Video: Fred debuts on the Factor; Video: Fred needs money
posted at 9:18 pm on January 7, 2008 by Bryan
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The Fred has already vacated New Hampshire, where he’s likely to get beat by Ron Paul, and will skip Michigan and Nevada to make his stand in South Carolina. That’s where Huckabee is currently turning into a juggernaut. Fred has a tough battle ahead but he does have until the 19th of January (all of a fortnight) to make his case. Maybe taking up residence in South Carolina while the rest of the candidates fight out other states will turn out to be a good move, but he’ll be in the hole on delegates by the time of the primary and the world is likely to be talking about Obamania by then. Either that, or “Whatever happened to Obama?”
So tonight we find Fred on the Factor, making his first appearance there. His wife Jeri appeared on the show once before and acquitted herself well, but this is Fred. He did fine. He gets the big picture right and makes the case for himself as the only authentic and consistent conservative in the race. No flubs on Pakistan, and he injects realism into the debate over what we can and should or shouldn’t do about the instability there (hint: He doesn’t agree with Bill Richardson). And there isn’t a lot more to say. Fred’s running an unorthodox campaign, partly out of strategy and partly out of financial necessity. I’d like to see him stay in the race if only to keep tugging it to the right. In a saner world Fred would have raised $20 million in the last quarter and Ron Paul would be worried about gassing up the bus. But that isn’t the world we live in.
Update (AP): Calling all ‘Heads — dude needs some coin.
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Boy wait til HuffPo starts going through my posts! LOL!
I’ll stick with Fred through thick or thin. It is the only way I will be able to make my voice heard, if at all. I could go with Mitt. As far as Rudy and McCain….If.I.Have.To.
Huck…..I’m one of those 15% (according to Allah) who will stab everyone in the back and stay home. I’ll even lick the knife when I’m done.
Limerick on January 7, 2008 at 11:51 PM
That says a lot more about the people of NH than it does about Fred. I do find it funny, though, that Iowans take all sort of vitriol for a week, and when the people of NH (who mostly wouldn’t vote for a conservative if you threatened their lives) won’t vote for Fred it reflects poorly on him and not them.
Darin on January 7, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I agree, none of the “paid” staff here seems to like Fred and I haven’t really seen why (not enough time to read everything), but I’d really be interested in hearing that interview.
I personally think that Fred would change some minds around here or, at least gain some fence sitters to his court.
Nothing better than having detractors interview you and you come out shining.
Fuzzball on January 7, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I understand that sentiment, and I’d like you to consider this…..
Fred started into this race with support in the mid to high 20’s and people were jazzed. The minute he announced, his support started to fall. I don’t think your theory works for the beginning of his loss of support, but it certainly could be a big reason why it is haviung a hard time getting going again.
csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Limerick on January 7, 2008 at 11:51 PM
I’ll loan you my sharpening stone.
LickyLicky on January 7, 2008 at 11:56 PM
boy csd gets headlined in a thread and he goes and gets all rational on us. I guess there is something to this ‘no-God’ thing afterall.
Welcome back csd. My earplugs are offically out.:)
Limerick on January 7, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Did I get headlined in a thread? Something tells me I don’t really want to know the context. ;-)
csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Fuzzball on January 7, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I think AP, Bryan, and MM all like Fred.
AP is just a pessimist, thus he “knows” Fred is toast.
I think MM recently gave Fred the evil eye, I forget what for. Bryan is more upbeat about Fred, but doesn’t post much on the horserace aspect of the campaign.
And most of us like Fred, except for some heavily-invested detractors (csdeven has been going at it for about 8 months, bless her little heart).
VolMagic on January 8, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Well almost……first sentence in the post by Allah. Good enough for Andy Warhol.
Limerick on January 8, 2008 at 12:01 AM
csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I’m talking about now. I think a lot of people were jazzed about him because they knew who he was from watching L&O, not because they knew who he was. Now, with the media not playing nice (which is part but not all of it), it’s snowballed into this. The Domino Effect is cruel in that the only way to stop the momentum (in this case the anti-momentum) is to remove something. I’m not really sure what that something is. I haven’t decided, because I wouldn’t respect pandering to the media, kissing babies or a**, or changing his positions. I do believe he still has a good shot, and I agree with several posters that Rush is a closet FredHead.
Input?
LickyLicky on January 8, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Hmm. Reading my own post, I guess the secret is figuring out what to add to stop the anti-momentum. Like replacing the missing domino to keep the rest going. The question still remains.
LickyLicky on January 8, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Heh. I believe it.
Spirit of 1776 on January 8, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Yes. I’ve been heavily invested in reality.
csdeven on January 8, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Fred needs more than money. He needs a personality and he needs to give folks a reason to even care. He may as well throw in the towel.
Lennie on January 8, 2008 at 12:58 AM
This is all I needed to know about Fred. He has my vote.
Bladerunner1701 on January 8, 2008 at 1:33 AM
csdevan, I’m an “evangelical” and I won’t give a first look at Huck.
I’m in Illinois so if Huck is the Republican nominee, I’m staying home. Hil or Obama will win my state anyway. Though, just for the fun of it, maybe I’ll vote Fred as a write-in.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on January 8, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Chicken Fried Rice
Love it! MMmmm MMmmm good Stuffs.
Chakra Hammer on January 8, 2008 at 4:09 AM
I think you have a cult following if my unscientific sampling of the new commenters is any indications.
Instead of “Who is John Galt?” we may start hearing whispers of “Who is CSDeven?” in the streets and subways!
Bradky on January 8, 2008 at 6:33 AM
Pres Bush and Condi are now basically supporting the arab terrorists of Fatah and Hamas basically destroy Israel by supporting this crazy idea of putting an arab state controlled by terrorists on the border of Israel; why isn’t Fred and the rest of the Repubs taking pres Bush to task for this change in the US strategic campaign supposedly against terrorism?
georgealbert on January 8, 2008 at 6:48 AM
What is wrong with you people? What is wrong with the Republican party?
Romney = gun grabber who “saw the light”… right before he decided to run for president. reminds me of a used car salesman
Huckabee = thinks the gov’t is somewhere people should look to in times of need. Likes taxes. Will govern like a republican Jimmy Carter.
Guilani = tough, but a liberal gun grabber who has more skeletons in his closet than Dahmer.
McCain = McCain-kennedy? Shamnesty? show me a bill that is “mccain-anything” that isn’t sticking a thumb in the eye of conservatives.
Ron Paul = Ron Paul.
How can any of you support any of these candidates?
Other than Duncan Hunter… who has gotten no traction either, Fred IS the conservative candidate. Have republicans just decided to throw the conservatives under the bus in favor of “liberal-lite”? Hunter and Thompson are the ones who are straight shooters… but you just can’t boil them down to 6 sec soundbites that can be digested by little minds with little desire to understand the issues. That is why Thompson doesn’t like “hand shows” and is the only candidate who’ll tell the media where to stick it.
I don’t want someone who makes me “feel good”. I want someone who “IS” good. I don’t want someone who tells me what I want to hear, I want someone to tell me how it is. Did any of you actually see Fred in the debates when he told that stupid moderator how it was going to be? I think he’d do the same thing to the UN, Iran and N. Korea and that’s good enough for me… I don’t care if he’s laid back or if he kisses Rupert Murdoch’s ring.
BadBrad on January 8, 2008 at 7:06 AM
You have got to be kidding. Bush and Rice deserve their fair share of criticism but being soft on terrorism is not one of them. When you think this just remember..
WWAHD
What Would Al Have Done
Bradky on January 8, 2008 at 7:09 AM
Note to self:
When doing satires of Fredheads, include “Get Freducated!” along with “I’m with Fred ‘08!” and “It’s a Fredalanche!”
And just wondering for all the Fredheads put there, if Fred is running against so many RINO liberals and is, quote, “the clear conservative choice,” how come as soon as he got in he’s been in a tailspin in the polls?
Don’t answer. I know you’re going to say “evil MSM dinosaur media hates Fred! It’s a blackout! It’s all evil RINO liberals trying to pawn themselves off as conservative!”
And basically anything other than Fred himself. I don’t try and scapegoat the media or Fred’s so-called “clear conservatism” (clearly laxadaisacal in application, more like) when my guy Romney is faring badly.
BKennedy on January 8, 2008 at 8:24 AM
Hmmm, a couple of points to think about.
First
Personally, I could give a rat’s @ss about Iowa or NH, or any other state except my own - because that’s where I’ll be voting (no offense to the people in those states). I don’t vote by consensus, that’s not what democracy is about. I will vote my conscience, in this case, baring something extraordinary, it will be for Fred.
Second
If Fred doesn’t get the republican nomination, then he should run as an independent. For years people have said that this two party system was a sham, that one side was as bad as the other. Well, now could be the time to change that. How about a Conservative party? We see too many RINO’s leading the republican party down the wrong path, so maybe it’s time we start a new revolution in politics. People will say third party politics don’t work, well you might ask Joe Lieberman about that!
So, it’s up to us, not some slick pollster or MSM talking head to decide who we want to be the next president. If it’s Fred, then don’t give up hope, and vote for him. Same goes for any candidate. If you have faith in them, and want them as your leader, then vote for them - it’s all quite simple actually. Even some 200 year old guys could figure it out!
saukeye on January 8, 2008 at 9:06 AM
It does not matter if Fred is the only Conservative in the race if he cannot win.
He cannot win.
POTUS is about more than idealogy, it is about competence and leadership. Fred appears short on both if you honestly look at his record as a Senator.
The only bill he worked hard to support is McCain/Feingold/Thompson.
EJDolbow on January 8, 2008 at 9:51 AM
the current crop of Rep. candidates all talk well, smile well and juggle well.
this player inertia shows a lack of understanding on the electorates part.
the voters so far, look like consumer ninnies.
when all the crap is cut, fred is the one with the right brain for the job.
jimmer on January 8, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Second Amendment rights-FRED’s got it
Anti-abortion-FRED’s got it (even tho he did lobby for the pro-abortion group oh so many years ago haha)
WOT-FRED’s got it
Illegal Immigration-FRED’s got it
Social Security-FRED’s got it
Taxes-FRED’s got it
The others have *changed* so much, their own mother couldn’t recognize them.
FREDALANCHE@
annexwcp on January 8, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Straight question. Aside from SCOTUS, do you think the next President will have the opportunity and votes to move toward restrictions on the 2nd?
Spirit of 1776 on January 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Check out what is happening as we type.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=weeklyreport-000002652048
annexwcp on January 8, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Ugh. Maybe I will get the hang of these button-thingies soon.
Check out what is happening as we type.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=weeklyreport-000002652048
annexwcp on January 8, 2008 at 10:23 AM
I think the rise of Huck is basically a message to the Republican party. Think about it … previously, the evangelical base was first being blamed for the Dem takeover last election cycle, then the MSM was perpetuating the myth that evangelicals are being ignored and will likely stay home in 2008 as payback. Some evangelical leaders tried to scream to get noticed, but were told that elect-ability was more important than “petty” issues like abortion, marriage, church/state (most underestimate how important these “petty” issues are to evangelicals… abortion for most evangelicals is a non-negotiable.) Huck saw this and decided to tap into that base by talking the evangelical talk (sprinkled with fear mongering about Mormons). What better way to send a message to the republican establishment than to up the poll numbers of a candidate that could only be popular because of his evangelical cred? Its a simple message….. don’t ignore us.
If Fred, or anyone else for that matter, would reach out to the evangelicals, saying “yes” to the important evangelical issues (primarily abortion), and also on all the other conservative issues, I think it would be easy to peel them away from Huck.
Note: For non-evangelicals to demean evangelicals by calling them dim-wits, one issue voters, idiots, or corn-suckers will not win them over. It will do exactly what the MSM wants, divide the party.
AverageJoe on January 8, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I saw FRED’s tour bus yesterday in Duncan, SC. (near Greenville) so I had to honk my horn to give him some dap…
FRED WILL TAKE S.C. BY STORM!!!
MechEng5by5 on January 8, 2008 at 10:39 AM
I don’t think you’ll see any candidates slapping BOR or Rush too hard. Those two men have the attention of more Americans every day then exists in any candidates wetest dream (and therefore moocho public influence)
Ernest on January 8, 2008 at 10:39 AM
No ideas what that means, but i’m broke(poor) and don’t drink caffeine or alcohol..
I wouldn’t mind meeting some nice people though, I’m in MN now originally from NW Indiana.
Chakra Hammer on January 8, 2008 at 4:40 PM
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