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Open thread: Primary results; Update: Silky staying in?

posted at 6:03 pm on January 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I don’t know when the exit polls are going to be released but the fact that CNN is starting to release stuff like this makes me think “soon.”

Something to ponder while we wait: Would an enormous Obama blowout on the Democratic side change your GOP primary vote at all? The bigger his victory, the more one has to start planning for him in the general. McCain and Huck match up reasonably well (although not all that well). Mitt, I think, less so.

Update: Fox News says 59% of independents are breaking towards Democrats, which means a big win for Obama. He’s leading Hillary 44-30 among them. Among independents voting Republican, McCain leads 37-26.

Evangelicals make up only 21% of the vote.

Update: More exit-poll mania from CNN. 18% of Dems and 15% of Republicans decide at the last minute. More good news for Obama, probably.

Update: Here’s Politico’s vote-count page. They did a crappy job with Iowa. Hopefully they’ve worked out the kinks.

Update: Is campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle the first woman overboard on the USS Clinton?

Update: The Politico page up above is showing very, very early results, although I don’t think we get any official tallies until 8 p.m. Expect Obama to be called the winner instantly and a too-close-to-call situation between McCain and Romney when the networks take to the air.

Update: Spare a thought for Rudy, who doesn’t otherwise figure into today’s proceedings. And that word is … crater.

Update: As of 7:35 ET, 4+% of the precincts have reported. Politico has results.

Update: No Hillary hate, no money.

I just got a call from a conservative marketing consultant I know. He is in a panic. “I am in the midst of a major crisis with a lot of people,” he said. “Hillary Clinton is going to die today. Do you know what that means for conservative fundraising all over America?”

Update: The exit polls are out. Good news for Hillary, per Fox News — Hillary’s within five and McCain leads Mitt by five.

Update: McCain staffers are very optimistic.

Update: An insider tells Geraghty that Hillary’s lead is somewhat misrepresentative and should correct itself over the course of the evening.

Update: Two races down, 48 states left to go, says Silky in his concession speech, hinting that he’s in it for the long haul. Juan Williams speculated earlier that he might stay in it as long as he can just to antagonize Hillary, the “status quo candidate.” That’s exceptionally stupid if true since he’s almost certainly pulling more from Obama than from Clinton. Call it a double victory for the Glacier if she pulls this one out.

Dean Barnett e-mails: “98% of America will get the opportunity to reject John Edwards! My turn will come on 1/29 – can’t wait!”


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Paul is way ahead of Fred….that must really piss a lot of people off here…considering what just came out about him today?

CABE on January 8, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Naw, but it does speak to the collective intelligence of the voters in that state.

Did anyone else notice that the Politico NH map would make one hell of a jigsaw puzzle?

wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 7:59 PM

“I am in the midst of a major crisis with a lot of people,” he said. “Hillary Clinton is going to die today. Do you know what that means for conservative fundraising all over America?”

Well at least they are working for a higher purpose.

sweeper on January 8, 2008 at 7:59 PM

McCain up by 1700. 10% reporting

csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Try again. Fred didn’t compete in NH.

snickelfritz on January 8, 2008

A box of jello could beat Ron Paul in New Hampshire. But Jello isn’t running..and Fred is still behind.

CABE on January 8, 2008 at 7:59 PM

When Fred skipped the NH debate a few months ago the NH voters turned on him. He is smart not to waste time and money there.

UKFB2 on January 8, 2008 at 8:00 PM

And so it begins.

canopfor on January 8, 2008 at 8:00 PM

pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 7:00 PM

I like that username. Actually, I like it a lot. But I’m not hiding.

I don’t mince words. I don’t lie. I have been both wrong and offensive more than once. I apologize if and when such information is brought to my attention.

I sleep comfortably at night.

The Race Card on January 8, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Almost 10% now
mcCain 37
Romney 27

William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 8:00 PM

I love how Luntzs focus group really reflects this race. EVERYONE in that group was in the Mitt camp.

broker1 on January 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Exit polls

McCain 35
Romney 30

csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Did anyone else notice that the Politico NH map would make one hell of a jigsaw puzzle?

Even that Politico site is a jigsaw puzzle.

CABE on January 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Polls are closed.

C’mon Mitt. I could support a Romney/Thompson ticket.

But not Huckabee.
And NEVER McCain.

Ooooo – It’s neck and neck for Shhhhillary and Obama.

Timothy S. Carlson on January 8, 2008 at 8:02 PM

I think Hillary has been treated unfairly…I hate to say it. I don’t like crowning people like the media has. They really cause trouble. It would get things back on track if she pulls an upset.

tomas on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Fox reporting that exit polling doesn’t show a blowout by Obama. 39 to 34 percent.

Sue on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Saw Hume giving these numbers, is that closer than you thought it would be (assuming those exit polls are accurate)?

Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Geez, with almost 10% reporting, she’s up on him by almost 2 points.

Still, these must be the smallest precincts, so perhaps they don’t represent 10% of the votes.

LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Dems 9.3% reporting
Clinton 37.47%
Edwards 16.49%
Obama 36.49%

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Awesome. The longer she is in the game the nastier it gets.

No one has the creditials to dump on Obama like Bill.

pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Geezus H. Huckachrist AP. Don’t you tire of all things pessimistic? It’s early son. Chin up. You gotta figure the guy is an idiot. Worse, a socialist idiot. He’ll screw up more than once in the next 10 months. Plus he’s gotta dodge the Clintonistas. He11, they’re liable to scalp the fool.

Griz on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

What if Mitt pulls out to throw support and campaign with Thompson – to stop Huck & McCain.

stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Who are the viable independents/libertarians if McCamnesty or the Huckster get the nod?

liquidflorian on January 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Fox is saying its earlier predicted “blow-out” for Obama is no longer as likely. It may come down to a few points, if she comes in second.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM

What if Mitt pulls out to throw support and campaign with Thompson – to stop Huck & McCain.

stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Riiiiiigggghhttt.

Editor on January 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM

CNN reporting 11% precincts reporting
Rudy 9%
Huck 12%
McCain 37%
Romney 28

Clinton 39%
Edwards 17%
Obama 36%

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Almost 11% Hillary up by 3%

William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

I had no clue. The pre-vote polls and trends looked better for Mitt, but you just never know.

csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Assuming Edwards ends up dropping out, will his supporters go for Obama or Clinton?

Bad Penny on January 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM

He still has the money and the delegates and what he has spent has brought him national attention and he is polling well nationally now.

I think the last two debates helped him. Plus, people are paying more attention now.

Spolitics on January 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Griz on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Uncle Jimbo from Blackfive calls him Eeyorpundit.

liquidflorian on January 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Hillary has almost double the votes of the GOP leader?

Could her crass bid for sympathy have swayed so many people?

LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Well so far the blowout might of blown up
for Obama,but it’s still early!

canopfor on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks as if Fox News’ delegate count on the bottom of the screen (below NH results) is off. It has Huck with 30 and Mitt with 15. This is off. It also has the messiah with 75, while he only has 69. Whats going on FOX NEWS?

malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

What if Mitt pulls out to throw support and campaign with Thompson – to stop Huck & McCain.

stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Not going to happen.

Hillary’s 3% up.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Almost 11% Hillary up by 3%

William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM

BUY! BUY! BUY!

pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

The thing that I find the most interesting in the early returns is that BOTH Obama and Hillary (the twin vote leaders for the dims) are EACH getting almost twice the number of votes that Strawberries McShamnasty (the vote leader for Republicans) is getting and New Hampshire is considered to be a swing state.

The same kind of thing also happened in Iowa.

Do the political math.

MB4 on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Rush predicted that this was all a plan by Clintons. The big comeback.

stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Politico:

http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html

Rep 10.29% reporting
Rudy 8.92%
Huck 12.18%
Hunter .64%
McCain 37.18%
Paul 8.36%
Romney 28.09
Fred 1.45%

Dems 10.63% reporting
Clinton 38.13%
Edwards 16.81%
Obama 35.95%

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Maybe Slick knew what he was talking about re Obamamania.

a capella on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

What if Mitt pulls out to throw support and campaign with Thompson – to stop Huck & McCain.

stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

I’m deeply offended! I am obviously drinking the wrong beverage tonight.

wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM

So for ConHillary,the tears might of been a
successful mission!

canopfor on January 8, 2008 at 8:08 PM

I love how Luntzs focus group really reflects this race. EVERYONE in that group was in the Mitt camp.

broker1 on January 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM

But they were undecided Republicans, right? If McCain takes it, it will be because of the Indies.

Spolitics on January 8, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Geezus H. Huckachrist AP
Griz on January 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

I spit my cola on my screen.. LOL thanks for the laugh!

upinak on January 8, 2008 at 8:08 PM

OK guys… Let me explain this to you. I can’t stress the urgency of this enough, because it looks like my party has lost it’s mind, especially over the past few weeks.

First, Republicans don’t win elections when they run as moderate Democrats. I can understand watching the “Obamaboom” and wondering if we are going to win in November by saying. “Ohhh ohh Me too, I’m for change too, vote for me!!” But it never works. ever. You basically concede the argument, and you look insincere compared to your opponent. I see all the front runners on our side talking about “climate change” and “amnesty” and trying to toe both sides. IT WONT WORK.

Secondly, as strange as it sounds, rarely has an election been won by swinging independent voters. You win elections by bringing more guys to the party then your opponent. Which means uniting and energizing your base.

If Obama is the nominee, we need to get our act together before we completely get our a$$ handed to us. Right now, Fred is the only candidate that can deliver our argument and if he gets the attention from the nomination, unite us. However, it’ll be a miracle if he makes it past South Carolina.

Look we know our policies work, we need to have faith in them, Whoever our choice is, he needs to have a strong consistent message, and be able to get people excited about him. Obama is so vapid, he is beatable, we just have to get the right guy with the right message.

Otherwise we are left with a Dem president, and a strong Dem majority in congress for at least the next two years..

michealclark on January 8, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Geez, Obama may not win this thing. Obama’s split 50Dem/50Ind for support, while Clinton got 60/40… what % is Dem and Ind in NH?

Vizzini on January 8, 2008 at 8:09 PM

In the next debate, Clinton should do what Romney did to Huck. Prod Obama for details to make him look shallow. The problem for her is, she doesn’t really want to take about details either and B.O.’s platitudes are better than hers.

Spolitics on January 8, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Results so far are coming from the NE of the state.

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Its not over till the fat ex president sings !

William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Clinton’s doing pretty well.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Fox says McCain wins.

henzou on January 8, 2008 at 8:11 PM

FNC calls it for McCain.

flip on January 8, 2008 at 8:11 PM

BUY! BUY! BUY!

pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Heh!

Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:11 PM

FOX declares win for Mac

davidk on January 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Fox calls it for McCain.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM

FAWX project McCain the winner….yankee “conservatives”…THANKS for nothing!

SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Politico:

http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html

Rep 10.63% reporting
Rudy 8.99%
Huck 12.19%
Hunter .62%
McCain 37.15%
Paul 8.51%
Romney 27.93%
Fred 1.43%

Dems 10.96% reporting
Clinton 38.43%
Edwards 16.73%
Obama 35.82%

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Your first two primary winners Huckabee vs McCain

William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Is anybody watching the delegate count on FNC’s scrolling bar? It seems off to me.

malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM

The Mac is back?

Complete7 on January 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM

CNN predicts McCain win…

Vizzini on January 8, 2008 at 8:12 PM

This is a bad night to be named Mitt.

wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Its been updated to 11.29% Hillary still up by 3%

William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Hey, did Fox call it for McCain? Anyone?

Editor on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

How can you call a winner with 12% of the vote from mostly one part of the state (SE New Hampshire)?

malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

I take it the north east New Hampshire is the conservative part of the state.

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Uncle Jimbo from Blackfive calls him Eeyorpundit.

liquidflorian on January 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Uncle J is great, I love his Friday Freeflys..

broker1 on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Well,the projection is McCain!.Interesting!

canopfor on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

michealclark on January 8, 2008 at 8:08 PM

That’s the case against McCain and Huck, but I don’t think Romney, Rudy or Fred are posturing as moderates. Heck, Rudy keeps invoking Reagan.

Spolitics on January 8, 2008 at 8:14 PM

If, and boy do I mean IF, Clinton pulls this out, there will be a lot of crow being eaten.

Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:14 PM

This is bad news for Obama… both because of NH, as well as his potential opponent… means independents came out hard on the Republican side, too.

Vizzini on January 8, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Hey, did Fox call it for McCain? Anyone?

Editor on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Yes

Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:14 PM

McCain…..yikes…

therightwinger on January 8, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Politico:

http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html

Rep 10.96% reporting
Rudy 8.97%
Huck 12.2%
Hunter .61%
McCain 37.18%
Paul 8.49%
Romney 27.95%
Fred 1.43%

Dems 11.29% reporting
Clinton 38.41%
Edwards 16.69%
Obama 35.87%

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Really, what part of NH is considered conservative vs. liberal?

SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM

If, and boy do I mean IF, Clinton pulls this out, there will be a lot of crow being eaten.

Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:14 PM

A lot of liberal reporters will be ass kissing the Clintons tomorrow begging forgiveness

William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM

CNN just projected McCAin the winner

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Editor on January 8, 2008 at 8:13 PM

*snicker*

davidk on January 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM

If, and boy do I mean IF, Clinton pulls this out, there will be a lot of crow being eaten.

Indeed. The lamps of New Hampshire will be safe, for one night.

LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Anyone have the number for the California Suicide Hotline? If so, you might want to forward that to Hugh Hewitt.

Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Even if Obama pulls it out by a narrow margin, he suffers from not meeting inflated expectations. That gives some major MO to the ice woman.

a capella on January 8, 2008 at 8:16 PM

CNN n MSNBC CALL MCCAIN

zane on January 8, 2008 at 8:16 PM

We should never dance on Hillary’s grave.

When we think she is gone, her wrinkled arm snatches us like Carrie White at the graveside.

The fake tears and “iron my shirt” stunts may have salvaged this for her.

Valiant on January 8, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Heck, Rudy keeps invoking Reagan
Spolitics on January 8, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Maybe the ghost of Reagan will illuminate him. Though I honestly doubt that, Reagan is probably turning in his grave right now.

upinak on January 8, 2008 at 8:16 PM

The liberal precincts still need to report in.

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Shrillary must be eating this up. The ol’ rope-a-dope!

SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:17 PM

CS, just saw campaign carl talking up McCain. Said something to the effect of “well maybe the republican base will have to have McCain as their candidate. My my, how quickly the script gets written.

Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:17 PM

What does it say that for the second straight time twice as many voters showed up for the Dems? I got a baaaad feeling about the General.

broker1 on January 8, 2008 at 8:17 PM

These results are coming in from SOUTHEAST, not NORTHEAST NH. http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html You can’t call an election with one part of the state…
The capitol (Manchester) hasn’t even had 1/3 of precincts reported yet!

malan89 on January 8, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Dana Bash of CNN: The surge appears to be working.

Keep that in mind, guys.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:17 PM

It’s obvious that the McCain/Huckabee tagteam strategy is working. It’s still not too late Fredheads to get behind a candidate that would stop the liberals Huckabee and McCain and ALSO actually has a chance to get the nomination.

davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Oh well Romney still ahead in delegates =)

Still wish he would have won though.

CABE on January 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM

CBS calls it for McCain.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Politico:

http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html

Rep 11.96% reporting
Rudy 8.89%
Huck 12.41%
Hunter .59%
McCain 36.9%
Paul 8.58%
Romney 27.91%
Fred 1.47%

Dems 12.29% reporting
Clinton 38.18%
Edwards 16.81%
Obama 35.93%

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM

CNN projects Edwards will come in third place. Clinton is currently leading Obama by 4%.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:19 PM

davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Really? Who might that be?

Editor on January 8, 2008 at 8:19 PM

I don’t know what all the negative talk about Romney is. He finished 2nd in two states and first in one. He will finish the night as #1 overall in the first three states. Not bad in my book. He should also win the next primary, Michigan.

Buckley on January 8, 2008 at 8:19 PM

CNN just projected McCAin the winner

Crap.

Spolitics on January 8, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Dummer on both the right and the left. Bummer especially that Clinton will be allowed to control the campaign again.

petefrt on January 8, 2008 at 8:19 PM

CBS calls it for McCain.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM

This year or 2000? ;-)

SouthernGent on January 8, 2008 at 8:19 PM

okay, so if the turnout was as big as reported…and Clinton wins…then can we say that there is that much excitement for…Clinton?

Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Second, First, Second. Competitive in every state. More money and organization than any other candidate.

Yet Romney has to win Michigan or he’s done?

Patriot33 on January 8, 2008 at 8:20 PM

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