Open thread: You know what we need? Another debate
posted at 7:10 pm on January 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
8 p.m. ET on Fox News. The Paulnut has been put out to pasture for this one, depriving America of yet another opportunity for the other candidates to score hawkish points at his expense. Romney vs. McCain should be the main event; Mitt will be tempted to toss a few hastily written one-liners his way just to prove that he can scrap when he has to, but he should reconsider. McCain’s stand-up performance last night seems to have bombed and may bode ill for Tuesday given his surprisingly dwindling lead.
Last night’s debate thread is the biggest we’ve ever had on HA (even bigger than the defeat of the amnesty bill last summer, if you can believe it) so continue to sound off below — but try not to break the site. While you wait, enjoy this helpful NYT scorecard comparing the world’s richest nanny to the various candidates on both sides. Verdict: “If you want to place him in the spectrum of American politics, he’s a liberal Democrat on all the major litmus test issues, and he’s a liberal Democrat on taxing and spending. I don’t see the product differentiation, except for the $4 billion bank account and the aura of the philosopher-king.”
Watch this, too. The Green Mountain Politics concludes, on the basis of what evidence I surely don’t know, that the malfeasors are Romney staffers. Given the fact that there are two cameramen taping them while they perform, isn’t the much sounder assumption that it’s a false flag operation? Click the image to watch.











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indexed to inflation rather than indexed to wages.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM
I almost missed this myself
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Fred is kicking ass. The other four don’t DARE interrupt.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Oh don’t mind them, they’re just running from the RP invasion blimp
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Chasing Paulnuts no doubt.
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:19 PM
See,like Reagan,take your message to the people
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 8:19 PM
dose anyone else get a real uneasy feeling when they see huckaboo smile
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:19 PM
That was just the Paulbots–they forgot to anchor the blimp.
IrishEi on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Everyone is jumping on Fred’s plan.
Even the candidates are catching it! Fredmentum, baby!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
I like Wallace being tough on Fred no one else has the nads to do it it seems (he was tough on McVainity too)
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
The blimp is/was in Pampa at noon. I saw it and while I didn’t swoon, I had to pull over.
sunny on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Wallace seems to interupt everybody but FOX’s boy McCain
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
McCain wants to fix it AGAIN using what was done before to fix it, because, yeah, that worked so well…huh?
rslancer14 on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
McCain: “what Fred said”
NellE on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
tampa=pampa
sunny on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Mitt and McCain complimentary of Fred’s Social Security Plan!
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM
UPDATE! McVain still makes we want to puke. He’s the biggest lying sack up there.
Well, maybe next to the Huckster.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM
New drinking game: whenever someone says some form of the phrase “I agree with Fred.” McCain just said it again.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Mitt’s calculating the time it would take to kill him and hide the body, can I do it before the end of the commercial break?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Populism. Let’s see Huck defend that crap.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Huck sounds like a pastor smoozing the masses.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:22 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I want Fred to grab him by the shoulders and flick him in the head and say, “snap out of it…” or bitch slap him out of the 9/11 zone one and for all.
AprilOrit on January 6, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Sluuuuuuurp!
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:22 PM
But,but,but McCain Liberals refuse to work with
the Republican’s!
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Romney consistently pwns everyone. He is our new god.
–Hugh Hewitt
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:22 PM
I feel the effect of non enforcement of our immigration laws.
I’m not a former Arkansas governor but I did stay in a holiday inn express out house.
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Yep your guilty Huck and convicted
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM
If looks could kill, Mitt would have incinerated the Huckster. Flames, man. FLAMES!!!!!
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM
HUCK/EDWARDS 08!
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Sluuuuuuurp!
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM
here we go after Hucka-bean now go Wallace!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM
“Sounds as if we should go against the Corporations” that’s exactly what you want.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Huck’s line, too much taxation, too much regulation, too much litigation. That’s pretty good.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
I can’t decide if Mitt reminds more of the Arrow Shirt guy or Ken Mattel himself….
AprilOrit on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Oh geez Fred.
Dash on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Why does it seem like everyone except for Mitt Romney is in the same Old Boys Club?
Vizzini on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Mitt better be careful, Huck may have taken lessons from Chuck.
Go FRED
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Mitt is gonna break out the cement galoshes.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Good points from Romney. Huckabee words don’t reflect his record.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Fred = ZINGER!!!
hehehehehehehe
LordMaximus on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
did huck just say that?
sunny on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Hmmm. Fred lays out the actual details of how to recoup Social Security into a working equation that actually prepares for out-of-control inflation and fulfills promises for future retirees.
Mitt says he likes it but it’s not politically good. Really says something about Mitt.
McCain basically takes the opportunity to say the same rhetoric Jorge did 3 years ago, with no real idea behind it.
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Fred is the bulldog. Maybe if he doesn’t make it, he can be UN ambassador?
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM
What in the hell is he saying? I swear he just said “jobs are lost and then they go somewhere and they’re lost and they’re somewhere else”… what?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM
HUCK ADMITS HES GUILTY!!!!!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Good for Mitt on elegantly smacking Huckabee/populism, and the lefties on the “two Amercas” idiocy.
Rudy/Romney appear tired and defensive.
Rudy/Huckabee/Fred, not so much.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM
I gotta say, me likey the Fair Tax idea.
Dash on January 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM
FRED: BODY SLAM!!!!!!!!!!11!1!!!
Not exactly effective, but damned enjoyable.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Because Mitt is a Northeastern Liberal parading as Conservative Ken….
AprilOrit on January 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Strangely it wasn’t until the last two nights that has really created that appearance.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM
I think Fred just decided to vote for Huck…Are you going to get rid of death???
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Dude. Chuck Norris can’t beat the
TerminatorMittbot 2000John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Mitt gets to respond to every single statement by every one of his opponents.
aero on January 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM
The Fair tax is the only thing I agree with for Huckabee
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Rudy can never remember anything of substance to back up an arguement, same old same old as when he was Mayor…..
AprilOrit on January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Huck “Vote for me for Presient I got rid of Death”
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
–Giuliani
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
MItt should be able to respond he got Raped by them last night!!!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
I’m here. We can start now.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Thank you Fred, it takes a constituntional Ammendment
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
“The reason my pants are on fire… i,uh,i mean, the reason our campaign is catching fire…”
Hockabee
Seemed at the time he WAS talking about Mitt laying people off.
christophercube on January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Steel Hair
abinitioadinfinitum on January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
We all know that only Obama, the Messiah, has the powers to resurrect the dead!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Exactly!! Thanks, Fred. Fair Tax is a trap with our current Congress.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Rudy has really taken those 9.11 criticisms to heart. He’s been better in the last couple debates.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
I find the moderator extremely pleasant/informed. He must go after his mother (on the pleasant).
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Everybody compliments teh Fred!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
good point Fred unless they get a constitutional amendment to get rid of the income tax we will get 2 taxes with a consumtion tax.
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
That is Mitt’s waiting in the weeds strategy. He has now jumped out and said “AHA!!!”.
:-)
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Yipee:)
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Fred looks the most Presidential.
/my bias is showing
CrimsonFisted on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
MUST… RESIST… FEEDING ….TROLLLLLLLL
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Change joke in…
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Tough question for J. McCain – Fred is one of his good friends.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
McCain is NOT wearing his flag pin.
allrsn on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
CHANGE!
(drink)
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Huckabee jokes about stopping death in his previous job was completely missed by Fred.
Complete7 on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
McCain, yeah an agent of bad change
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
But Huck is better for President. Obama only resurrects the dead Huck doesnt even let you die !
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Fred: let do what can REALISTICLY get done, not election fantasy
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Oh crap..the change game
I got a hangover from last night!
…walks to refrigerator and grabs beer…
Ahhh…change never tasted so sweet :)
lsutiger on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
I’ve been waiting patiently. :-)
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
He can never recollect anything, the man deals in fantasy and conjecture and has all of these Conservatives drooling over 9/11 Musical Part II starring Rudy. Go figure.
AprilOrit on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Sweet I am an agent of change – MCCAIN/CLINTON 08!
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Ummmmm…it was Petraeus’s new strategy. Not yours, McLame.
Zach on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
McLame: I am an agent of change {add Depends line here}
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Spit it back in the glass!!! That was last night!!!!
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
You’re on the road to dain bramage fella.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Man Fred is dominating this debate…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM
That’s very true. But now he’s just changed to a one trick pony about “I’m the mayor of New York!”
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Its not about change its about making things better
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Good answer on welfare too. People should listen to what he says instead of snarking.
“Fair” Tax is a disaster, and rapes the middle class.
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
McCain…some of my changes were really, really really sucky, but they count as “change”.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Cha-cha-cha-changes…..
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Ummm McCain,that’s not the change I was thinking of,DUH!
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Change…the other red meat
lsutiger on January 6, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Rudy and Fred in 08
Done.
The Race Card on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Fred Thompson ’08
He isn’t an agent of change, and he doesn’t blather on about it.
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
FRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
sunny on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Does Mcvain changes his depends?
would that mean we cand depend on his change?
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:32 PM
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