Open thread: You know what we need? Another debate
posted at 7:10 pm on January 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on Fox News. The Paulnut has been put out to pasture for this one, depriving America of yet another opportunity for the other candidates to score hawkish points at his expense. Romney vs. McCain should be the main event; Mitt will be tempted to toss a few hastily written one-liners his way just to prove that he can scrap when he has to, but he should reconsider. McCain’s stand-up performance last night seems to have bombed and may bode ill for Tuesday given his surprisingly dwindling lead.
Last night’s debate thread is the biggest we’ve ever had on HA (even bigger than the defeat of the amnesty bill last summer, if you can believe it) so continue to sound off below — but try not to break the site. While you wait, enjoy this helpful NYT scorecard comparing the world’s richest nanny to the various candidates on both sides. Verdict: “If you want to place him in the spectrum of American politics, he’s a liberal Democrat on all the major litmus test issues, and he’s a liberal Democrat on taxing and spending. I don’t see the product differentiation, except for the $4 billion bank account and the aura of the philosopher-king.”
Watch this, too. The Green Mountain Politics concludes, on the basis of what evidence I surely don’t know, that the malfeasors are Romney staffers. Given the fact that there are two cameramen taping them while they perform, isn’t the much sounder assumption that it’s a false flag operation? Click the image to watch.
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I’m liveblogging, for anyone interested.
JustinHiggins on January 6, 2008 at 7:14 PM
No. What we need is for Tennessee to make a play! Run Vince! Run!
TheBigOldDog on January 6, 2008 at 7:14 PM
So I can’t wait for Bloomberg to run, if only so I can read post upon post of unmitigated AP hatin’
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Campaign sign PRON. I like. Give us more.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Time for Fred to make a move
Dudley Smith on January 6, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Not gonna watch this one without Paul in it. It just isnt right to exclude him.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:16 PM
The fact that we can all consider any of this pron should tell us something…
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:16 PM
SECOND LOOK AT FRED!
Come on… Anyone?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Well I am still suffering from the last night shots for change drinking game but I am looking forward to tonight debate. I still say last night Fred won Mitt came in a close second.
If I hear that rino shamnesty tool McLame tell me one more time they are god’s children im going to kick in my TV screen. AQ are gods children too McLame so by your logic they should be able to flood in here right.
Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Wrong, it was never right to include that crack pot…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Is there going to be an internet feed on this…???
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:19 PM
@ doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:18 PM
You dont seem to like democracy do you?
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Paul being out is a good thing his rants waste too much time.
Look for Romney to play offense/defense tonight.
Huck will play passive agressive
McCain will try to fly more level rather than just be a mad bomber
Fred needs to Smack his oponents more than the moderators
Rudy will take over the attacking tonight
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:23 PM
It’s wrong for a network to decide who is and isn’t a crackpot. Some call Huck a crackpot.
If Tancredo had Paul’s numbers and a network thought his immigration views were not mainstream and they couldn’t perceive a scenario where he could win the nomination, it would be wrong for that network to exclude him.
Let Paul rise or fall based on his unusual views.
dedalus on January 6, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Democracy in the US survived 200 years before Ron Paul and isnt threated by him being out of debates.
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:24 PM
a Paultard talking about democracy, the irony is rich with this one…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM
A candidate who is polling as high as he is in the primary which this debate is intended for, and whom is not included because a corporation decides to not include him because of his views and his views alone, THAT isnt how this republic was meant to work.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM
You could make the same case for any of the candidates.
dedalus on January 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM
This is a political party’s primary. Read the Constitution, there is nothing in it as to how the parties pick a candidate. They didn’t even have real primaries until just recently. I thought you were a constitutionalist? ;)
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM
I wonder will Heaven’s Gate endorse a republican if he drops out? Who will his supporters follow…it will be an implosion.
tomas on January 6, 2008 at 7:27 PM
@ doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM
A person who is seemingly a “republican” who has so little regard for the US constitution in so many of his views. There is nothing BUT irony there.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Your advocating for the government to tell a primary corporation what to do? Shame! What would Dr. Paul say?
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:27 PM
SECOND LOOK AT THE PAULBOTS!
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM
primary = private
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM
P. James Moriarty where are you? ;-)
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Look the Democratic candidates have more time to answer because they have been seriously culled.
The Republicans obviously aren’t going to do that any time soon, and so the field needs to be culled by whatever way possible.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM
@ bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM
When did I ever say I was a constitutionalist? I support the constitution 100% and I find that a lot of people on here could give a crap about it, and apparently the republican nominees, and of course as always the democratic nominees, could also care less about it.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM
@ bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:27 PM
No, I dont think that a corporation should have any involvement in our election process at all really.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM
C’mon, man. Snark isn’t allowed for another half hour. Read the rules.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Fifth place?
amerpundit on January 6, 2008 at 7:30 PM
@ John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Thats fine, what are the criteria? This is a debate meant for the New Hampshire primary. They will mention this primary dozens of times tonight. Therefore, wouldnt you think the lowest polling people in this particular primary should be excluded?
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Unless the only mandates you support are Dr. Paul’s mandates?
Nationalize the press?
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Mybe this is why Ron Paul isnt there. His money isnt buying him votes
FOX NEWS POLL
Republican Presidential Nomination
Giuliani 20.8%
McCain 17.6%
Huckabee 17.6%
Romney 14.4%
Thompson 11.4%
Paul 3.6%
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Paultards talk about the constitution, they don’t actually read it much less understand it. It’s just another blunt object for them to swing at their opponents.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Dwindle, McCain, dwindle!
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Right here dude. Had to clean up the after-dinner dishes and dig out the Jack Daniels. Won’t drink on an empty stomach.
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 7:33 PM
@ amerpundit on January 6, 2008 at 7:30 PM
He is tied for third.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:33 PM
These Romney staffers are obviously replacing their signs that the McCain staffers took down earlier. Of course RP’s used to be there just before Hucks.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 7:33 PM
I want to see Fred walk over and pick up McVain, piledrive him into his podium, then say “I’M FRED DALTON THOMPSON, AND I APPROVED THIS ASS WHOOPING!!!”
Anyone give me odds on that?
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:33 PM
Yawn….
Wake me when it’s matters and isn’t a bunch of blowhards and their empty empty rhetoric.
mjk on January 6, 2008 at 7:33 PM
The debate ought to be what’s best for the party, since it is a party debate. Clearly, Paul on the national level is not going to win. Not good for the party, leave him out.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM
@ bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM
I am not going to argue with you if you intentionally try and twist my words to make yourself sound retarded.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM
If, by “tied for third” you mean sixth, and last, then yes, that is correct.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM
@ doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Throw out who you are supporting for president and I will lay out ten positions of his that are contradicting the constitution.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM
You can’t trust Vermonters to say anything nice about their neighboring state.
I trust all the well-informed commenters here know that the GREEN mountains are in VT, and the WHITE mountains are in NH.
I trust everyone knows that VT is the highest per capita tax state and NH is #48. Liberal VT versus (used to be) Conservative NH.
fred5678 on January 6, 2008 at 7:35 PM
That would be all to funny…But sadly if it happens it will be metaphorical only.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:35 PM
The debate will be livestreaming on Foxnews.com, btw
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 7:35 PM
DON’T FEED THE TROLL.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:35 PM
Channeling Ron Paul…Bla bla bla…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Sorry, just pulling your leg a bit. It isn’t fair not to have Paul there tonight. But it does point out a major weakness in his positions. The Constitution of the United States is not a fairly written constitution. Never has been. That is why we need laws like the Civil Rights Act that he voted against to try to even the field a bit. Ron Paul is a fundamentally flawed presidential candidate because he doesn’t understand that. I think in your heart of hearts you do. Have a good evening watching the other candidates beat each other up :D
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:36 PM
@ wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM
In the latest Rasmussen poll. he is tied for third.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:36 PM
@ wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM
And in EVERY poll he is killing Thompson.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Doh………Sorry, my bad…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:37 PM
We’re gonna be at 500 comments before the friggin’ thing even begins.
I promise to back off until then.
Bottle of wine: check.
Bowl full of snark: check.
Autographed Ron Paul model blimp: check.
Let’s DO IT!!!!
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:37 PM
voted against = does not support (he wasn’t around to vote against it)
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Might as was let Gavel and Kucinich debate with elephants. Ron Paul is polling in third made me laugh.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 7:37 PM
The problem I have with RP is that EVERY SINGLE QUESTION he is asked he answers with the same foreign policy rants. We all know what he’s gonna say and it’s a waste of time.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Ron Paul has been given too much air time. He is a fringe candidate of a small vocal minority of whiners. Paulites cant manipultate real polls so that is why he isnt considered a serious enough candidate to be on the stage.
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Alan Keyes wants to play too.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
@ bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:36 PM
I am not calling him the Messiah. He is just I think the most logical sounding person by far on the republican side. His views fit mine more than all the other candidates, and some of the republican candidates, actually most of them, scare me to death. They are all gun grabbing, religion flinging tax and spend maniacs other than Ron Paul and Fred Thompson.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
@ csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
That is because all of his positions are greatly bound to each other. They each flow from each other.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Yes, yes, you are correct. That is, if “killing Thompson” means losing substantially to Fred and every other candidate. I see where you’re coming from.
But your guy does have a blimp. And if Professor Blather was here, I think you would have a new friend just because of that.
Now, off with you. I have more important things to do. Dorian, do you have a corkscrew I can borrow?
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Where will the feeds be? Anyone know?
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Second look at the blimp!!
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Well since you said something nice about Fred!, I take back what I was thinking.
Fred!
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 7:40 PM
@ John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 7:35 PM
I only gave doriangrey a little snack.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:40 PM
The stupid is strong with this one, Obi Wan.
(OK, OK, no feeding the trolls. I’ll stop!!!!)
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM
@ wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_primary-193.html
Collection of all polls leading into the NH primary. Fred is losing all of them, badly.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM
One could argue that not including RP will actually help build his support because the establishment is trying to silence him.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Na, I just use a buck knife an whack the end off the bottle… ;)
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM
This is the opportunity Ron Paul has been waiting for – if he orders his bots to crash the blimp into the FoxNews trailer, kamikaze-style, he will instantly become the front-runner!
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Its a fox news debate so probably on one of their stations
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Ron Paul would never get the Republican nomination. Better to weed him out now to start his Constitutional run.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 7:42 PM
@ wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM
I will pull a Romney and say that attacking me isnt going to accomplish anything, why dont you try and attack what I said? You dont think that RP’s positions are greatly bound together? Please explain.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:43 PM
For those of us who don’t pay for television…
http://streamingtvepisodes.com/streaming-tv-stations/fox-news-tv.html
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Ah,Houston I think we have a go for launch,
T-minus untill we have snarky one liner’s for lift off.
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 7:43 PM
SECOND LOOK AT P. JAMES MORIARTY LOOKING AT THE BLIMP.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:43 PM
My kinda guy.
WHACK
Ummm…. am I supposed to be bleeding like this now?
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Thanks. I am poor.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Possible but I think its legit. Isnt that big of a deal and is sort of snicker worthy
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:44 PM
@ csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM
I would agree, but i tend to stay away from that whole establishment vs the people crap. Makes me sound too much like a hippie which makes me want to run a warm bath and slit my wrists.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:44 PM
LMAO!! That was worth a shot of JD to get things started!
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Hopefully this ends right at 9:30pm because Bill Gates’ last keynote at CES begins at that time, yes I’m a geek.
Complete7 on January 6, 2008 at 7:45 PM
paul is a constitutional and historical dunce. or purposefully spinning it to fit a political platform, history being correct is irrelevant then
jp on January 6, 2008 at 7:45 PM
muyoso is an all right guy and has put up with a lot of junk on this forum for his support of the blimp guy and has mostly remained a gentleman about it.
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM
O/T
Just saw a teaser for 60 minutes with Mushy saying basically Bhutto should bear responsibility for exposing herself throught the sunroof.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM
SECOND LOOK AT BILL FRIGGIN’ GATES!
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Gaaakkk Bill Richardson is on there ! He still wants Mushariff removed. Yet he was against having Saddam removed ?
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM
@ jp on January 6, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Oh jp, please stop with your inane rantings. Everyone knows how you feel, yet everyone also knows that you are boring and annoying.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Rookies….wrap a towel around it, and try not to bleed in the whine…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM
My problem with muyoso is that he belives that if your against Ron Paul your against Democracy.
Ron Paul isnt democracy and democracy isnt based on Ron Paul. The US will survive a Ron Paul defeat.
William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:48 PM
How can you be an alright guy when you support a isolationist neo-nazi racist truther for president?
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Better than it would survive a Ron Paul victory…
LagunaDave on January 6, 2008 at 7:50 PM
But he has a blimp!
/channeling Professor Blather
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 7:52 PM
http://stratosblog.com/Fox_NH_Debate_Blog.htm
log on and join the discussion!
Dhornertx on January 6, 2008 at 7:52 PM
@ William Amos on January 6, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Wow, guess I never said that I endorse Fred! for president either huh?? Guess I never said he was the only real conservative short of RP??? I guess I never said that I would vote for him in a second if he got the nomination??
Nah, William Amos has to be right, because he says things without doing any research or reading.
muyoso on January 6, 2008 at 7:52 PM
I believe foxnews.com will have a live stream when the debate begins, but the only way to know for sure is to check there at 8 pm.
johnny dollar on January 6, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Well, time enough for a smoke before the games start…
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM
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