Is Fred helping Huckabee by staying in the race?
posted at 11:13 am on January 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Think about it. If St. John wins today, he and Huck go into South Carolina as the odds-on favorites to take the state. (Mitt could contend if he takes Michigan next week, but he’s expected to win there and is at a disadvantage vis-a-vis his opponents in hawkish, evangelical SC.) McCain’s already preparing his next moves, in fact, planning a swing through Michigan and then a flight to Charleston tomorrow night to beat the war drum at the Citadel. He’s seven points behind Huck in the state in the new Rasmussen poll, with Mitt and Fred accounting between them for another 26% of, I presume, traditional conservative voters. If either or both of them were to drop out, how would those voters break? I’m guessing towards McCain, although that’s only because I think of Huckabee as a sort of McCain-like figure himself minus the foreign policy strength. What do you gain by choosing Huck over Mac? The answer, I guess, is that one’s a “Christian leader” while the other isn’t, so it would come down to a test of whether Mitt’s and Fred’s voters prioritize the war over “values” or vice versa.
So then. If, as I do (and Ace does, among others), you believe McCain is mildly preferable to Huck, and if you believe the balance of Fred’s voters would shift towards him — especially with a likely endorsement of McCain by Fred following his dropping out — then Fred could be the difference between a Huck victory and a Mac victory in South Carolina. The Fredheads naturally think Thompson can still win the state outright, but imagine this: A week from today, four days before the primary, it’s Huck 35, McCain 35, Mitt 20, Fred 10. Should he drop out then? Yes, yes, ideally Mitt would drop out and his voters would rush off to Thompsonville, but Mitt’s got a bottomless treasury and isn’t getting out soon. Exit question: When is it time to pull the plug, ‘Heads? And as you consider it, bear in mind that the man who not long ago scolded us for punishing the children of illegal immigrants for the sins of their parents is now willing to go this far in pandering to absolve himself.
Update: Maybe the real question is, why is McCain still in the race?
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Never…Fred doesn’t do “process”, he does issues.
flipflop on January 8, 2008 at 11:16 AM
I’ll see you at the Huckabee inauguration, then, Flip.
SECOND LOOK AT FRED AS RALPH NADER!
Allahpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:17 AM
He also doesn’t win elections.
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:18 AM
It ain’t over yet. Good grief, it’s just barely begun.
jdawg on January 8, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Heheh.
SECOND LOOK AT FRED’S DISMAL CAMPAIGN FAILURE!
Allahpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:18 AM
BS. Fred has won every election he’s run in.
jdawg on January 8, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Strategic voting time!
Vizzini on January 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM
When was the last time he ran for president? Having to win the voters over in Tennessee, and having to win over the American electorate are two entirely different tasks.
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM
The race still seems to be awfully wide open to be asking when it’s time for Fred to pull the plug. We’ve had caucuses in exactly two states. Third one today, and Fred should pull the plug?
This is the kind of baloney that is symptomatic of this silly primary system that has a few states at the beginning essentially deciding the candidate because the would-be pundits can’t stop navel gazing.
robport on January 8, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Bingo. I mean, he appeals to New England Republicans because he is so east coast establishment, but I think the race is still pretty open between Romney, Huckabee, Fred, and even Rudy. But maybe I am missing something.
warrenmr on January 8, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I dunno, AP…I have to think Fred pulls more votes away from Huckabee than from McCain due to his stance on social issues. People certainly don’t like Huckabee because he’s “conservative” (because he ain’t!) – they like his stand on social matters. Doesn’t seem to me that they would have been supporters of McCain anyway.
Tim on January 8, 2008 at 11:21 AM
McCain is now 7 points behind Huck in SC. If McCain wins NH (which now looks likely), there is a good chance he will be 7 points ahead of Huck in SC next week. The question is what does Fred do then?
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 11:21 AM
That’s the real questions as far as I am concerned. Wasn’t this guy declared dead? What happened to the McCain-Kennedy outrage? Not to mention McCain-Feingold.
McCain, despite being a war hero, is wrong like two boys kissing in church on Sunday.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 8, 2008 at 11:21 AM
That script will never be written.
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM
I guess that stint in the Senate wasn’t won, just like Boooshitler’s 2000 election.
SECOND LOOK AT CHADS!
MadisonConservative on January 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Completely wrong premise. New Hampshire should drop out of the race!
RushBaby on January 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Yeah, that’s possible. Like I said in the post, it comes down to whether you think Fred’s voters are more “war” voters or “values” voters. I guess I tend to assume that anyone who’s super keyed up for values is probably already voting Huck anyway.
Allahpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Cripes. Thompson’s only at 10% in SC? Even if he takes a full 10% off Huckabee, he’s still behind Romney and McCain. If he loses there, it’s over for his campaign.
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM
If someone says Michigan is conservative, I would love for you to say that to me to my face as I laugh at you!
upinak on January 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Johnny Amnesty isn’t preferable enough to Huck to rob us of the chance, however remote, that Fred could win this thing.
World B. Free on January 8, 2008 at 11:24 AM
See my last comment. He won two terms in the U.S. Senate in Tennessee. There, I’m assuming you can pretty much “do issues”. When running for President, however, you pretty much have to do “the process”.
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:24 AM
If Fred were to drop out, my support would go to Romney before I ever gave it to either McVain or the Huckster – irrespective of any Thompson endorsement.
That being said, I think all this amounts to is fighting for deck chairs on the Titanic. We’re not going to nominate a conservative, which means we’re not going to keep our coalition together, and therefore, we’re going to get stomped in November.
Get ready for the political wilderness, guys.
thirteen28 on January 8, 2008 at 11:24 AM
If McCain would just pull out, Fred would have a real chance. I’m not saying he would be a shoe-in, but he’d have a chance.
I think SC will be the decider as to whether Fred sticks it out. If he only gets 10% of the vote as stated above, I can’t imagine him sticking it out any longer.
Luckedout on January 8, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Plenty of time to work the South Carolinians while the other candidates work Michigan.
Also, which of the other candidates besides McCain has ever run for President? Saying Fred has never ran for President doesn’t really distinguish him from most of the other candidates.
frode on January 8, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Fredheads: Support Mitt and shut down both McCain AND Huckabee’s chances!
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Since Duncan Hunter is not viable, conservatives would have no reasonable option if Fred exited the race. He needs to hang on because a lot can, and will, happen over the next few weeks.
This race is far from over.
Go Fred Go
flyfisher on January 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM
I agree, I’ll vote Mitt before I vote for Huck. If McCain gets the nomination, I’ll write in Allahpundit.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM
It’s mistaken logic to think that some of those supporting one candidate will gravitate to one (or any) candidate. It could just wind up decreasing the total number of voters who give a rat’s behind.
snickelfritz on January 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM
I think he will at least stick it out through super Tuesday. If he drops out then he will throw his support behind Hunter.
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 11:27 AM
If the worst case scenario does happen, we had better recast our efforts on rebuilding that coalition. Even if it’s by campfire light and accompanied by coyote song.
RushBaby on January 8, 2008 at 11:27 AM
McCain would never pull out before NH. Because it hurts Romney (I think he really doesn’t like Romney post-son’s service comment; John does tend to take things personally) and I think he wants a moral victory – ie I won NH, if only you morons understand that amnesty wasn’t really amnesty my funds wouldn’t have dried up.
Re: Fred. There is no way he can drop out before SC unless it’s on the eve, and I don’t think he would then either really. I don’t think Fred is going to win SC, but that is where his campaign is/has been planning. It’d be like Rudy jumping just before FL. I just don’t see it happening. I’m also less certain that if he did, it would slow the Huck train. Fred did get the NRTL endorsement…I don’t know if that makes a difference in SC, but if it is going to, that’d be the place wouldn’t it?
Spirit of 1776 on January 8, 2008 at 11:27 AM
FWIW, I know a slew of evangelicals (how’s that for quantifiable language?) who were chomping at the bit for Fred to get in the race due to his social/values stance. Granted, these are mainly folks who don’t hang on every word that proceeds from the mouth of Dobson – but I think thats a far larger section within evangelicalism than most people imagine.
Tim on January 8, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Looking at the dynamics of NH, I wonder if the focus groups are representative? They are deciding between McCain and Mitt and it’s logical to assume that if either one drops out, the other will get their supporters. This should help in the eastern states and somewhat in the south.
So, the only man that can save America, might just be the guy who is patriotic enough to drop out to save us all from the scam artistic Huck. Who is really Carter v 2.0.
God helps us! Please bring on the rapture and whisk away all these ignorant evangelicals and leave us godless heathens to save the country.
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 11:29 AM
I think he is gambling that Romney wins NH and McCain flounders. That is why he isn’t really spending money anywhere else.
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 11:30 AM
He’s probably hurting McCain (which is good)…so I hope he stays in. Mitt all the way.
CABE on January 8, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Even so…sheesh. He has been in the race awhile and can’t garner much more support than that in a deeply conservative southern state?
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 11:31 AM
But does he hurt McCain at the expense of helping Huckabee?
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:31 AM
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Perhaps, but your statement was completely, factually, incorrect. You said he doesn’t win elections. You did not specify what type. He has won elections and for you to say otherwise is incorrect.
jdawg on January 8, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Just an opinion. I think McAmnesty is still in the race to help take out Romney for his new pal Chucklebee. Their newfound respect for each other. The “fellow soldiers” comment by Huck. their refusal to go after each other. We saw his little photo congatulating the gov on his win in Iowa. He looked like Dr. Evil as a plan was coming to fruition. Why else is he in there?
PowWow on January 8, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Fred’s best hope is no clear winner and a brokered convention. In a brokered convention with no clear leader, all bets are off; Fred could literally end up the nominee, simply from not ticking off any given group and being most solid on the issues. A slim hope, but there it is; a VP offering is more likely. It’s the angle he may have been playing the entire time.
michaelo on January 8, 2008 at 11:35 AM
What an unenlightened comment. Many evangelicals rightly believe their beliefs and way of life is constantly attacked, so it is only natural for them to rally around one of their own. Thanks for contributing to their anxiety.
I’m an evangelical who neither believes in the rapture nor supports the Huckster. And there are many more like me.
Go Fred Go
flyfisher on January 8, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Bingo!
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 11:36 AM
But what about McCain on guns?
And he’s been frustrating on other issues for some time…
So if it’s McCain or Huckabee, I think Huckabee would come out on top.
Your Jewish Master on January 8, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I haven’t seen any great fondness between McCain and Huckabee.
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 11:37 AM
My order of preference is
Fred
Rudy
Mitt
(I’m not wedded to any of the top three, although Fred is preferred in a perfect world)
St. John(way, way down the list)
Huck-never
It’s also time to face reality, I guess so I’ll say it. Yeah, I think he should step aside. I fear Huck more than I like Fred.
a capella on January 8, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Fred’s hurting Romney by staying in the race. Fred’s the only conservative left, other than Hunter, in the race and Romney’s the next most conservative of the pack.
Fred’s not about to let the media force him out of the race. If he were to withdraw, it won’t be until after Super Tuesday. There’s so much speculation about the two races, it’s similar to a bunch of football fans speculating who’s the best team.
I wish the MSM would just shut up for awhile and let the voters do their thing. Then, just report on what the voters did. Wouldn’t that be refreshing?
orlandocajun on January 8, 2008 at 11:38 AM
I think that’s really what you meant.
flipflop on January 8, 2008 at 11:38 AM
That’s because you’re assuming I meant my statement as 100% historical fact. My point wasn’t that he’s never won an election in his political history. My point is that he doesn’t do process, and he doesn’t win the election.
Sorry if there was a disconnect, as it’s something my family has always used. It was along the lines of…hard to explain. Let me set this up:
Father: Eat or your beans or you don’t go to the mall.
Son: I don’t eat beans.
Father: You don’t go to the malls either.
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Just watch 5 minutes on any news channel.
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 11:39 AM
The real question here is if Huckabee/Thompson/McCain supporters will support whomever ultimately becomes the GOP nominee (because it ain’t going to be any of them). I’m thinking that one of these bridesmaids will ultimately be the VP nominee and Thompson is the most likely of the three because he’s the least objectionable to the greatest number of voters.
As to the question if Thompson is helping Huckabee, Good Grief! Today is only the second primary and everybody is acting like the election is all but over after tonight. The time to start playing the “strategic alliance” game is a few weeks off yet.
highhopes on January 8, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Anyone who thinks Fred still has a shot should buy his intrade contracts, which currently trade a $2, lower than even Ron Paul. Still if his dropping out helps McCain, I’d rather he stay in in the hopes that either Rudy or Mitt can take the nomination.
phronesis on January 8, 2008 at 11:39 AM
With Rush close to endorsing him, calling Fred a true conservative and calling McCain everything but, I don’t see how Fred could endorse McCain, regardless of what the conventional wisdom says he’d do if he pulled out.
Extraneus on January 8, 2008 at 11:40 AM
I want Fred to win, so of course he should stay in. However, I also believe Fred will siphon votes that might go to Huck throughout the South. So, if for no other reason, he should stay in.
flyfisher on January 8, 2008 at 11:41 AM
JM I haven’t really seen or heard anything pretaining to Huck and “guns” unlike McCranky.
Has anyone heard or seen anything concerning guns and Huck?
upinak on January 8, 2008 at 11:41 AM
I think, and like you this is only my opinion, that the relationship between Huck and McCain is a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” deal. McCain is OK on taxes (I think) and Huck is not. Huck is now trying to go for the anti-anchor baby vote, while McCain sticks to his compassion policy toward illegals. McCain is tough on bad guys and Huck lets them out of prison to rape and murder innocents.
Huck is the enemy. He is the worst thing that could happen to this country this side of the dems. We need to stop him in the primaries so we don’t have to choke back our vomit if we have to vote for him in November.
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 11:41 AM
If the race was closer, I might agree. I just see no way for Fred to make it close enough in SC to make it worth staying in. He really should start thinking about what it’s going to take to beat Obama.
flipflop on January 8, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Bingo.
wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I believe he’s a concealed carry permit holder who always received good ratings from the NRA. Not sure, but then again guns aren’t my number one issue.
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Ditto. Fred should drop out (considering he has no shot due to being a lousy campaigner) and let Romney win.
If Fred wants a legacy he should endorse Romney or drop out otherwise Huck or McCain will cost us for years to come.
CABE on January 8, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Second Amendmen is about freedom, not about hunting. (Aug 2007)
Owns firearms; enjoys hunting; supports 2nd amendment. (Jan 2007)
Supports self-defense and `castle doctrine’. (Jan 2006)
Allow concealed carry. (Nov 2002)
http://www.issues2000.org/Mike_Huckabee.htm#Gun_Control
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 11:45 AM
The same goes for Fred’s supporters who would likely vote Romney if they didn’t back Fred. The only way to stop McCain and Huckabee is to help Mitt.
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 11:46 AM
This is just like back when they were telling us we HAD to get behind Rudy if we didn’t want a less desirable candidate to win.
Baraka on January 8, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Let’s face it folks: we’re in a rebuilding year. I think this year is all about playing defense. We need to keep Hillary/Barack out of the White House. It’s McCain or Huckabee, take your pick. No one else can win the general election.
I don’t believe for a moment that electing someone to the left of the party ideal (Rudy, Huck or McCain) destroys the party. We’ll survive. The reality is, true conservatives need to work hard for the next 4 years to find an authentic conservative who can get votes from independents.
Somewhere in America, there must be a true conservative, with leadership experience, traditional values, a consistent record, and an electable personality who has the passion to campaign tirelessly. We NEED to find that guy before 2011.
In the mean time, hold your nose and pick your least objectionable centrist. Those of you who promise to stay home unless Fred gets the nod need to grow up.
cameron on January 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Idealistic politics aside, I can’t abide a Huck or McCain victory. I like Fred’s views, and strongly oppose his complete disconnection from reality. I think Mitt’s a good chance against the greater evils, at least until the media decides to turn on him. Go Mitt, beat McHuckaShamnesty?
blankminde on January 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Speaking as somebody who intends to vote for Fred, whether he is on the ballot or not come time for Georgia to vote. If the Huckster winds up somehow getting the Republican nomination then I will, for the first time in 30 years sit out the general election. I will be left choosing between a candidate who will surrender immediately or a candidate who will surrender piece meal to the Islamic horde.
Just A Grunt on January 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM
They are not mine either, but it is always good to know who is for and against what.
I hold a a permit (finally got it I should say) for a concealed, as it is my right. Though I am not fond of those who want to take my rights away from me.
upinak on January 8, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Well, we can all sort it out at yet another debate this coming Thursday.
wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 11:48 AM
The difference between McCain and the Huckster. McCain would allow an invasion from the south only. Huckchuck would allow it from all sides.
Just A Grunt on January 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM
I’ve voted straight GOP ticket for 45 years and don’t want to have to make a choice between Huck and Obama in the general. Because I will vote for the Democrat for the first time in my life. And, yes, I read the headline article about how Obama got his start. I’ll take my poison in one gulp, not small sips.
a capella on January 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM
People might be interested in looking at these crosstabs of the polling in SC:
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c545964a-6c4c-4753-93de-04c12afb3975
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM
I have really warmed up to the idea of Fred as VP. It mitigates all my concerns about him being able to handle the pressures and speed of the job while putting him in a great position to throw Federalist/Conservative thought in the POTUS’s ear all the time. Like I was joking the other day, it puts him in the best position to lobby the President.
Spirit of 1776 on January 8, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Thanks bnelson, but I still don’t care for Huck. It only brought him up a point in my book.
upinak on January 8, 2008 at 11:50 AM
You are right about Huck and guns. I’ve got to give him credit where credit is due. Huck has always been great on the 2nd Amendment. He is certainly better than any of the other candidates. When he spoke to the NRA in September many said he was far and away the best. When talking about guns he speaks with passion and authenticity because he really believes it (contrast that with his rhetoric on illegals.)
Go Fred Go!
flyfisher on January 8, 2008 at 11:51 AM
That’s the second hypothetical by Allah in a week where Rudy gets 0%. He is still in the race and still pulling at least 10% in SC.
tommylotto on January 8, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Sorry, I meant that more as don’t just take my word for it because I don’t keep track of this stuff all that well. I probably should, but…
It’s a very small point for Huckabee, but not enough to overcome his many, many faults as a candidate.
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 11:51 AM
The evangelicals supporting Huck don’t care about the constitution, so no I don’t care about their anxiety. The constitution forbids a religious test and it is a good idea for us all to adopt. The constitution, in this country is more important than any particular religious faith. It is those types of evangelicals that are fracturing the conservative movement because they have no need for those who don’t adopt their belief system. So I don’t give a rats ass about the evangelicals and their lifestyle.
Calm down and get off the cross. I never equated all evangelicals to the dopes that are supporting Huck. And since you are in with those religious crackpots, it’s up to you to reason with them. I expect you to be criticizing any pastor who preaches the politics of religious preferences over constitutional equality.
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Hey Allah- the question is- Where do you go when your guy Romney drops out???
All this slammin’ on Fred ain’t workin’. Fred’s not goin’ nowhere. I’m bettin’ Mitt’s out before Fred.
Then what do you do? Support McAmnesty????
Ex-tex on January 8, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Good link. Interesting poll. Look’s like Huck’s base is actually helium.
wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Anyone supporting Huck fits that bill!
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 11:54 AM
True, but that’s not Hot Air’s fault.
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I thought Allah stated he was pulling the lever for Fred when the time comes?
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM
I bet ya it will be Rudy LOL
upinak on January 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Very interesting link. Looks like he’s got the largest number of “mind made up” voters at 39%.
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Where do you even come up with this stuff?!? There has been just as much Mitt bashing as Fred bashing here. Also, Mitt has TONS of money, is leading in the delegate count, will be leading in the total votes cast count tonight, is placing well, and is polling high nationally. He won’t be “out” for a long, long time to come.
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Ummm- No. Allah said he’s not pullin’ the lever for anyone.
Ex-tex on January 8, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Hmmm…then again, Huckabee also has a huge number of “Could change mind” voters at 33%
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Would McCain pick Fred as VP?
McCain plays pres for 4 years.
Fred runs as Pres in 2012.
I’m beginning to hate them all.
How ’bout someone cool like: MIKE PENCE, ADAM PUTMAM, JOHN BOLTON !
stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Yeah, if I had to vote, I’d vote for Fred. Ex-Tex simply can’t fathom that I’m able to separate what I wish were true from what actually is true. I.e., I wish Fred had a chance, but he doesn’t.
Allahpundit on January 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM
As a Thompson supporter myself, I would vote for any of the Republican candidates except Huckabee. If Huckabee were to win the nomination, I would either vote Democrat, so that it will be a Dem that screws the country worse than W’s compassionate conservatism has (economically that is, I like the national security aspect of W), or would try to find a viable 3rd party candidate.
Pro life and gay marriage are personally the two issues I care the least about. I’m a FiCon who also wants to see border security and strong national defense, and thoser are much more serious issue to me than any SoCon issue.
RobTN on January 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Good night! Huck is picking up 0ver 50% of the Black vote!? And along the ideological lines he gets over 50% of the “Liberal” vote!?
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM
He also has the largest number of “could change mind” voters at 33%. It’s a double-edged sword.
If Fred could score a “memorable campaign moment” at the Huckster’s expense, all things are possible.
wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM
And McCain’s is Democrats and Independents, am I reading this right?
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 11:59 AM
WHAT??? If those two are the choices I’m not only sitting out…I’m dropping out of the party. No words can describe my dissatisfaction with Huck and McCain.
CABE on January 8, 2008 at 11:59 AM
csdeven, All I would ask is that you not cast your net quite so wide. Evangelicals are not a monolithic group any more than Irish Catholics or Jews are monolithic groups. I didn’t bring religion into the discussion, you did. I am not on the cross (thankfully, I never have to go there because Someone else went there for me).
Also, thanks for clarifying. Now that I know you are a bigot who thinks anyone of faith is a religious crackpot, I will assume you are a sad, angry, self-absorbed little man (like all the agnostics I know).
Actually, I don’t know that at all do I? I am just demonstrating the ridiculousness of trying to force everyone into your preconceived little boxes.
flyfisher on January 8, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Dude- do you have anthing better to do than to stalk my comments?? Everytime I post- you’re right there sayin’ somethin stupid right behind me. Stop it.
We know you’re a Mitt-en- We know I’m a Fredneck. Ya got nothin’ to prove here.
Ex-tex on January 8, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Do you foresee anything that could change that?
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 12:00 PM
One thing missed here is SC has polled high in their ‘important’ issues as being strong against illegal immigration on their radar.
Huck has a lot of support of the Evangelical vote and now all of a sudden he come out for an Amendment to stop Anchor Babies which defies some of his other stuff on this issue. Really looks like he is doing that only to up is appeal in SC because that would be a major fight to get through congress. I also see a lot of that as also being ‘window dressing’ of his support for the Fair Tax.
CommentGuy on January 8, 2008 at 12:01 PM
That’s my precious little pessimist. *pinches Allah’s cheek*
MadisonConservative on January 8, 2008 at 12:01 PM
These are black republicans. I bet most of them are evangelicals.
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I know you asked this of AP, but my take is that Fred needs to score a knockout blow on the Huckster soon. Real soon.
wccawa on January 8, 2008 at 12:02 PM
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