Video: Luntz focus group raves over Romney, rips Fred to shreds
posted at 10:08 pm on January 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Lest this post be enlisted by Hugh Hewitt as evidence of Mittmania the way one of MM’s was earlier today, let me answer the question posed by Luntz at the end by stressing that Obama would kill Romney head to head. As phony and constipated as Mitt often seems, Obama is equally confident and authentic. The contrast between them would be fatally stark. Sad to say, it’s probably Huck who would best blunt Barry O’s advantages; if it’s Hillary, Mitt would have a shot.
I’m surprised to see all the animus for Fred, although I guess after snubbing the state it was to be expected. Note well the pointed criticisms of Huckabee’s religious demagoguery. Interesting, and ominous for Huck, to see how far that’s penetrated among the electorate.
Update: MKH agrees with the group about Mitt and disagrees about Fred.
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What struck me about this was the unanimity. Definitely the crowd affect at work. Either that or the polls are meaningless.
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Oh, good point. I hadn’t accounted for that.
You going to give us your scorecard?
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 10:11 PM
2nd look at Romney?
BJ* on January 6, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Well, it is logical for people to crucify the Jesus candidate.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Would anyone expect anything different from a state that’s turning blue?
Connie on January 6, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Its New England must be the water up there. Its imported from Martha’s Vinyards by the Kennedys
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Fred!’s not dead yet! (I kind of still believe that…)
We’ll see in South Carolina.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Get off the cross, we need the wood.
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 10:16 PM
The NH snub? I disagree. They had the exact proper read on Fred’s performance. It is the reason his has been on a steady fall since he announced.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM
I think sometimes Frank kind of leads the people. He never asks those who disagree why they disagree. I guess he is trying to come up with a narrative, but I would like to see what they would say in a secret ballot.
Complete7 on January 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM
If he has raised the money bnelson says, he should at least have a legit shot are stirring up something in SC.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Michigan first.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Where Mitt’s dad was governor.
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM
He isn’t competing in Michigan though, it just depends on how much momentum each candidate has. If McCain wins this one, but Romney wins Michigan, then we’re in decent shape…
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 10:20 PM
CSDEVEN…I like this new, more civilized personality your’e showing, getting your points across without flame throwing. It won’t change my opinion of Fred, but it definitely changed my opinion of you.
OneEyedJack on January 6, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Put the crack pipe down my friend, he has held extremely steady for the last two months.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 10:20 PM
I agree that Mitt was the debate winner, but I don’t think Fred did as bad as the focus group suggested. btw I think Mitt could very easily beat Obama (and even more so Hillary) in the general.
davenp35 on January 6, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Michelle just put up a post on Luntz’s doo-hickey thingy! I didn’t see a graph on Fred… only the comments from the focus group.
Zorro on January 6, 2008 at 10:21 PM
ROTFLMAO………cs has always been a good person, he was just having more fun than the law allowed at us Fredheads expense…Oh and his theme song…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Dunno about that. If the electorate want style over substance, you could be right, but it’s a long time till November, and at some point Obama’s gonna have to do better than vague pie in the sky. Mitt isn’t my first choice, but anyone with a brain can see he’s a hundred times more competent and experienced than Obama. Lots of variables in the equation, though.
a capella on January 6, 2008 at 10:22 PM
The thought of Obama as prez sends ice-water through my veins.
bbz123 on January 6, 2008 at 10:23 PM
In your mind my friend, in your mind. ;-)
Check the chart for the reps.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:23 PM
There probably is a component of Fred blowing off NH in the response. Earlier on Fox, Fred said that he was not focusing on NH and had no expectations to do well. Came off as “who cares?”. But the specific criticism of him was not what he was saying, but how he said it. He needs to crank up some enthusiasm on his part, rather than siting with his hands folded in front of his face and talking blandly about his ideas. Take some vitamins, and keep yer hands on the table when you talk, Fred!
iurockhead on January 6, 2008 at 10:24 PM
About Fred according to focus group member: “He’s got a good thought process but has trouble communicating.”
More proof that regional prejudices govern our feelings about the candidates. IOW, north easterners think southerners are stupid. Mitt is one of them so I wouldn’t take too much out of this other than they like their own.
Bill C on January 6, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Yep, and Cris Wallace just admitted that he directed most of the focus towards McCain, Mitt, and Huck.
a capella on January 6, 2008 at 10:25 PM
heh heh heh I still got your number…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Besides Fred’s downward spiral since he announced, why would Wallace give Fred lots of time when he disses the media the way he does? They aren’t his 8ithes and it’s careless of Fred to expect them to be. And Jeri’s attitude on Bill O the other day doesn’t help. It just looks like they sit around complaining about the media to each other.
Fred has the message and instead of being confrontational with them, he should use them to his advantage. I think he’s just being stubborn and cantankerous.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Mitt’s weaknesses in the primary will turn into strengths in the general. Middle of the road voters will not be interested in who has been pro-life the longest or who was first to be in favor of sealing the border. They will want someone who is not a conservative idealogue.
The best way to counteract the flowery hope talk of Obama is to give real hope through experience in turning around companies and the Olympics, and in keeping taxes down.
pedestrian on January 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Mitt Romney is competent. That’s what came across in this debate and why those Republicans went for him.
spmat on January 6, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Just like you eh…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Yet another focus group of “sophisticated voters” who claim to be all about the issues, yet they promptly reveal that they really make their decisions based on style, presentation, and looks rather than issues and substance. Sigh. They just dialed their little hearts our for Mitt–went right off the top of the chart–when he was just ticking off bullet points of generic conservative talking points. When asked why they overwhelmingly liked Romney, as usual they said he “looked” good, “sounded” strong, and “seemed” presidential. That’s what good hair and a smooth speaking voice do for ya, I guess.
aero on January 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Absolutely spot on analysis.
OMG!!! Viggo Mortensen supports Krazy Kucinich!!! I wish these guys would just shut up and act. At least he goes for the oddball and not that commie Hillary.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM
As a Fredhead, I have to agree. Especially in the events of the last few days. We’ll see.
NickTx on January 6, 2008 at 10:34 PM
To borrow your line… Dude!
You think Mitt would have no chance against Obambi? For heaven’s sake, it would be the greatest possible differentiation the GOP could put up. One’s an unbelievably accomplished business man who has a long and proven history of being successful in everything he puts his mind to. Obama talks reeeal purty. It would be an election of the adults vs. the adolescents. Good grief. Bring it on.
Most of the country is not nearly in love with BHO as the democrats who are DIEING to be able to nominate anyone but Hillary. In the general, the school boy gets taken to school by Mitt.
Sugar Land on January 6, 2008 at 10:35 PM
I dunno. The rising Cult of Obama is going to be a challenge to beat.
NickTx on January 6, 2008 at 10:36 PM
A rich white man vs a poor black man yeah will really set a big difference that cant be exploited !
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 10:36 PM
You got it wrong too. The first part of the segment they were very specific about why the will now support him and not Fred, Huck, or the others. The style responses were in response to why he would beat Obama. They, like all very smart voters, realize the general election is about style and presentation and since that is all Obama has, Mitt is better AND he will decimate him on experience.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Luntz focus group,looked like a commercial for Mitt Romney!
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Yeah, but I’m not constipated.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Saying “He’s got a good thought process” shows they think he’s stupid?
The problem with Fred is just what you quoted – he can sing every hymn perfectly to people like us in the choir, but it doesn’t play the same to the Average Joe’s in the audience. I like his positions, but he’s not electable in 08.
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Besides Fred’s downward spiral since he announced, why would Wallace give Fred lots of time when he disses the media the way he does? They aren’t his 8ithes and it’s careless of Fred to expect them to be. And Jeri’s attitude on Bill O the other day doesn’t help. It just looks like they sit around complaining about the media to each other.
Fred has the message and instead of being confrontational with them, he should use them to his advantage. I think he’s just being stubborn and cantankerous.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM
See? Analytical without the eye-poking of old CS.
In my mind CS is now taller, smarter, better looking, and with Mitt Romney hair!
P.S. Dorian, that’s my song too after the right amount of drinks or a Packer loss
OneEyedJack on January 6, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Naw. The rich white man against the Messiah. I can hear the “camel through the eye of the needle” analogies already.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I said this when Clinton was first on TV in ‘91-92 andI’ll say it again cuz him and Huckabee are just tooo smooth. I’m afraid Huck is going to take it and it’s going to be a race of the two smoothies. “Huck and Obama”
Wake me up in Jan 09.
Texyank on January 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I hope I spoke much to soon.
Texyank on January 6, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Steele shilling for McCain on Hannity?! OH CRAP! I knew he was too good to be true!
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 10:42 PM
I’ll take that matchup between Obama and Romney. The electorate is very polarized as the last 2 elections have proved. The winner either democrat or republican will be the one that energizes their base more, and gets out the vote better. Just as it was last time. I don;t think you can play matchups, becuase the electorre is pretty set in their ways, I dont think their are as many “swing” voters as the press has us beleive.
paulsur on January 6, 2008 at 10:43 PM
The race in New Hampshire has always been between Huck, Romney, and McCain. New Hampshire was never intended to be a hotbed of Fred! supporters.
So, With Frank Luntz, the telemarketing survey guy, conducts his focus group, comprised of New Hampshire people, what do you think they are going to say about Fred!
Fred! has no interest in campaigning there so they people of New Hampshire feel slighted.
Captain America on January 6, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Obama says change:The Bush administration
:American and African American relations
:And change of the Liberal Democrat Party.
On Drudges site tonight,Denzel Washington,
Spike Lee,BET,are not giving Obama any cash,
it’s amazing he got Oprah’s indorsement!
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Steele ran because Bush adm asked him to. Bush’s guys went to McCain, didn’t they?
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Sorry AP, but if Huck is the nominee, I’ll either sit out or vote Democrat. I’d vote for Mitt, Rudy, Fred, and even McCain over any Dem. While Mitt (or Rudy) may lose those who love the baby Jesus, I suspect that given the choice, many will lose their single issue myopia and vote for a conservative over a liberal. Huck’s populism won’t win a single state.
bains on January 6, 2008 at 10:46 PM
KP just said the Dems would like to face Huck (with caveat of course)
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 10:47 PM
If Fred would die tomorrow, csdeven would say “Don’t believe that – he’s faking it”.
On a serious note, with respect for Bryan, I agree 100% with AP’s analysis.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Heh heh heh yes he would…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Yeah, well, let me get you a warming blanket …
He’s about to blow Hillary out, and then he’s going to blow us out. I worry about his coattails. I hope we can hold on to enough Republican senators to mount a filibuster.
paul006 on January 6, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I’m waiting to see if Iowa was alone in showing that they want some serious change in politics. If it’s a national trend then we’re going to suffer for running a bunch of old white guys spitting out old white guy ideas. They really do need to know that no matter how much they chant that the economy is so freaking great it isn’t making headway with those whose income has been flat for years while watching jobs go away and costs go up. Sure it’s great for those who make their money investing in huge corporations, taking payoffs from fat lobbyists as supposed public servants, or owning companies who pay Chinese 25 cents a day as opposed to Americans at 17 bucks an hour but it ain’t great for the rest of us voters.
That’s exactly why even though their social programs suck and taxes will go up a lot of folks are going to vote for Obama or Edwards in 2008. Just like in 2006, people are tired of the big business Republicans spending money and ignoring the people.
It doesn’t matter that the DEMs are exactly as bad if not worse at the same thing. They, at least, act like they’re for the average guy or gal and anymore perception is absolutely everything.
Remember, it don’t matter what flies here on HA or among those who really follow politics. We’re an incredibly tiny part of those who vote.
Buzzy on January 6, 2008 at 10:51 PM
You’re nuts, AP. You’re just far too pessimistic and cynical to judge a hypothetical matchup in a far off election.
Plus, that’s not what I wanted to hear.
Jaibones on January 6, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I AM AN ALPHA MALE AND I FRIGGIN’ APPROVE THIS MESSAGE!!!!!!!11!!!!1!!!!
Yeeaghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
/channeling Howard Dean
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 10:54 PM
heh heh heh….
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Fredmentum Baby! Fear the Fred! Just like every voter in New Hampshire, apparently!
BKennedy on January 6, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Well night all some of us have to work in the morning…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Why is it everyone is interested in my testosterone? Am I a demi-god? Or is it simply that I am an entertainment item… a pinata, almost!
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 10:58 PM
What would The Messiah do, speak in platitudes about nonspecifics, tout his non-existent experience in anything except dorm room disputes, and promise a shiny new future for America as he plans to invade Pakistan? I’m not seeing it.
BKennedy on January 6, 2008 at 10:59 PM
I see no comeback. You’re not pulling it off.
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Girl, e-mail me. It’s all wrong here.
As an alpha male, I COMMAND YOU TO DO SO!!!!!!!!!!!
As a beta male, I beg you on bended knee.
As a regular, normal guy, I’m just asking. Then we can have a beer.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Damn. I was going to get me a good night’s sleep tonight, until you said that. Too true, the average voter doesn’t know much of what any candidate says, just who they like the look of or where their particular herd is going.
iurockhead on January 6, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Heh, I see a new meter has surfaced. When a certain candidate is supposedly up, a certain commenter is snooty, and the reverse is true too.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Although I think Romney is one of the two best, in terms of style, to go up against Obama (the other being Giuliani), Romney against Obama largely neutralizes one of the GOPs biggest strengths – Obama’s complete cluelessness and lack of experience in national security.
Romney isn’t clueless, but I think Rudy would be better able to (properly) focus the general election on national security, and Obama’s tremendous weakness in that area, to our great advantage.
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Just don’t stick your tongue out – that last picture of Dean on Druge…puke-inducing.
p.s. a while ago, here on HA, we had a thing going to give feedback to his establishment. Since then he sends me e-mails. With each I’m so tempted to write back a certain profanity (yes, I can) – but I’m smart enough to wait until the Nov. election is over.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I agree. I have hoped the last few elections that a viable Republican woman or minority candidate would rise to the top, but none have yet. I just love it when we’re first on that kind of thing. I found it amusing and disgusting how the Dems and African American groups put down highly-placed Republican appointees like Clarence Thomas, Powell and Rice as “Uncle Toms” or “not really black” because they were conservative or appointed by Republicans. It would have been nice to have the first black president come from us. Might still happen, I guess, but it’s looking an awful lot like Obama’s on an unstoppable roll at this point.
Anyway, maybe the old white guy we choose will pick a dynamic young female and/or minority running mate. That would be interesting. JC Watts, perhaps?
It’s seeming like we’ll almost have to have a woman or minority in the VP slot since two rich old white guys would have to walk such a tightrope so as not to come across in any way, at any time, of being racist or sexist. There will be people hanging on every word and gesture, just waiting for it–they will fabricate discrimination if they have to. Having a woman or minority on the ticket might keep that from happening.
aero on January 6, 2008 at 11:07 PM
The “messiah” is a mile wide and an inch deep. The guy needed a newspaper to conduct a hit job on the incumbent (digging up and publicizing details in his divorce records that should have been private) to even get the job he has now. For all purposes, he ran unopposed for his Senate spot. Now, truth be told, I will always consider him my unintentional hero if he takes out the Hilderbeast before the general. But he simply will not “mesmerize” non-haters like he has the easily impressed dims. Romney would pwn him in debates.
Sugar Land on January 6, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Both. Plus, where is your girl tonight? She’s the one who loves this kind of a thread.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 11:09 PM
You’re supposed to tell me!
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 11:12 PM
@ Jaibones on January 6, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Romney would not get a vote from me in the general. I am not voting for an anti-gun republican who wants nationalized healthcare. If I did want those ideas, I would vote democrat. There will be a lot like me who simply wont vote for him, especially when he doesnt get the NRA’s endorsement.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Mitt did that in Massachusetts. He dumped a really solid conservative leading Lt Gov. candidate and picked a seriously hot looking nobody as his running mate. That’s why there is now a Democrat Governer in Mass. At least he’s played the game and knows the numbers. His opponent was also a screeching 4th generation pol whose was claiming to be an outsider, so he knows how to run against Hillary, if she is still around.
pedestrian on January 6, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Entelechy,
You have to e-mail me. For no other reason than I am fascinated with that screen name. I know you have a blog somewhere. You have to.
Yes, my girl will understand.
/alpha male off
She is gonna kick my butt.
/beta male off
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Don’t worry muyoso I’m sure Paul will run as a third party candidate, you can waste your vote there.
lan astaslem on January 6, 2008 at 11:20 PM
@ lan astaslem on January 6, 2008 at 11:20 PM
I would much rather vote for him in the general. Sorry, but i wont comprimise everything that comprises conservative values just because the guy has an (R) next to his name.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Mitt did really, really well tonight, I must admit.
I hope Thompson’s sound policy proposals (which many candidates have adopted) and solid demeanor earn him a place on Mitt’s ticket should Mitt win this thing.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 11:21 PM
You do know Romney approves of a basic form of affirmative action and is iffy on abortion and hates guns, right?
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 11:22 PM
If we had a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-tax conservative with solid executive experience and a presidential demeaner, then we wouldn’t be having this debate.
pedestrian on January 6, 2008 at 11:25 PM
seixon, on the open thread, posted
Obama/Edwards vs. Romney/Thompson
What do you think about that, anyone? It sounds good but I don’t think Thompson will go for VP.
wccawa, I don’t have a blog. It’s a miracle I get as much done as I do working/lots of travel, house, garden, and the helpless addiction of HA.
There are many entelechies out there in the net-world. I only have accounts to HA/MM/Jim Treacher and a couple more folks who comment here. Of late I only comment here. All other are someone else, and not to confuse.
Soon enough we’ll e-mail via RB’s new site, those who care to. TD has you covered, and MadisonC too.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 11:26 PM
I agree with MKH about the debate. A certain Texan with a rambling style didn’t do too badly last time out. This is a four way horse race y’all.
Mojave Mark on January 6, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Obama/Edwards terrifies me, especially with Obama’s newfound dominance in the polls against all challengers. Romney/Thompson sounds good, and I think Thompson may go for VP. In one debate he almost sounded like he was auditioning for it (The YouTube debate, when asked a question by the Dick Cheney cartoon.) Sounds good to me. I just want Fred in a position to inflict common sense policy upon our leadership.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 11:30 PM
joewm315, how would csdeven handle that?
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Agree, I don’t think this is over, by far.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 11:33 PM
VP is a best position from which to lobby the president.
/CS
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Heh, as best he could, I suppose. We all have to cope with disappointment now and again.
Lol
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Fair enough, but I suspect that his position on the 2nd Amendment will earn him the hearty approval of the NRA in a general election against either the Pantsuit or Osama; don’t you think?
As for his position (”nationalized healthcare”) on health care, I don’t know much. The site ontheissues.org addresses the Massachusetts healthcare bill and compares it to other proposed legislation, especially Hillarycare and Obama’s plan, and says it is similar. They also confirm that Romney has never proposed a nationwide plan, but has suggested that the model used in Mass should be effective for any state to work off of.
At least that’s what I think they said.
muyoso, I think your biggest beef with Romney might be that the Ron Paul foreign policy that you seek would be much more in line with Hillary or Obama.
Jaibones on January 6, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Right.
Jaibones on January 6, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Everyone like the Paul signs going past the window in the back?
amerpundit on January 6, 2008 at 11:59 PM
My Man Mitt just skyrocketed into first place. Sorry Rudy. You’re still #2 though.
And the funniest part of the whole night was the Paulnuts walking by the window behind Luntz with their “Fox is unfair” signs bobbing up and down.
Hilarious. My 13 year old son fell off the couch he was laughing so hard.
Goodnight.
Buy Danish on January 7, 2008 at 12:02 AM
@ Jaibones on January 6, 2008 at 11:55 PM
My BIGGEST beef with Romney is the 2nd Amendment Issue. Looking at my gun cabinet as I type this, he wants to ban about 2/3’s of what I own, because they are “weapons of unusual lethality”. I don’t purport to know the NRA as well as I should, but I cannot see how they could endorse someone who is for the assault weapons ban. I have a feeling they would simply not endorse anyone.
muyoso on January 7, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Just where are Hillary’s brothers, Hugh and Anthony “Big Tony”?
DfDeportation on January 7, 2008 at 12:05 AM
That could be. I am not in favor of the assault weapons ban; it was stupid and pointless and achieved nothing.
Jaibones on January 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM
The Ron Paul Blame_America_First loons are pissing all over themselves here. Now THAT’S entertainment! :oD
DannoJyd on January 7, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Obama – lefties
Bloomberg – independent ticket
Romney – semi-righties
Discuss
Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 12:17 AM
@ DannoJyd on January 7, 2008 at 12:16 AM
I stopped reading about halfway down, but I didnt see anyone blaming America for anything in there. Just people who were pissed that their candidate was excluded from a debate by a corporation, when several candidates in the debate have done worse and are projected to do worse in the very primary the debate was being held for. Seems fair to me.
muyoso on January 7, 2008 at 12:20 AM
@ Entelechy on January 7, 2008 at 12:17 AM
More like –
Obama – Lefties
Hillary – Moderates
Bloomburg – nannies
Paul – Constitutionalists
Romney – semi right kinda
I think there is going to be a LOT of people running for president this year. Hillary isnt going to accept defeat, Paul will probably run because he will have millions and millions left from the republican run, Bloomburg will think he can buy the presidency.
muyoso on January 7, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Romney is the perfect example of a RINO. Why in the he11 is he even being considered as the Republican nominee. Why in the he11 would he even be registering in the polls? Are the Republicans really that pathetic? Yes, of course. Are the Republicans really that confused? Yes, of course. Are the Republicans really that spineless? Yes, of course. Are the Republicans really that afraid of the Socialist-Democrat Party? Yes, of course. So far, this year you’ll be able to count on one hand the number of Americans earning less than $100,000 a year who’ll be voting Republican on any platform other than abortion. Sad deal.
Griz on January 7, 2008 at 12:26 AM
On second thought RINO Romney is exactly what this country needs.
Griz on January 7, 2008 at 12:29 AM
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