Hot Air poll results: Huck 48.6%, Obama 18%, Stay Home 33.3%
posted at 8:38 pm on January 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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699 votes seems like a nice meaty sample. Figure two-thirds of that 33% is bluffing and will pull the lever for Huck when push comes to shove. Figure half of the remainder can also be won over by Huck pandering to the base for months on end during the campaign. That still leaves you with almost 15% staying home or crossing the aisle. Look upon these results, my friends. This way lies ruin.
He’s already up 17 in South Carolina, which you’ll recall is the linchpin of the conservative nightmare scenario. Even if Mitt wins tomorrow and then beats him on his homecourt in Michigan, Huck’s still primed to go into SC in or near the lead and pushing hard for evangelical endorsements.
Maybe Ace is right. Maybe it’s a rebuilding year.
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And thank God for them! You do remember what came next, don’t you?
Reagan.
Guess who comes next if we all show up and vote for Huckabee.
Another Carter.
Gregor on January 7, 2008 at 9:27 PM
GOOD GRAVY!!!
Huck is easily fooled by a rapist who got out and murdered a gal. Huck WANTS to be the CHRISTIAN candidate and will govern as such. He would rather fall for the “I repent” BS so as to fulfill his religious commitments, than he would to call the bluff of Kim Jung fool and aloonyboonyjob. That is the mantra of those and those like them. Huck will lap up their BS apologies and weaken us in every area of US security.
Exposing Huck for the person who is much like Jesus, and as he said, would have been smarter than to get into politics.
IMO, THAT is the way to beat the Jesus candidate without attacking his faith.
csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 9:28 PM
We call it CatholicLite: all of the fun and none of the guilt.
tree hugging sister on January 7, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Well if a Democrat gets into office there may not be a next election. lol
EnochCain on January 7, 2008 at 9:29 PM
SECOND LOOK AT CAPTAIN MORGAN AND THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS!
SouthernPride on January 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM
the Paultard is Episcoplian, though I’d argue his real religion is his view of the role of govt.
jp on January 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM
LOL! There’s absolutely nothing listed there that we don’t get with Huckabee. Good job.
Gregor on January 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM
You know Big A there are some times when I’ve just about had it with your snark.
But it’s then I realize that it’s your ingrained controversial nature that rules the day for you.
You really think, “what can I do today that will blow the doors off my blog hits” non-stop 24/7.
This whole thing is a game for you.
You really think that somehow the world is a better place because of your ornery antagonistic nature.
The other way you could get more blog hits is by thinking that the world is a better place because of me.
See, others are more important than just for comments.
We do give you ideas, but will you ever acknowledge it?
Noooo of course not.
If your so great why don’t you take my suggestion and get a poll going to see if we really think that Huck would win in the general. That matters more in my view.
But is my view important. Noooo of course not.
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P.S.
I’ll leave it to the newbies to determine if I’m serious or not.
P.P.S. Your welcome.
Mcguyver on January 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM
If Huck were to get the GOP nod, vs Obama for the dems (and were getting WAY ahead of ourselves there anyway) You think than NOT voting is the better way to go?
I still say…you don’t vote, than don’t complain. I’m voting for Fred in my state’s primary…so I’m no RINO…but if Fred doesn’t make it, I’m voting GOP over DEM no matter who gets the nod.
JetBoy on January 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM
GWB didn’t govern from the bible. Huck does. He has constantly made decisions based on his personal beliefs in Jesus instead of what was best for the people of this country. Expect to see many ads in SC showing Huck showing compassion for a guy who went on to murder. Not only is Huck a liberal, but Huck makes poor decisions.
csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 9:31 PM
In any other election,standing for one’s principal’s is
noble,but however the bigger picture is Islamofachist
want the United States gone,and Israel wiped off the map.
I might be the only person that wants the United States,
to stand up against these thugs,and when needed,aid Israel
if push comes to shove!
canopfor on January 7, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Watching Hannity and some other guy and they Frank Luntz with his focus group on. 2 comments from the women in his group give you a good insight into the mind of the American electorate.
#1 Changed her mind from McCain to Romney because a friend mentioned that McCain is too old. She didn’t talk about his policies, oh no a friend said he was too old.
#2 Said she wouldn’t vote for Guilani because he didn’t come to the state. Hey honey what makes you special? The rest of the country gets stiffed from the candidates while they go pander to Iowa and NH. Typical New England Bluenose attitude. Once again not because of policies or positions but because she feels stiffed.
That is why a true conservative doesn’t stand a chance. Truth, they can’t handle the truth.
Just A Grunt on January 7, 2008 at 9:32 PM
That’s it right there. We can lay aside his faith for a moment and look at how he makes decisions, regardless of his beliefs. He makes crappy decisions. Plain and simple. That’s not likely to change, going forward.
TexasDan on January 7, 2008 at 9:33 PM
I was hoping someone would say it..
saus on January 7, 2008 at 9:33 PM
What makes you think Huckabee will be any better than Obama on the war? His party affiliation? Nothing he’s said gives me any confidence of his ability to handle American foreign policy.
Slublog on January 7, 2008 at 9:34 PM
That’s a very good point. So I’m wondering why it is that you insist on voting for a liberal to represent the conservative Party. Huh? If everyone is so concerned about this, then they should be voting for Fred Thompson.
Do you really think Mike Huckabee is going to nominate conservative Justices? How about McCain? What sort of Justices will we get with McCain after he’s done “reaching across the aisle?”
It’s funny listening to those of you who are insisting on voting for liberal Republicans whine about us ‘causing a liberal to win.’
Gregor on January 7, 2008 at 9:34 PM
And there’s you’re real objection with him. (no I’m not saying all anti-hucks are that for the same reason, but I would say about half are.)
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Heh!
Weight of Glory on January 7, 2008 at 9:36 PM
I agree with you…I guess its just depressing to me that we are screwed whether its a (R) or (D) in office.
EnochCain on January 7, 2008 at 9:37 PM
WastelandMan on January 7, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Selfish? I held my nose and voted for Bush in 2004. What did I get for my vote? The highest spending of ANY PRESIDENT. I got 80% of my son’s school speaking spanish as the first language. I got an effort to but an unqualified crony on the Supreme court. I got a commander in chief that almost lost a war to a bunch of uneducated religious fantatics because he will not engage the real enemy. I got an expansion of federal power into the state’s education system. I am also now paying from the drugs of senior citizens. I got a 9 TRILLION dollar debt that my children and grandchildren will have to pay. I got a sinking dollar, I got forgein countries and companies buying up most of America. I got lower wage increases and higher food and energy costs. I got all of this and I didn’t even get a stinking T-shirt for my trouble or vote. So I am being selfish because I WILL NOT be a party any longer to the delince and fall of the country I love. Both Huck and Barrack want to expand governmental power, decrease freedom, increase governmental spending, cut and run from the war. Why would I vote for either one? Because they have an R or D beside their name? No thank you. I will stay home at least then I can say I told you so. When the s**t hits the fan. Now if a Mitt or a Fred gets the nod. I will be more than happy to vote since there is a slim chance that one of these two men can actually decrease government control over my life and give me back some of my freedoms that the federal government has swallowed over the last 60+ years.
unseen on January 7, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Alright AP…
Why not have a poll showing Hucky going up against our Champion, HRH. Curious to see how many would jump the GOP ship and vote for Ms. “You hurt my feelings”. Would all just stay home and allow her to take the Presidency? Or is it just an “Obama” thing for all you stay at homers and turn coats?
SouthernPride on January 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I saw the poll but didn’t vote. I am not impressed with the Huckster; Can’t stand Hillary; and am NOT an Obama fan.
Having said that, I will (more than likely) vote next November for the “Lesser of Two Evils” (whomever they may be). Just like I did for “W” in 2004!
I would love to vote for Thompson; He’s intelligent and can articulate – But has no fire.
McCain – I WOULD STAY HOME (while thanking him for his service in VN)!
Romney, Articulate; Intelligent; but likely to waffle from the strait and narrow.
Hunter, A great guy at the wrong time. For some reason (MSM, whatever) not catching on…
Agree with the prior poster, “If you don’t vote – DON’T COMPLAIN”!!!
Sometimes ya gotta hold your nose and just do it. It looks like this will be one of those times!!!
FloridaBill on January 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM
True about the fence. All suck. None of them want it, except Thompson maybe. I think Romney is the most likely to accomplish it, even though he had no interest in controlling illegals when he was beholden to the libs of MA. I think he will do what the people who elect him want.
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM
You don’t have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.
- Barry Goldwater
If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet, they could do us in. When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these like
Pat RobertsonMike Huckabee [updated] and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.Well, I’ve spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the ‘Old Conservatism.’ And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength. Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. By maintaining the separation of church and state, the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars. Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone not see the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?
The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others, less the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn’t stop now. To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic.
Every good Christian should line up and kick
Jerry Falwell’sMike Huckabee’s [updated] ass.- Barry Goldwater
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Ditto
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Huckabee and his campaign are are a bunch of classless lowlifes…The guy is just slimy, and has a horrendous record on everything from taxes to immigration.
therightwinger on January 7, 2008 at 9:40 PM
I was around for the Carter years, and the more I think about it the more Obama looks like Carter II. A likeable
guy, relatively light on experience, preaching unity after a period of division — being treated as a Christ-like figure (I still remember a placard with a back-lit, beatifically smiling Carter with the words “JC Can Save America” emblazoned below) — the press swooning over how “intelligent” he is (many accounts ran emphasizing the detail that Carter was a nuclear engineer while in the Navy).
One Carter was bad enough. If the Republicans can’t get their act together, we may end up having to survive another one.
docob on January 7, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Tanc endorsed him. I give Tanc a lot of credibility on the immigration issue.
Spirit of 1776 on January 7, 2008 at 9:41 PM
She’d also probably win. But Obama’s the most likely nominee right now.
amerpundit on January 7, 2008 at 9:42 PM
That’s why (and the only reason why) if I can’t have Fred, I’ll take Mitt.
conservnut on January 7, 2008 at 9:45 PM
I take it a lack of attacks on U.S. soil is meaningless to you?
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 9:46 PM
I don’t read Ace much but if he’s anything like you I have to say all this bombast is hilarious in light of the fact that you were begging those of us who refuse to vote for someone like Giuliani to do it for the good of the party/country. It now seems that your integrity has been flushed down the toilet once the tables changed. Pathetic.
Darth Executor on January 7, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Doesn’t anyone see it but me? Where were the Republican red ties in the last debates? Huck and Obama are both trying to blur the lines between the party’s. Is this a prelude to a one party system. The evangelicals are truely blinded by the light. It will be too late when they wake up and smell the cross burning.
sonnyspats1 on January 7, 2008 at 9:49 PM
And those who threatened then have very little basis upon which to criticize now. Maybe next time, they’ll reconsider using threats as a power play, lest their tactic be used against them.
Slublog on January 7, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Sheriff Joe also endorsed Romney.
If he is good enough for both of them, how could he not be good enough for me?
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 9:53 PM
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 9:46 PM
yes. Meaningless. Because if the threat was as big as
peopleBush Whitehouse says than why in the hell is the border not closed. Either the threat is not there or Bush has been lucky. Either way Bush gets no credit from me for no attacks. He has imported 12 million forgein nationals into our country. A percentage of these nationals commit murders of US citizens everyday. They kill US citizens with DWI’s, gang warfare, murders, etc. These 12 million forgien nationals deprive US citizens of funds, healthcare, quality education. In short this invasion of 12 million forgien nationals has done more damage to our country then 10 9/11’s could have done. And to top things off we are not safer today than we were on 9/12. We still have an open border that can be used at any time on any day to smuggle WMD’s into the country. We still have an invasion ongoing and we still have the very real threat of our freedoms being eroded further with another attack.unseen on January 7, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Allahpundit never said that about Rudy. He was on the opposite side of that debate.
joewm315 on January 7, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Someone commented about how similar the Obama and Huckabee radio ads from the Boston stations are.
Also, it’s like the Steyn article said– Christian Left vs. Secular Left. Seems like only the Christian Right can truly call Huckabee’s bluff. Don’t know if they’re ready for that fight, especially since it needs to start yesterday.
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 9:54 PM
I’m proud to say Goldwater was an Arizonan… and so is Sherriff Joe. Hopefully that’ll lead you to forgive us for McCain.
joewm315 on January 7, 2008 at 9:56 PM
I don’t know Sheriff Joe (but I know who he is). I think I said it at the time, to my knowledge I’ve never had an endorsement affect me my view, but this one did.
Spirit of 1776 on January 7, 2008 at 9:56 PM
this one = Tancredo o/c
Spirit of 1776 on January 7, 2008 at 9:57 PM
So about two months ago, it was “the Christians will stay home if Rudy wins. They’re stupid.” Now it’s, “If Huck wins, we’re staying home.” Seems that you forgot the last part of that equation the second time.
They don’t make a bumper sticker labeled, “Don’t blame me–I didn’t vote”. There’s a reason why.
Darin on January 7, 2008 at 9:58 PM
I don’t give Jorge “ROP” Arbusto credit for that.
He has left our borders wide open, years after 9/11, and his administration has issued visas to the Middle East, including especially Saudi Arabia where most or the 9/11 terrorist came from, like there has been a fire sale.
We went many years under Clinton without an attack, do you praise him?
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 9:59 PM
True, but in the mean time (no one can get in the race now and have any hope) I’d rather have a slow fuse that can be pulled than a detonator.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 9:59 PM
JiangxiDad:
Thanks for the support.
I read all of the prior posts, some of which say they will stay home if the nominee is the Huckster. They claim this is because of “Principle”…
I’ll never forget the words of my father (a VERY good attorney – YES, there are some): Who told me; after I had property stolen from me; judgement entered against the thief; and no payments for 3 or 4 years; and I wanted him to sue because “It’s not the money Dad, It’s the “Principle” of the thing”…
The reply was: Short, deep chuckle, “Son, it’s been my experience that THE most expensive thing in the world to litigate is PRINCIPLE”!!! And he wasn’t going to charge me!!!
Agree with another prior poster: Vote “Principle” in the primarys – Party in the general” (although I would change Party to ideology).
Vote in whichever way is LEAST LIKELY to advance socialism or communism, and if your not sure, vote to advance them the LEAST! There WILL be other elections and OTHER candidates!!!
FloridaBill on January 7, 2008 at 10:00 PM
You weren’t watching the news much during the clinton years were you?
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 10:00 PM
OK next you’ll be telling me that islamofacists are the new right! I mean how right can you get in a socio-con sence of the word, but a little lacking in the law and order department. Just think of the savings within the Department of Corrections.
sonnyspats1 on January 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM
SECOND LOOK AT THE PARTING OF THE
SEACONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT.I’m getting really annoyed at so many on the other thread, and some here, lecturing the “…what you did and what you got in 2006,…and what you’ll deserve if you stay home in 2008″.
These are the primaries. If the yahoos pick Huckabee, they can be accountable for the ars-kicking he’ll get in Nov.
We fully deserve what we did/got in 2006. They will fully deserve what they’re doing now. I want nothing to do with it. I’ll die before I vote for a liberal, but I don’t have to contribute to the other idiocy, and then live with it.
Now, put all that energy into stopping Huckabee, and I’ll listen carefully again.
And before the lectures about religion come in. I could care less about the one of any of the candidates. Huckabee is not conservative and will lose handily. Should he win by magic, he’d be a disaster for this country. Why should I contribute to that?
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Oh pish posh. You disappoint me, Allah – ye of such little faith and even less panoramic vision! For the distraction of a single Huckleberry bush, you deprive yourself of the comfort of the vision of a whole forest of conservative Republican victories this November. Therefore I, your humble Captain Nemo, will dare to predict the future. Let not your heart be troubled.
Obama’s rise, like Huckabee’s, will be meteoric: spectacular, but brief. The candle that burns twice as bright burns only half as long. Mrs. Clinton will secure the nomination of her party, but the victory will be a Pyrrhic one and the Democrats will be left even more deeply divided than the Republicans appear to be at this moment. Keep an eye on the Nutroots and the Kos Kids – they will do more to harm her than help her.
Meanwhile, on the Republican side, the Huckster will be exposed for the bullflopping, aw-shucks Elmer Gantry fraud he truly is. Trust Captain Nemo, Allah…his political Calvary is quickly approaching and the inevitable political crucifixion he will endure will atone for the sins of no one, not even himself.
McCain’s brief moment of glory will likewise fade. Outside of New Hampshire, in which the primaries are overrun by independents (those political morons who have not quite figured out what they actually believe), his star will go dark quickly. Red State America will never forgive Mr. Amnesty for his betrayal, Hanoi Hilton to the contrary notwithstanding.
Alas for those who support him, Rudy will have no choice but to go gently into that good political night. The nation is not quite ready to bear the burden of the baggage he brings with him or tolerate that annoying lisp.
Duncan Hunter – God Bless him – will likely bow out after the SC primaries.
Ron Paul? I suspect the only remedy for Uncle Ron is a hefty dose of Ritalin…and a leash. Rumors of an independent run are just that. The blimp will be deflated and the material hopefully recycled into condoms which, with any amount of luck, his male supporters will employ with diligence, thereby sparing the body politic of the ignominy of any increase in their political tribe.
The fallout of the bloody, three-way cage match between Romney, Huckabee and McCain will leave Mitt standing but wounded.
During this time, look for Hillary to swerve left in an attempt to placate the psychotic left wing of the once great Democratic party. Her rhetoric will be sufficiently frightening to scare any Republican voter with the brains that God (or Darwin – take your pick) gave the Captain’s golden retriever to gravitate toward the antithesis of Hillary. And the antithesis of Hillary is NOT Mitt Romney.
This leaves us with (GASP! Horrors!) Fred. Yes, Fred. Good old, boring, stodgy, rambling Fred Dalton Thompson – the only candidate of the bunch who can truly be called a Conservative Republican.
The Captain boldly predicts that Fred will grow on people. They will feel comforted by his calm (if occasionally soporific) demeanor. He speaks with intelligence and authority. He chooses his words slowly and deliberatively. He exudes wisdom and gravitas (that awful pundit word again). He is what he is: a known and measurable quantity. No surprises. No upsets. No flip flops. Just consistency. Take him or leave him.
The voters will take him, Allah. In huge numbers. Hillary will lose the 2008 presidential election by a landslide.
That’s my prediction and I’m standing by it.
NemoParticularis on January 7, 2008 at 10:05 PM
You are hereby personally absolved my son.
Say two hail Barry’s and one love that Joe.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Again I’m going to agree with you. Some like Gregor might think that is just a slower death, and I’ve thought that sometimes myself. But, I’ve also come to see that ideologies come into and out of fashion, and generations pass.
The passing of the Clinton generation is a wonderful thing. Simply waiting them and their cohorts out may be enough to cause great damage to liberalism. (Same may be true for European socialists who may have overplayed their hands.)
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Great comment. I love what your father said.
1. Throw Huckabee out in the primaries – he is for socialism, open borders, social experimentation with our taxes, bleeding heart for this, that, the other, no foreign policy experience, etc….not a conservative
2. Vote for him just because he’s not Obama, and has an R behind his name?
Again, I agree with all you wrote, but it doesn’t match with Huckabee and what he stands for, who he is.
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM
After reading all the vote versus stay at home comments, all I can say is what my Dad used to say;
“After the election you can complain about the guy you voted for or the S.O.B you voted against but you CANNOT complain at all if you don’t vote.”
Put up or shut up.
Guardian on January 7, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Bryan has talked about splits in the S.Baptists going back a decade or more. Remember Carter and some other libs went one way. Don’t know all the details.
Weight of Glory and others have commented here about the split in the Episcopal church.
The Christians seems to be having a political argument, and it’s showing up in the elections. I think we’ll see more evidence of it before it’s over.
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I warned y’all in another thread that SC evangelicals will do exactly what Iowa’s evangelicals did…vote for Huckabee simply because he’s an evangelical. That SurveyUSA poll is interesting in that illegal immigration is THE #1 issue in SC, but they still continue to support the evangelical eventhough his record on illegals is 180 from what they want. *sigh*
SouthernGent on January 7, 2008 at 10:13 PM
RW Wacko on January 7, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Thank you, Father ;)
Hail Barry, Hail Barry, love that Joe!
Now that I have that RINO stink off of me, I shall commit another potential trespass by saying that I will probably end up voting for Huckabee in the general should it come down to it (please, PLEASE don’t let it come down to it!). My sole reason for this is the appointment of pro-life judges, which I know Huckabee can be trusted to do. That is probably the only issue I can support him on.
I’m not much of a social con myself: I can’t bring myself to see gay people as a threat to my way of life and I’m perfectly fine with individual states allowing them to get married. I can’t sacrifice the abortion issue, though. It’s too big to me.
joewm315 on January 7, 2008 at 10:14 PM
If it’s Obama vs the Huckster then my vote goes to General Zod!
dawgyear on January 7, 2008 at 10:14 PM
MB4, if this NemoParticularis’ prediction stands, your 2008 batch of free Springerle will be delivered elsewhere for X-mas. I’m sure you wouldn’t mind, though the chances, as it stands now, shouldn’t depress you.
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I am not aware of any major party communist candidates. Socialist – well it’s all a matter of degree I suppose.
Clue me in chronologically then. I can take it.
Show me where we never went years without an attack on our soil under Clinton.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Guardian:
“Put up or shut up”
Well said Sir!
FloridaBill on January 7, 2008 at 10:18 PM
That struggle is very much present, and it will manifest itself at all political levels.
Weight of Glory on January 7, 2008 at 10:18 PM
If NemoParticularis’ prediction comes to be I will bake him a big batch of Springerle myself!!!
Of course my Springerle will be for ornamentation purposes only.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM
I don’t know what the argument was all about here… but I have to say WTC 1993, plus the Embassy and Cole bombings (which I know weren’t on “our soil”), but then there was the lucky Millenium Bomber grab (something Clinton takes credit for, but had nothing to do with him, it was just a member of border patrol doing a good job), and then we had the events of 9/11 planned while Clinton was in office and his policies kept intelligence from notifying law enforcement about suspected terrorists who went on to lead the 9/11 attacks.
RightWinged on January 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM
But because it is still simmering and not boiling over, Huckabee is getting a pass. Do I have that right?
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Partly. It is also because new movements have a very hard time finding its footing at first. Finding its “voice” as it were. And because of that disability, the simmering, as you mentioned, is the de facto state. Usually, what helps, is extreme outside forces, that demand a response. 9-11 had a huge impact in that regard, but it will likely take more than that.
Weight of Glory on January 7, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Huck, the Elmer Gantry of the rep candidates. A dangerous narcissist looking to fulfill his view of himself as the holiest person who will make the US a nation governed by the bible.
csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 10:30 PM
There was Oklahoma City, The bomb at the Olympics, the garage of the Towers and that’s just off the top of my head. The fact is even during this time there was the plotting, planning, and preparing for 9-11 and others during the clinton years and no one was being picked up.
The Bush admin has been busting people left as right before they get to act and that is the point of it. Then there’s the point of going after them even outside the U.S. which also creats a magnet for Jihadis for the military.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Yes…for now. Be patient, my young Jedi, be patient. If you place your ear to the ground and concentrate you might…you just might..hear sixteen hoofbeats – the approaching horsemen of Huckabee’s own political Apocalypse.
NemoParticularis on January 7, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Wishful thinking Buddy.
Hillary is done.
Fred is done.
Rudy is done.
McCain is done.
Huck and Mitt duke it out.
Obama wins primary.
Bloomberg is in, splits loony vote.
Conservative candidate wins.
MARK. MY. WORDS.
Mcguyver on January 7, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Does anybody else get an insecure feeling about Bush going to Jerusalem, after that threat from the jihaad nut?
Or is it just me?
Mcguyver on January 7, 2008 at 10:34 PM
MB4:
It’s not entirely about attacks on our soil. It’s about your political philosphy, but does include attacks on our soil.
It’s about believing that your money is YOUR money.
It’s about knowing that your city, county, state is YOUR city, county, State. And that the opinions of their respective electorates, INDIVIDUALLY, are represented!
It’s about knowing that each level of govenment, from city to county, to state, to federal KNOWS its place in the scheme of things (as directed by the constitution). Each RESPECTING the others authority!
It’s about REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY – Not applying a “One Size Fits All” scenario upon ALL the citizens of our great nation!
My paragraphs are broad statements of philosphy (ideology). but I believe them to be correct. You may believe otherwise, as is your right, but don’t try to pin down an ideological belief with an historical fact. Not germain to the statement. Not consistant with the comment, sir.
BTW, I misplaced my glasses earlier today and am having a hard time typing. I apologise for misspellings!
FloridaBill on January 7, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Of course then there is Jorge Arbusto who puts border patrol agents in prison for 10 plus years for shooting some drug runner illegal in the butt.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 10:36 PM
That struggle is very much present, and it will manifest itself at all political levels.
Weight of Glory on January 7, 2008 at 10:18 PM
This is not a battle of Christians. It is what it’s always been a battle of liberalism vs conservatism. Huck wants to take us left. As a Christian I could care less if he was a christian, a muslim, God forbid an atheist, or Ron Paul believer. If Huck wanted to take us towards conservatism, less government, less lawyers, less PC crapola then I would vote for him. As it is his only good idea the FAIR TAX will never pass regardless of what he does.
Conservatism to me is not having morals pushed down my throat, it is having the government out of ALL my life as much as possible. It is not the government’s job to spend my money, tell me who I can date, what school to go to, what I can learn in that school, what website I can access, if I can gamble, if I can own my guns, where I can take those guns, what God to pray too, listen in on my conversations, prevent me from criminal acts, tell me to buckle up for my own good, tell me what to eat, when to exercise, what to smoke, what and how much to drink.
It is the government’s job to protect me from forgein nutcases with tanks and missles. Not some loony down the street with a gun. I can take care of myself.
It is the governments job to build roads, dams, bridges. It’s the government’s job to secure our borders and to make sure we have fair free safe markets. It is the governments job to punish criminals after they commit crimes. It is the government’s job help to citizen’s during unexpected events like floods, fires, earthquakes. Things that are above and beyond the avg person’s abilitty to deal with on their own.
Sadly the government is doing most of what it shouldn’t and little of what it should. Huck would IMO make it that much worse.
unseen on January 7, 2008 at 10:36 PM
I just did, along with the date and the time. The Nautilus will surface in November. Nemo will be merciful.
NemoParticularis on January 7, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Just you, Mcguyver. Just you.
NemoParticularis on January 7, 2008 at 10:38 PM
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Don’t worry about spelling. Only anal retentives correct spelling. And teachers.
csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Sorry, that was supposed to be “dayum.”
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Unseen:
I agree with you 90% of the way.
I can live with that!
FloridaBill on January 7, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Wow, could that response have been any less related to my comment?
RightWinged on January 7, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Rush, Hannity, Beck..somebody has to make a move to crush the Huckachuck. It doesn’t help that this guy continually gets attention from Fox News and H & C. Enough already. It’s amazing to be that his horrendous record has not been exposed on a broader scale. Endorse Fred or Mitt..put an end to this.
therightwinger on January 7, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Wow, this kid has moxy.
I said it’s gonna be Fred and Hillary duking it out last summer. Hey, it could happen.
Mojave Mark on January 7, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Oh great – a sleazy “compassionate conservative” anti-evolution clown and a left-wing affirmative action poster boy with a mother whiter than mine.
I’m going to stay home and watch “SpongeBob Squarepants”
TexasJew on January 7, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Battery warning on laptop, must go!
All the best to everyone, as a newby, THANKS Michelle, Brian, and, of course, Allah!
FloridaBill on January 7, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Lol, Mcguyver, I thought about that this afternoon, and to my shame, all I could do was chuckle imagining what the nutroots and troofer blogs would say for years to come once we finished thrashing the Palestinians in reprisal:
“Reichstag fire! Bush is alive and well on Rove’s private island!!”
joewm315 on January 7, 2008 at 10:44 PM
No no! I think you misunderstood me. Or rather, I didn’t make myself clear. The new evangelical movement is the one that says, “Huck being a Christian doesn’t make me vote for him.” The new movement understands the difference between the kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Man, and doesn’t try to make the one into the other. This is a movement in its infancy, one that seeks out higher church and more liturgy. One that gravitates towards Lewis, Chesterton, Luther, Calvin, Aquinas (yes, that one!), Augustine, Tertullian, Clement, etc.
Weight of Glory on January 7, 2008 at 10:44 PM
And just how again has Jorge “ROP” Arbusto, who has left our borders wide open and whose administration has issued visas to the ME, including particuarly to Saudi Arabia where most of the 9/11 terrorists came from, like there was a fire sale safeguarded us from terrorists attacks or kept so many Americans from being killed by illegals?
As for your broad statements of philosophy, well now you know that don’t pay the rent.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Wow, could you be anymore offencive?
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 10:46 PM
FloridaBill on January 7, 2008 at 10:40 PM
see americans can still compromise.
unseen on January 7, 2008 at 10:46 PM
That is exactly what I was asking you about. Thank you.
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Slu, not a single one of those idiots is a Republican. Why bother with that nonsense.
Jaibones on January 7, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Didn’t realize you’d already tallied results over here when I posted on the original polling page. Apologies if this has already been covered up thread:
With 838 votes counted, 48.2% would vote for Huckabee and 51.8% would vote Obama or stay home. And this is a nominally conservative website.
If more than half of your own party won’t vote for you, you might as well close up shop and save everybody a lot of time and money. If, by some miracle, you persuaded the whole 32.7% at home to come on down, it would still only net you 61.8% of your own likely voters.
The real nitty gritty, I suppose, is the breakdown of Huckabee’s 48.2%. How many of ‘em would just hold their noses and vote for any Republican nominee, and how many of them would actually go out and vote for Obama if Huckabee were not on the Republican ticket?
JM Hanes on January 7, 2008 at 10:49 PM
It’s important to note that if everyone voted principle in the primary, we wouldn’t be having this argument. Fred Thompson would be the nominee and conservatives would all be motivated to vote on election day.
Instead, we have weak minded conservatives who are throwing up the white flag and voting for liberal Republicans “because they can win.”
Every conservative voter should ask themselves that question before voting in the primary.
Are you voting on principle in the primary? Or are you actually assisting in the theft of your conservative Party?
Gregor on January 7, 2008 at 10:49 PM
LOL!
No mercy needed from nemo.
I is corrrrect!
Mcguyver on January 7, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Actually, a nation’s embassies – as well as its naval vessels – are considered to be its “soil.” Thus, when Pius IX set foot upon the deck of USS Constitution during her 1849 visit to Italy, it was, technically, the very first time a Roman pontiff set foor on US soil.
NemoParticularis on January 7, 2008 at 10:50 PM
the very first time a Roman pontiff set
foorFOOT on US soil.Damn my feeble eyes.
NemoParticularis on January 7, 2008 at 10:52 PM
That’s not offensive. Just honest. And funny.
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Heh. I had to go back to see what you were talking about.
Honestly, just making a joke. I googled republicans for obama as a joke and had no idea those folks were around.
Slublog on January 7, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Weight of Glory on January 7, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Yes. But if you drill down. Those that most want Ceaser and God to share the same throne are at heart liberals that believe that government is the solution. Thus it is the age old battle raging on.
unseen on January 7, 2008 at 10:52 PM
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