Huge Democratic turnout in New Hampshire = Mitt upset in the making?
posted at 1:55 pm on January 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Confederate Yankee beat me to it. Maverick needs independents to win. Does he have them? Maybe not:
Of course, if they do all break for Obama and McCain still wins, the loss is that much more devastating for Romney, proving that he can’t even beat Mac head to head on a vote among the base.
I’m wondering now just how bad it might get for Hillary. What if she loses by 20 points? Who’ll be left tomorrow who believes in her, besides Billy Jeff? And you get the sense that even he’d be supporting Obama if he wasn’t, you know, obliged.
Exit question for the Fredheads, with whom my love/hate relationship continues: Which noted media apologist, blind to the conspiracy to torpedo Fred, said this?
If and when the Fred campaign finally calls it quits, there will be no one to blame but the candidate and his top advisers who blew it with spurned diehards ready and willing–but unable–to help.
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We’re all out of Democrat ballots…
We’re going to have to start limiting them to one per voter!
saint kansas on January 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Drudge has nice picture of McCain holding up a sign that reads “Stop Global Warming” Give us back our seasons.
Just one more reason not to vote for him.
Just A Grunt on January 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM
I never trust that source! /kidding
Spirit of 1776 on January 8, 2008 at 2:00 PM
sigh
stlpatriot on January 8, 2008 at 2:00 PM
all your democrat ballots are belong to us
bigbeas on January 8, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Senator McCain:
Stop Global warming! Just Shut up! Please.
woodswalking1 on January 8, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Shaheen-mania…..
cherokeejeff on January 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM
I’m pleasantly [not really] surprised [really] that they’ve figured out how to cast a vote.
OhEssYouCowboys on January 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM
If McCain fails to win, his concession speech, “F*** you!”
jawbone on January 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Now let’s not get hasty. I’m sure this record turnout is made up of Clinton supporters, moved by the tears of their leader and wanting to prove the media wrong.
Heaven help me, I’m going to enjoy watching her concession speech.
Again.
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM
I wish they would just have the election tomorrow, and then cryogenically freeze the winner until thawed out in January. But none of that Ted Williams cut the head off stuff…
Mister Ghost on January 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Fox’s poll said the Independents were going to break around 60/40 or so. Is there a reason we think the increased turnout is Inds and not just Dems? Obama showed in Iowa that he could do the impossible and bring out the youth vote in droves. Maybe more of the same plus that 10+/- difference in Indies.
Spirit of 1776 on January 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Go Mitt.
I got a feeling Hillary might win this one. Anyone agree?
CABE on January 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM
im in ur precincts, using up all ur ballots
James on January 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM
One big moment for the cameras and the soundbite media, Fred. Just one. Please….I’m begging you.
And no crying.
World B. Free on January 8, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I’ll admit, that stung a little bit.
someguy on January 8, 2008 at 2:05 PM
McCain, Obama, Clinton, Edwards the Independents have 4 viable Democrat candidates
Just A Grunt on January 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Best post of the day on HotAir, it was first for a reason. Well done Saint K.
lan astaslem on January 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Newt has to be kicking himself right now.
moughon on January 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Even if Romney comes in 2nd, he still leads in delegates, money, and numbers of people voting for him total. He is placing well in every state and doesn’t use a tag team partner like Huckabee and McCain do. Go Mitt!
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Eligible voter population of NH equals what?
Total number of votes cast equals what?
Maybe some of those folks Hillary bussed in to attend her events stuck around a little longer.
Just A Grunt on January 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Do I have your word on that!? As much as I hate when women cry (honestly being a woman it annoys me to no end) this might be something to watch, depending on the time she does it… due to the demographics.
upinak on January 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Mitt Mitt Mitt!
Richard Bushnell on January 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM
I dont have a problem with critisms of Fred. Im not like a Ron Paul supporter who blindly follows a candidate.
Fred screwed up. He jumped in to late and has been out of politics too long. He learned what others have learned it takes time and money to build an effective campaign. Fred had too little of both to run too effectively. Here is hope he gets his act together and wins but if he doesnt lets home if he runs again he learned from this experience
I’d like to point out that the biggest flop hasnt been Fred its been Mitt Romney. This guy has been campaining for years and spending millions. And he will likely finish 2 in both Iowa and New Hampshire. Both times to guys who spent less time and money than he did. That shows how weak a candidate Mitt is. He is the one who had the advantages and is still losing.
William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 2:10 PM
If they are out of Demballots=Mitt wins=McCain is gone as this week
ConservativePartyNow on January 8, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Us Fred!heads KNOW his campaign has been run poorly, no news there.
I hope he’s still in it so I can vote for Fred! on Feb. 5th…..
omnipotent on January 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Nope as a Fred supporter I now accept the fate. It sucks, I gave him everything I had and he wont return anything. Just a little friggin energy Fred.
broker1 on January 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Mitt is the biggest flop (on our side) indeed.
For a savvy businessman, he REALLY gets poor returns for his $ spent.
omnipotent on January 8, 2008 at 2:14 PM
He has not run a poor camapign, but a campaign in the way he has run before and won.
And keep faith, he will still be here to vote for on Feb 5th
ConservativePartyNow on January 8, 2008 at 2:14 PM
I can haz cheezburger and ballot now
PowWow on January 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Isn’t anyone taking exit polls?
MB4 on January 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM
They’re *snicker* keeping them under lock and key for real this year.
Meaning we’ll probably see them on Drudge in the next hour or so.
Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 2:16 PM
I really don’t understand this argument at all. He had no name recognition, but he managed to raise a ton of money and go buy some name recognition to the point he was even top of a national poll a few days ago. How is that a failure again?
Spirit of 1776 on January 8, 2008 at 2:17 PM
I have seen nothing since that early Dixville Notch routine.
PowWow on January 8, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Why?
stenwin77 on January 8, 2008 at 2:19 PM
I’ve stayed out of the Fred! frackus up until now but the time is approaching, perhaps after the SC primary, when Fred should pack it up and endorse… Romney.
CliffHanger on January 8, 2008 at 2:19 PM
If McCain wins, by however small a margin, the media will portray him as the new frontrunner and favorite. If Romney wins, however large OR small, the media will will portray this as a hollow victory, something he should have won anyway and thus really lost.
Darksean on January 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM
First, Fred won’t get the nomination. Some day the Fredheads on here will wake up to that fact. Second, I know I would rather have a candidate who got right on the issues than one like Huckabee or McCain who still defend their liberal positions. Go Mitt!
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Wow, that sounds exactly like a certain commenter at HA has been saying for a while now.
I wonder who it could be.
Jar my memory.
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BKennedy on January 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Not that I know of.
amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 2:21 PM
defeat Mcshamnesty? please please please
Tacitus on January 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM
That’s what I’m talking about. Some common sense.
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM
rooting for a Mitt and Hillary upset win
and sad that neither will happen =(
Drunk Report on January 8, 2008 at 2:23 PM
I just don`t know, Mitt seems like a good guy. But I have this feeling that the country has it in there heads if they switch parties in the White House, it`ll all be sweetness and light.
Mitt might win, but as I noted in another post, does it matter?
ThePrez on January 8, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Mitt is awesome…NH and IA do not make up the entire primary race. The MSM wants anyone thinking of voting for Mitt to THINK they are voting for a loser to STOP them from voting for him, because they the liberal McCain. Mitt has more delegates, more money, more stamina, more appeal and most importantly, the best platform. He’s not dropping out. And despite the MSM’s love affair with Obama, Mitt can beat him, I mean Obama doesn’t even have enough sense to put his hand over his heart when the national anthem is being played. Even if Mitt doesn’t win in NH, he’ll keep going, and he should. Goooooo Mitt!
JustTruth101 on January 8, 2008 at 2:25 PM
I have to say that I very nearly went with Fred this morning – I mean, actually had the pen over the Thompson circle and having a serious internal debate whether or not to go with him. Both my wife and I loved his performance in this past week-end’s debates (she’s a relitive neophyte to politics, but remarked on how he seemed to be the only one relaxed and not spinning), but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. Like the quote on Michelle’s site said, if he can’t manage his campaign, how can he manage the country?
If he gets his act together, cleans up in the South, and grabs the nomination, I’ll be very happy. But I couldn’t bring myself to vote for him, even though my gut was telling me that he lines up with just about everything I believe in. The logical part of my brain just wouldn’t let me do it.
crazy_legs on January 8, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Go Mitt!! Go Mitt!! You can do it!!
MorningStar on January 8, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Fred was my first choice, too…but he just didn’t pay enough attention to what he needed to do to win early on, when he had so many backers ready, willing and able to make him the frontrunner. Timing is important in decision making.
JustTruth101 on January 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM
If you don’t mind me asking, who did you vote for?
CliffHanger on January 8, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Fred’s my guy strictly on substance. I also like that he dislikes the media as much as he does, but you have to have the talking heads talking favorable about you to the American public to know about you. Huckabee and McCain are two cases in point. Thompson may well be in his element doing the retail politics he’s taking from Iowa to South Carolina and Rush can influence only so much, and it sounds like the Huckabee supporters he is trying to convince aren’t interested in hearing it.
One thing that other campaigns do well is get their advisors on television to talk up their candidate while talking down about the others. Fred could still stay above the fray and not have his people talk negatively, but would be even better to have his people on the air talking positively about him.
With that said, he’s the first candidate I’ve ever given money to and will be with him to the bitter end. I can’t say the same thing about the Republican party though depending on who the nominee is.
SECOND LOOK AT A NEW FICON/NEOCON PARTY?
RobTN on January 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM
And we can no longer give them to dead people and illegal aliens.
aero on January 8, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Mitt.
crazy_legs on January 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM
FWIW, this is the dynamic I speculated about on Saturday (noting the shared interest and that Mitt and Obama were mighty chummy on-stage), foretold last night (noting how the early, irrelevant returns up near Canada saw independents overwhelming voting Dem), and reaffirmed this morning, (based in part on the elderly-friendly weather and seniors being far and away Mitt’s best demo).
flip on January 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM
The main problem I’ve had with the Bush administration is their failure to effectively communicate with the American people. If Fred can’t seem to get himself elected as POTUS (even though he’d be the best option), I would be willing to settle for a Romney/Thompson ticket.
Go Fred (holding my breath)
sleepy-beans on January 8, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Though I do think he’s been treated unfairly by the media and punditry, I can’t disagree.
However I still reserve the right to blame modern voters for being shallow and more enamoured with style over substance though.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 2:43 PM
1.3 Mil population in NH
800k eligible voters.
As stated by Gov. Lynch (D-NH) this morning on C-Span.
rslancer14 on January 8, 2008 at 2:45 PM
If he actually had the integrity you folks believe he has. But we all know he’s going to back his boy McShamnesty.
Patriot33 on January 8, 2008 at 2:45 PM
On the GOP side, I’m not sure anyone will drop out until after Feb 5th and maybe not until March. With wins scattered across so many candidates, one can go to basic life support and hold out in hopes of enough delegates to be a factor in a brokered convention.
michaelo on January 8, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Stage 5 is comforting isn’t it. I prefer to go straight to stage five and skip the rest. So if it appears that the dems are gonna win it all, expect a real quick resolute attitude from me.
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM
heh heh heh….
all your precincts are belong to us!
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM
If Thompson drops out and endorses McCain then those who are so steadfastly supporting Fred now will look very foolish indeed.
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM
crazy_legs on January 8, 2008 at 2:26 PM
JustTruth101 on January 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Proof right there that both of you are more concerned about the process than you are about electing the true conservative in the race. Yeah, I’m a newbie and a Fredhead. I will support Fred until he’s out of the race or wins. I’m not going to fall back on one of the RINOs in the race either. If Fred doesn’t win then I will vote him as a write in in the general, unless Huck gets the nod and then I will vote Demoncrat cause there is no way I want another 4 years of blame for running a democrat administration under the auspices of a Republican president!
ihasurnominashun on January 8, 2008 at 2:56 PM
would love to see Mitt and Duncan.
MarkB on January 8, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Someone set us up the Obomb-a!
BKennedy on January 8, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Not really. For all McCain’s many, many faults, he’s better on fiscal policy than Mitt, who is another big government “compassionate conservative”. Probably better on defense too.
Not that I’d vote for either one.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 3:00 PM
New Hampshire may mean a lot for Obama and the Dem race, but it has little importance in the Republican race. If Mitt wins, it could help him in later states, but a loss doesn’t mean much.
My prediction: Obama will bury Clinton and be propelled to win the Dem nomination. McCain will win today, but he will sink in subsequent contests. The Republican race will boil down to a contest between Romney and Gulianni. I think that either one of them can give Obama a run for his money in the general election.
During the longer and more brutal campaign for the general election, Obama’s youth and inexperience will be exploited and he will become vulnerable to being undone in the eyes of the American people. However, even if Obama wins, his inexperience and lack of any significant political machinery behind him will create a grid-locked government for the next four years. Most of his ideas for “change” are too radical to be implemented in fours years with an evenly divided Congress. He will either have to moderate his approach or face certain defeat in 2012. However, moderating his approach will risk losing voting groups that supported him this time around. Either way, I think that will make him a one-term wonder.
NuclearPhysicist on January 8, 2008 at 3:04 PM
All these yoyos who keep crying because Fred hasn’t donned a straw hat and danced with a cane… please grow up and try to focus on what’s really essential. We’re trying to elect a national executive.If you want to see energy-on-display, go to the circus (well, okay, hard to tell the difference between that and our primary process, but you get the idea).
fabrexe on January 8, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Surely you jest. McCain refused to support tax cuts. He probably knows one tenth what Mitt does about economics and fiscal policy. Mitt is on record as wanting to slash away every unnecessary part of the federal government.
davenp35 on January 8, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Mitt easily beats McCain on pretty much every issue. In fact, as I understand it , Romney never once caved to the Vietnamese.
Should he lose, I can just see Romney sitting in a corner mumbling, “Oh, Manchester, so much to answer for…”
emailnuevo on January 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Hollowpoint is clearly a Huckabee supporter.
CABE on January 8, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Obama probably reminds Clinton of his younger self, only without as much experience. At least that is how I see it. Obama has the charm and eloquence, but not much experience and a rather liberal track record.
Snidely Whiplash on January 8, 2008 at 3:12 PM
By the way, to all NH voters:
McCain? Were you asleep during the shamnesty debacle? Don’t you care about campaign finance reform (1st Amendment infringements are apparently minor transgressions – I guess it’s just “live sorta free or, you know, move”)?
WAKE UP.
emailnuevo on January 8, 2008 at 3:13 PM
When you start running out of ballots for Dems, it’s time to just let the legals vote, and the dead rest as well.
Hening on January 8, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Don’t worry about the Ballots guys…Obama will walk on water to get you new ones…I’ve seen him do it. My god this country is so stupid. This guy is dangerous.
tomas on January 8, 2008 at 3:16 PM
I’m not going to conclude anything concerning Fred’s viability until after SC. And I will wait at least one week to see if the overall character of his campaign changes with a new strat. leading up to SC. This Fredhead came late, and I’m not going to jump ship for Mitt quite yet.
Weight of Glory on January 8, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Actually he’s a Fredhead. BUT, when Fred bails out he should go over to Huck since Huck is best on the 2nd amendment. He has/had a rep for being a single issue 2nd voter. Not sure where he’s at now though.
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 3:19 PM
No, I don’t jest. I disagree with McCain’s refusal to support the tax cut, but also understand his argument for doing so- he wanted it tied to spending cuts.
Mitt vaguely claims that he’d cut programs and spending, but whenever you get to specifics he goes the opposite route- ag subsidies, “investment” in the auto industry, Medicare Reform Act, home forclosures, education, energy independance- his solution always seems to be throwing federal dollars at the problem.
GW Bush also ran as a fiscal conservative who’d cut spending while also being a “compassionate conservative”. The result was tax cuts but also massive spending increases. Every indication Mitt has given is that he comes from the same mold.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 3:21 PM
That first part was completely disgusting and unneccesary. McCain may have crap for policies and consistency, but he is still an American war hero who was shot down and tortured in a war that, just like this one, the Democrats are doing everything in their power to lose.
BKennedy on January 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM
As long as Fred is on the ballot I will vote for him. Why should I vote for a second or third choice when I can vote for my first choice?
Rose on January 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM
I assume you are new and if so, welcome to HA. Please know that we do get pretty exercised here, but that was more KOS like than HA like.
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 3:25 PM
You are clearly ignorant of my position.
I will not vote for Huckster if he’s the nominee. Not that it matters, because he’s even more unelectable than Mitt.
I do find it amusing though when Mormons who are behind Mitt (approximately 103% seem to be) cry about the evangelicals who are supporting Huckabee as being “bigots” for taking religion into account though. Similarly I find it hypocritical that some of the same people who complain about Huckster’s blatant flip-flopping and pandering are willing to give Mitt a complete pass on doing much the same thing.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I’m a Romney supporter but I have to agree….that McCain-Vietnamese insult was low.
CABE on January 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Some funnies (not being particular here just for fun)
Mitt
Mitt Romney may run for president. Some wonder if a Mormon could be elected president. I think he’d make a fine president. He’d be standing up there with his 18 first ladies.”–Jay Leno, “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,” Nov. 28, 2006
Mitt Romney said the other night at the debates that he’s the one of all the candidates who is the most optimistic about the future. Well, there’s a shock — a rich, white guy with $200 million in the bank. What’s everyone worried about?”–Jay Leno, Oct. 11, 2007
Hillary
Presidential candidate Barack Obama … went door to door in Iowa over the weekend to talk about his opposition to the war and gain votes. Hillary Clinton also went door to door–not looking for votes, trying to find her husband.”–Jay Leno, “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,” Oct. 16, 2007
“Last night during the Democratic presidential debate, Senator Barack Obama accused Hillary Clinton of frequently changing positions. After hearing this, Bill Clinton said, ‘I wish.’”–Conan O’Brien on “Late Night with Conan O’Brien,” Oct. 31, 2007
Fred
“There were times when Thompson looked like a bystander when Romney and Giuliani were going at each other. See, I don’t think Fred understands how these debates work. Like he went backstage and asked the producers, ‘I need more lines.’”–Jay Leno, “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,” Oct. 10, 2007
McCain
“Rudy Giuliani and John McCain have teamed up to attack Mitt Romney. See, you need two people to attack Romney — one for each of his positions on the issue. … Political experts are saying that Giuliani and McCain could be the Republican ticket. Or, a remake of ‘Grumpy Old Men’”–Jay Leno, “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,” Oct. 16, 2007
Huckabee
“During last night’s Republican debate, Mike Huckabee got a big laugh when he said that Congress has been spending money like John Edwards at a beauty salon. Then Huckabee got an even bigger laugh when he said he’s running for president.”–Conan O’Brien, “Late Night with Conan O’Brien,” May, 16, 2007
Edwards
“This week, a spokesman for John Edwards is accusing Barack Obama of stealing John Edwards’ ideas. See, apparently Obama has got a secret plan to slip into third place.”–Jay Leno, Oct. 5, 2007
Rudy
“Here’s what I don’t understand: Rudolph Giuliani had three wives and he’s not the Mormon candidate?”–David Letterman, “The Late Show with David Letterman,” Oct. 10, 2007
William Amos on January 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM
A rep in a demographic that includes csdeven and only csdeven. You’re the only one I’m aware of to make that false claim.
You are far more a single minded than I, even if you refuse to acknowledge it.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Well I guess we are now seeing that Hussein Obama is a more dangerous opponent than Hitlery. My question is: should we wait until he gets the dem nom to start telling the truth about him or should we start now? I move for now. Dems like him and not all dems like Hitlery. If independents like him we’re screwed. I recently watched Hussein Obama’s speech about religion where Obama says “America is no longer a Christian nation…WE ARE A MUSLIM NATION and buddhist nation etc.”
I understand what is happening now and am now convinced that Mike Huckabee is the only one who can defeat Hussein Obama.
If Hussein O is elected say goodbye to gun rights, a prosperous economy, a successful military, the capitalist system, American sovereignty and any hope of a secure border.
HaraldHardrada on January 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM
I find your generalizations amusing as well.
CABE on January 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM
To a rational mind, the voting laws in Iowa and New Hampshire make any outcome meaningless.
jukin on January 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM
I don’t understand those who characterize spending under Bush as “massive”. When you consider the recession that he inherited from Clinton and the unanticipated costs necessary to wage the war on terrorism, the current spending, when compared to a percentage of GDP, is not bad and compares favorably with what we experienced during the Reagan years. I’m not saying that he couldn’t or shouldn’t have been better in the area of fiscal restraint, but the glass is more than half-full rather than half-empty. Anyway, significantly reducing spending in this country will take much more than a willing chief executive. It will take a sea change in the thinking of the American electorate and the representatives that they send to Washington.
NuclearPhysicist on January 8, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Didn’t you make almost this exact post a few days ago that I refuted? Again, I support Mitt Romney and am not LDS. I do so because I recognize he is our best candidate, as a conservative and as a campaigner.
The difference between what you claim is “103% of Mormons” (not at all true first of all, but interesting to see it went up 1% in two days), these same people who vote for Mitt would not vote AGAINST someone else who reflects their values on the basis of religion, unlike plenty of your evangelical buddies. That is bigotry, intolerant, and un-American and has no place in this process, and the fact that you keep spinning and defending it makes me think you’re a wee bit sensitive on the subject…perhaps you’re one of them?
Patriot33 on January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Um… no. I’m concerned about a) keeping the nomination away from Huck and McCain, and b) voting for the most viable conservative candidate so as to not split the vote and give the nomination to Huck or McCain by default. If Mitt had a little more balance in the one-party Mass legislature the “flip-flopping” allegations wouldn’t have even entered into the discussion.
crazy_legs on January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM
I agree with crazy-legs. If Mitt had been the Governor of a conservative state, we wouldn’t be having a discussion about him flip-flopping. The fundamental thing that all politicians must do is to work within the system that they govern. Otherwise, they have no chance of being elected or of accomplishing anything. Conservative politicians working in a conservative environment is easy. Conservative politicians working in a liberal environment to effect some kind of positive change is hard. I give Mitt credit for trying to nudge a liberal state into more conservative territory. We need more politicians like him in the more liberals areas of this country.
NuclearPhysicist on January 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Hey, you started it last spring. You said your bottom line was the 2nd. If that isn’t your position now, then that’s fine.
I did say I wasn’t sure where you were at now.
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Voting for one candidate = not voting for another candidate.
The evangelicals who voted for Huckabee because they see him as “one of us” weren’t necessarily voting against Romney because he’s Mormon. To suggest otherwise you’d have to believe that the Mormons who voted for Romney because he’s “one of us” were voting against the other candidates because they’re not Mormon.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 4:08 PM
That’s incorrect. Fred is a true conservative, but he made a bad decision to get into the race so late. He lost his opportunity to harness the tidal wave of support building for him. Instead of taking the most likely path to success, he waited, and missed his chance. What if he does that in sensitive negotiations with a foreign nation, or fails to harness public support for an important domestic policy decision? That is a chance I am unwilling to take.
Mitt, however, has been working steadily and tirelessly toward the goal for a long time. I appreciate his work ethic and agree with his policy positions.
JustTruth101 on January 8, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Mr. Physicist, The problem with someone who is used to working with liberals is that they may be too quick to compromise conservative principles in order to get things done. We don’t want someone who will compromise on Supreme Court nominees because they find that to be the easiest way to get one through congress. We want someone who will fight and never give in if the compromise would lead the country further left.
Rose on January 8, 2008 at 4:15 PM
I’ve always said that 2nd Amendment issues were important to me, but never that it was my deciding one. That you simply made up after I criticised Mitt for his eagerness to pass a federal “assault weapon” ban.
Hollowpoint on January 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM
I so want Mitt to take this one, but I’m afraid it’s not in the cards. :(
Ludwig on January 8, 2008 at 4:23 PM
That’d be great.
Or, Romney/Steele.
BacaDog on January 8, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Are you really trying to tell me that anti-mormon sentiment isn’t quite strong among evangelical ranks, and that it had nothing to do with the religious-baiting “Christian leader” surging and beating him in Iowa? Really? Because like I’ve said, I don’t have to even leave this site to show you the tripe that’s been said about Mitt Romney/his religion over the past year. Just because everyone else has grown sick of it and called it out, and that the “Faith in America” speech cooled things down publicly, does not mean that this sentiment somehow vanished and these people are suddenly open to voting for a Mormon. (This is not to say all or even probably a majority of evangelicals think this way, but a large enough number to potentially derail Romney’s campaign. But to say it’s a non factor is ludicrous.)
Patriot33 on January 8, 2008 at 4:25 PM
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