Open thread: You know what we need? Another debate
posted at 7:10 pm on January 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on Fox News. The Paulnut has been put out to pasture for this one, depriving America of yet another opportunity for the other candidates to score hawkish points at his expense. Romney vs. McCain should be the main event; Mitt will be tempted to toss a few hastily written one-liners his way just to prove that he can scrap when he has to, but he should reconsider. McCain’s stand-up performance last night seems to have bombed and may bode ill for Tuesday given his surprisingly dwindling lead.
Last night’s debate thread is the biggest we’ve ever had on HA (even bigger than the defeat of the amnesty bill last summer, if you can believe it) so continue to sound off below — but try not to break the site. While you wait, enjoy this helpful NYT scorecard comparing the world’s richest nanny to the various candidates on both sides. Verdict: “If you want to place him in the spectrum of American politics, he’s a liberal Democrat on all the major litmus test issues, and he’s a liberal Democrat on taxing and spending. I don’t see the product differentiation, except for the $4 billion bank account and the aura of the philosopher-king.”
Watch this, too. The Green Mountain Politics concludes, on the basis of what evidence I surely don’t know, that the malfeasors are Romney staffers. Given the fact that there are two cameramen taping them while they perform, isn’t the much sounder assumption that it’s a false flag operation? Click the image to watch.
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Giuliani does the decent and reasonable thing to do about Illegal Aliens. Let them go to school, get medical care, take American jobs, and feel welcome. There ya have it!!!
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Why is it humane to ask people to risk thier lives trying to cross our borders and inhumane to ask them to stay home ?
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Exactly right, If the government had done everything it was supposed to do after Regan signed that plan, we wouldn’t have a problem now!
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Huck, for a minister apparently hasn’t read the bible, God visits the sins unto the third and forth generation. If they are here illegally they are criminals. Toss them out on their asses…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
with the fence you mean the fence that just got killed in congress and the senate ???
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Is it just me or is Mitt copying Freds talking points?
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Seuring the border is just one step. None, so far, have addressed the illegal hiring, the laws on the books now.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Only at the border AND by enforcement Rudy.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
FENCE FIRST, what is so hard to understand about that?
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Rudy: Give illegals a new ID, and they get to stay! Because being illegal is unfair.
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Mexico has a top 15 world economy. Their wealth is concentrated in the top 5% of people. The rich of Mexico could fix a lot of problems, but it’s easier to encourage illegal immigration and export their problems to us. By our “compassion” we give those scumbags a free pass to continue to exploit what should be a first world country.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Fred keeps being left to hit clean up.
Mallard T. Drake on January 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Just you dude.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Wallace tried to skip over Fred on the issue
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
I would be soooo drunk by now if I drank every time these guys brought up Reagan. Move on!
Aggie85 on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
All’s we need to hear now from McCain is that Illegal Aliens are “God’s Children”.
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
That was me agreeing with you, by the way.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Fred’s realizing he has to beat Huck in NH….
Vizzini on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Yep. Rudy is nuancing his lame stance on illegals with “compassion” and “humanity.” Just the way we deal with all criminals.
Horrible difficult life. You’re breaking my heart here ya old softie.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
gettem FRED
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
borders, we don’t need no stinking borders
AMartinez on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
But but but..Huck
didwould do away with death….doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
And we will help them, as we have been for decades.
allrsn on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Fred, sounding like a grownup again. And again.
NellE on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Fred needs a speaking coach, stat. Stop saying “uh” all the time, dammit.
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
That’s a high floater over the plate for Fred.
Please, God. Hit the damn ball, Fred.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Fred slams Mexican president. Ouch-o!
Mallard T. Drake on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Fred takes my point !
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Fred slamming Mexico’s government…YES!
SouthernGent on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
go fred go
they have to dealwith their own country
allrsn on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Is it just me or is Mitt copying Freds talking points?
Just you dude.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Romney/Thompson vs. OPEN BORDERS ZEALOTS
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Thank you, Senator Thompson! Mexico must change and it won’t if they are sending their citizens here.
Connie on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Thompson, as usual, is on the money.
fourstringfuror on January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM
S/b “securing the borther”.
How many here, except csd, would like to have a drink with Fred?
None of the addressed the “illegal immigration” – much fluff from all.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Well thank GOD some one else gets that!!!!!!
Mexico needs an internal fix not our welfare!!!!!
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Another missed opportunity Fred!
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Yea, but Fred is the Barry Bond of politics…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Boom! Yes, Fred, yes! Mexico needs to handle their own problems. Push that point hard. Americans don’t want to be blamed for everyone else’s problems.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Because he is the only one that makes any sense!
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Wallace is just doing what his Fox News masters told him to do.
TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
somebody needs to tell McLame even God has a fence
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Just kidding as American as everyone else here, even more so got BIA papers and all lol
AMartinez on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Foul ball high into the left field stands.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Fred: best answer on immigration there.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Fred: You clowns all had policies to encourage illegal immigration. Here’s how it’s going to go down:
Er. Didn’t quite catch that, Fred. You’re going to persuade the President of Mexico that his interests are the same as ours?
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Mitt didn’t come to the immigration issue late did he? He did what he could as the governor I thought.
Ya know, Fred makes good points but they just kinda hang there. It’s like he doesn’t have a way to tie them into an actionable policy.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:13 PM
It’s not just you. I’ve noticed a lot of Fred’s talking points being used and not just by Romney. They probably figured if no one was listening to Fred, they’d use his ideas and no one would know the difference.
Connie on January 6, 2008 at 9:13 PM
:):):) Laughing at self – securing the border :):):)
wccawa and dorian, send drinks over – making too many mistakes without…
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 9:13 PM
help
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:14 PM
I’d even buy!
Aggie85 on January 6, 2008 at 9:14 PM
This is the ideal forum for Thompson. So far he’s really doing well.
fourstringfuror on January 6, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Fred was batting down the idea that its more humane to ask people to come here than stay home
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 9:14 PM
You guys talking about when Wallace said “Senator Thompson” and then he said, can I answer that first? (before he went to the next question…) Color me outraged.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Fred’s realizing he has to beat Huck in NH….
Vizzini on January 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Why isn’t Fred beating The Huckster in NH?? Is there a legitimate reason why he isn’t?
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
All the other candidates are gonna be broke after Fred shows them the Pimp hand and takes all their whorin’ money.
TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I noticed that too. I was poised to type up his plan :(
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I’ll send you one right away…if i dont drink it first…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I love this playing the hit ads right in front of all of them. Sweeeeeet.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
And He decides the borders and enforcement.
CrimsonFisted on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Why is it an “attack ad” if you use the person’s words and record??!?!!?!?!?!? GAH!
SouthernGent on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Mitt the advertising exec. “Sen. McCain, is Mitt a liar?”
NellE on January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM
McCain is sooooooooo positive. My how 24 hours can change a person? Yeah right…
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Last month, Fred was the only guy talking about the corporate tax. After the Charlie Rose interview, everyone else is now all over it.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I mean he had the best answer. Is that what you mean or did you miss it and want me recap it?
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I think this snapshot I took of the debate online on foxnews.com sums up cable news in America. Pay attention to the headlines on the right:
http://www.filebunker.net/a/albums/userpics/foxnews.jpg
Vincenzo on January 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM
The New deal
The great society
Labor unions
TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Fred whiffed it. It was a change up.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM
MB4 on January 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I’d not only have drinks with him, I’d be happy to crack open a box of cigars with him.
fourstringfuror on January 6, 2008 at 9:17 PM
McCain, Ducked that question
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 9:17 PM
I did miss it. Recap later maybe please, the debate goes on!
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Fred will only hurt himself by buddying up with McCain. The Huckster runs a positive campaign….even against “the creepy Mormon guy”…
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:17 PM
because he didn’t go to NH and kiss their butts face to face
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 9:17 PM
The Huckster. Another man from Hope. enough said.
mustang1 on January 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
I heard that at the 45 minute mark Fred will stand up, rip off both of Huck’s arms, and calmly sit back down.
Or did I just dream that part?
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
It’s not an attack ad, YOU AREN’T REPUBLICANS!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Huckabee “Vote for me Im all over the map !”
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Mitt just smiles at Huck.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
It’s fitting for someone doing an impersonation of a real conservative rather than actually having a history of being one.
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Hands off my girl. She’s incredible.
Shame on you. Tsk.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
He addressed both sides. ie what’s going on south of the border with their politics vis a vis illegal immigration.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Oh and be careful of wccawa wine, he bled in it… ;P
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Shut up guys. Really.
Vizzini on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Wow…Johnny boy wants a recount for Iowa just to beat Thompson. Somebody call Al Gore. In fact…
MCCAIN/GORE ‘08! THEY NEVER GIVE UP!
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
John Wayne….AWESOME
LordMaximus on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
chuck Norris fears the DUKE
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
haha….John Wayne v. Chuck Norris. Good one Fred-o
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
hey check out the people meter live on foxnews.com while the debate goes:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?liveSiteStream_::_1&Live_Site_Stream&Live%2520Stream&acc&Live%2520Stream&-1&News&180&&&new
Vincenzo on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Ahhhh! The Jesus candidate throws in a hymn for good measure.
Was it good for you too?
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM
McCain is demanding a recount with Fred…I almost chocked…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Huck and Fred going to sing a duet?
NellE on January 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
LOL Fred- “If John Wayne were there I’d have him beat him (Chuck Norris) up”
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Yes! Fred pwns Chuck Norris!
fourstringfuror on January 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
@TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
We can always dream…..
Aggie85 on January 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Wheres my friend Baldilocks?
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Damn near, bud. But he had to channel John Wayne.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
A 35 year old Illegal Alien can get a job, with a pardon, from Pres. Huckster too…
DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Huck traffics in half-truths. He should know.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Huck…why do you keep making points with this soft, soothing tone…you sound like a girl…stop it!!
Talk like you mean it at least
LordMaximus on January 6, 2008 at 9:21 PM
You know what an advanced computer with AI does when it becomes self aware? It looks around itself and says: that’s a toaster, it toasts things, I’m a conservative, what do I do?
Thus, the Mittbot 2000 saw the conservative, Fred Thompson, and imitated him.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 9:21 PM
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