Open thread: You know what we need? Another debate
posted at 7:10 pm on January 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on Fox News. The Paulnut has been put out to pasture for this one, depriving America of yet another opportunity for the other candidates to score hawkish points at his expense. Romney vs. McCain should be the main event; Mitt will be tempted to toss a few hastily written one-liners his way just to prove that he can scrap when he has to, but he should reconsider. McCain’s stand-up performance last night seems to have bombed and may bode ill for Tuesday given his surprisingly dwindling lead.
Last night’s debate thread is the biggest we’ve ever had on HA (even bigger than the defeat of the amnesty bill last summer, if you can believe it) so continue to sound off below — but try not to break the site. While you wait, enjoy this helpful NYT scorecard comparing the world’s richest nanny to the various candidates on both sides. Verdict: “If you want to place him in the spectrum of American politics, he’s a liberal Democrat on all the major litmus test issues, and he’s a liberal Democrat on taxing and spending. I don’t see the product differentiation, except for the $4 billion bank account and the aura of the philosopher-king.”
Watch this, too. The Green Mountain Politics concludes, on the basis of what evidence I surely don’t know, that the malfeasors are Romney staffers. Given the fact that there are two cameramen taping them while they perform, isn’t the much sounder assumption that it’s a false flag operation? Click the image to watch.
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No…she is her own woman, with her own mind to make up as she sees fit, now put that damn burka away… ;P
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:22 PM
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Womanizer :)
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:22 PM
School yard
bullyRosieabinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 9:22 PM
It’s all about Mitt tonight. He’s using the excess time well, though. Hard to believe he’s not even the frontrunner in New Hampshire, all the time he’s getting.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Reach out….put your hands on the screen and be HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAALED BROTHER!!
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Fred has answered the questions pretty good in my mind.
Immigration:After 911,my sentiments,and i’m serious,
all your borders should of been shut down,because if
eveybody remembers all Americans were concerned,just
who the h!ll was in your country,especially when a
lot of visitors over stayed their visa’s,that was
a big issue days and weeks after 911.
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 9:22 PM
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:22 PM
…and she never, ever does/will wear a burka, unless for Halloween.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:23 PM
It’s funny to watch Fred pretend that executive experience doesn’t matter also.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Mittbot bounce?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 9:23 PM
New poll today says he might be. I think he will be after these two debates.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Mitt explains his change of position (tacked right) convincingly. I’m not inclined to hold his “flipflops” against him.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:23 PM
The OPEN BORDERS ZEALOTS have learned their lesson from last night???? NOT!!!
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I still like Bernie Kerick. Poor dude.
SouthernPride on January 6, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Mitt: I don’ have time to tell the truth.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 6, 2008 at 9:24 PM
McCain’s 25 years experience in the Senate. Is that something he should brag about? Look at the mess he helped create. He should do a ‘General MacArthur’ and just fade away.
mustang1 on January 6, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Hard to believe with all the time he is getting Fred is stomping him into the curb….
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I am SO hurt!
By the way, I’m now running this little Fox “responso-meter.” Everytime Rudy comes on, it tanks.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I many polls he is in a statistical tie with McCain. AND Mitt just came off a win in Wyoming and has more delegates than any candidate on the stage.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Rudy’s made mistakes, but so have you.
NellE on January 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Wait, one term?
Vizzini on January 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Giuliani hasn’t learned from his mistakes….obviously.
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM
It’s a very polite and civilized debate. I’m pretty proud of all of them.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Accepted who TD belongs to, eh? ;)
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Yeah, I have to say, however begrudingly, he’s winning this thing just like the last one. Put an asteriks on it though, because my guy Fred has had very little time.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I almost expected Huck to make a your mom joke…
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Billy Clinton signed away the mandatory retirement age – the age question is a stupid one.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I
Me too, I wish Rudy would stand by him a little better. I guess he can’t do that though
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Rudy on Kerik: The buck stops with me.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Bad idea to commit to one term. Ask Teddy Roosevelt.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
McCain is quacking right now. The Huckster and McCain….a lovefest?
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
If you believe that then you are in good company as both Tom Tancredo and Sheriff Joe have endorsed him.
MB4 on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
McCain looks pretty good for 72.
Oh, and Wallace is a tool.
fourstringfuror on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Oh crud Huck. Get your lips off McCain’s butt.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
And if she did, it would be the sexist burka ever worn… ;) W00t w00t let me see those ankles baby… ;P
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Given that he’s been married 3 times, he’s apparently a slow learner.
/cheapshot
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Huckatool/McLame 08
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Makes the Dems “hope” and “change” seem pretty darned vacuous, doesn’t it?
Connie on January 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Gulliani: Because in NY I was a Dem, just a Rep. in name. After all, what other Rep. would wear a dress?
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM
RUDY = b/c I single handedly turned that 9/11 frown, udside-down!!! (YEEEAAAAHHHH
LordMaximus on January 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Weak Fred. Real weak. Tennessee?
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Okat the people meter is registering high numbers right now for rudy during his final speech.
looks like he’s peaking at 70 with conservatives, and 80with moderates
i look forward to see who peaks the highest.
oh no fred is tanking in the 50’s.
Vincenzo on January 6, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Mike Huckbabee simply makes me feel greasy. He’s like a bully that cries when you stand up to him.
SouthernGent on January 6, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Here comes Jeeeeeessssuusssss!!!!
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:29 PM
On immigration none were strong – lots of blathering, sadly, to cover all bases.
The closing question is a great one.
Note how Edwards wasn’t even listed as a potential for Nov.?
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Do they keep skipping over Fred or is that just my perception?
TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM
America needs Romney and Thompson to finish #1 and #2 from here on out. Get rid of these clowns at the table.
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Wallace did a good job
huck hicc-upped
Fred won the debate
allrsn on January 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Huckabee is tanking with conservatives in his final statement, worse so than Fred! So far Giuliani had the high score.
Vincenzo on January 6, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Is it my connection or has this site slowed way down?
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Thompson is much like my dad. He doesn’t speak much, but when he does, he makes it count. Quantity over quality wins my vote any day.
fourstringfuror on January 6, 2008 at 9:31 PM
DTV just got a “poor quality signal” blackout (when the Huckster was speaking). See, there is a God.
mustang1 on January 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Anyone notice that Mitt’s started wearing lip gloss?
Connie on January 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
site is overloaded
allrsn on January 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
You gotta remember, at some point Fred had to address his electability. I am with him in the belief that he doesnt have the support because people dont think he is electable.
He had to address it.
broker1 on January 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I’m hangdog slow too.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I may be a Fredhead…But at heart and most importantly I have America’s best interests at heart. I cannot deny when someone says something that is correct. As far as I can tell the one thing that Mitt does seem to get is the illegal immigration issue, and God bless him for that…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Another clear debate win by Mitt!
davenp35 on January 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I’m telling ya. Mitt has more accomplishments than anyone up there. I liked his comments best, but they all sounded very good.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
csdeven, how sad you will be for your 100% abstract intolerance.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
That freekin’ Mitt is parroting Fred now. Jesus H. Christ! or should I say Joseph H. Smith!
TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Debate threads slow this HA engine done:)
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Mine too
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Oh crud Huck. Get your lips off McCain’s butt.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Both cheeks? A lovefest I tell ya…
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Mr. Wallace s/b emulated for all debates, going forward.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
focus group time!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
No he’s not- it’s robot lubricating oil.
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Yeah. Me too.
Connie on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
The irony of McCain talking about restoring trust in government is staggering.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Mitt Romney is breaking 80’s right now with his final response.
Romney just blew everyone out of the water on this chart.
McCain is just holding at 53.
It went like this:
Romney
Giuliani
McCain
Huckabee
Fred!
Wow that’s crazy.
Vincenzo on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Tolerance is the crutch of the weak.
TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
winners Mitt And Fred
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
what does fred get 30 sec to everbody elses 3 mins. i think they would have left him out if they thought he did not have a chance in south carolina.
someone posted that the fair tax rapes the middle class, how so? i thing the fair tax is great and the grass roots is mainly middle class. just wandering why you would say that. forget who it was and don’t feel like scrolling through a millon post to find it, lol.
Rudy 08!!!!
kara26 on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Wow..Luntz’ group says Mitt won.
The Ron Paul signs outside are hilarious.
SouthernGent on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
The meter dropped 30 points when Romney stopped talking and McCain started
NellE on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Yeah guys, the server has slowed down, but to HA’s credit, it hung in there the whole debate.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Thats just chapstick…He needed it after all the Fred ass kissing he did tonight…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Mitt strong pro life…..give me a break!!!!
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Focus group loves Mitt! Hates Huck!
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Mitt rocked this weekend. I blew the Iowa top two call, but I really be surprised if he doesn’t close that gap with Johnny Mac.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Someone pour gas on the ronulans outside the retaurant.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM
sigh.
Fred!?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM
HOW can they think FRED is weak? These people are on crack
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Romney is mopping up…on Fox with Frank Luntz
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
HELL YES!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Look at all the paulnuts outside the window.
in the words of csdeven,
bwaaaaahahahahahaha
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Those dumb Bastarrds
TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
This lady is dumb. Straight up dumb. Shallow idiots on Fred.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
FRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sunny on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Holy shit…they are crucifying Huckabee!
SouthernGent on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Fred’s the weakest. Oh crap.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Wow they are killing Fred and Huck. It’s over i fear for Fred. I liked him.
Vincenzo on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Vicki you missed S.Sec!
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
I’m not voting for a pastor…I’m voting for a president. Ouch!!
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM
NH conservatives = RINOs that are left of McCain
LordMaximus on January 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Focus group thinks Fred was weak.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Fred craters with the focus group, wow!
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Holy shit…they are crucifying Huckabee! YES!
SouthernGent on January 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM
MITTPOCALYPSE!!
Vizzini on January 6, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Okay,is it me, Fox analyist,or is this a commercial for
Mitt Romney!
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 9:38 PM
To counter my previous vitriol, overall these voters seemed well-informed. I am glad they are there to counter the Huckabee boom. Good on them.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 9:38 PM
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