo on January 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Yes, in your case I believe it’s “Mommy smoked during pregnancy.”

Jim Treacher on January 9, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Good one. You are probably part of your high school debate team, aren’t you?

King of the Britons on January 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM

These accusations have been out there for a long time and [Lew Rockwell] hasn’t. I would think it would hurt his sales.

bnelson44 on January 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM

What sales? I don’t think he makes a ton of money from his website. Then again, I don’t know how much websites make. Those who frequent his site tend to agree with him and much of what is in those letters. Indeed, Gary North is a frequent contributor to LR. I don’t think it would hurt him as much as embarrass him (or others) if it was him. I doubt it was him.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Now…what was Dumb, I mean Drum, saying about how he’s helped our poor dead site?

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM

No, that’s not what I said nor what I implied. I’m surprised, I really don’t remember all that many threads that were so large.

Now, to suggest that I think I’ve helped the site, your implication is that I’m a new member — a Paulbot. Actually, I’ve been a member since Michelle launched it (was it a couple years ago?).

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 1:55 PM

You’re right. So why has the result been so unlike what the planners said would be the case? Did they not know? Did they not care? Or did they know and not care?

I would suspect that there is more than one factor as to why it did not go as the planners said it would. For starters, it is the nature of armed conflict to avoid the neat plans of those that engage in it; The Iraqis were rightly dubious about our willingness to stick it out for the long run (as we did not in GW1); Poor decision making by the political and military leaders (ie having to retake Fallujah); Saddams supporters, Syria, Iran, Saudia Arabia and al Quada all having a different idea about the way it should go; a solid incompetence on all levels to even engage in the media aspect of this war.

None of which amounts to calculated chaos as an attempted outcome on our end. Things do finally seem to be improving.

Would you suggest that we leave before they have a solid functioning government and armed forces?

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Would you suggest that we leave before they have a solid functioning government and armed forces?

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM

yes

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Shame and MORE SHAME on the constituents who re-elected him in ‘96.

tree hugging sister on January 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM

This is all a big ploy by HA to draw out the loons and ban them! It’s a big conspiracy against the Paulnuts!

(at least I hope it is!)

TheBigOldDog on January 9, 2008 at 2:03 PM

I was visiting with some very close friends in Franklin TN this week and they are Paul supporters. They both teach in classical Christian schools and are very involved in the pro-life movement. They find it hard to believe that truthers are involved with Paul, and that Paul would accept their support. That stated to me that they had no idea who Alex Jones was until I told them about him in some emails. They are good Christian people who love freedom, but they live in a small southern town and they are not exposed to the filth that has attached itself to Paul,or that Paul has attached himself too. I think that much of Paul’s support comes from these good conservative folks who just have no idea.

RobertInAustin on January 9, 2008 at 12:08 PM

This is exactly my point, most of the Ron paul supporters haven’t a clue who and what they are really really supporting. They have no idea who he is, who is behind him -they just think in all boils down to America sucks and he is going to be the big changer/cleaner/fixer of it all.

They do not know their candidate.

AprilOrit on January 9, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Would you suggest that we leave before they have a solid functioning government and armed forces?

Presently we are fence-sitting: We’re not going full empire hog and completely taking the country over, which would require a military draft along with incentives for Americans to move over there, take up residence, etc.

And we’re not pulling out completely, which would be an admission of defeat.

But make no mistake: we have conquered Iraq. It is our country now. We have a huge embassy and gigantic bases and mucho plans regarding the oil.

If McCain has said anything true lately, it is that we will be there for maybe one hundred years. I doubt it will be a joyful hundred years.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Good one.

Yep!

Jim Treacher on January 9, 2008 at 2:12 PM

But make no mistake: we have conquered Iraq. It is our country now. We have a huge embassy and gigantic bases and mucho plans regarding the oil.

If McCain has said anything true lately, it is that we will be there for maybe one hundred years. I doubt it will be a joyful hundred years.

Explain to me how, apart from the neighborhood, this is any different than our still being in Germany, Japan and South Korea. If at the end of those 100 years, Iraq is as solid a representative democracy as the other countries I mentioned, then it will be joyful indeed.

We will not take the country over empire-like, because we are not an empire builder as you seem to be suggesting. We haven’t been since the Philippines.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM

But make no mistake: we have conquered Iraq. It is our country now. We have a huge embassy and gigantic bases and mucho plans regarding the oil.

AWESOME.

Cuffy Meigs on January 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM

If thats true then Lew needs to man up and say it was him

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Why? A ghostwriter is not independent. He or she is the written voice of the fake author.

You have wasted a lot of energy to defending this nutbag. You will need a lot of carbon offsets to make up for all the crap your spewing into the atmosphere.

The Race Card on January 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM

bnelson44 on January 9, 2008 at 2:11 PM

My former landlord used to give me John Birch material (and other stuff) all the time. I play drums for a living and he was a fundamentalist Christian Bircher convinced that I was doing Satan’s work. I used to see Ron Paul’s name on occasion. But what those letters reminded me of was the conspiracy stuff — books like None Dare Call it Conspiracy; The Insiders; The Beast From Jeckyl Island (or some title like that; Tragedy and Hope; The Naked Capitalist.

The conspiracy aspect always alienated me, because I thought that the headlines alone were enough to prove that many of our elites didn’t have our best interests in mind.

This is at root what attracts most Ron Paul supporters. You can’t tell me that globalist think tanks such as the Council of Foreign Relations, AEI, and yes, the Trilateral Commission, have America’s interests first. I’m not saying they’re conspiratorial satanists whose designs are global slavery. But I am saying that they have interests that lie outside those of the average American. Security and free-markets have nothing to do with it.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Explain to me how, apart from the neighborhood, this is any different than our still being in Germany, Japan and South Korea. If at the end of those 100 years, Iraq is as solid a representative democracy as the other countries I mentioned, then it will be joyful indeed.

We will not take the country over empire-like, because we are not an empire builder as you seem to be suggesting. We haven’t been since the Philippines.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM

those countries are not dominated by muslims or have vast oil fields

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 2:20 PM

AWESOME.

Cuffy Meigs on January 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Say that in twenty years, bro.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM

those countries are not dominated by muslims or have vast oil fields

No, but the factions that those countries used to be dominated by were at least equally as worrisome. Which just goes to show how awesome we are.

America, nicefying Monarchs, Fascists, Nazis and radical Islamists since 1776.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Ron Paul seems, at times, to possibly be the underdog candidate who just might come from behind and actually be a legitimate candidate on the ‘08 ballot. Of course, he would have to relocate himself to a 3rd party ticket, or push for write-in votes. He’ll not be getting the Republican nomination, and we all know that. He says he’ll only run as Republican and won’t go 3rd party, or so he has stated, so he would have to be a write-in.

But I don’t believe him. His whole campaign has been thrust forward by the most juvenile and nefarious acts and tactics I have ever witnessed by any candidate’s supporters in several decades of voter age. Coupled with Ron Paul’s refusal to accept responsibility for newsletters opining all that we know they contain over almost two decades, and the fact that his supporters are a-okay with everything including his current associations with Neo-Nazi’s and troofers, one thing is crystal clear to me, he’s not to be trusted.

The blind allegiance and absolute refusal of the Ron Paul zombie hordes to acknowledge what has been and is currently going on here, and how Ron Paul himself handles the truth of all this, is border line scary. How many “charismatic leaders” brought to power and placed on the thrones of countries, whom have garnered such blind allegiance and devotion in history, have EVER ended their reign well and good? They’ve never been good… always evol.

I don’t think he’ll be elected POTUS, but there is one good thing about the Ron Paul phenomena. It has inspired many young people to think, act, and vote. When they grow up a little more and mature (ie: take on careers, mortgages, children, etc) hopefully it will be for the better. Their past and current acts and tactics certainly belie their immaturity and the natural selfishness that comes with immaturity. But it is time for a huge change in the status quo of big government and meddling to a fault in foreign affairs. It has been for a long time. I rather wish things had been just a little different with Ron Paul. I could have wrapped my head around him being POTUS.

SilverStar830 on January 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM

But I am saying that they have interests that lie outside those of the average American. Security and free-markets have nothing to do with it.

Furthermore, you can’t complain about open borders and the threat of China and then turn right around and push the likes of David Frum and Max Boot as being good men for America. These guys care nothing for America. They’re as Marxist in their globalism as writers for Workers World.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM

But make no mistake: we have conquered Iraq. It is our country now. We have a huge embassy and gigantic bases and mucho plans regarding the oil.

Then we should send Paul over to make sure we do not make our government over there too big. He can also keep our IRS from growing too big over there as well.

SHESH

On-my-soap-box on January 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Why? A ghostwriter is not independent. He or she is the written voice of the fake author.

You have wasted a lot of energy to defending this nutbag. You will need a lot of carbon offsets to make up for all the crap your spewing into the atmosphere.

The Race Card on January 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM

wow, maybe you have me confused with someone else or you are just ignorant. Take a look at my posts in this thread, here Ill quote it for you so you dont have to search

Its sad that these newsletters came out and were either written by Paul or published under his name. This whole thing detracts from his overall message of personal freedom, smaller government and economic reform. If these writings were done by Paul or he was complacent in their publishing (it looks like he was) then I will be reconsidering my support for him in the election. However his overall message still has my support. It is sad that it has been tainted by these newsletters though

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Im not defending Paul on the issue of the newsletters, I said if they are true then I will reevaluate my support for him. I still agree with his overall message of small government, economic reform and personal freedom.

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM

If Ron Paul was running as a liberal Democrat (like he really is) he would probably get the Democratic nomination hands down since mostly liberals make up his base. But I still think he comes across like Pat Paulson of “Laugh-In” fame who was a presidential candidate in the 70s, because he’s a joke.

Travis1 on January 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Say that in twenty years, bro.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM

In 20 years, we will probably be buying their cars.

BohicaTwentyTwo on January 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Ugh, enough of Ron Paul. The sooner this nutjob is out of the picture, THE BETTER.

mattyj86 on January 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:20 PM

The subject is Ron Paul and racism in his newsletter that went on for decades and his defacto sanctioning of that racism. That is what is at issue here. Nothing else.

bnelson44 on January 9, 2008 at 2:30 PM

America, nicefying Monarchs, Fascists, Nazis and radical Islamists since 1776.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Not sure about the “radical Islamists.” In all of the rest, we were dealing with either politics (monarchy) or nationalist radicals (fascists and Nazis). With Islam we are talking about a 1400 year heretial religion that has never been lacking in fanatics and which is completely foreign to the West in philosophy and motivation. We welcome any Muslim at our peril.

In light of this America must either get used to the bombings and terrorism, or: close the borders; register every single Muslim in this country as being a Muslim; put every single mosque on alert that they are being monitored; kick out every single Muslim who has ties to terrorists or terrorists sympathizers.

Tell that to the candidates and see how they react.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM

In 20 years, we will probably be buying their cars.

BohicaTwentyTwo on January 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Lord knows we won’t be buying our cars.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM

In light of this America must either get used to the bombings and terrorism, or: close the borders; register every single Muslim in this country as being a Muslim; put every single mosque on alert that they are being monitored; kick out every single Muslim who has ties to terrorists or terrorists sympathizers.

Tell that to the candidates and see how they react.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Are you being serious?

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Correcting myself… Pat Paulson was actually on the Smothers Brothers Show in the 1960s….. and became a joke by running for prez in 1968…. Sorry about that…

Travis1 on January 9, 2008 at 2:35 PM

I still agree with his overall message of small government, economic reform and personal freedom.

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I agree with that part of Paul’s message too. But I believe that he’s tainting the good by association with the bad, and he’s tainting it for all of us who agree with that part of his campaign.

Bryan on January 9, 2008 at 2:38 PM

King of the Britons

You know, I wasn’t looking at supporting Ron Paul, but after reading the following:

have no problem with using the force of government to enact THEIR particular brand of tyranny

misrepresentation of information

sanctimonious declaration that support of Paul to be immoral

control, regulate, and manage virtually every aspect of your life

insane… naive… dangerously childish…

that’s a lot of name-calling there. I’m sure that although I personally am in fact not swayed to your side by being called names, you will win over a lot of fence sitters.

Because who doesn’t like being called names? Right?

Your insane childing form of arguing, while calling others fascists looking for the Government to cure all ills is reminiscent of KOS labeling all opposition with a broad brush.

And by that I’m obviously showing how much I care and respect your opinion. Exactly as much as you respect the opinions of anyone who fails to see the glorious light of creation shining from Ron Paul’s posterior.

gekkobear on January 9, 2008 at 2:44 PM

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM

You were dragged kicking-and-screaming to the brink of sanity and you’re acting like I’m confused? Ok there Sparky.

You’re calling for his ghostwriter to “man up” as if the ghostwriter is the problem. The problem is the newsletter with his name on the masthead.

You do me no favors by reconsidering your RP nutriding. It actually suits you well.

The Race Card on January 9, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Again, if I were to engage your points, I would have to lay out all of the old tired arguments (e.g., Saddam was our bastard in the 80s; we financed the fundy Muslims in Afghanistan; ad nauseum) and then I’d be accused of being a liberal, hate America first, leftist.

or an idiot, whose in the middle of a Forest and can only ’see’ a couple of trees. which is a great way of describing Pauls history and views of Terrorism and “why they attack us”

jp on January 9, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Andrew Sullivan told Stephen Colbert he was backing Barack for 2008, not Ron Paul.

AprilOrit on January 9, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Are you being serious?

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Completely.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Bryan on January 9, 2008 at 2:38 PM

I like cake. Cakes are made with eggs. If you bring me an omlette with a candle in it for my birthday, you are a kook.

The Race Card on January 9, 2008 at 2:53 PM

You were dragged kicking-and-screaming to the brink of sanity and you’re acting like I’m confused? Ok there Sparky.

You’re calling for his ghostwriter to “man up” as if the ghostwriter is the problem. The problem is the newsletter with his name on the masthead.

You do me no favors by reconsidering your RP nutriding. It actually suits you well.

The Race Card on January 9, 2008 at 2:46 PM

I dont recall any kicking and screaming, please show me where this occured. I am not thrilled with any of the GOP candidates running right now. Paul has about a %4 chance of winning the GOP nomination. Realistically it is not going to happen. I don’t think Paul ran for president because he thought he could win. I think he ran so he could get his message out. In this he has been successful. Its sad that the newsletter issue is detracting from his message.

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 2:54 PM

gekkobear on January 9, 2008 at 2:44 PM

That’s funny. Do you think that I came to this site and started berating people for not loving Ron Paul? No, I have never been disrespectful to anyone until they began their diatribes against anyone who supports Paul. In case you haven’t noticed, those who dislike Paul are very strident and call names long before I have responded to any (Paultards / Ronuluns / Paulnuts / etc). Check any of the threads where I have posted. I take great exception to being labeled or grouped with racists and idiots because I detest the status quo in the Republican party and because I want the Leviathan to shrink and go back to its Constitutional intent. But, like most on this site, you choose to ignore the plank and focus on the speck.

King of the Britons on January 9, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Andrew Sullivan told Stephen Colbert he was backing Barack…

Yeah, but who’s he voting for?

Jim Treacher on January 9, 2008 at 2:58 PM

I will concede that the problems with radical Islam have their own special set of problems, but will point out that each of the various factions I mentioned did contain much the same kind of zealotry we are seeing today. The Japanese, for example, in their complete willingness to sacrifice all for the empire is eerily similar to the suicide bomber of today.

I am a fan, as others have admitted to, of some of Paul’s take on small limited government. However, the parts I like seem to me to be surrounded by horrible bits (isolationism, return to gold standard, trutherism) that I loathe. The association with racists, given how hard this country has worked to get rid of that mindset, makes me question the mans fitness to lead.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Hm. And just since registration opened up, you’ve started posting.

Right.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2008 at 3:04 PM

All your updates show how little you know about Paul.

Your bad management example is poor… if you consider he may not have managed it all.

“I accept Paul’s explanation about the statements attributed to him on racial issues. As a former press secretary to two Congressman and a chief of staff to a third, I know that staff can sometimes put out statements in a Congressman’s name that have not always been cleared. I did it more than once. So have others.”

By DOUG THOMPSON

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 3:07 PM

register every single Muslim in this country as being a Muslim; put every single mosque on alert that they are being monitored; kick out every single Muslim who has ties to terrorists or terrorists sympathizers.
Drum on January 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Muslims living in the US have the same right to privacy that you and I have. There is no consitutional reason they should be monitored, segregated and kicked out of the country. The current war against al-qaida and other al-qaida inspired groups has nothing to do with our personal freedoms or liberties. It is a direct cause and effect of our actions in other nations.

offroadaz on January 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Hm. And just since registration opened up, you’ve started posting.

Right.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2008 at 3:04 PM

God, what’s your problem? I’ve been posting here since it began. Jeez, dude, get over it.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

I want the Leviathan to shrink and go back to its Constitutional intent.

James Madison had $400 million in earmarks for shrimp farming. No, wait a tic.

Cuffy Meigs on January 9, 2008 at 3:13 PM

I like cake. Cakes are made with eggs. If you bring me an omlette with a candle in it for my birthday, you are a kook.

The Race Card on January 9, 2008 at 2:53 PM

No, no, no. Wrong analogy. It should be:

“I like cake. Cakes are made with eggs, flour and a nice sugar frosting. If you bring me a cake frosted with crap and a candle on it for my birthday, you are a kook.”

There, that’s better.

That’s RP in a nutshell. Some of his core ideas are fine, some are okay but a little extreme, and some are just crap.

The crap part taints the rest of the candidate, don’t you think?

Timothy S. Carlson on January 9, 2008 at 3:15 PM

Your bad management example is poor… if you consider he may not have managed it all.

That makes it better! Wow.

Cuffy Meigs on January 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

James Madison had $400 million in earmarks for shrimp farming.

The principled way to handle earmarks is to place every request you get in the spending bills, then vote against it. Other representatives may pick and choose which requests to put on the bill… but they’re representing their district. It’s their responsibility to put the requests on the bills.

So put every request on and force others to vote for the spending. It’s the principled way to do it and it’ll help you bring down the system.

For those of you who think it’s hypocritical to propose something and vote against it… you know that he proposed a declaration of war against Iraq, and then voted against it right? It’s principle.

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Sorry. I haven’t been availed of your points upon which I better agree or else I’m ignorant or a liar up until now. Guess I overlooked them.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2008 at 3:24 PM

The association with racists, given how hard this country has worked to get rid of that mindset, makes me question the mans fitness to lead.

Defense Guy on January 9, 2008 at 3:01 PM

I agree, though there is a classic free-market argument that ties to this association — one that even Thomas Sowell agrees with. And that is, say in a truly free market environment racial discrimination was not illegal (and I’m not saying that I think this should be the case, necessarily). Let’s say that Restaurant X refuses to serve blacks. In a real free market, a new restaurant — Restaurant Y — run by someone who sought profits over racial purity, would be opened that does serve blacks (and whites and Chinese, etc). Which of these do you think would be the more successful?

The proclamation of liberty brings out the bad with the good. The guy who hates blacks wants to run his business the way he sees fit, just as the guy who doesn’t hate blacks. And both get pissed and say awful things when the state steps in and keeps them from doing business the way they see fit.

And so Ron Paul (and I’m not excusing how he handled (or didn’t handle) the newsletters or that he may have said some horrible things) attracts the good and the bad.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 3:25 PM

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Let me help you out. Drum’s been round here for as long as I can remember. If you want to claim otherwise, you might acquaint yourself with Google. Type in site:hotair.com and then whomever or whatever comment you are looking for. In this case you can prove yourself wrong, so you don’t have to take my word for it.

Spirit of 1776 on January 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM

That makes it better! Wow.

His mistake, which he apologizes and takes responsibility for, is not watching what went out in his name. It’s a mistake. We forgive him for it.

An accusation that it was bad executive skills doesn’t hit the mark.

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I’ll take your word for it, because I’ve seen you around. Just never noticed him.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM

No, the principled way to handle them is to refuse to insert them to begin with.

I hadn’t known that it was the “responsibility” of Representatives to blindly pass along earmark requests. What section of the Consitution does Captain Principle find that power? Article I section shut your piehole?!?

But given Paul’s pathetic defense of his newsletter (”The, uh, other guy did it…yeah!”), I’m amused that principle is still a word Ronulans are trying to attach to their praetor.

JohnTant on January 9, 2008 at 3:36 PM

There is no consitutional reason [Muslims] should be monitored, segregated and kicked out of the country.

Yes there is, and that is that the teachings of Islam are completely alien to the foundations of Western political traditions. Even atheism has a fine (and not so fine) track record in the West, as does secularism. But if we expect orthodox Muslims to find natural compatibility with Western Christian British political norms (which is what America is founded upon), we fool ourselves.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 3:39 PM

It is a direct cause and effect of our actions in other nations

That is another aspect, but one which doesn’t, or ought not, deny the other.

It is this deadly ideology of democracy (of which Bush has become advocate numero uno) that thinks the world is clamouring for Western norms. It is not.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 3:43 PM

No, the principled way to handle them is to refuse to insert them to begin with.

I hadn’t known that it was the “responsibility” of Representatives to blindly pass along earmark requests. What section of the Consitution does Captain Principle find that power? Article I section shut your piehole?!?

It’s not in the constitution, that’s why he voted against it.

If the system is set up to take your money via the income tax and then allow others to request it through earmarks, it’s his responsibility to put on all requests from people in his district… because they pay taxes!

I’m against social security. But if they’re going to take my money I’m going to take the checks when they come. In the meantime I’ll fight to change the system.

Same thing.

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM

About as weak as a Ron Paul Racist Newsletter Denial. You stated it’s the “responsibility” of Representatives to pass earmarks along. Where is that responsibility granted? I’d compliment you on your attempt to deflect, but it wasn’t all that great.

If he were truly principled he wouldn’t have inserted the earmarks in the first place. He would have told the requestor that such things weren’t authorized and that they’d have to pay for their own shrimp marketing research. Up until yesterday I kind of wondered why he had a weakness for pork. Then this article appeared in TNR, and, well, the scales fell from my eyes.

Frankly, he knows the bills are going to pass, so he gets his pork and a talking point. That isn’t principled. That’s cynicism.

Lastly, your understanding of “the system” is similarly flawed. Only a Ronulan could spin so hilariously. Kudos!

JohnTant on January 9, 2008 at 4:01 PM

Just because something is labelled “David Duke” doesn’t mean it’s automatically bad. Sure, racism, anti-Semitism = bad.

However, state’s rights, low taxes = good.

Now, let me fall back upon my university indoctrination to make my next point.

We need a synthesis of the good ideas Paul has concerning limited government and a more enlightened viewpoint concerning race/ethnicity and other current social realities (ideas which I feel those of us who are essentially classical liberals–read, moderate righties–hold dear). But of course, somebody needs to tell all the malcontented Ivy League nutjobs to get with the program, Sharpton and Jackson to retire into private life (I dunno, maybe they could shake down the local bingo night once a month with charges of racial bias), and the MSM to get over their fascination for creating a romantic fantasy of struggle and strife and presenting it as “news,” or worse, “reality.”

I could have sworn I heard Shrillary talking about how MANY people can’t afford things in New Hampshire, including health insurance. I could have sworn she said that. Pandering with the tried and true Marxist narrative that has dominated left-wing political rhetoric for many decades. And people lap it up because because they have been put on a hardcore guilt trip for half a century.

In sum, being against the race hustlers and racist American left does not automatically = racism. It equals the exact opposite.

Paul is mainly a kook but he’s not a kook on everything. What he means to the debate is very important, as SilverStar and others have already pointed out.

$.02

Metro on January 9, 2008 at 4:01 PM

Yes there is, and that is that the teachings of Islam are completely alien to the foundations of Western political traditions. Even atheism has a fine (and not so fine) track record in the West, as does secularism. But if we expect orthodox Muslims to find natural compatibility with Western Christian British political norms (which is what America is founded upon), we fool ourselves.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 3:39 PM

It is this deadly ideology of democracy (of which Bush has become advocate numero uno) that thinks the world is clamouring for Western norms. It is not.

Drum on January 9, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Soft racism in all its glory.

BohicaTwentyTwo on January 9, 2008 at 4:01 PM

But, like most on this site, you choose to ignore the plank and focus on the speck.

King of the Britons

So you’re mad being grouped with the less tasteful of the RP supporters, understandable.

And you voice your displeasure by making sweeping statements about how I think, what I focus on, what I ignore, and generally making policy statements that you believe I have…

And you’re different from the people you’re criticizing how?

gekkobear on January 9, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Where is that responsibility granted?

I’d like to know how a responsibility can be granted.

They steal money from the people of Ron’s district. They let people request that money back. Paul has no authority not to let his constituents ask for their money back.

If Ron had his way, they wouldn’t steal the money in the first place, and they wouldn’t need to ask for their money back.

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Maybe in his, I dunno…job description? I looked all over Article I and I’m darned if there’s a section in there that says Representatives are required to dumbly pass along funding requests.

I’m not sure if you’re being purposely obtuse, in which case you should stop wasting everyone’s time, or you are blind to the very real foibles of Dear Leader, in which case you should stop wasting everyone’s time.

What’s the next defense? That Paul can’t be held responsible for the earmarks because he didn’t write them and he didn’t know what was being requested in his name?

JohnTant on January 9, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Lastly, your understanding of “the system” is similarly flawed. Only a Ronulan could spin so hilariously. Kudos!

Our whole system of laws is setup so that they might be changed within the law. I don’t like earmarks, but if he didn’t bring some home to his district, there is a false balance at the cost of the people he represents. They pay in, they should receive until the system is changed. It’s like not voting because your district is gerrymandered. The dollar is still going through the system regardless, and if it doesn’t come back to the district it becomes lost and the district proportionally less wealthy.

Spirit of 1776 on January 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM

I disagree, because I disagree with the justification that the money is going to be spent anyway. That’s a John Murtha argument. When budget time comes, an agency requests $X. Congress will have $Y in earmarks, so they appropriate X+Y, and direct the agency how to spend the extra money.

JohnTant on January 9, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Uh …. wow. Wow. I take it you opened up new registrations lately?

Why? Yikes. This is not an improvement.

For the record, I’m increasingly libertarian – but any chance that I might support Paul or anyone like him just vanished with this thread.

His supporters are just plain frightening. Almost uniform in their lack of maturity and childish anger. Ron Paul isn’t necessarily the problem if I ignore some of his loonier comments; and some of his ideas I actually agree with enormously, if – again – I ignore the outlying nuttiness.

But his supporters rob him of all credibility. Are they just unaware of their behavior? Or unable to stop?

—————–

What were you thinking opening registration now of all times? Ugh.

Professor Blather on January 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Well, some of this did come out in 1996 in the Houston Chronicle iirc. Paul was able to deflect it as statements taken out of context.

He won’t be able to get away with that lame excuse this time around. We have the internets and these bloggy thingys now. He’s done.

db on January 9, 2008 at 4:24 PM

His mistake, which he apologizes and takes responsibility for, is not watching what went out in his name.

In what way did he take responsibility for it? “It wasn’t me, it was some other guy” isn’t taking responsibility for it.

Jim Treacher on January 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM

JohnTant, okay. Think about it from the other viewpoint though, from the citizen. You pay into the federal government and you want your rep to rep’t you. If everyone else uses their power to bring home federal tax dollars to their district, except yours, you are handing money to your neighbors, simply with the gov’t as a middleman. Is that representing your interests?

What if Congress passed a law that only your district had term limits on representatives? Is that justifiable if your representative believes in term limits in general?

Spirit of 1776 on January 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM

I looked all over Article I and I’m darned if there’s a section in there that says Representatives are required to dumbly pass along funding requests.

Can you find earmarks in article I?

If the system is set up to steal your money and let others request it, it’s his moral responsibility to let the people in his district request it back. Every single request.

If social security steals my money, I should be able to get it back… even though social security is unconstitutional and I’m morally opposed to it.

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM

In what way did he take responsibility for it? “It wasn’t me, it was some other guy” isn’t taking responsibility for it.

You’re operating under the assumption that he was the one who said it. If you could open your eyes to at least the possibility that he didn’t say it…

…you could see that he takes responsibility for letting vulgar content go out under his name.

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 4:28 PM

For the record, I’m increasingly libertarian – but any chance that I might support Paul or anyone like him just vanished with this thread.

His supporters are just plain frightening. Almost uniform in their lack of maturity and childish anger. Ron Paul isn’t necessarily the problem if I ignore some of his loonier comments; and some of his ideas I actually agree with enormously, if – again – I ignore the outlying nuttiness.

Professor Blather on January 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM

…yeah. I’m pretty much with you. My closest friend is a Paulnut, but he’s…not someone I credit with the best judgment either. I’d considered Paul for nearly all his domestic stances. However…it’s just. Yeah. No words. Gonna have to be Fred for me, and maybe Mitt if he can prove he’s sincere enough.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM

I don’t like earmarks, but if he didn’t bring some home to his district, there is a false balance at the cost of the people he represents.

Amen Spirit. And it’d be more hypocritical of him to only pass along 1 or 2 earmarks that he “approves” of, because that would be approving of the system.

He opposes the system. So he puts them on the bills indiscriminately. And votes against them because the spending is unconstitutional.

He also fights against taking the peoples money in the first place.

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM

You’re operating under the assumption that he was the one who said it. If you could open your eyes to at least the possibility that he didn’t say it…

I am open to that possibility. So if it wasn’t him, who was it?

…you could see that he takes responsibility for letting vulgar content go out under his name.

How is that “taking responsibility”?

Jim Treacher on January 9, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM

I actually don’t go through the exercise of seeing if I break even in terms of services received versus taxes paid. I’d rather focus on the larger picture instead of trying to get my Rep to bring home bacon. In fact, I’d rather have a Jeff Flake as a Representative over a Ron Paul.

I mean, such a study can get flawed rather quickly. How do you assess the individual benefit received for things like defense spending? Frankly, instead of electing a guy who is going to give lip service to an idea and then go ahead and game the system anyway, I’d rather have a guy who is committed to stopping such things to begin with.

Sadly, Paul is not that guy.

What if Congress passed a law that only your district had term limits on representatives? Is that justifiable if your representative believes in term limits in general?

Except that isn’t analogous due to the equal protection clause. Maybe another example?

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Oh, so now it’s a “moral responsibility.” Paul is pretty big on “moral responsibility.” Bummer he isn’t taking “moral responsibility” in ending unconstitutional spending when he has the clear ability to. So again, interesting deflection. I guess we’ll have to mark that as a “No, he actually doesn’t have a responsibility to but he sure has a motive…”

But then, it’s not like it’s a surprise given his record and his recent actions.

Incidentally, your justifications fall flatter than a run-over-shrimp on a Texas highway. The Club For Growth analyzed Paul’s record and found that he voted against anti-pork amendments 70% of the time:

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/08/the_2007_club_for_growth_repor.php

And that wasn’t for pork for his own district…nope, that was for other people’s pork. Guess he’s as enthusiastic about people in John Murtha’s district getting their fair share too.

JohnTant on January 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM

How do you know Paul passed along 100% of requested earmarks?

JohnTant on January 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM

“It wasn’t me, it was somebody else. And it’s none of your business who really wrote it, or what I did when I figured out what was being said in my name… er, after it had gone on for, y’know, years… Ahem. So! As you can see, I am taking full responsibility for the stuff that isn’t my fault. Now can we just drop this?”

RON PAUL ‘08!!!!!

Jim Treacher on January 9, 2008 at 4:39 PM

How is that “taking responsibility”?

You shouldn’t let content like that to be sent out under your name, obviously. He admitted he has the moral responsibility for letting that happen, he was sorry for it, and should have been more involved. That’s taking responsibility.

You seem to think it’s only “taking responsibility” if he says he’s the one who wrote the words.

Jimmy Liberty on January 9, 2008 at 4:41 PM

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