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Audio: TNR editor pores through the archives of Ron Paul’s newsletters; Update: TNR article now available; Update: PJM has more; Update: Ron Paul responds

posted at 1:04 pm on January 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It’s James Kirchick, who earned the wrath of the blogosphere’s resident Conservative of Doubt a few months ago by daring to criticize Paul for pocketing campaign cash donated by known Nazis. Curious as to how Paul assembled such a jolly constituency of white supremacists, Truthers, et al., Kirchick went hunting for Paul’s old newsletters and found copies in a pair of university libraries. Or so he says — supposedly they’re being published on TNR sometime today. Reserve judgment until you can read them for yourself, as they simply can’t be as brutally bad as Kirchick makes them out to be. For one thing, if they were, Paul could never have gotten elected to Congress; for another thing, it is, after all, TNR. And yet Kirchick’s obviously confident enough in what he found to go on the air here with Gibby and make accusations. It’s nine minutes plus but bear with it. Devastating.

Update: Lest there be any confusion, Kirchick isn’t the editor of TNR. (We know who that is.) He’s the assistant to the editor.

Update: Here’s Kirchick’s report. Transcripts of the newsletters should be available on the site soon.

[W]hoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul’s name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him–and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing–but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics…

Paul’s campaign wants to depict its candidate as a naïve, absentee overseer, with minimal knowledge of what his underlings were doing on his behalf. This portrayal might be more believable if extremist views had cropped up in the newsletters only sporadically–or if the newsletters had just been published for a short time. But it is difficult to imagine how Paul could allow material consistently saturated in racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and conspiracy-mongering to be printed under his name for so long if he did not share these views. In that respect, whether or not Paul personally wrote the most offensive passages is almost beside the point. If he disagreed with what was being written under his name, you would think that at some point–over the course of decades–he would have done something about it.

Lots of anti-black, anti-Israel, pro-militia nuttiness at the link. This guy’s been in Congress for 31 years. No one in his district was able to beat him with this on his record?

Update: Excerpts galore at Pajamas Media.

Update (bp): Here’s Kirchick’s interview with Tucker Carlson, who has been supporting Paul and traveling with him. Note Carlson’s reluctance to believe that this garbage came from Paul even though it was printed by Paul under his name. Tucker will probably come around in a day or two, but will most of Paul’s supporters? Not without some ugliness, imho.

Update: Here’s Paul’s response. No denials that this material appeared in his newsletter; only a denial that he agrees with it. He says he takes “moral responsibility” for the content, though. In which case, how about dropping out?


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Just A Grunt on January 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Who?

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Well, that’s just a sterling example of Paul’s “leadership”. Instead of “The buck stops here”, it’s more along the lines of: “That’s not my buck–I never saw it before, and have no knowledge of it. Besides, it’s not backed by the gold standard anyway.” Inspiring.

ReubenJCogburn on January 8, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Link to that quotation, please. Thank you, Oh wise one.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:17 PM

So you managed to take flagrant, over-the-top saracsm literally. Great. I guess some people are just born to be cultists.

ReubenJCogburn on January 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM

That article you linked pulls from the same newsletters as TNR. They also have no proof paul actually wrote, read or approved them. Its no more credible then the TNR article

Oh, so it’s pure coincidence that allegations of this sort of thing just keep coming up for poor old Ron Paul. Allow me to repost this, from the Washington Post, May 26, 1996. I cannot provide a link, as I found it via LexisNexis:

Texas congressional candidate Ron Paul (R) defended himself against charges of racism after his Democratic opponent unveiled four-year-old excerpts from Paul’s political newsletter describing “95 percent” of the black males in Washington, D.C., as “semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

Paul, an obstetrician from Surfside, Tex., denied he is a racist and charged Austin lawyer Charles “Lefty” Morris, his Democratic opponent, with taking his 1992 writings out of context.

“Instead of talking about the issues, our opponent has chosen to lie and try to deceive the people of the 14th District,” said Paul spokesman Michael Sullivan, who added that the excerpts were written during the Los Angeles riots when “Jesse Jackson was making the same comments.”

“Ron knows our society and our nation has done some horrible things to the black community, which has pushed a majority of young black men in some areas, in Washington, D.C., for example, into criminal activities,” Sullivan said.

Paul’s statements were printed in his monthly newsletter, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and were based on a 1992 study by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives in Washington, D.C., Sullivan said. Paul also wrote in 1992 that polls have shown that “only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions.” The excerpts came to light last week when Morris’s campaign distributed them to reporters.

His reaction then was that his writings were taken out of context.

Not the writings in his newsletter, mind you. His writings.

Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Alright Paulites, here are your options:

1. Paul wrote them.
2. Paul wrote some of them.
3. Paul wrote none of them & let them appear in his eponymous newsletter for years.
4. They don’t even exist. This whole story is a fantasy.

All four scenarios make you and/or Paul look like bigots and/or fools.

Pick.

Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Thank goodness they are finally outing this man, Ron Paul. I’ve believed for quite some time he is a white supremacist (sympathizer/beneficiary at least)… Unexpected kudos to The New Republic.

Christoph on January 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM

LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

You’ve certainly established your own set of credentials for knowing more about it than I. Wonder why this is – must be your collectivist mentality.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Hold your shirt, he says they’re posting them later today.

That was just the article.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM

About what? That I want a link for his absurd non-sequitur-laden quotation that you obviously didn’t read in its entirety?

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:22 PM

His “quotation” — see what I did there? — was a joke.

Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Yes, but prove that when he said “his writings” he meant “his writings”.

amerpundit on January 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Go back and read all the Beauchamp HA headlines. They mention TNR. You are quibbling.

Quibbling? Yeah, I guess you’re right. I wouldn’t happen to know anything about that story, at all.

Bob Owens on January 8, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Yes, but prove that when he said “his writings” he meant “his writings”.

Uh…TRILATERAL COMMISSION!!!!

Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Every time you people use a pejorative like Paulites or Ronulans, you are engaging in flawed, collectivist behavior, thus invalidating your entire argument that Ron Paul is racist.

I’m not really sure how the second part of this sentence follows from the first part, but point taken: I’ll start calling you guys Paulnuts instead.

Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 3:31 PM

His “quotation” — see what I did there? — was a joke.

Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Can’t let him answer for himself, eh? But that’s okay, you came to his defense. And asked me if I was kidding.

Clearly he was using hyperbole in order to make a point. I was simply mocking his hyperbole. In other words, kidding. So the answer to your question is yes.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Did it occur to you that racism, homophobia and bigotry are not exactly consistent with wanting “a free country”?

LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Back in the day, LagunaDave, Archie Bunker hit em all!

Fed Up

Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Silver star – Go over to littlegreenfootballs and click on the links. This expose started back in November. Because Drudge just now noticed it is what has thrown it into the spotlight.

Just A Grunt on January 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Um…”Selectively Google Ron Paul!”

Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 3:20 PM

“Google Advanced Search with the exact phrase ‘Ron Paul 2008′ without the words ‘Stormfront’ ‘racist’ ‘nazi’ ‘9/11 truth’ ‘MLK’ ‘Ron Paul Political Report’…and filter using safesearch.”

Makes for a great blimp-board, doesn’t it?

James on January 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I’m not really sure how the second part of this sentence follows from the first part, but point taken: I’ll start calling you guys Paulnuts instead.

Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Credibility meter = ZERO

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM

One question while I’m waiting for the TNR link to load: Did people in Paul’s district receive these newsletters?

DiannaD on January 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Hold your shirt, he says they’re posting them later today.

That was just the article.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM

If they can keep the site up with the whole country hitting it and the Paulites bombing it.

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Uh…TRILATERAL COMMISSION!!!!

Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Uh…BILDERBERGNEWWORLDWORDERNUTRASWEETROSIEODONNELL!!!!

You have been warned.

MadisonConservative on January 8, 2008 at 3:34 PM

There are a number of referenced sources here.

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Credibility meter = ZERO

You forgot to say “collectivist.”

Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Hold your shirt, he says they’re posting them later today.

That was just the article.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Who said that they’re going to post the visuals of the newsletters? I just read the article for the 3rd time and I see no mention of that. It’s possible I missed it three times since I’m pretty tired from working all night and haven’t slept yet. Can you tell me where Kirchick says that or quote it please?

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Is the Houston Chronicle published in 1996 a decent source?

Goodnight, Paulbots.

Bob Owens on January 8, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Glenn Reynolds: THE RON PAUL SHOE DROPS, and Ann Althouse is saying “I told you so.” Meanwhile, more here. I’m about to get on a plane, and don’t have much to say right now. Did Paul write this? Was it ghostwritten under his name? Is it better if the answer is the latter?

Ann Althouse: Look, I said it on Bloggingheads: The things Ron Paul has been saying made me suspect that his libertarianism were a cover for racism. Listen beginning at 8:07: “I feel like the people who are so enamored with those states’ rights positions and that libertarian position… Coming from the South… and older person… who grew up in the segregated South… How do I know he’s not a racist? … I find it offensive, the positions he’s taking, but maybe it’s the pretty face that you put on the position that is, if not really racist, just insensitive about race?”

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 3:39 PM

I’m reserving judgment to see the evidence. This is, after all, The New Republic, the magazine that published Beauchamp’s fake Iraq soldier diaries. Their fact checking is suspect at best.
If it is true, welcome to the Socialist States of America, President Obama, Huckabee, Romney, or McCain presiding. I hope you can live with one of these commie bastards as president. I’ll vomit every day.
Not that I view Dr. No as the saviour of the republic, but I DO view him as the only person who will stand up to socialized medicine, which will be the ruination of this nation. Debate THAT, I dare you.

RWLA on January 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Check bnelson’s link @ 3:36. Pajamas Media has jpgs of the newsletter.

Slublog on January 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Actually, as perhaps one of the foremost TNR trashers, I’d had to focus you on the fact that we trashed Frank Foer, Peter Scoblic, and Jason Zengerle, but we never touched Kirchick, as he was in no way involved in that meltdown, at least as far as evidence shows.

Bob Owens on January 8, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Your point is taken. However, much of your trashing (which was excellent) had to do with the culture of the publication, in which this kind of reporting was allowed to make in into the magazine.
Since I just finished reading this diatribe, it is clear that Kirchick is the typical liberal in which any critism of a liberal must have a bigoted component. Look at the Barbara Jordan comments as an example.

sweeper on January 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

I apologize for any negative banter. It’s easy to get caught up in it. But I’m new here, and I feel the need to establish my creds from the start so you guys will know me better and where I stand.

I’ve been a conservative my entire adult life. I supported Fred until recently. I still believe Fred would be a decent President. I made a conscious, thoughtful decision to support Ron Paul just in the last couple of months. I believe our civil liberties are more important than those of any Middle Eastern country. No Republican candidate proposes to restore those liberties to us. This disturbs me.

I’ve been on many political forums, and I’ve never seen conservatives use so much name-calling. Normally I see fellow conservs using actual, rational arguments instead of pejoratives when dealing with liberals. When it comes to Ron Paul, though, his detractors on the conservative side lose their self control. It’s fascinating and sickening at the same time.

I’ve been reading this forum for almost a year now, and I’ve not heard one rational poster actually argue against RP’s foreign policy without using pejoratives.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

This is another bigoted, collectivist comment. Do you really believe that 100% of Ron Paul supporters are NOT conservatives?

Okay, I officially declare that Paulists have absolutely no sense of humour.

Did I say that Paulists were not conservative? No, I did not.

Explain how my comment was “bigoted and collectivist”.

Timothy S. Carlson on January 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Oh, come on, Paulians.

If “Joe Blow” published a local newsletter called “Joe Blow’s Newsletter” and a bunch of rude and/or evil crap was published in it, and Joe Blow denied responsibility because he just “had his name on it and paid for it, he didn’t write it,” how many people would let him off the hook?

The GOP needs to point out that RP isn’t actually a Republican candidate, no matter how good his position on deficit spending or eminent domain might be.

Merovign on January 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM

…it is clear that Kirchick is the typical liberal in which any critism of a liberal must have a bigoted component.

Actually, I think he’s their token conservative, but thanks for playing.

Bob Owens on January 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Uh…BILDERBERGNEWWORLDWORDERNUTRASWEETROSIEODONNELL!!!!

You have been warned.

MadisonConservative on January 8, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Don’t forget the classic “MINDCONTROLFLUORIDEINTHEDRINKINGWATER!!!!”

That’s old-school conspiracy theory there. You don’t hear that one very often these days–not flashy or JOOOOOOish enough, I guess.

ReubenJCogburn on January 8, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Timothy S. Carlson on January 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM

“taint” says it all.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Can’t let him answer for himself, eh? But that’s okay, you came to his collectivist defense. And asked me if I was kidding.

Clearly he was using collectivist hyperbole in order to make a point. I was simply mocking his hyperbole. In other words, kidding. So the answer to your question is yes.

Collectivism.

C-O-L-L-E-C-T-I-S-M.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM

fixt.

Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Silver star – Go over to littlegreenfootballs and click on the links. This expose started back in November. Because Drudge just now noticed it is what has thrown it into the spotlight.

Just A Grunt on January 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Again, we have claims to what are charged as actual quotes but no actual copies, scans, photos, or visuals of any type of the referenced newsletters that lay claim to Ron Paul being an anti-semite and racist bigot. I’m not trying to be difficult here, or defend him as a supporter as I do not support Ron Paul for POTUS, but simply “taking someone’s word for it” referencing claims of impropreity from the internet without visual verified proof is hardly wise (actually, let’s call it what it is…) stupid in this day and age.

I know Ron Paul’s representatives state things are being taken out of context reference the OLD newsletter quotes, but the new stuff is far more damning in totality.

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Jamie Kirchick: “I don’t think Ron Paul is a homophobe; I’m just cynical” (and enjoy getting supporters of political candidates riled up.”)

http://gays-for-ron.blogspot.com/2008/01/jamie-kirchick-i-dont-think-ron-paul-is.html

“TNR once published a cover story literally comparing Ross Perot to Adolf Hitler when he was running for president. That is the publication’s style–hysterical smears aimed at political enemies.”

“Herbert Croly and TNR
Posted by Bill Anderson at January 8, 2008 02:27 PM

The New Republic was founded by Herbert Croly, a “Progressive” who believed that the Constitution should be abolished in favor of the will of governing elites. Here is what Virginia Postrel wrote about him several years ago:

Crolyism overturned the ideal of limited government in favor of a combination of elite power — commissions to regulate and plan — and mass democracy…. Frustrated with constitutional limits, Croly wrote, “It remains … true … that every popular government should in the end, and after a necessarily prolonged deliberation, possess the power of taking any action, which, in the opinion of a decisive majority of the people, is demanded by the public welfare.” This statement, while extreme, pretty much sums up today’s governing philosophy.

So, keep in mind that this is the philosophy behind TNR. It is a view that the political elite need to tell everyone else what to do, and use lethal force against people who resist.”

Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 3:45 PM

OMG…

Is it just me, or are the lunatic personality cultists on the Right farmore annoying than the moonbat ideologues?

Lehosh on January 8, 2008 at 3:45 PM

C-O-L-L-E-C-T-I-S-M.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM
fixt.

http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm

Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Fixed.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:46 PM

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 3:37 PM

I seem to have been mistaken. You’re right it’s not in the article. I had it in my head that he said he’d post the content later today, but I have no idea where. Maybe I mixed up the videos of him saying he’d post the article today.

But like others have said, Pajama’s Media has some pics.

I’ve been reading this forum for almost a year now, and I’ve not heard one rational poster actually argue against RP’s foreign policy without using pejoratives.

You’re a troll. Don’t try to save face now.

But at least you’re a lovable (collectivist) troll.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:46 PM

But I’m new here, and I feel the need to establish my creds from the start so you guys will know me better and where I stand.

Don’t feel the need. ‘Cred’ is built up over time based on what you post…you can’t establish it yourself.

The only thing I’ve managed to establish here in a year of posting is that there’s someone else with the exact same screen name as mine who posts here. (I’m the one with all the sarcastic, mostly unfunny jokes, and he’s the Aggie fan. You’ll have to take my word for it that there’s a difference.)

James on January 8, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Last thing I want is racist with a finger on the button.

infidel on January 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

You’re a troll. Don’t try to save face now.

But at least you’re a lovable (collectivist) troll.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Hey, I’m trying to get back on the right foot. Give me a break. I’ve been reading this forum for a freaking year and haven’t been able to post. Can you blame me for being a little giddy?

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

I’ve been on many political forums, and I’ve never seen conservatives use so much name-calling. Normally I see fellow conservs using actual, rational arguments instead of pejoratives when dealing with liberals. When it comes to Ron Paul, though, his detractors on the conservative side lose their self control. It’s fascinating and sickening at the same time.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

You mean like misstating a point so as to pejoratively call someone a Mary Mapes/Dan Rather fabricator?

JohnTant on January 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Is Little Green Footballs also a liberal, anti-constitution, collectivist source, like TNR?

LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

James on January 8, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Hey James, good to see you! I should have guessed you’d infiltrated this stronghold! ;p

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Hey, I’m trying to get back on the right foot. Give me a break. I’ve been reading this forum for a freaking year and haven’t been able to post. Can you blame me for being a little giddy?

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Yes. You appear and all you can do is try to say “collectivism” ten times fast and show a complete and utter lack of reading comprehension.

You’re a troll.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

JohnTant on January 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

I was referring to the logic. Sorry you don’t see that. And I never called you a name, such as Fredhead or Huckster. See the difference?

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Jamie Kirchick: “I don’t think Ron Paul is a homophobe; I’m just cynical” (and enjoy getting supporters of political candidates riled up.”)

Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Jamie Kirchick was once a Ron Paul supporter. Doesn’t seem to be one anymore.

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Get used to me being around, name-caller.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM

…I feel the need to establish my creds from the start so you guys will know me better and where I stand.

Oh, I think we get it.

Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM

juicy.

RightWinged on January 8, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Some sources: Ron Paul’s Old Newsletter Revealed.

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM

I doubt it, considering you didn’t read past that line.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:53 PM

I’ve been reading this forum for almost a year now, and I’ve not heard one rational poster actually argue against RP’s foreign policy without using pejoratives.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

pejorative
adj

Definition: negative, belittling
Antonyms: complimentary, positive, praising

So, what, you want we should criticize Paul’s foreign policy using only words of praise?

Is that nuts or what? How do you criticize non-pejoratively?

Merovign on January 8, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Can any of those who loathe Ron Paul on this site point to ANY other candidate that will shrink the size of the obtrusive Nanny-State? ANY candidate that will do anything besides possibly slow the rate of growth of the Leviathan? I don’t care what Paul believes if he will get the rest of the disgusting nitwits in Washington out of the business of my business.

King of the Britons on January 8, 2008 at 3:53 PM

The GOP needs to point out that RP isn’t actually a Republican candidate, no matter how good his position on deficit spending or eminent domain might be.

Merovign on January 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Merovign,

You mean Ron Paul isn’t a “New” Republican…you know…the warmongering party that believes all of America should be in fear of Islamofacism and will spend this nation into debt until the U.S. dollar is good for nothing but wiping your ass.

Ron Paul didn’t change, the Republican Party did.

One can’t possibly think that continuing with this same mantra that lost the House and the Senate in 2006 will result in any different outcome with the same type of Presidential candidate who embellishes the same philosophies.

Garbage in Garbage out. Same philosophy, same result.

Only Ron Paul, of the Old Republican platform and a stict constitutionalist, can compete come November.

With 10 more months of spreading his message as a 3rd party candidate (if he doesn’t win the nomination, which I know is likely – especially when he’s not even invited to a debate), the “New” Republican Party loses either way. I repeat…the “New” Republican Party loses either way.

Good luck with that…

Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

I was referring to the logic. Sorry you don’t see that. And I never called you a name, such as Fredhead or Huckster. See the difference?

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Oh, I see. So I can say you’re a graduate of the David Duke School of Racial Relations, and that’s OK because I’m not actually calling you a racist.

As with so much else that surrounds the Ron Paul campaign, I keep forgetting the nuance.

I’ll take pains to point out that I asked a reasonable question based on a more than reasonable standard of proof, and you immediately cast it as producing an obviously forged memo created as a partisan axe. Sounds less than lofty to me.

JohnTant on January 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

All this talk about collectivism and no Borg reference?

KelliD on January 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

I doubt it, considering you didn’t read past that line.

How collectivist of me.

Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Is that nuts or what? How do you criticize non-pejoratively?

The same way a racist, homophobic bigot wishes for a free country.

LagunaDave on January 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Get used to me being around, name-caller.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Name-caller? I thought I was a collectivist?

I’m not the one linking to a cheap Ron Paul defense site.

Listen, you came in here using old trolling tricks. You signed up to troll for Ron Paul. Admit it.

I’m just calling it as I see it. If you want to have rational arguments regarding foreign policy at least I’ll be there. But rational arguments you did not make.

Anyway, I like trolls, they’re fun.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Hey James, good to see you! I should have guessed you’d infiltrated this stronghold! ;p

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Oh, no…don’t tell me there’s a third one now.

James on January 8, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Get used to me being around, name-caller.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Just a note to all present – this is what we call “tempting fate.”

Merovign on January 8, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Imagine my surprise!
*shell shocked*

AlexB on January 8, 2008 at 3:57 PM

the defence to this will be that lew rockwell ghostwrote his newsletters.

http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4584&p=102712#p102658

jummy on January 8, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

You forgot the “this message brought to you by” and “I’m Ron Paul and I support this message” suffixes.

And I don’t think “embellishes” is the word you were looking for.

Merovign on January 8, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 3:45 PM

In this case it doesn’t matter who the messenger is — it could be the Workers World Party for all that it matters. What matters is that much (though not all) of that stuff is pure bigotry and it came under the name and authority of Ron Paul. And there is yet no proof that he did anything to stop it.

This is intolerable, unless he’s running on the Bigot ticket.

I am praying that this turns out to be a slanderous smear job in which legal action can be taken. But I have to be honest and admit that that is less than likely, Thomas DiLorenzo’s threats nothwithstanding.

Drum on January 8, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Can any of those who loathe Ron Paul on this site point to ANY other candidate that will shrink the size of the obtrusive Nanny-State? ANY candidate that will do anything besides possibly slow the rate of growth of the Leviathan? I don’t care what Paul believes if he will get the rest of the disgusting nitwits in Washington out of the business of my business.

King of the Britons on January 8, 2008 at 3:53 PM

What makes you think Ron Paul has the ability? He’s a pipe dream. I agree with many of his goals. I’d like to get rid of the Income Tax and replace it with nothing, I’d like to get rid of the Department of Education, and all of the rest. I’d like to de-criminalize marijuana. And I’d like to eliminate the welfare state.

Do I expect any of that to get accomplished in 4-8 years? No. If I were running would I run on a platform to accomplish those things? No. It ain’t going to happen. It’s an ideal not a reality. If it ever happened we may not even like the results.

Electing Ron Paul as President can’t accomplish these things because a President can’t legislate. The Democrats hold both legislatures.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Wow. We’re getting sensitive around here.

It was a hypothetical:
“So, if the story is true, AND Ron Paul drops out – does whoever gets the RP votes inherit a taint in any way?”

You could have just answered yes or no and explained yourself, instead of resorting to name-calling.

Timothy S. Carlson on January 8, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 4:00 PM

No kidding. Ron Zombies act is if Paul is some kind of powerful sorcerer that can wave his magic wand and make all this crap happen in spite of 100 layers of bureaucracy, laws, and a hostile Congress. Like there’s a magical button that Bush and his evil neocon hordes refuse to push.

Yet the Paul sycophants still worship at his altar even when he’s saying the world is ruled by a coterie of Jewish reptilian space vampires.

Lehosh on January 8, 2008 at 4:07 PM

I seem to have been mistaken. You’re right it’s not in the article. I had it in my head that he said he’d post the content later today, but I have no idea where. Maybe I mixed up the videos of him saying he’d post the article today.

But like others have said, Pajama’s Media has some pics.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Um, yeah, the pics at Pajamas Media aren’t the newsletters with the quotes in the TNR story, and actually some of the newsletter pics with the quotes on the Pajamas Media post are actually quite correct. He even foresees the riots of the 1990’s in them, and they became true.

I see no anti-semitism or bigotry in the pics of the newsletters linked at Pajamas Media. No pics of newsletters claiming MLK was a pedophile or homosexual or anything claimed in the TNR article. There are A LOT if pics of pages missing as well. As far as I can tell, not one complete newsletter is photgraphed/scanned. They’re a mish-mash of different (and ALL incomplete) newsletters.

Actually (heaven help me), I see some stuff in the pics of the newsletters from the links at Pajamas Media that makes perfectly good sense. Well, with the exception of some claims, but they’re not exactly the claims of an outright loon.

I guess I’ll give it a few days.

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Eh… elgeneralismo shares an equal disdain for both Ron Paul and TNR. So this episode has no downside as far as he is concerned. It will be the final nail in one of their respective coffins…

elgeneralisimo on January 8, 2008 at 4:11 PM

You forgot the “this message brought to you by” and “I’m Ron Paul and I support this message” suffixes.

Merovign on January 8, 2008 at 3:59 PM

I came to these conclusions myself by reading Rothbard’s “The Betrayal of the American Right” and the research I have been conducting for the past three years for a book project. See: http://www.lewrockwell.com/french/french70.html

Despite vocabulary references (I don’t claim to be perfect), is there anything I said you disagree with?

Just curious…

Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Yet the Paul sycophants still worship at his altar even when he’s saying the world is ruled by a coterie of Jewish reptilian space vampires.

Lehosh on January 8, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Actually it’s ruled by the Black Pope.

But that’s not a bad thing, that’s a good thing!

I guess I’ll give it a few days.

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 4:08 PM

You’d think it’d all get produced soon anyway. After all, the Ronulans are freaking out. At least someone is going to scan it. If it exists.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Gee whiz, what is this 200+ back forth about? Truthers are racists? That’s a shocker Not. Their candidate is one of them, that’s a shocker? Not.

Paul has always been an Israel / Zionist hater, in real life speak that means Joooz. He’s a protectionist maniac, this movement in modernity has been racist, anti-semitic, and obsessed with conspiracy. Prisonplanet etc etc, we all know what this crap is. If you are a Paul supporter that is your right – but so is it the right of anyone else to call a spade a spade..

He’s a Jew hating, racist Black hating maniac. In life when White Supremists are big supporters, it is hard to claim shock after & ain’t that the Troooof.

saus on January 8, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Can any of those who loathe Ron Paul on this site point to ANY other candidate that will shrink the size of the obtrusive Nanny-State? ANY candidate that will do anything besides possibly slow the rate of growth of the Leviathan? I don’t care what Paul believes if he will get the rest of the disgusting nitwits in Washington out of the business of my business.

King of the Britons on January 8, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Ron Paul certainly does not feed the Leviathan with his $400 million in Houston district pork-barrell earmarks. The Constitution says we must subsidize shrimp farming.

Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 4:15 PM

DING! DING! DING!

HERE THEY ARE… IN PDF FORMAT!

Scans of the ACTUAL newsletters containing the excerpts and claims in the TNR article!

…’bout dang time *grumble* *grumble*

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129

Read em and weep Paulites!

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person’s character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It’s once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/125/ron-paul-statement-on-the-new-republic-article-regarding-old-newsletters

offroadaz on January 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM

King of the Britons,

I’ve read your words in defense of Ron Paul on another thread on this site in the past. I have a like mind to what you have written.

Cheers!

Fed Up on January 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM

I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

Except for, you know, actually taking responsibility for what went out under his name.

Interesting morality, that.

JohnTant on January 8, 2008 at 4:20 PM

and they come out with this….right during the time frame that Barack Obama is rising to stardom with the “Democrat” brand name. While TNR is eager to attach this to Paul while he has the “Republican” brand name next to his name.

jp on January 8, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Well, he does have an R by his name. The G.O.P. should have investigated this nonsense and publicly repudiated Ron Paul a long time ago — and didn’t.

Christoph on January 8, 2008 at 4:20 PM

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

offroadaz on January 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Didn’t the publication go out under his name for over a decade with these quotes? Something doesn’t ring true here.

bnelson44 on January 8, 2008 at 4:21 PM

SilverStar830 on January 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM

See! I was right!

… somehow.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Oh, well Ron Paul said he didn’t do it… Why would he say something like that if it wasn’t the twoof?

Lehosh on January 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

That’s exactly the kind of executive we need as President. How many rogue State/CIA/DoD bureaucrats will Paul be overseeing?

Disqualified.

Cuffy Meigs on January 8, 2008 at 4:23 PM

offroadaz on January 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM

He may say that:

I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name

But obviously he isn’t taking his own advice. Oh well, Paul is going down in flames.

upinak on January 8, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Tucker Carlson?

That makes me cry. Figuratively.

Anwyn on January 8, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Allah, in this post and especially the comment section, you’ve done yeoman’s work — thanks, bro. You get it.

Christoph on January 8, 2008 at 4:25 PM

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

Several writers contributed to the product.

OK…..who? Names, please.

JohnTant on January 8, 2008 at 4:25 PM

I’m not really sure how the second part of this sentence follows from the first part, but point taken: I’ll start calling you guys Paulnuts instead.

Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Credibility meter = ZERO

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM

To Treacher. To … TREACHER.

Funniest thing ever. I’m sure he’s devastated.

Uncle Pinky on January 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM

wow, paul comes out and denounces racism and the remakrs just like you asked and you still pile on

offroadaz on January 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM

OK…..who? Names, please.

JohnTant on January 8, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Dude, he didn’t know what he wrote. Why would he know who wrote what he didn’t know he wrote?

Christoph on January 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM

What makes you think Ron Paul has the ability? He’s a pipe dream. I agree with many of his goals. I’d like to get rid of the Income Tax and replace it with nothing, I’d like to get rid of the Department of Education, and all of the rest. I’d like to de-criminalize marijuana. And I’d like to eliminate the welfare state.

Do I expect any of that to get accomplished in 4-8 years? No. If I were running would I run on a platform to accomplish those things? No. It ain’t going to happen. It’s an ideal not a reality. If it ever happened we may not even like the results.

Electing Ron Paul as President can’t accomplish these things because a President can’t legislate. The Democrats hold both legislatures.

Keljeck on January 8, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. You’ve bought into the defeatist mentality that a President cannot accomplish anything due to opposition parties holding legislative advantages. But look what Bush has done this year despite the Congress being Democrat. Look what Reagan did his 8 years. TOTAL OPPOSITION to their proposals, yet they accomplished their goals.

But your solution is to [give up and] elect a liberal since the rest of the government is liberal.

Brilliant.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Devastated isn’t even the word. Collectiviscerated!

Jim Treacher on January 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Drudge retracted the link to the TNR article because it is obviously false. I wonder if hotiar will do the same

offroadaz on January 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM

wow, paul comes out and denounces racism and the remakrs just like you asked and you still pile on

offroadaz on January 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM

They’re his remarks.

Christoph on January 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Dude, he didn’t know what he wrote. Why would he know who wrote what he didn’t know he wrote?

Christoph on January 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Because…because….

Oh look….A BLIMP!!!!

JohnTant on January 8, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Brilliant.

Courageous.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Fixed my own error.

fossten on January 8, 2008 at 4:31 PM

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