Hot Air poll: Obama vs. Huckabee
posted at 4:50 pm on January 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Inspired by today’s page one WaPo splash. My worry is that no one on our side matches up well with the Messiah: Romney’s too plastic, McCain’s too old, Rudy’s too one-note, and Huck’s really just selling a less historic, less charismatic version of what Obama’s selling himself. Fred would present the starkest contrast but I’m not confident in his abilities on the trail and a “tradition vs. change” campaign smells like a loser to me this time. Bill Kristol thinks Huck would stand a chance, especially if Bloomberg jumped in to pull votes from Obama, but would a de facto Democrat like Bloomberg really jump in if Obama’s the nominee? He won’t beat him; at most, he’d play spoiler for the Republicans.
The world’s leading “conservative of doubt” expects plenty of aisle-crossing come November by disgruntled Republicans who aren’t “anti-immigrant,” so let’s test that theory with the following poll. All I ask is that you vote how you expect to vote in the winter. Don’t just hit “I’m staying home” in a fit of pique over Huck. Imagine yourself faced with the very real possibility of a Democratic victory. Hop to it.
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SECOND LOOK AT DEATH AS AN OPTION.
Enrique on January 7, 2008 at 6:56 PM
I hear ya Bro! but I am a Conservative way before I am a Republican.
It will be my great honor to write in Fred Thompson.
Fredalanche!©
TheSitRep on January 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM
They’re both worthless. If you do that, you’ll have the country on your conscience, and your friend E. Vote third party, even if it’s your brother/neighbor running.
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM
If one of the Three Shamnastyite Republicans becomes el Presidente what diff does it make as we will be scroomed anyway.
I would not count on four Supreme Court Justices anyway and besides no Republican is going to get an Alito or a Roberts through a dim Senate anyhow.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Again, just looking how quickly the inevitable ‘Mrs. President Clinton’ is sinking, this ain’t over, by far. Sooooo much can change. There will be many more threads like this one.
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Obama is on a roll.
peski on January 7, 2008 at 7:00 PM
@ RightWinged on January 7, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Are you for real? So I should vote for a douchebag for the president of the USA because he has an (R) next to his name? Sorry, but in the lesser of two evils category, Obama wins in a landslide. You think voting in Huckabee will protect us more from the terrorists? The instant he turns this into a religious war, which is what he has already stated through many of his speeches, the USA loses even MORE credibility, the muslim world unites against us and we are in all out war. I trust Obama, which is scary, MUCH more than I trust Huck. Also, I dont take kindly to people telling me that I am an “evildoer” because I dont believe in their particular god, that is ridiculous and a president should NEVER say such stupid things. As for the 2nd Amendment, which is one of my most important issues, I think they will be equal. The INSTANT there is a school shooting or a mall shooting or a cop shooting that is national news, Huckabee plays his f*cking compassion card and votes for a ban on certain types of guns. He is WORTHLESS on every issue, and the LAST thing we need in the US is to have a religious leader become president and start preaching from the highest office in the world.
muyoso on January 7, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Well, because its you E, being your gracious self, I’ll vote for my neighbor. I’m not sure how much good that will do us though… I live in Cambridge MA.
Zetterson on January 7, 2008 at 7:01 PM
@ Enrique on January 7, 2008 at 6:56 PM
HAHAHA, tell me about it.
muyoso on January 7, 2008 at 7:01 PM
What “team?”
The team that’s tried to import the remaining half of Mexico, which isn’t currently in the United States and living off the feedbag that’s our federal and state budgets?
The one that enacted the new, gigantic, economy-crippling entitlement known as Medicare Part D?
The one that’s responsible for Messrs Kennedy and Miller’s pet program, NCLB?
Huckabee is the nightmare scenario.
Everything that’s objectionable about President Bush with no of the redeeming qualities.
That goes for ninety percent of the other “leading” GOP candidates.
If it comes down to this I’m writing in the names of Sarah Palin and Michael Steele.
Gerard on January 7, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Dang, now you suggest a write-in. Well heck, I’ll pull that stick outta my eye and scribble in Fred! Border, guns, federalism, sound fiscally and in foreign relations. He11 fellers, what’s not to like!
second digit on January 7, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Vote for Huck. He supports the 2nd Amendment so you will still have the option to rebel.
mad saint jack on January 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM
I don’t think it’s quite the same. Both parties can ignore the voters who don’t show up. If, on the other hand, Wednesday morning rolls around and Mickey Mouse is polling at 10% I think both parties would have to pay attention to that.
RightOFLeft on January 7, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Glad to see you here, on such a convoluted day Enrique.
Zetterson, at least you won’t have to blame yourself several times, daily. I voted for a triple-PHd’d guy, along with his family, in 1996. By the time I came home it was over, so I protested. It felt good to at least not stay home.
MB4, hush mein Humor. No need to decide today. Let’s keep our wits together, at least some of us.
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 7:06 PM
I doubt there is anything Huck can do or say to make me vote for him. Everytime I hear from him I like him less.
I might be able to vote for Obama on the grounds that once he actually gets into office he will need to mold his pie in the sky naivety into something that works in the real world.
A crap shoot is better then a known bad. Obama
Resolute on January 7, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Incorrecto! Incorrecto! Incorrecto!
If the Republican party betrays the America people and gives us a Shamnastyite as it’s nominee, then it has voted in a dimocrat!
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM
larua
hey the guy i wanted is not in the race. he made one slip and he was doomed. with the way things are, you have to at least keep a R by the office.
i will vote for fred or rudy, have not totally decided yet. you asked, i don’t know but we have to go with what we got. I remember Bob Dole and what happened to him, i think some have forgotten.
where is our YOUNG, full of FIRE conservatives to leak the charge for Pres.
George Allen you dumb ass why did you have to call that guy Macaka.
CRAP!!!!!!
kara26 on January 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM
They may just need to be tared and feathered, water boarded and given an enema.
Repeat as many times as needed.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Any republican is better than any democrat, especially when they are anti-capitolism / pro socialism.
I’d even vote for Abramoff (spelling?) or Craig before any of the democratic candidates.
El Guapo on January 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM
Isn’t that redundant?
My bad.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Hillary made racial references in her speaches (including “working the plantation”), why wasnt she hung out to dry? oh i forgot, dems own the media.
El Guapo on January 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM
But it will not happen, that they will give us Huckabee, for reasons way and beyond amnesty. All, repeat this after me, by the millions!!!
In a few weeks it will be different. Hillary was going to be the inevitable president as recent as the Katie Couric interview.
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 7:20 PM
Isn’t that redundant? :)
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 7:21 PM
So…. instead of Huckabee some of you want a President who attends a Church that puts Africa first and foremost, even before America?
Here is Obama’s church
That frightens me folks.
SouthernPride on January 7, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Things have gotten so bad that losing our wits is probably the best option that we have left!!!
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 7:24 PM
I’d stay home as they are two sides of the same bad coin. Of course then I would have to find a country to live in if either one got into office. Much bad juju from either one.
limowilliam on January 7, 2008 at 7:25 PM
I thought I had it bad, but truly, I don’t know how you do it. My condolences.
JiangxiDad on January 7, 2008 at 7:27 PM
I’d stay home if Huckabee and Obama were the only choices, two peas in a pod – syrupy populism from one and if we were electing the guy to run the National Cathedral, Huckabee would be the right guy but I can see him beling laughed out of national capitals across he world.
If that yields 4 years of socialism, it’ll result in 16 of conservatism immediately thereafter.
Onager on January 7, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Not 100% redundant as I still have some work to do.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Look, he may be a RINO in a lot of areas and a turd in others, and he may have flaunted his religion out of desperation (it’s a campaign and he didn’t stand a chance otherwise), but if you look at the Democratic agenda which is essentially destroy our economy, raise taxes, bankrupt us with global warming BS, chat with our enemies and alienate true allies, and let the UN run the world. I would take just about any POS the GOP can put up there over any modern Democrat except maybe Joe Lieberman. I’ve said it before (and made the case) that the modern Democratic Party is nothing if not “evil”, and I’ll take a POS over evil any day.
Not sure what world you’re living in… but this is already the reality we face, guy.
Again, I don’t even like Huck… but at least he’s being open. Does Obama talk about his black supremacist church?
That’s just stupid and unrealistic. He couldn’t win running as “that guy” because he’s not. He played that angle in Iowa because he knew it was the only way he stood a chance with the base and there were enough idiots that followed him.
And MB4 and all the others… you can sit on your high horses all you want, taking the “principled” stand… it sure did us a lot of good in 2006, huh? I guess if we can’t get the guy we want, we should just totally flush the country down the toilet, right?
I really don’t think this matters, because I don’t think either of these guys will be the nominees.
I’m still going with Hillary vs. Rudy… again, I’m not fan of Rudy, but you better believe I’ll be in line like a Star Wars nerd to vote for him if the alternative is Hillary.
RightWinged on January 7, 2008 at 7:33 PM
No, at least we have wits, we have HA, and Americans are still happier than all others, contrary to all the news. We still are the lucky ones.
And, vive la difference!
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Huckabee/ McCain 2008.
Wise Golden on January 7, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Even if, and the odds are against it, a democrat does not win the White House in 2008, then one will win in 2012, and if not then in 2016 and if not then in 2020.
If a democrat being elected President is going to destroy the country then we are scroomed anyway.
BTW, we did survive Clinton and even Carter.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Excellent dude…excellent!
We live in dangerous times folks, or have some of you forgotten that?
SouthernPride on January 7, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Staying home unless Huck can convince me he would nominate, and fight for, constructionist justices.
csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 7:42 PM
OK, well I thought carefully about what you just said and all things considered I still think that under present circumstances we will be better off if we lose our wits.
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Ahhhh!!!! My God NO!!!! Make it stop!!!!! Thats not improbable enough anymore!!!!! NOOOO!!! WWWWHHHHHHYYYYYYY???!!!
Zetterson on January 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Why are we even concerned about what church a candidate attends?
See, this is why I can’t stand Huckaboob. He’s turned a presidential race into a friggin’ contest for lead pastor of Mt. Moriah.
Obama belongs to a conclave of Marxist bigots from the most corrupt realms of Crook County.
Why would it surprise anyone that he’s more interested in attending a church that peddles anachronistic socialist pabulum than preaching The Gospel?
To leftists, socialism is gospel.
This is not an either-or situation.
Presumably, the two major parties haven’t outlawed their opposition yet.
Gerard on January 7, 2008 at 7:46 PM
What I want to know is, if Huckabee is the nominee and most of us stay home, what the heck is going to happen to all of the “conservative” blogs? Are they going to promote a conservative third party candidate or maybe switch to an arts/entertainment format? I mean, let’s face it, most of Huckabee’s supporters aren’t here, they’re hanging out on Christian blogs. If Huck’s the nominee, what the hell are we going to talk about?
FloatingRock on January 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM
All of this is moot because Mike Huckabee will not be the Republican nominee. It will likely be Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani, both of which have a much better chance against
OsamaObama.Patriot33 on January 7, 2008 at 7:53 PM
…what are we going to talk about?
The World Champion New York Mets?
Don’t scoff, this Pagan kid has Ruthian potential.
Gerard on January 7, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Hey man, this thing ain’t over yet.
km on January 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Sorry Gerard, but at this point in time, I’d NEVER vote for an Islamic, mosque-going Presidential candidate. Would you?
After reading about Obama’s church, I will never vote for a man who attends services that puts forth ideals that places another Country before the US of A. His clearly does. Therefore, there are major differences between B. Hussein Obama and Huckleberry. Yes, religion is important to me and I do care about what church they attend.
SouthernPride on January 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Who do you want appointing justices to the SC? Huck may not be great, but better than the alternative (probably).
brak on January 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Funny! Best comment yet!
nottakingsides on January 7, 2008 at 8:01 PM
LOL, I’ve been wondering where you’ve been. I missed your nuanced arguments. :-)
SouthernDem on January 7, 2008 at 8:02 PM
I shouldn’t be getting involved and I didn’t vote in the poll because I don’t have any say in the US election, but the fact that it is not abundantly clear to every Republican that the only shot the right has in the general is with either Rudy or Mccain, & preferably both of them together is frightening to me.
Romney, Huckabe, Fred, each may appeal to one’s personal or domestic policies, or religious affiliations etc – but none stand a shot in hell by a mile against Obama. Incidentally, I am way right of either McCain or Rudy.
I am amazed at how everyone is overlooking the fact that it will come down to a very small % of voters, all independent minded and none of them would EVER vote Fred, Huckabee, or Romney – They will flock to Obama, you need to counter with something that appeals to them, not you. Get oranized or you will lose both houses, and the big chair.. You all realize this right!?
I’m afraid Politics is no longer about choosing your own dream candidate, it’s about winning control of the country in multi year blocks. This talk of spoiler votes is the most ridicolous thing I have ever read.. I think those people deserve the disaster that an Obama presidency will bring. He will get 2 terms too, lovely.
These here are the informed voters! I’d be running for the hills in fear, because sheep make up the rest.
My exit Q is – Is it not abundantly clear that you will only with a herculean effort even have a slim shot at overcoming the bias media onslaught Obama will have by default, hammering 24 hours a day for a full year against your candidate on voters!? Get real people.
Your poll has scared the crap out of me AP – thx man.
saus on January 7, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Do I want someone that only one party in the House will support spending increases for, or both parties will support?
I see the budget being bad, but better with Obama; simply because the Republicans will be playing defense instead of their current “support the President and hike up spending more than ever before” that they’re playing with Bush.
I liked the Republicans in the House and Senate better under Clinton. They at least tried to pretend they’d keep spending down.
If I thought Obama and Huck could both pass their most fervent Liberal dreams, I’d have picked differently; but as it is, Huck is the only one of the two who can unite Republicans and Democrats in a frenzy of big Government spending… so he’s the worst threat.
gekkobear on January 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM
What makes you think I would vote for Barry?
I just made a point of explaining how this is not the former Soviet Union.
There will be other options available come Election Day.
You can even write in the name of your preferred candidate if those possibilities aren’t to your satisfaction.
Even my own city’s antiquated, non-HAVA-compliant voting machines allow for that option.
Gerard on January 7, 2008 at 8:05 PM
+1
Tell us more about Turd Sandwich, Aero!
FloatingRock on January 7, 2008 at 8:06 PM
I’d need a rather large clothespin for my nose, but – - Huckabee. In fact, anyone the GOP runs against any of the democrats.
TeeDee on January 7, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Big A, it would be interesting to see a HA poll of who we think would really win between Huck and Obama (without Bloomberg or some other viable 3rd party candidate running).
I misread the poll and voted for Obama thinking it’s a poll of who we think is going to win between the two.
I seriously don’t think Huck could win in any matchup. He has too much history and he will be eaten alive in the general by the MSM, who would just love to eat him up.
Mcguyver on January 7, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Boy that’s a tough one. I guess I would have to choose on the basis of race.
argos on January 7, 2008 at 8:09 PM
I don’t know.
It’s conceivable that he could defeat Her Shrillness, if for no other reason than the fact that she would be the single most unlikeable candidate ever nominated by a major party in modern American history.
I would hate to see how Frosty would come off in a theoretical debate between the two.
Gerard on January 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Let’s think this through using conservative political philosophy. Both Huckabee and Obama sell politics as redemption, but politics, especially change always disappoints. We are left with the human condition. Thus, people will be disappointed. What I’m saying so far is just basic conservative philosophy.
Ok, not since the winner will disappoint, what about Congress? Well, the congressional elections will go against the president when he disappoints. Thus, we should vote for the candidate that will result in the most Republican Congress. Given the last idea, it’s utterly obvious that the rational conservative course is to vote for Obama and have a Republican Congress.
thuja on January 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Romney’s too plastic?
I would never vote for Huck under any circumstance. I’m still supporting the Ken Doll (Romney).
CABE on January 7, 2008 at 8:14 PM
I’d need several showers afterwards, but Huckabee.
Its Tommy on January 7, 2008 at 8:20 PM
I’ll have the fish please…….
EricPWJohnson on January 7, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Touche man.. lol
saus on January 7, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Republicans lost in 2006 mainly because Independents went democrat, not because Republicans sat home en mass.
I guess if the GOP gives us any old POS, we should just totally flush the country down the toilet by saluting and saying “Yes GOP Master, whatever you say my Lordships”, right?
Can I please have another cup of shamnasty?
MB4 on January 7, 2008 at 8:27 PM
too bad ‘lobotomy’ isn’t an option as that would be the winner by a country mile in my poll.
At least the pain of either one winning would be dulled by the sweet bliss of frontal cortex annihilation.
MannyT-vA on January 7, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I’m paraphrasing an old Dennis Miller joke when it comes to this.
It’s like choosing airline food over hospital food, neither one will kill you but they ain’t good for you either.
Pcoop on January 7, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Yuckabee is to strong conservative values as Chris Benoit is to being “Father of the Year.”
Pcoop on January 7, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Let me try!
Huckabee is to immigration enforcement as Christopher Lowell is to being not gay.
Wow I’m terrible.
CABE on January 7, 2008 at 8:38 PM
How can anyone say that Obama would be better than Huck, or that Huck is worse than ANY dem? Go ahead and vote for Obama you commies. As for those staying home “à l’œuvre on reconnaît l’artisan”
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 8:39 PM
I’d vote for Huck for one reason and one reason only: Supreme Court justices. Huck would appoint pro-lifers, and SCOTUS appointees have a much greater affect on American government than a mere four- or eight-year presidential term(s).
But it’s a moot point. Obama would ROAST Huck in the general.
sachsen on January 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM
I don’t want a POTUS to appoint “pro-lifers.”
I want him to appoint originalists who will not make up Constitutional rights on the fly.
I guarantee you that Harriet Miers will be just the beginning if Huckabee makes into the White House, which I still think is a remote fantasy at this point.
Gerard on January 7, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I call BS on that premise. Rush addressed it this afternoon. Conservatives are pissed of at Bush and his spending and that he is the beginning of the redifining of conservatism. A lot of hard core conservatives, like myself, will not accept anything that redefines us. I am a Fred supporter and he probably has no chance, but we wont accept a nominey that doesnt represent my values. Its that simple. Many are changing parties, going independent whathaveyou.
I have convictions and want a true conservative. Period. You want to vote in a R that is a liberal with some conservative tendencies knock yourselves out.
broker1 on January 7, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Those were different times, dude. This is a COMPLETELY different world (and I’m not just talking about terrorism).
There it is again… you people totally miss the point. Okay, stick it to the shamnesty Republicans and “send a message”… but electing EVEN WORSE shamnesty Democrats!!! WTF? It’s not about a “GOP Master” and I’ll thank you to stop pretending anything I’ve said sounds anything like that. I’m just making the simple “lesser of two evils” argument, that sucks, but it’s reality. If you think a President Hillary or Obama at this time in history is something we’ll recover from then by all means sit yer principled asses on your couches or go vote for Obama because you’ve bought the media glorification of him that just makes him seem like such a nice guy. Sorry, but for me I look at the future (for decades to come) if we elect ANY Democrat now and it looks bad. It looks like high taxes, government/UN run everything, no jobs and high unemployment, etc. etc. You know… Europe.
RightWinged on January 7, 2008 at 8:48 PM
We’ll lose that one. But give me Romney/Rick Perry and we’ll kick Obama and probably VP Richardson’s ass. But it’ll be a damn good brawl. At some point we could hear “Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!”
It would be epic but women and whitey would win :) one for the gipper.
pc on January 7, 2008 at 8:48 PM
There will be very little voter apathy this go round. It’ll be historic.
pc on January 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM
I’ll still write in Fred Thompson
Just A Grunt on January 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Then let them. Its called convictions. People can give Bush crap about a lot of stuff but he has pwn3d the democratic congress. Why? His convictions. Once we elect a RINO because they are “better than a democrat” we will never get back a true conservative.
broker1 on January 7, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Listen to this guy you will.
And you base this analysis on what exactly? And even so how would Harriet Miers have been worse than Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Stephen Breyer? Again I call à l’œuvre on reconnaît l’artisan on you, sir.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 8:57 PM
We’ve barely survived a Bush presidency.
Does anyone here remember this gem?
Comprehensive Surrender
Suckabee is Bush on HGH.
Do we really want that?
Gerard on January 7, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Something tells me all the stay homers (hmmm from now on I shall call you Homers) never lived through Carter.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 7, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Finally, someone with some sense (and I say that entirely based on the fact that you agreed with me). I don’t get these people who think “sending a message” will do anything. Okay, you don’t like shamnesty Republicans… then elect Democrats who are 10 times worse, don’t want to secure the border, and in fact want to make these people citizens and future voters? Is that what passes for logic for some people? Seriously, what is the goal in your “stay home”/vote for Barry plans? What do you hope to achieve?
RightWinged on January 7, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Good.
Henceforth I’ll call you guys “sophists.”
Honestly, I think I’m giving you too much credit.
Gerard on January 7, 2008 at 10:16 PM
So there you have it. With 838 votes counted, 48.2% would vote for Huckabee and 51.8% would vote Obama or stay home. And this is a nominally conservative website.
If more than half of your own party won’t vote for you, you might as well close up shop and save everybody a lot of time and money.
JM Hanes on January 7, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Getting in late here and had to hold my nose for Huck
Clinton Happens on January 7, 2008 at 10:25 PM
I honestly don’t see a difference between any of the candidates — sans Paul or maybe Hunter (And I couldn’t vote for either of those two).
sswoods on January 7, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Rightwinged, what is your plan for stopping or slowing the leftward tilt of the GOP? How do you think we can bring the party back to our core values?
/not sarc. I’m really interested in your opinion on this.
Laura on January 7, 2008 at 11:50 PM
I read an op-ed that speculated on a McCain-Obama matchup. The pundit felt that McCain would get a lot of the senior citizen vote that would blunt the youth vote, particularly if he made some commitment to serve only one term to clean up things.
Bradky on January 8, 2008 at 12:36 AM
I’m not going to pretend I have an answer for that. The only point I’m making is the lesser of 2 evils isn’t the best option, but if that’s what we’ve got, that’s what we’ve got. We can deal with people who aren’t conservative enough for us… or we can deal with extreme leftists who’s stated agendas are antagonizing allies, “talking” to enemies, raising taxes, destroying our economy, open borders and citizenship (and again, voting rights which will greatly affect future elections) to illegals, and giving the UN more power over us.
What happened with shamnesty? We made our voices heard and the sissies in the GOP, who were only doing it for fear of getting stomped in elections (as they do) with the latino vote, caved in to us. It was a victory. Now, is there even a chance for that with the current Democratic Party, especially if they control the White House, House, and Senate? You’re guaranteed that we’re screwed. Where as with these weak as GOP candidates it’s more like 50/50.
The problem is, these people who are going to stay home are shortsighted and think this is just “eh, we’ll send a message and in 4 years we’ll get some real candidates”… They, first of all underestimate the power of the media, and secondly, wrongly assume that we can easily recover from what electing a Democrat will mean. We’re dealing with China/Russia, a terror war, an economy that has been booming but is rapidly slowing down while oil prices remain high and while things are still pretty good, everyone seems to be waiting for something to spook us in to all out chaos (thanks again media, you banged that drum for 4 years and now you can see economic trouble on the horizon and you’re sooooooo happy about it.)
The point is, the corrupt culture in the country, etc. etc. is only going to take us further and further from conservatism and you aren’t going to have enough people around to elect “real” conservatives in a generation unless we can at least slow the march of liberalism/secularism/immoralism/etc. Sticking it to the GOP is not going to do ANYTHING, which is why none of the proponents of this idea have explained the end result.
RightWinged on January 8, 2008 at 12:40 AM
That might help him get elected, but it would inhibit him from getting much done. Instant lame duck. T. Roosevelt said he wouldn’t run again the night of his election to the 2nd term and his afore bombastic presidency immediately skidded to a halt.
Spirit of 1776 on January 8, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Reread some of the comments above.
The reason the GOP lost Congress is not because conservatives “stayed home.”
Republican losses were the result of every other demographic abandoning the Republican Party in droves.
Gerard on January 8, 2008 at 1:24 AM
Wait! I thought you wanted us to vote FOR Huckabee!
Okay, seriously… I disagree. And my goal is not to “stick it” to the GOP, it is to try to turn things around. I think we are under less control from the media than ever before, and that situation is improving every day. As for the economy, you get a Dem in office and presto! chango! The economy is great and it’s all sweetness and light, baby.
At the end of the day, how different is Huck from the Democrats? He’s in favor of all those things you listed. He’s said so, to one degree or another. And he’ll do them with the cooperation of the GOP members of Congress. NO ONE will be pushing back at that point – not the GOP who supported Huck and are still in there fighting for “our team,” and not the Dems who tacitly support him even though he’s a Godbag, because he’s a liberal just like they are.
We recovered pretty quickly from Carter, and we were dealing with, let’s see, Iran, Russia, the PLO, and a way worse economy that Reagan quickly got up to speed. Not to mention Abscam, problems with Cuba (Mariel boat lift), the Unabomber, the Muslim Brotherhood was trying to assassinate people and there were terror bombings in Italy, England and Ireland… Everything old is new again.
I’m not that worried about the state of the world four years after this election. I’m more worried about what happens if we continue going further and further from conservatism. I think you’re being shortsighted. Although I do disagree with you, I appreciate your thoughtful answer.
Laura on January 8, 2008 at 1:25 AM
And to clarify one point – Yes, I do understand that al Qaeda is not the same as the PLO. But I also remember the Dems right after 9/11. And I also see that even with a Republican in office right now, we’re doing next to nothing to prevent a future attack. We’re not cleaning up the CIA, prosecuting leakers, and we folded on some important programs. Because no matter who is in office, the further you get from an attack, the less people think security matters.
Laura on January 8, 2008 at 1:28 AM
We’ve wrapped up at least a few dozen terrorists plotting here, and Bush pushed the “warrantless wiretapping” (not sure what the latest is on that) for quite a while against a lot of pressure.
Is that why 84% of the public are happy with their lives, while an extreme majority thinks everything is going wrong? Same with the economy… While the economy boomed for the past few years polls consistently showed an extreme majority had a negative view of the economy, while at the same time an extreme majority were happy with their own finances. Sorry, you’re just wrong… the media controls much more than people realize, and that is perfect proof of it. How can everyone’s finances be so good, yet they think the economy sucks? Because the media tells them it does. How can almost everyone be happy with their lives, yet think everything is going wrong? Because the media tells them it is. And by the way, studies have proven that Democrat Presidents get FAAAAAAAR better media coverage of their economies (good or bad) than Republican Presidents do. When they have crappy economies, it doesn’t even get nearly the negative coverage good Republican economies do.
What about the “global warming” generation being brainwashed as we speak? Look at what passes for 12-16 year old entertainment on MTV now – Whores who got famous on Myspace and make out with both guys and girls and make them do weak immitations of Fear Factor… oh, and other gay dating shows… oh, and “Date my mom”, in which slutty moms try to pimp out their even sluttier daughters, etc. etc. Are these future voters going to have an “awakening” and come around? Plus add in all the Mexicans who will be voting Dem. You can say Huck will be as bad because he’s not the biggest border warrior, but I don’t believe he’s got the same openly stated goals as the Dems.
I don’t believe he wants to raise taxes… in fact he’s a “Fair Tax” guy. I highly doubt he paints Europe as a model for how we should be (as the Dems constantly do). And he is also not afraid to tie the issue of terrorism to Islam, like the Dems are. etc. etc. Please, don’t make me try to defend him anymore, because I want nothing to do with him, and I highly doubt he’ll be the nominee. The choice was just him or Obama (or any other Dem for that matter).
As for shortsighted, I believe that’s the way everyone else is here… because they see this principled stand of letting a Dem win as being a road bump when it could clearly be far worse. As for all those things you listed, it was still a different world. Al Qaeda not withstanding we’ve got Iran (nukes/volatile oil prices), we’ve got surging China and India economies (competition/oil prices), Russia (enemy, who’s been practicing war games with both China and India), outrageous taxes that the Dems promise to raise. A healthcare situation. An insecure border that may not get better under Huck, but it is guaranteed to be worse under Dems (”racist fence!”), etc. etc.
There are a lot of people that are worried about an NAU (a genuine concern to keep an eye on), when the real in our face HERE TODAY threat is the NWO/UN creeping towards us with manufactured hysteria from global warming to “disease of the year” (SARS, no wait, west nile… ah crap… I mean “bird flu pandemic!!!”).
RightWinged on January 8, 2008 at 2:40 AM
Obama without even thinking twice. Huckabee can go huck himself.
Seixon on January 8, 2008 at 3:18 AM
I said they have less power than ever before. See Rather, Dan, for just one example. Even legacy media is now using the internet to deliver news, and as more and more people start using that, they are being exposed to alternative news sources. That’s one thing that’s going in our direction, and will continue to, no matter who is President because the technology is taking over.
Global warming is bowing to global cooling even as we speak. Within ten years, that will be the new hysteria – and it’s the fifth global climate scare since 1895. The brakes are being put on the Goreacle already – for example it was reasonably well publicized that 2007 was not, in fact, the warmest year on record. I’m very familiar with the NAU (former Bircher). I have every reason to believe, based on Huck’s past behavior, that he is as much of a threat as any Dem in that regard. Huck raised taxes $500 million in Arkansas, and he’ll do it again.
No, he’s not afraid to tie terror to Islam – thus screwing up a carefully contrived balance that will move Pakistan and Turkey over to the side of our enemies. Ever see a Christmas and Easter Catholic defend his faith? He’s more rabid than the guy who goes to confession every week, even though he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. We’ll have millions of new Rage Boys.
I guess the one thing we can agree on is to hope and pray he’s not the nominee. As much as I detest McCain I could even vote for him. Huck’s the only one I absolutely will not pull the lever for.
Laura on January 8, 2008 at 10:03 AM
I know you said they have less power… but I proved you wrong with my example of personal feelings versus broad views, which are based on information handed down from the MSM.
More proof. If we weren’t under the boot of the MSM we wouldn’t have to worry about “hysteria”, we’d have a well informed public that understood this is completely natural. And I wouldn’t go as far as to say we’re in the midst of global cooling yet, though that group of Russian scientists has been saying it is about to begin for a couple of years. Global warming is crap, but let’s just watch it happen.. and hope that someone has the balls to jail people like Gore and RFK Jr. when the truth is revealed.
BTW, Fox News reported earlier that Huck even wants to deny citizenship to the children of illegals. Again, this is a totally different position than folks like Hillary and Ted Kennedy have when they show up at immigration rallies, speaking Spanish and promising citizenship. Once again, I don’t like Huck, but comparing him to the Dems is really unfair… especially when you add in the simple point of “morals” which the Democrats lack completely. Declining morals, without question, is slowly leading us down a bad road.
RightWinged on January 8, 2008 at 4:13 PM
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