Audio: TNR editor pores through the archives of Ron Paul’s newsletters; Update: TNR article now available; Update: PJM has more; Update: Ron Paul responds
posted at 1:04 pm on January 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It’s James Kirchick, who earned the wrath of the blogosphere’s resident Conservative of Doubt a few months ago by daring to criticize Paul for pocketing campaign cash donated by known Nazis. Curious as to how Paul assembled such a jolly constituency of white supremacists, Truthers, et al., Kirchick went hunting for Paul’s old newsletters and found copies in a pair of university libraries. Or so he says — supposedly they’re being published on TNR sometime today. Reserve judgment until you can read them for yourself, as they simply can’t be as brutally bad as Kirchick makes them out to be. For one thing, if they were, Paul could never have gotten elected to Congress; for another thing, it is, after all, TNR. And yet Kirchick’s obviously confident enough in what he found to go on the air here with Gibby and make accusations. It’s nine minutes plus but bear with it. Devastating.
Update: Lest there be any confusion, Kirchick isn’t the editor of TNR. (We know who that is.) He’s the assistant to the editor.
Update: Here’s Kirchick’s report. Transcripts of the newsletters should be available on the site soon.
[W]hoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul’s name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him–and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing–but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics…
Paul’s campaign wants to depict its candidate as a naïve, absentee overseer, with minimal knowledge of what his underlings were doing on his behalf. This portrayal might be more believable if extremist views had cropped up in the newsletters only sporadically–or if the newsletters had just been published for a short time. But it is difficult to imagine how Paul could allow material consistently saturated in racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and conspiracy-mongering to be printed under his name for so long if he did not share these views. In that respect, whether or not Paul personally wrote the most offensive passages is almost beside the point. If he disagreed with what was being written under his name, you would think that at some point–over the course of decades–he would have done something about it.
Lots of anti-black, anti-Israel, pro-militia nuttiness at the link. This guy’s been in Congress for 31 years. No one in his district was able to beat him with this on his record?
Update: Excerpts galore at Pajamas Media.
Update (bp): Here’s Kirchick’s interview with Tucker Carlson, who has been supporting Paul and traveling with him. Note Carlson’s reluctance to believe that this garbage came from Paul even though it was printed by Paul under his name. Tucker will probably come around in a day or two, but will most of Paul’s supporters? Not without some ugliness, imho.
Update: Here’s Paul’s response. No denials that this material appeared in his newsletter; only a denial that he agrees with it. He says he takes “moral responsibility” for the content, though. In which case, how about dropping out?
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Not paying enough attention? How about paying any attention? I’m with BP. If he can’t even manage a newsletter, how is he supposed to run the country?
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM
PDF: Paul report calling MLK a Pedophile
here is page in question, he claims that MLK had sex with underage boys and girls according to “FBI Files”.
what files is he referring to? If true I’d be willing to give him a pass, his electoral chances are crushed by repeating it, IF TRUE. Somehow I doubt it.
and doesnt’ Paul want to get rid of the FBI?
jp on January 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM
@ windansea on January 8, 2008 at 5:46 PM
You are FUNNY. Yea, its the fact that RP didn’t write something that has his name on it, and he takes responsibility for it that sinks the Republicans. Not the fact that they are running the weakest candidates I have ever seen.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Why did Drudge take down the link to the story?
Vincenzo on January 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM
like I said muyoso
you’re done, it’s over
windansea on January 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Is there an echo in here?
It scrolled off the page when he started adding links for the Iranian boat story and moved stuff making room for the results tonight.
I wouldn’t put any weight in the fact that it is off Drudge.
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
@ Vincenzo on January 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Because the story turned out to be a lie???
RP didnt write any of those things, therefore there is no story. There is only a story for people who want to make a story out of it.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
@ bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Things in RED dont just scroll off the page.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Why the hell do you keep bringing up the Bible? Who are you even talking to by randomly jamming that in there?
Lehosh on January 8, 2008 at 5:54 PM
RP didnt write any of those things, therefore there is no story.
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
windansea on January 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM
whose worrying? how about recognizing what an enemy is and their ideology and motivations(World Sharia Domination, via the Sword) and instead of being an appeasing pacifist, actually acting and standing up for Good against Evil.
the Bible also says the “For waywardness kills the simple, and the complacency of fools destroys them; ”
Ron Paul is a coward, hardly a Christian trait. he is lying and spreading anti-american war propaganda and lies, he is part of the Moveon.org/Dennis Kucinich suicidal Left.
jp on January 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM
BS, and I think you know that.
bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM
@ windansea on January 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Do you have evidence he did? Because if you do, PLEASE show it to me, as it will affect who I vote for in the Virginia Primary.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
What’s next…when Ronulans attack???
eanax on January 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
The same reason he “takes down” every other story he puts up, several times a day, every single day: His site sucks. He doesn’t have permalinks. That’s the way he was doing it in 1997 and that’s the way he’s doing it now, and none of these whippersnappers are gonna tell him any different. Now get off his lawn.
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Has anyone tried to recreate those supposedly authentic Ron Paul newletters using Microsoft Word? ;-)
Badger91 on January 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
@ bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Do YOU have any evidence he wrote any of those things? Again, it will affect who i will vote for.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Looks like Ron will win the South Carolina primary by a record margin now.
LevStrauss on January 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM
When ron paul come out with Name and Address of who did write, then we can have this discussion. the Onus is on him!
there would also be alot of questions after that one, assuming he could produce a name.
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Man, when am I going to learn not to engage the trolls. It wastes my time and it makes the trolls happy that someone is “legitimizing” them by paying attention to them.
Merovign on January 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Our Saviour, Dr. Paul, isn’t responsible! He was just a little loopy due to a helium leak in his blimp, and thus overlooked a decade of racism and anti-semitism associated with his name!
Look, there’s a unicorn!
Master Shake on January 8, 2008 at 6:01 PM
@ jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM
He has been defending against this exact same attack for over a decade. No one has come up with any proof that he wrote them, because he simply didnt. The onus is NOT on him, the onus is on the accuser to prove the guilt. Innocent before proven guilty remember? Find me one document HE wrote, with his signature on it, and I will drop my support of him.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Ok, you’re obviously a troll. I have my problems with Romney, being a communist isn’t one of them.
Was Eisenhower a communist too?
Well, obviously Romney isn’t a commie, I was going over the top. He IS a socialist though.
Socialism is a system of government wherein the government owns and operates the means of production.
And the gubmint taking over the healthcare system wouldn’t be controlling production?
No Republican candidate plans to own and operate the means of production.
Romney advocating a Massatwoshits style healthplan where the gubmint pays for things isn’t socialism?
RWLA on January 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM
@ LevStrauss on January 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Now THAT is funny.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:02 PM
the Signature is on the top of the page: “RON PAUL Political Report”
its the only signature on them.
and these are new allegations, quotes, etc….in addition to what has come up in the past.
Why do you think the “ROn Paul Political Report” made it on “RACIALIST ADDRESS” list with Neo-Nazi groups?
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:04 PM
and the reason the onus is on Paul, is because its HIS ‘political report’….not ours
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Against the Civil Rights Act?
The guy is against The Civil War, for feck’s sake!
I don’t see how the fact that he didn’t pen these screeds exculpates him from blame.
No one is accusing Ron Paul of being an anti-Semitic, racist nutbar. They’re accusing him of not having enough scruples, or intellectual discernment, to distinguish and disassociate himself from these bigoted lunatics.
Gerard on January 8, 2008 at 6:07 PM
@ jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:04 PM
WRONG. On the ones he wrote, he signed the bottom with his signature. This is simply an extension of what he has been attacked with for the past decade.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:07 PM
If this “continued for decades”, even though RP knew about it, found it repugnant, and didn’t do anything about it, I guess it boils down to this old egg from the ’80s:
“What Did Ron Know, And When Did He Know It?”
/eoc (end of campaign)
Timothy S. Carlson on January 8, 2008 at 6:08 PM
@ jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:07 PM
So if I accuse YOU JP of being a racist, or some other horrible thing, like a child molester, its up to YOU to prove you arent????
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Who did, then? Lucy Ramirez? That stuff didn’t just appear on the page as if by magic. And if it was somebody else, how did it go out in the official Ron Paul newsletter without Ron Paul knowing about it?
What makes you think anybody wants you to drop your support of him? Support him all you like.
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:09 PM
He was practicing medicine full time when these quotes appeared. If he agreed with the sentiments, I couldn’t support him anymore. But it seems inconceivable to those that listen to his message that he could have those beliefs. They’re incompatible.
As far as whether his mistake shows he couldn’t run the country… I think that’s an argument that will only be used by people who hated him to begin with. He has a great record in congress for 10 terms.
Jimmy Liberty on January 8, 2008 at 6:09 PM
@ Gerard on January 8, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Apparently you arent reading this thread or any other thread on RP.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:10 PM
If I put out a newsletter with My name on it, for over a decade and say those things, yes its on me to dig out of my grave.
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:10 PM
click my link above, its the PDF of the Paul Report calling MLK a Child molester.
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM
He speaks in code? Man this guy is as whacky as your average ronulan. Maybe he is just pissed that they wouldn’t let him join.
TheSitRep on January 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM
@ Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Oh IDK, how about the fact that whenever anyone even mentions him positively, they are labeled a:
Truther
Conspiracy theorist
racist
jew hater
paulbot
moron
on this website by quite a few people??????????????????
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM
President is a tougher job than doctor, dontcha think? He is an admitted absent-minded executive. At best.
Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM
And?
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM
The story link is in the Drudge Archives.
If it was a LIE he would have removed all traces of it.
Talon on January 8, 2008 at 6:13 PM
The political effect of this is to finish Ron Paul.
Leno had Paul on last night. Peddling his “we deserved 9/11″ junk once again. It was all our fault, you see, because the CIA did something 60 years ago or we had soldiers in Saudi to protect them from Saddam. Or whatever.
How much do you want to bet Letterman’s writers come up with “Top Ten Leno Guests after Ron Paul:
10. David Duke.
9. Tim McVeigh’s cell-mate.
8. Michael Richards (cue cell phone video).
7. Mel Gibson. [Cue picture of Gibson looking "crazy"]
6. Don Imus.
5. The Head of the Aryan Brotherhood [cue scary looking picture of a tattooed neo-nazi.]
4. Adam Gadahn (show video of him tearing up his passport).
3. the late Strom Thurmond.
2. Osama bin Laden
And Ladies and Gentlemen, the #1 Jay Leno Guest after Ron Paul …
1. the head of the KKK [cue photoshopped pic of Jay Leno with a guy in a sheet and pointed hood.]”
Stick a fork in Paul. He’s done.
whiskey_199 on January 8, 2008 at 6:14 PM
muyoso: If you want to establish any kind of credibility, you’ll need to use a lot more question marks than that. Anyway, I haven’t seen anybody tell you to drop your support of Ron Paul. Not that you’re helping the man, the way you’re behaving, but it’s your life.
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM
At the bottom of the same typewritten page accusing MLK of being a pedophile:
So we have some evidence who typed what is a couple paragraphs above that, don’t we? It must be someone whose wife’s name is Carol.
And, by golly, whaddayaknow, Ron Paul’s wife is named Carol.
Just a coincidence? I think not.
http://www.tnr.com/downloads/december1990.pdf
LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM
How is you call it “so called?” It is what it is. Paper. It is not an “unfortunate necessity” but rather has contributed to the stability of nations for centuries. It is when these nations devalue the monetary unit that problems arise. Before 1913 was their investment growth? Until 1971 when Nixon took us off the gold standard, was their investment growth? Of course.
Realize that our economy is based on credit just as our economic system is built on a Kenyesian credit expansion. So where are we headed? “Citibank was the world’s largest bank 10 years ago. Still the largest American bank, it is now 30th in the world. Sluggish economic growth, may be overtaken by Japan, Germany, even China.”
Funny, the world works that way for Japan, China, Germany, and Switzerland, to name a few. “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none.” ~ Thomas Jefferson
Ron Paul wants to take away the incentive of free health care, free social security payments and food stamps, as well as natural birth right citizenship (another incentive) that illegal aliens, by law, receive. If you don’t have bait on a hook, you going to catch any fish?
no comprendo
Not sure what your specific question was…
Of course I’m going to bring up Vietnam..and Korea too…both undeclared wars by Congress. The point being that we went in without a “declaration” and to not learn from this by going into Iraq, were we to expect different results this time? This is the nonsense that our elected officials gave us. I do understand the concern of those who are left behind, but if we are so concerned about people’s lives, why aren’t we doing something in Darfur? Why didn’t we do something in Rwanda?
Are we to offend allies or go bankrupt as a nation? I would choose to offend allies if given the choice.
Never did say “I” wouldn’t make a choice. Neither does Ron Paul. He has an opinion on everything: http://www.ronpaullibrary.org
Peace!
Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 6:16 PM
@ jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:10 PM
So when the person whose name is on the report tells you he didnt write them, and that they are small minded and stupid bigoted views, and his record and confirmed writings shows he simply does not think that way, and there is no proof whatsoever that he wrote a word of them, you are still going to say he is guilty? If you want to argue that he SHOULD have known about the newsletter, fine, but that is of course an assumption on your part. He was working as a full time doctor during the time these were written from what I can muster.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:16 PM
So was Barry Goldwater. My bet is you don’t know the arguments for why he’s against it. Maybe you just like the sound of “civil rights” and assume it must be great legislation.
The civil war wasn’t about freeing the slaves, it was about keeping the south from seceding. But the south had the right to secede.
Jimmy Liberty on January 8, 2008 at 6:16 PM
dang I didn’t catch that…Paul is done.
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM
You can’t be speaking about me Merovign…
Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM
This needs repeating apparently.
Talon on January 8, 2008 at 6:18 PM
@ LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Thanks for pointing that out. Again though, it proves nothing really as to who wrote it, but it certainly is a step in the direction of implicating RP.
muyoso on January 8, 2008 at 6:19 PM
LagunaDave, do you have any evidence that Ron Paul really wished me and my family Happy Holidays? Do you have a fingerprint on the page? Hair and fiber analysis proving he actually touched it? I eagerly await your forensic report.
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:19 PM
LagunaDave FOR THE WIN. Please update the post Allah/Bryan — this is a huge find.
Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Denial is more than a river in Egypt
Fox News is looking smart today for excluding Paul from the debates, he want be in anymore
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Beer spray on the monitor!!!
Talon on January 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM
agree
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Here’s the deal:
Ron Paul could, you know, have just been too busy doing doctor work. It’s possible that he is just that absent-minded. That’s not exactly a good thing to be arguing, but oh well.
So why do the StormFront nazi’s think he’s their guy? Why did they come to that conclusion? Just why did Paul keep going on the 9-11 truth conspirator’s show?
It’s not just one isolated event–it’s all of these things. And to spend time trying to argue the civil war? What the heck? I’m sorry, but Ron Paul is going to have to hang someone out to dry. Especially with Laguna-Dave’s find.
Vanceone on January 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM
My guess is Karl Rove is behind this.
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Gotta admit, that’s pretty funny. And Alabama, and Louisiana, and Mississippi, and Georgia, and …
Drum on January 8, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Dude! Smoking gun!
Nice catch, LG.
Timothy S. Carlson on January 8, 2008 at 6:25 PM
It’s easy for someone who doesn’t like Paul to suggest that he’d be a bad executive because he let something like this get in to his newsletter. And never consider that he didn’t run the newsletter as an executive… and may have just been the mascot.
He made a mistake, sure. But the way you’re so quick to judge his executive skills by this story shows you probably hated Paul to begin with. Not a very credible corner to come from.
Jimmy Liberty on January 8, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Heh. I wonder if he’ll ever discover the irony.
Splunge on January 8, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Anyone I can reason with…if you’re not Christian, then don’t pay attention to it, as I don’t mean to use Biblical analogies with non-Christians.
I’m addressing it to the 80% of Americans (according to CIA statistics) whom are Christian as this is a reasoning they “might” understand. Christians need to understand there is a conflict between the “New” Republican party and what the Bible and Jesus taught.
See: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance123.html
Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Fine:
All you Ron Paul supporters, explain LagunaDave’s find, please.
Who ELSE connected with the newsletter and Ron Paul has a wife named Carol?
Names names! This is important! You must save the Good Doctor from the evil, vile MSM and republican Neocon BLoggers out to Destroy the Only Man who can save, SAVE, I tell you, America!
You must do this for Ron Paul!
Or admit defeat, I don’t care.
Vanceone on January 8, 2008 at 6:29 PM
I am against the civil war. we should pull out before we lose.
TheSitRep on January 8, 2008 at 6:32 PM
LINCOLN LIED, PEOPLE DIED
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:34 PM
there is not a thing “New” about the Republican party and Foreign Policy. See Ronald Reagan for starters. Also get a clue on why we are in Iraq, how Saddam committed multiple Acts of War for a decade including harboring 93 WTC terrorist, etc.
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Over and over and over…
Well, that’s basically what he is now, so why not? Sure, go with that. Ron Paul is a mascot.
Whoa, a mistake? Let’s not go overboard here. Is there a particular reason you hate Ron Paul?
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:36 PM
It is quite amusing and educational to read the back and forth on this site about Ron Paul and the Presidential election. I have said in the past that I support Paul and I will vote for him regardless if he is running in the general election – unless some other libertarian-like candidate runs as a third party. I cannot for the life of me understand the support that any of the other candidates garners by those here. The unwarranted condescension by the usual cast of characters and the self-anointed political class on this site is nauseating to witness. You all act so smart in trying to put down Paul. There is NOT ONE SINGLE candidate in this election that believes in the original intent of the Constitution and the Framers’ vision for this country beside Paul. EVERY single Republican candidate is as or more flawed than Paul. EVERY SINGLE STINKING REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE! Yet on this site, for some completely unjustified and astonishing reason, the ’smart’ people put down the one guy who actually understands and supports the intent of the Constitution and support and praise all of the professional POLITICIANS who would say ANYTHING to get elected. That they are not saying that they believe that universal healthcare is an abhorrent idea, that the federal government has no business in education, or that they don’t believe that the government has any role in whether there is or is not man-made global warming is quite telling. Something comes to mind from the Bible, as I read this site – the part that talks about people concerned about the speck in their neighbor’s eye while not noticing the plank in their own eye. Yes, anyone who supports Paul is crazy. Fine. But anyone who supports Mitt, McCain, Fred, Huck, or Rudy is no better and I would argue is much worse for much worse reasons.
King of the Britons on January 8, 2008 at 6:36 PM
First of all, the CSA had no right to secede.
The Articles of Confederation and PERPETUAL UNION.
Does that ring a bell?
I’m not going to get into an exegetical argument over the document that superceded it, or explain why DiLorenzo et. al. are completely wrong, as it’s been done to death, and I doubt we’ll have any conversions on this issue.
My point is that Ron Paul is an historical anachronism.
While some of his criticisms of economic and fiscal policy, e.g. the excessive manipulation of our money supply, the draconian nature of the income tax, etc., have some validity, his solutions are completely absurd, and his conviction that his interpretation of The Constitution is the only correct one simply reinforces my view that he is a narcissist.
Gerard on January 8, 2008 at 6:36 PM
TheSitRep:
Hah! You evil Warmongering FOOL–yes, FOOOOOL!
If you supported the Revolutionary War, you are just a tool of the evil Jooos–we all know War is evol. Err, wait… Evil!
Yeah, that’s the ticket! We can’t have any war, so if you support the Revolutionary War, you are a FOOL!
Down with George! Up With King George!
Vanceone on January 8, 2008 at 6:37 PM
January 8, 2007
Dear Ron Paul Supporters,
If you’re not racist anti-Semites yourself, take a good hard look at your candidate, shake your head sadly, and choose a different one. If you are, carry on and let us have it.
Best wishes,
Chris
P.S. I am not responsible for the content of this comment. It may have been written by a member of my ghost-commenting team.
Christoph on January 8, 2008 at 6:37 PM
By the way, do we have to use all caps if we support Paul? I’m noticing a trend here.
And it’s not pretty.
Vanceone on January 8, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Vanceone,
The day that you or anyone else tells me whom I can or can’t vote for or who’s show I can or can’t appear on is the day anarchy will reign in the U.S. We are a free society and people that are free can choose to do what they want. You then can choose to vote or not vote for them.
I think your criticism is wrongheaded in your above statement.
The Stormfront people may like him because he believes in civil liberties where one can practice whatever they want in their own homes. Homosexuals may like him for the same reasoning.
Alex Jones may like him because he is anti IRS and anti big government.
We, as individuals can’t do anything but vote the way we view our world. I view it differently than you do, but you and I can still have a civil discussion about it. Unfortunately our leaders can’t do the same.
Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 6:39 PM
and is a conspiracy theorist that goes on Jones show all the time, accuses the Commander in Chief of trying to impose Martial Law on the USA. pandering to Truthers, spreading North American Union conspiracy propaganda…
jp on January 8, 2008 at 6:40 PM
How is this find any different than the fact that the newsletter had Paul’s name on it? Ghostwriting means that you write from the mascot’s POV.
I’m sure someone who’s not married to Carol could still type the letters C A R O L.
How can a Paul detractor account for his praise of MLK in interviews if he really believed him to be a gay pedophile? He brings him up voluntarily when condemning the FBI for investigating MLK and praising his non-violence approach.
Jimmy Liberty on January 8, 2008 at 6:41 PM
This just in:
Larry Flynt condemns pornography, says he’s not responsible for what other people put in his magazine…
snickelfritz on January 8, 2008 at 6:45 PM
How can a Paul supporter account for his praise of MLK in interviews if he really believed him to be a gay pedophile?
LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 6:45 PM
The irony of that is rich: don’t half of this knucklehead’s supporters come from DKos and the Truther nitwits?
Jaibones on January 8, 2008 at 6:47 PM
I’ve enjoyed the conversations with you all…
Merovign, nice discourse…
I must move on to other things now…
But remember one thing…someone has to pay for all these things and it’s you and me via inflation and an ever decreasing U.S. dollar (the alternative is taxing your income more, but it’s easier for them to utilize the hidden tax of inflation).
You can’t just push aside the economics of what is happening in our country. A Keynesian credit expansion economy is flawed and at some point will come tumbling down.
We Paulites know the economics. If Ron Paul isn’t elected, then I hope to God you own gold and silver.
Peace to you all!
Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Well, it looks like LagunaDave is too busy pointing out other people’s errors of logic to get back to me with that forensic report I politely demanded. I don’t think it’s too early to declare this another decisive victory for the RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Since when do the Stormfruitcakes believe in civil liberties?
Gerard on January 8, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Don’t forget tinfoil!
Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Racists unite behind Paul!
infidel on January 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Aluminum…the conservative capitalist’s gold!
infidel on January 8, 2008 at 6:53 PM
477th!!!!
Oh…guess I’m late to the party.
John from WuzzaDem on January 8, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Allahpundit…Time to get the bamhammer out and start smacking Paultards…….
doriangrey on January 8, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Where there is a will, there IS a way.
All HAIL LagunaDave…….ronulan slayer!
Talon on January 8, 2008 at 6:58 PM
You Paultards are all the same…Ignorant as the universe is old…Why do Gold and Sliver have value? For the exact same reason the paper currency does, because people say it does. Gold and Silver are every bit fiat currencies just like paper. The only difference is…Gold and silver are heaver…
doriangrey on January 8, 2008 at 6:58 PM
You keep “going sideways” in addressing points or answering questions. People can’t have a discussion with you if you do that because they have to waste all their time dragging you back on topic.
I, for one, do not have infinite time. I shouldn’t even have started addressing your sideways posts, my mistake, because I don’t have time to get dragged off into every possible issue.
I hope after you wrote your post it occurred to you why “it works that way” for Japan, Germany and Switzerland (it doesn’t work that way for saber-rattling China, which has many “entangling alliances”).
Go ahead, “offend” South Vietnam. I double-dog dare you. Don’t dodge the issue – we have made an alliance with a weakened nation and promised to help them. We can walk away and let them fall, we have that power. I don’t think we should do that to them.
I don’t treat my friends that way, and if I did, I wouldn’t have any friends.
Merovign on January 8, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Aluminum is a good buy right now too…ha!
http://tfc-charts.w2d.com/chart/AL/M
But gold (and silver) is where it’s at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/money/2008/01/06/ccgold106.xml
Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 6:59 PM
There are only three conclusions that can be drawn from all of this:
1) The newsletters were written (or ghostwritten) by RP and approved by RP
2) The newsletters were written by someone other than RP, RP knew about them, disapproved, but did nothing to stop them
3) The newsletters were written by someone other than RP and RP did NOT know them (or, at least, did not know their content).
If #1 is true, then RP is not Presidential material and should withdraw immediately.
If #2 is true, RP is incompetent and cowardly and, again, not Presidential material and should withdraw immediately.
If #3 is true, RP needs to plunk down some of that crazy campaign money for a team of high-powered lawyers and sue the pants off the authors.
Since RP has already acknowledged that he knew about these newsletters, he no longer has the option to sue.
/eoc (end of campaign)
Timothy S. Carlson on January 8, 2008 at 7:00 PM
I answered your specific questions one at a time. I can’t do better than that, sorry.
I did address Vietnam:
I do understand the concern of those who are left behind, but if we are so concerned about people’s lives, why aren’t we doing something in Darfur? Why didn’t we do something in Rwanda?
Gotta go…
Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Are you kidding? You think he’d pass up all those donations from the racists, anti-semites and conspiracy lunatics now that the pressure is on?
He’s not going to act more responsibly than he has the last 31 years.
Dusty on January 8, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Excellent response. Not to nit-pick, but did you mean South Korea?
I e-mailed a buddy of mine (Paul supporter) the vid of the Ron Paul crowd chasing Sean Hannity. He cringed but said that they were the “fringe” element. He says he agrees with 80 to 85% of what Paul says. I pointed out that you can’t vote for 80 to 85% of a candidate. You get EVERYTHING that comes with him/her.
I sent him the links to the TNR story AND this thread. He has not responded yet.
Talon on January 8, 2008 at 7:11 PM
I would say that makes a lot of the people here on LGF very perceptive.
EEprom on January 8, 2008 at 7:16 PM
Wow! The paulnuts make this place smell like a nazi zylkon B factory…
Andy in Agoura Hills on January 8, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Should be Hot Air…not LGF. But the statements stands either way.
EEprom on January 8, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Um, no he didn’t. Why don’t we just see what he said:
That’s not taking responsibility for the content. He’s disavowing the content — the complete opposite of taking responsibility for it.
Better plug your ears and start “la la la”-ing: I know Ron Paul supporters who are calm Latina women with children. Oh, and you’re a racist.
How do you figure? Kirchick is the one making accusations, and he admits he has no proof. The onus is on the accuser.
Easy. Ron Paul never said MLK was a gay pedophile.
I need to make a flowchart for Ron Paul smears. They are primarily: (a) accusations of racism/bigotry without proof, (b) accusations that all his supporters are racist, angry, crazy, etc, (c) accusations that he thinks 9/11 was an inside job (again, without proof), (d) accusations that he believes 9/11 was our fault (yet again, without proof). It’s really lame. Why don’t you do something useful, like pick a position of his and calmly and rationally make your case for why his position is wrong.
Here, I’ll start with someone else. Mitt Romney wants to re-enact the “Assault Weapon Ban.” I think that’s wrong because the Constitution guarantees the people the right to keep and bear arms. It doesn’t have an exception for “mean-looking” arms. Assault weapons aren’t weapons of mass destruction and aren’t any more effective than any other semi-automatic rifle. They just “look scary.” There. I didn’t call him crazy. I didn’t say that all his supporters are gun-grabbing communists. I didn’t make something up like saying he wants to ban all guns. Give it a try!
Mark Jaquith on January 8, 2008 at 7:22 PM
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