Open thread: You know what we need? Another debate
posted at 7:10 pm on January 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
8 p.m. ET on Fox News. The Paulnut has been put out to pasture for this one, depriving America of yet another opportunity for the other candidates to score hawkish points at his expense. Romney vs. McCain should be the main event; Mitt will be tempted to toss a few hastily written one-liners his way just to prove that he can scrap when he has to, but he should reconsider. McCain’s stand-up performance last night seems to have bombed and may bode ill for Tuesday given his surprisingly dwindling lead.
Last night’s debate thread is the biggest we’ve ever had on HA (even bigger than the defeat of the amnesty bill last summer, if you can believe it) so continue to sound off below — but try not to break the site. While you wait, enjoy this helpful NYT scorecard comparing the world’s richest nanny to the various candidates on both sides. Verdict: “If you want to place him in the spectrum of American politics, he’s a liberal Democrat on all the major litmus test issues, and he’s a liberal Democrat on taxing and spending. I don’t see the product differentiation, except for the $4 billion bank account and the aura of the philosopher-king.”
Watch this, too. The Green Mountain Politics concludes, on the basis of what evidence I surely don’t know, that the malfeasors are Romney staffers. Given the fact that there are two cameramen taping them while they perform, isn’t the much sounder assumption that it’s a false flag operation? Click the image to watch.











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Puke – the latest word of the moment is “change” – it’s going to be a looooooong year – and then things will still be the same.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
I can NOT believe they sat Mitt next to McCain. Did they check them to make sure they cut their nails short first?
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Eh, I don’t buy it. He answered the question. Last night he talked about his AAG time. I’ve learned somethings about him last 2 days.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Gore invented the internet, McLame invented the surge and all successful military plans…
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Mitt is trying to pick up on the Democrat’s Agent of Change theme
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Mitt the nanny
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Oh my god…I think Mitt just did six changes in one breath.
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
No it wasn’t, Fred responded with, well that didn’t work out so well did it…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
had to reboot
what I miss?
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
anybody drinking on change should be passed out by now
RJS2 on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
I gotta tell you guys. This is Mitt’s kind of forum. He’s used to hashing ideas in these frank sit downs. He’s looking good. Confident and knowledgeable.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
I like Rudy. He was a good mayor, and he has management skills.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
I honestly can figure out what some of guys see in Fred. I just don’t get it.
terryannonline on January 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Lose our jobs to China????
Yeah the slave labor jobs!!!
sunny on January 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Change.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Geez Mitt – he did it again. He slams McCain, then won’t stand by what he said when McCain is there.
Just like last night – I can run negative ads, but don’t you dare characterize my position.
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
At the beginning of the debates, he was my very least favorite. Not true anymore. He keeps impressing me.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Okay well I just don’t like him… He has been better though, but he kind of seems fighting to be relevant because he hasn’t said much today.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I wonder if McCain was involved in the decision to wear a comb over?
RW_theoriginal on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
McCain pulls out the warrior card
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Drink!
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Changes
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Thought so. *drink*
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I had to drive home. Is Romney for “change”? He wasn’t real clear on that.
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Oh my God! John McCain knows where bin Laden is!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Hey I just changed my socks doses that make me an agent of change can I be president too
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Who?
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Mitt clearly LOOKS like a president to me. I say that after every debate because it’s true!
SouthernGent on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I like Mitt and Rudy.
Not in the primaries…..
Go Fred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sunny on January 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM
mccain gets a gold start for ripping on the ex-american hippie AQ jerk.
meandchi on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
He earn the right to do that
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
“Every election since the history of elections has brought change”
GO FRED!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
And hes turning blue because he refuses to take a breath.
broker1 on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Ouch Fred. Nothing has changed in Washington over the years and everyone knows it.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Fred smacks down the hollow “change” argument.
Zach on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Dayum, gonna be hungover at work …too much CHANGE!
lsutiger on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Change … … Change …
They bought the change koolaid from the dhimmi debate last night.
No ‘change’ – how about ‘fix’ or ‘correct’. Not all is so damn broken that we need to ‘change’.
Timothy S. Carlson on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Boom! Fred smacks down the entire Change meme in one statement.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
McCain knows how to get Osama bin Laden!
Well, that changes everything!
Fred, nice knowin’ ya! I’m voting McCain!
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Way to go Fred! To he11 with the lib’s “change” canard. “What we need is leadership!”
IrishEi on January 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Rudy.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM
No doubt about it, this is Mitt’s play ground. Just like sitting in a boardroom discussing what the corporation is going to do.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Correct change required.
christophercube on January 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Does anyone have any CHANGE?
LordMaximus on January 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Fred’s best suit so far.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM
MCVain forgets he said if they want the GD fence built ill build it eehhhhhhhh
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:37 PM
CHANGE.
I am so friggin’ drunk now. Just from Rudy.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Mcvain doesn’t care what Americans want
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:37 PM
SECOND LOOK AT MITT’S HAIR!
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Indeed he has, and kudos to him for reminding people…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Rudy: “Change is a slogan.”
THANK YOU!
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Mitt and Fred look good tonight. Rudy, so-so. The rest? Blathering idiots.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:37 PM
I’m about to change to hard liquor
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
So Ron Paul has a blimp, but Fred has a big battleship?
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Yep, I think Mitt is doing pretty well so far.
I score round one to Mitt
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
I wonder how much change he laid out for it?
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
The worth of each candidate is inversely proportional to how many times they say the word “change” in their answer.
Mitt: 8
Rudy: 9
Fred: 2
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Personally I think the hair is the CPU for the Mittbot 2000
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Damn it, my feed seems to be several minutes behind everyone else’s…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Hey, did Mitt change his hair color?
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
That nothing has “changed” at all – but there was much blathering about “change” because this side is a parrot of the other…
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Fred Does look good tonight well spoken
should just be him and Mitt And Rudy up there
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
➑ McAmnesty
Sanctuary Rudy Romney
$1 Mexican Consulate Huckster.
None of the above will get my vote in the general election- Defeat them now!
Valiant on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
If every person in the country mailed the “change” candidates a wooden nickel…
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Well, I’m off to read bedtime stories.
To the kids, lest any of you weisenhiemers get snarky on me.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
If this ends up as Huck v McCain, I don’t think I’ll even care who becomes president.
Zach on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
yes but instantly has it revoked for his shamnesty plan , and hey why are you so cruel McLame isnt he one of gods children too .
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Fred, Mitt, Giuliani
Round 1
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Who has the biggest smile with the whitest pearlies tonight, I cant see, i dont have Fox.
paulsur on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
It looks like McCain changed his attitude.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM
*shivers with delight*
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
No. He simply changed the hair.
Don’t ask how it’s done. It simply is.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Wait Ron Paul is there ? Opps sorry its a commerical for ED
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Wallace let Mitt froth at the mouth more than anyone else.
Valiant on January 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Fred is totally owning this debate, the only person coming close to him is Mitt…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Don’t listen to him. Thanks to McCain, Osama could be hiding in San Diego for all we know.
FloatingRock on January 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
live stream available at foxnews.com, I have it open in a second window.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Fred refused to play the change game. Had a nice, snarky smackdown of the buzzword of the year.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
What would have been priceless, is when it came to Fred!’s turn, if he had reached in his pocket, pulled out some coin, laid it on the table and then said, “there’s my change”…how ’bout the rest of you?
RJS2 on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Did they put Mitt between McCain and Huckster on purpose? Huckabee looks more dopey than usual tonight.
SouthernGent on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
It’s done with powertools and industrial strength adhesive.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
You owe me a new keyboard icehole…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Oh. *hangs head* OK.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
What if Ron Paul was black?
The Race Card on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
9 out of 10 Physicians say that is a normal response.
The 1 dissenting physician had a 50% interest in a lettuce plantation.
9 out of 10 Physicians say that is a normal response.
The 1 dissenting physician was recently paid a late night visit by Chuck Norris and switched his vote.
MB4 on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Looks like he touched some of the grey out of the sides.
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
wccawa may need one too!
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
WOW thank you Mitt!
he put this senator vs. Govenor thing in plain english i liked it!
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Oh wait, that’s Alan Keyes.
The Race Card on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
hahaha. Tickledragon should take a second look at you!
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
For the love of Christ take a breath Mitt! youre sucking the air out of the room.
broker1 on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Great. more Mitt.
Thanks Chris Hewitt.
Valiant on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
So far I think Freds doing a hell-evu good job
his statements “Truths”and “Do the Right Thing”.
Good lord,I’m handi-capped,click on Hot Air,wait,
then click back to the fox link,and again thank you
MadisonConservative for the link.
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Mitt just dug his own grave. Watch.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Mitts coming up with more slogans than anything else.
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Mitt just made a good arguement for electing Rudy
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM
more than
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM
is that 47 million with out health care counting the 12-20 million illegals ????
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Ha, oh McCain. “Governors aren’t always great. And speaking of governors, Governor Reagan….”
Vizzini on January 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Mitt talks too much.
Connie on January 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM
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