Open thread: Primary results; Update: Silky staying in?
posted at 6:03 pm on January 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I don’t know when the exit polls are going to be released but the fact that CNN is starting to release stuff like this makes me think “soon.”
Something to ponder while we wait: Would an enormous Obama blowout on the Democratic side change your GOP primary vote at all? The bigger his victory, the more one has to start planning for him in the general. McCain and Huck match up reasonably well (although not all that well). Mitt, I think, less so.
Update: Fox News says 59% of independents are breaking towards Democrats, which means a big win for Obama. He’s leading Hillary 44-30 among them. Among independents voting Republican, McCain leads 37-26.
Evangelicals make up only 21% of the vote.
Update: More exit-poll mania from CNN. 18% of Dems and 15% of Republicans decide at the last minute. More good news for Obama, probably.
Update: Here’s Politico’s vote-count page. They did a crappy job with Iowa. Hopefully they’ve worked out the kinks.
Update: Is campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle the first woman overboard on the USS Clinton?
Update: The Politico page up above is showing very, very early results, although I don’t think we get any official tallies until 8 p.m. Expect Obama to be called the winner instantly and a too-close-to-call situation between McCain and Romney when the networks take to the air.
Update: Spare a thought for Rudy, who doesn’t otherwise figure into today’s proceedings. And that word is … crater.
Update: As of 7:35 ET, 4+% of the precincts have reported. Politico has results.
Update: No Hillary hate, no money.
I just got a call from a conservative marketing consultant I know. He is in a panic. “I am in the midst of a major crisis with a lot of people,” he said. “Hillary Clinton is going to die today. Do you know what that means for conservative fundraising all over America?”
Update: The exit polls are out. Good news for Hillary, per Fox News — Hillary’s within five and McCain leads Mitt by five.
Update: McCain staffers are very optimistic.
Update: An insider tells Geraghty that Hillary’s lead is somewhat misrepresentative and should correct itself over the course of the evening.
Update: Two races down, 48 states left to go, says Silky in his concession speech, hinting that he’s in it for the long haul. Juan Williams speculated earlier that he might stay in it as long as he can just to antagonize Hillary, the “status quo candidate.” That’s exceptionally stupid if true since he’s almost certainly pulling more from Obama than from Clinton. Call it a double victory for the Glacier if she pulls this one out.
Dean Barnett e-mails: “98% of America will get the opportunity to reject John Edwards! My turn will come on 1/29 – can’t wait!”
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Clinton got a cry like a baby bump…or just like most things the media doesn’t have a clue.
tomas on January 8, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Are you smoking something? I will never back McCranky or Huck-a-licious. Sorry!
upinak on January 8, 2008 at 8:20 PM
The long Fred Thompson stays in, the more we need to get prepared for a real turd of a candidate like Mike Huckabee or John McCain.
therightwinger on January 8, 2008 at 8:20 PM
So is it over – it’s either mcCain or Huck that will be the nominee. Is there any hope that Mitt can win it?
I’m a Fred Head but now i don’t know. Think I might have to switch to Mitt if it would do any good. Geeze – what is happening.
stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Shrillary’s lead is increasing. Wow, we may all have to leave the lights on tonight.
SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:20 PM
I would rather bleed from my eyes than vote for either of them. If McCain gets the nod, it’s Thompson on a write in. If it’s the Huckster, it’s a demonrat for me.
ihasurnominashun on January 8, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Thanks
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Clinton’s bounced out to a 2000 vote lead… and widening…
Vizzini on January 8, 2008 at 8:21 PM
LOL, not according to FOX News. They have Huck ahead!? It has been running across the screen for the past 20 minutes. Just heard this on Brit Hume-
malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:21 PM
I’ve got a chat room over at my site that I am trying out to see how it works on primary nights and such. Come over and try it out. You don’t have to register or anything!
Rightwingsparkle on January 8, 2008 at 8:21 PM
That would be the guy who still has the most money AND deligates, Mitt Romney.
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 8:21 PM
hillarys up by 2000 votes, same as Mccain, so why doesnt Fox call Billary the winner.
malkinmania on January 8, 2008 at 8:22 PM
And if the exit polls show the “youth” vote and “independent” vote swinging wildly towards Obama, can we conclude that nationally the youth vote and Indi’s are irrelevant? Just thinking out loud.
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:22 PM
I guess all those extra ballots that were needed came in handy for Clinton.
Sue on January 8, 2008 at 8:23 PM
So far it looks a tad nightmarish,McCain might be in,
Mitt might be out,and Hillary has delayed the timer on
her predicted emplosion,good grief charlie brown!
canopfor on January 8, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Wait and see what happens if Huck is the nominee. He’ll singlehandly create empty, echoing voting halls in Republican districts.
a capella on January 8, 2008 at 8:23 PM
That’s who I was afraid you were going to say. Thought maybe you had a trick up your sleeve.
No thanks.
Editor on January 8, 2008 at 8:24 PM
If Shrillary wins, all those white people will be called raaaaaaacist!
SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:24 PM
DANG!
upinak on January 8, 2008 at 8:24 PM
You’d be making a VERY wise choice. If all the Fredheads got behind Romney the could help stop Huckabee and McCain. Which of the three would actually govern as a conservative? Huckabee and McCain are holding on to their liberal positions and will never let go.
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Hillary up by 3,000 now? interesting
CrimsonFisted on January 8, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Okay, Chris Wallace wants to carry McCain’s child. also check out Drudge…Hillary Blow Out?
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Memo to guy behind Mark McKinnon: EYEBROW WAX!
SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Drudge has Clintoon up 40% to 35%
efears on January 8, 2008 at 8:25 PM
CLINTON 40; OBAMA 35;
How can this be?
petefrt on January 8, 2008 at 8:26 PM
I think thats a load of crap that came from a leftist. Conservatives aren’t going to contribute to a candidate because the object of thier hatred isn’t in the race? You guys are falling for the liberal line that conservatives are angry hateful people.
peacenprosperity on January 8, 2008 at 8:26 PM
WTF? Obama exit pol show him up by 4%?? Who’s doing the polling..John kerry’s former supporters?
malkinmania on January 8, 2008 at 8:27 PM
And Rudy didn’t beat Paul in Iowa…because he didn’t compete there.
You’re making a stupid comparison.
snickelfritz on January 8, 2008 at 8:27 PM
One thing is for sure. The democrats are outpolling the Republicans 2:1 at least!
SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I never thought I’d say this, but Go Hillary!
The idea of having Obamanation in the White House next year makes me feel queasy.
AZCoyote on January 8, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Politico:
http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html
Rep 12.95% reporting
Rudy 9.34%
Huck 11.98%
Hunter .58%
McCain 36.97%
Paul 8.31%
Romney 28.56%
Fred 1.44%
Dems 13.28% reporting
Clinton 39.98%
Edwards 16.7%
Obama 35.42%
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I ask those of you who will stay home if ________ is the Repub nominee will rethink your position.
Up until this election I was a one issue voter: I would not vote for someone who was not solidly pro-life. But, partly from reading HA, I realize that a Dem would mean socialism/marxism, and, possibly, (and I don’t think I’m being melodramatic) the beginning of the of our country.
Making bold statements to family and friends makes it tough to go back on one’s claims, but, please, at least think about it.
davidk on January 8, 2008 at 8:29 PM
SECOND LOOK AT HANGING CHADS!
wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Ron Paul is getting five and a half times as many votes as Fred.
Even UFO Kucinich is getting two and a half times as many votes as Fred.
MB4 on January 8, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Never underestimate the Clintons. ABC News projects, as does CNN, that Edwards will take 3rd. That leaves first or second for Clinton. She can lose by a few percentage points, and still be the comeback kid.
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:30 PM
The thought just occurred to me that probably the best thing that non-Democrat voters can hope for is that Hillary manages to ultimately beat Obama for the nomination — but only manages to do so by unleashing the full fury of her negative political machine on him.
Could you imagine the anger and gnashing of teeth and discord among black Democrats if the first black candidate for the Presidency, who really looks as though he has a good shot at winning it, gets screwed out of the job through a political hack job orchestrated to benefit a white candidate?
It would mean the end of the Democrat’s monopoly on the black identity-politick vote, with likely many black voters taking a second look at the Republican party, recognizing it as the party that put more members of ethnic minorities in more and higher positions of power than ever before.
Harpazo on January 8, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Its from time magazine and the fundraiser is anonymous. If anyone knows this michael sherer guy from time, tell him I know he’s a liar.
peacenprosperity on January 8, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Shrillary’s lead is now narrowing…exciting!
SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Actually, Hillary’s win is going to really dispirit the Democrats.
This whole campaign is NUTS !!! We’re looking to put Gomer Pyle/ Beverly Hillbilly in the WH.
GOD PLEASE HAVE MERCY !
stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 8:31 PM
If Clinton wins, where does that leave the “Change” vote?
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:31 PM
At least Chester County got it right.
Romney 37%
McCain 30%
Remind me to move there if I ever move to NH
resqgal on January 8, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Rudy is leading in NV and FL, so he could put the brakes on Huck and Mac. Romney polls second in those states. Anyone know if SC, NV, and FL are winner-take-all states?
Spolitics on January 8, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Does anyone REALLY care?
HotAirExpert on January 8, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Politico:
http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html
Rep 12.95% reporting
Rudy 9.34%
Huck 11.98%
Hunter .58%
McCain 36.97%
Paul 8.31%
Romney 28.56%
Fred 1.44%
Dems 14.28% reporting
Clinton 39.8%
Edwards 16.71%
Obama 35.63%
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Ok, I have a stupid question. On the Politico site, it says the AP does not report results from the gray shaded areas. Why not? Are they super duper secret? Inquiring minds want to know.
Janna on January 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM
CAN SOMEBODY JUST LET ME KNOW IF THEY ARE SEEING THE WRONG NUMBERS ON FOX’S DELGATE COUNT?
malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM
You know how you beat dems. Vote more than them. Don’t be an unamerican little punk and stay home because your mmmmmmmaddddddd your candidate didn’t wwiiiinnnn.
tomas on January 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM
The country survived Carter and then elected Reagan. The country survived Bill Clinton, and Republicans took both houses of Congress in the process. We’ll survive Hillary or Obama, and hopefully the Republican party will come to it’s senses as a result.
McCain, Romney or Huckabee all represent a movement of the Republican party to the left, further weakening the conservative movement.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Half the GOP candidates would mean essentially the same thing. Sorry, but I’m all done voting for the lesser evil; if the GOP turns its back on good people in favor of the current crop of frauds, it deserves the massive election-day enema that’s coming.
Centerfire on January 8, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Now Obama will start with the tears.
At least Fred won’t cry.
pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 8:34 PM
malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Also, if Clinton wins, will Obama start crying?
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Politico:
http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html
Rep 13.62% reporting
Rudy 9.32%
Huck 12.03%
Hunter .58%
McCain 36.99%
Paul 8.25%
Romney 28.52%
Fred 1.47%
Dems 14.28% reporting
Clinton 39.8%
Edwards 16.71%
Obama 35.63%
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM
It won’t be because I’m mad my candidate didn’t win, but because of the unacceptability of who did.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Heh! you beat me on the “tear” analysis.
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM
And that’s more important to you than the country’s well-being in a time of war?
LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM
It’s national park.
pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Yep, real bad. A Hillary win in NH will help the GOP’s November prospects. Also, if she got into the White House she’d likely be a little more centrist than Obama.
dedalus on January 8, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Rudy is 4th in FL
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/01/08/giuliani_sinks_to_fourth_in_florida.html
ihasurnominashun on January 8, 2008 at 8:37 PM
It’s the zeitgeist.
pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Thanks pedestrian, I know squat about New Hampshire.
And that’s just the way I like it.
Janna on January 8, 2008 at 8:37 PM
And a lake, right?
SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Clinton is keeping within that 5 point margin.
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:37 PM
That looks like one HUGE park!
malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:38 PM
I will stay home as Oregon is vote by mail only and will vote for Obama or Hillary if there is no viable third party candidate.
I am mad as HELL at the Republican party and I am not going to take their $hit anymore!!!
MB4 on January 8, 2008 at 8:38 PM
I believe it’s wrong. The last stat I saw was Romney 20, Huckabee 17, Thompson 6, and McCain 3
henzou on January 8, 2008 at 8:38 PM
outta-zeit!
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:38 PM
The war against Islamic terror will last far longer than a 4 year Presidential term.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 8:38 PM
If you stay home you are no longer a republican and are a traitor.
tomas on January 8, 2008 at 8:39 PM
NH is one small state :)
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Carter and Bill Clinton were Commanders-in-Chief at a time when the country was not at war. That won’t be true for the next president.
AZCoyote on January 8, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Exactly. In a lot of ways, 4 years of a Marxist that moves the Repub’s back to the right would be preferable to continuing the slow leftward creep of the Republican party these last 8 years.
Never forget that the way you boil a frog is slowly.
Don’t forget Rudy “The Only Man Who Can Beat Hillary” Giuliani.
Harpazo on January 8, 2008 at 8:39 PM
It’s easy to understand why southerners do poorly in NH but Guliani’s poor showing is something I did not expect. always thought Sen Clinton would take NH and offset the OBama IA win.
Mo on January 8, 2008 at 8:40 PM
That’s getting old. At the time, he was the only candidate who could beat Hillary. Also at the time, Hillary was the “inevitable” Democrat.
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Politico:
http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html
Rep 15.94% reporting
Rudy 9.22%
Huck 12.12%
Hunter .58%
McCain 37.2%
Paul 8.37%
Romney 28.17%
Fred 1.51%
Dems 16.61% reporting
Clinton 39.76%
Edwards 16.78%
Obama 35.78%
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Fred needs to drop out now and the Fredhead needs to get behind Romney.(ok, im dreaming) But man, the thought of McCain or Huckster winning the nomination gives me indigestion.
The Hayekian on January 8, 2008 at 8:42 PM
The socialism of the Democrats and the leftists who they represent is a far greater threat to America and the principles, values, and ideals on which she is founded than any external threat.
Beware most the enemy already within your gates.
Harpazo on January 8, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Romney is not a move to the left. On immigration…Tom Tancredo friggin endorsed him! On taxes..do you honestly think anyone knows more about taxes and the economy than Mitt Romney? National Defense..he wants to add 100,000 new people to the military.
McCain= Election day landslide.
Huckabee=Dumb as a box of rocks…Election day landslide.
Giuliani= Good candidate, might not get conservative vote.
Thompson= Most consisten conservative…bad campaigner.
Romney= Conservative enough, the most intelligent in the race…good organization..$$$
therightwinger on January 8, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I certainly hope you are correct. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t understand people or politics.
However, it doesn’t seem that the politicians got the message in ‘06. And the hunger of Dems to take over and implement socialist policies seems to be more intense.
I worry for our country.
davidk on January 8, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Sorry for my brief lapse of stupidity. I don’t like to spend any more time in New England then I have to.
malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:45 PM
those racist NH voters how dare they not vote for the
golden boyMessiahMojack420 on January 8, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I double-checked my poll. It was pre-Iowa. So, Huck is ahead in Florida now… Ugh.
Spolitics on January 8, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Politico:
http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html
Rep 17.27% reporting
Rudy 9.18%
Huck 12.11%
Hunter .56%
McCain 37.4%
Paul 8.4%
Romney 28.17%
Fred 1.46%
Dems 18.93% reporting
Clinton 39.53%
Edwards 16.78%
Obama 35.94%
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:46 PM
And yet there are STILL Rudy supporters who keep saying it.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Those of you who want to sit out the election, I remind you that the average age of the Supreme Court is 479 years old.
Do you REALLY want Hillary or Obama selecting 4 or more Supreme Court Justices?
Consider carefully.
Janna on January 8, 2008 at 8:47 PM
You say what I think. This is the scenario for which I root. It’s why I’m cheering for Barak to de-corinate Princess Hillary.
petefrt on January 8, 2008 at 8:48 PM
McCain vs. Huck: No matter who wins, conservatives lose.
phronesis on January 8, 2008 at 8:48 PM
You are 100% correct that Republicans didn’t get the message in ‘06. That’s my point, and that’s the problem. If a Dem wins, we can only hope the defeat will knock some sense in the pork-loving, big government, amnesty supporting Republicans we have now.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 8:48 PM
They have no honor and belittle all our boys have worked for.
tomas on January 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Let’s hope it was because a lot of Republicans took one for the team an put Sniffles back in the race. Payback for 2000.
pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM
And are you really that confident that John “Gang of 14″ McVain or Mike “Nanny State” Huckabee will do that much better?
thirteen28 on January 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM
You know..it seems Obama is strong in the western counties and most precinct reports have been on the east.So could be interesting.
malkinmania on January 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM
There are still Fred supporters who think he’s got the best chance to win, too.
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Well,Mitt seems to have stage presence,very dignified.
canopfor on January 8, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Who is this Rudy Giuliani person you speak of? Is he 3rd party candidate or something? The name sounds kinda familar, but I can’t quite place it…
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 8:51 PM
the race hasn’t even started yet
tomas on January 8, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Dear Senator Thompson,
You are one of the only two conservatives in this race and you understand what would happen to this country if somebody like Mike Huckabee were elected the Republican nominee. That’s why the conservative movement needs you to to swallow your pride and drop out of this race. Mitt Romney is the only conservative with the money, support, and campaign to beat RINOS like Huckabee and McCain in the primary and Obama and/or Clinton in the general. Let’s get Mitt Romney elected Republican nominee and maybe get a Mitt/Fred ticket going in the general.
Thank You,
The Few Real Conservatives left in the Republican Party
malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I certainly to not mean imply that those who differ do not worry about our country. I can tell you do by your passion.
And I do not think you are traitors.
davidk on January 8, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Politico:
http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html
Rep 20.93% reporting
Rudy 9.18%
Huck 12.22%
Hunter .58%
McCain 37.43%
Paul 8.6%
Romney 27.87%
Fred 1.36%
Dems 21.26% reporting
Clinton 39.67%
Edwards 16.79%
Obama 35.69%
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:54 PM
No. Frigging. Way.
As I have said in another thread, I would sooner cut off my own penis with a bandsaw than vote for Mitt Romney. Of all the GOP frauds, he is by far the worst.
Centerfire on January 8, 2008 at 8:54 PM
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