Open thread: You know what we need? Another debate
posted at 7:10 pm on January 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on Fox News. The Paulnut has been put out to pasture for this one, depriving America of yet another opportunity for the other candidates to score hawkish points at his expense. Romney vs. McCain should be the main event; Mitt will be tempted to toss a few hastily written one-liners his way just to prove that he can scrap when he has to, but he should reconsider. McCain’s stand-up performance last night seems to have bombed and may bode ill for Tuesday given his surprisingly dwindling lead.
Last night’s debate thread is the biggest we’ve ever had on HA (even bigger than the defeat of the amnesty bill last summer, if you can believe it) so continue to sound off below — but try not to break the site. While you wait, enjoy this helpful NYT scorecard comparing the world’s richest nanny to the various candidates on both sides. Verdict: “If you want to place him in the spectrum of American politics, he’s a liberal Democrat on all the major litmus test issues, and he’s a liberal Democrat on taxing and spending. I don’t see the product differentiation, except for the $4 billion bank account and the aura of the philosopher-king.”
Watch this, too. The Green Mountain Politics concludes, on the basis of what evidence I surely don’t know, that the malfeasors are Romney staffers. Given the fact that there are two cameramen taping them while they perform, isn’t the much sounder assumption that it’s a false flag operation? Click the image to watch.
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I’m pretty well off, but my daughter has coopted the 52 inch Sony for Guitar Hero III, so I’m relegated to upstairs.
peski on January 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM
I could care less who you vote for. I will tell you most the people on this blog will never vote for Ron Paul.
And because you believe in his issues doesnt mean I have to. Or that Im anti Democratic because I dislike Ron Paul.
Im not into cults
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM
which is why Communist and radical islamist support him.
jp on January 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM
I understand your points about RP muyoso, but can we save this thread for those who are debating tonight once it starts?
Thanks!
lan astaslem on January 6, 2008 at 7:55 PM
@ doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Probably because he is none of those things, and you are extremely dishonest for saying things like that. He is not isolationist, he is non-interventionalist. If you cannot figure out the difference, I am sure google could hold your hand, as I have only explained this to you half a dozen times. I guess Hillary is Chinese because she got a ton of donations to her campaign from china right? That is the argument you are making. You are a very dishonest person, that is why I dont like you. No matter what you post, there is at least 1 bald faced lie.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:55 PM
That’s affirm, Houston.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Fasten your safety harnesses.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Ok, I have recovered from the hangover induced by last nights debates.
Ready for round two,
when do we drink tonight? every time Rudy mentions 9/11?
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 7:55 PM
I don’t know if I can handle it;) Last night “change” game messed me up!
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 7:56 PM
I cant drink that much.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 7:56 PM
McCain “I will win NH”
lan astaslem on January 6, 2008 at 7:56 PM
@ William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Nice backing down off what you said a post before. You said I push RP’s views on other people. I proved to you that not only do I not do that, but that I also support a popular candidate on this blog for president as well. And of course, instead of admitting you were wrong, you backpeddle. Classy.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Good Idea!
BRB
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Wow, Hillary really did crater last night.
I’m glad we were all here to share the moment…
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM
A wrap up of all this weekends polls:
* CNN/WMUR: Obama +10, McCain +6
* USA Today/Gallup: Obama +13, McCain +4
* Strategic Vision: Obama +9, McCain +8
* Rasmussen: Obama +12, McCain +2
* 7NEWS/Suffolk: Obama +2, Romney +3
* McClatchy/MSNBC: Obama +2, McCain +8
* Reuters/Zogby: Obama +1, Romney +1
* Concord Monitor/Research 2000: Obama +1, McCain +6
* American Research Group: Obama +12, McCain +14
Complete7 on January 6, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Sweet mercy stop feeding the troll so we can talk about the debate!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Hey Paultard, look up the word Ironic…Or for that matter honesty…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:00 PM
@ doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:00 PM
You lied. You go look up honesty. I havent lied one time on this forum.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 8:00 PM
I said you accuse others of being undemocratic because they dont think Ron Paul should be on the stage tonight. But rather than taking a look at your own mistatement you changed the subject and now are touting Ron Paul as “popular” when he is dead last in National polls and now in 5th Place in New Hampshire (Check the latest polls)
So if you want to try and play at least have the honesty to do so “real” research rather than accusing others of not blindly believing in what you state.
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM
What a small table no wonder they couldn’t fit Ron Paul in.
Complete7 on January 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Great,I have cable——–but no stinking fox channel!
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Ron Paul is in third? lol
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Every time somebody posts a snarky comment?
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM
It begins…
Guardian on January 6, 2008 at 8:02 PM
@ William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Who did I accuse of being undemocratic? Put words in my mouth much?
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 8:02 PM
LETS GET IT ON!
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:02 PM
poor mitt stuck between Mclame and huckaboo
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Oh, s**t.
Romney channeling Reagan. I’m already drinking.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM
You do realize that this ‘poll’ hasn’t been updated in nearly a month. I wonder the bias to keep Guiliani on top. The Florida polls miraculously stopped when G was tanking too. Frankly Guiliani is probably the only R candidate I couldn’t support in the general. I like his campaign manager Forbes a TON! I’d probably vote for Forbes as much as anyone. I just wish Forbes didn’t pick Rudy. I guarantee you that without Forbes, Rudy would be gone a month ago.
ThackerAgency on January 6, 2008 at 8:04 PM
We need some serious smacking around of the Huckster. Who’s it going to come from? Mitt?
Odds McAmnesty will implode?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Perfect targeting range.
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I would love 0% cap gains for under 200K
lan astaslem on January 6, 2008 at 8:04 PM
don’t know if I can drink that much!
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:05 PM
For muyoso
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:05 PM
A-freaking-men
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:05 PM
How ’bout drink when a candidate goes over the time limit?
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:06 PM
McTaxer, let’s answer the real question, did you like the Bush tax cuts or not?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:06 PM
It’s held in NH, but for Republicans nationwide (except perhaps for the two states that voted already). Ron Paul can not and will not win. Period. There is no possible scenario in which he can, and one more debate isn’t going to change that.
If he was in the lead in NH perhaps you’d have a point, but over 20 points behind at 10% and about 4% nationally, you don’t.
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Deal!
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:07 PM
You think
the TerminatorRomney is going to crush McAmnesty with his robot hand?John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:07 PM
eliminate all pork barrel spending by cutting off all fed funds to all sanctuary cities and counties.
and stop using tax payer money on illegals.
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Done…..gonna be a rough morning….
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:08 PM
But… but… they’re all
God’s children!criminals!John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:08 PM
McCain wants to make me throw up.
But that’s probably just me.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Why doesn’t someone say to John mcCain “YOU, my friend, have been in the Senate for the past 8 years and spending has been out of control. YOU, my friend, are part of the problem. WHY SHOULD WE VOTE FOR YOU !!!
stenwin77 on January 6, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Hollowpoint on January 6, 2008 at 8:06 PM
and just as importantly, if nominated in some alternate universe, he’d lose all 50 states in biggest landslide ever, easily.
jp on January 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM
I want to puke blood every time Huck opens his mouth. Is that normal?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Yep.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Holee smokes, maybe the shoulder2shoulder format is to promote physical altercations.
christophercube on January 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM
How about a drink every time Huckabee says,
“Here’s what I do know…
IrishEi on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Why is touting a surplus a good thing?
Doesn’t that mean that taxes are STILL too high?
rslancer14 on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Huckster…Bull!! net taxes went up almost $1k per individual annually.
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
In a word, yes.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Very Clintonian, Huckles.
Valiant on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
It’s working. Thank you!
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
surplus means you took more money then you needed so you should have returned it to the people .
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Huck is pulling out the poor me card
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
“I made government
work”BIGGERJohn_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:10 PM
No. Everytime someone says; “people want roads.”
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Good zinger Mitt
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:11 PM
BAM!
Just because of the *****slap on Huck, SECOND LOOK AT THE MITTBOT!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Romney slaming Huck!!!
lan astaslem on January 6, 2008 at 8:11 PM
CLAW HIS EYES OUT AND LET’S GET THIS OVER WITH!!!! DAMMIT IT, MITT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Answer Mitt’s question, Huckabee.
“you make up facts faster that you can talk”
HA HA
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:12 PM
in other words, yes
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Man they’re right… Huck is pretty petty when pressed…
Awesome.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:12 PM
–Giuliani
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Mitt is pwning Huck.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Who’s brilliant idea was it to have Huckerbee so close
to Mitt,I hope theirs no airstrikes!
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Where is the feed…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Everyone is happy except Chuck.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Mitt just scored HUGH points with me!
davenp35 on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
ooo quick shot of Fred.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
here
http://streamingtvepisodes.com/streaming-tv-stations/fox-news-tv.html
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Rudy or McCain! Yeah I said it!
*Ducks and covers*
Dash on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
http://www.foxnews.com for the feed dorian
rslancer14 on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
HUGE…LOL
davenp35 on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
foxnews has it dorian and here
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Is it just me or is everyone else picking up Freds talking points?
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Okay Mitt is going to pull off the fake Terminator flesh, look at the crowd and say “welcome your machine overlord” and commence slaughtering McLame and Suckabee.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Foxnewsdotcom has the feed.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Who decided to put the bickering brothers next to each other?
rosewaning on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Yeah, that’ll work, Rudy, mention George Will–the guy who thinks Obama is the Messiah. That’s like invoking Linda Chavez on illegal immigration.
IrishEi on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Where is the feed…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM
foxnews.com, there’s a link toward the top of the home page in an orange bar
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Fox News homepage. They have a banner that sez “watch it live.”
DAMMIT, MITT!!!!! THAT WAS YOUR FRIGGIN’ CHANCE AND YOU BLEW IT!! I HATE YOU!!! ARRRRRGH!!!!
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
GO FRED!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Just you:) Go watch the first debate pre-Fred every one was dropping Reagan and Reaganomics left and right.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Mitt was pounding those guys. Absolutely pounding them.
Vizzini on January 6, 2008 at 8:16 PM
It will get SO much better.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:16 PM
they’re all sitting awful close…
sorry guys, got a late start.
rosewaning on January 6, 2008 at 8:16 PM
I lowered the income tax by 9/11%!!!!
–Giuliani
John_Locke
LOL
christophercube on January 6, 2008 at 8:16 PM
MadisonConservative:Super thankyou on the Fox link,
I’m able to watch,much appreciated,
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Why is Wallace interrupting Fred! so much? Doesn’t he know Fred! will eat him?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Good answer on taxes by Rudy.
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Fred plan for Social Security…Individual Retirement accounts, index initial retirement benefits to inflation.
RushBaby on January 6, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Romney is coming on strong!
Whack to 2 rinos on either side of ya yeah!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 6, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Why is Wallace hammering on Fred?
conservnut on January 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Go direct to the people
GO FRED!
FREDMENTUM!
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM
anyone see the security running in the background???
sunny on January 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM
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