Fred gets ornery with the media: “I owe you nothing” Update: Clips added
posted at 3:08 pm on January 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A little whiny for my tastes in the first clip, especially the dubious claim that last week’s dropout rumor cost him two or three points in Iowa, but it’s still top quality Fredporn for the ‘Heads to savor. Enjoy!
Fred’s supporters like to say he’s the only true conservative in the race, but it’s more than that. He’s the only candidate on our side who’s not, essentially, a bulls**t artist. Some would say Huck falls into that category too, but he doesn’t really. He’s simply a bulls**t artist who’s exceptionally good at shoveling his bulls**t. Hence the many comparisons between him and the other man from Hope.
You’ve got the ‘Busters clip up top and then a somewhat testy exchange between Fred and Bill Hemmer from FNC this morning below that. The more horserace questions they ask, the ornerier(?) he gets. Click the images to watch.
Update (bp): Here’s the “I owe you nothing” clip.
Update (bp): And here’s Fred on Fox sparring with Bill Hemmer.
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Well seeing as there have been other posts on HA talking about how O’Reilly has iced him out of the polls, I think it is more of a statement. Plus since Fred! gets so ornery towards the media, how do you think he’d deal with O’Reilly? I would love to see someone smack O’Reilly down.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Thanks. That’s kind of what I thought because he said on the above clips that he had raised “hundreds of thousands” - so that would mean 2 at least. Maybe he can make some noise in SC then!
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 4:31 PM
AP is toughening the Fredheads’ resolve. It’s popular with his ladies. It’s also reverse psychology.
Also, if Fred wins/loses, it’s going to be gold/platinum. It’s a steely strategy, really.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM
The UN would cry like babies over that combo
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Is it unusual to have a candidate say, I need x amount, instead of just begging for more money?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM
AP called him a ‘paper tiger’. I think the reason that he is critical in that vein still is because Fred has done nothing to dispel that perception.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Fred is spending so much time punching hippies; he doesn’t have the time to punch the media.
lorien1973 on January 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM
First off, O’Reilly is an arrogant belligerent prick who makes a living out of cutting people off with his “all right, all right, I don’t want you talking any longer because I’ve got something to say” attitude. If Fred skipped him, I wouldn’t be surprised.
And exactly what hand has he bitten that is feeding him? The people? His supporters? The ones who he puts faith enough in to put out ads even before a fundraising goal has been met? Or are you talking about the media, who neglects to even include him on polls asking which Republican candidate they would vote for? Oh wait…wasn’t that O’Reilly? The same O’Reilly that aired a non-airing Huck ad, thereby giving him more exposure than he could hope for? Can’t imagine why Fred isn’t clamoring to get on The Factor…
MadisonConservative on January 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM
I can understand my criticism of her being interpreted that way, but that’s not where my inquiry about her started. I have wanted to ask this about her on some of the social issues threads where she appears on Bill O’Reilly, but I either never had the time or I was late to the discussion on those threads. So this just presented the opportunity for me to ask about her.
I don’t really care what many people have to say about the candidates. I can think for myself and determine whether or not I want to vote for the person on my own. I do consider the opinions of experts such as Rush Limbaugh, who has followed politics closely since the 1980s, at least and I consider the opinions of military experts when researching the war effort and military history. But, in the end, I still make up my own mind about all issues.
All I am asking is what is Mary Katharine Ham’s expertise. She seems to hold a lot of credibility with Bill O’Reilly and those here at HotAir, I would just like to know why. Why is she the commentary expert for social issues segments on Bill O’Reilly? Does she have some kind of expertise in that area or is she just brought on as a cute, educated, intelligent woman to talk about the issue?
That is not a knock on her, I’m simply asking if she has some kind of expertise on politics for which I should seriously consider her opinion.
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 4:34 PM
I was listening to the Huckster spin like a dradle in some triumphant interview video last night, and I swear he threw out some magnificent bullshit line about his views on Iraq and Iran, and he completely misused the word he used.
It made zero sense. And I laughed like hell and promised myself to come here and see who else caught it. Now I can’t remember anything about the interviewer, the word…it’s all gone. And I haven’t even been drinking.
Somebody help me out. AP?
Jaibones on January 6, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Which is why it is completely awesome.
What would the first 100 days of the Thompson/Bolton presidency look like? Bombing ten floors out of the UN building.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Not to anyone paying attention
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Spirit, for god/bad, Fred could have entered 2 years ago and would sill be just Fred.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 4:35 PM
A) She is attractive.
B) See A
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Fred has an “I don’t want to work that hard for your vote, take it or leave it” thing going that can be refreshing and/or arrogant depending on how you recieve it. He doesn’t have the natural likeability that Reagan had, so it just comes down to the issues… where he’s right. He is who he is, and he’s not the kind of guy that people intuitively feel understands them. I’m with him on the issues and I’ll vote for him if he’s still in it when the circus comes to VA, but he doesn’t have a word-of-mouth personally and that’s making it tough for his position on the issues to resonate.
MT on January 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM
I think anyone who is around politics constantly and is clever and intelligent can pick up on trends quickly, and she certainly has. I enjoy her blog, and trust her observations.
Traditional qualifications? Not really. I think her degree is in Journalism.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 4:39 PM
bites the hand that feeds him…
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 4:27 PM
BD, you are way smarter than to assume that any media is “the hand that feeds him”.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I thought he was a nice enough guy, he talked to me (an 18 year old nobody) twice and had remembered my name when he was at a fundraiser I had worked on.
But I do understand how his attitude could offend some people… I definitely enjoy it though.
I just hope voters have enough sense to elect a guy who is solid and right even though he might not be the nicest guy in the world.
Nevermind we’re screwed.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I hate to even ask but how exactly?
That’s a good thing yes? He would be consistent, but he would be better known. That’s the key isn’t it? For example last night’s debates: If you understand what Fred stands for then you say he did great. If you aren’t familiar with his positions, you’d say like we did earlier with Huck - hey couple nice funny lines. This is going to increase (I think) as avg voters start to look for the 2nd option as primaries whittle down the candidates.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM
In fact lots of posters here could be just as insighful as most talking heads. Some people make it on TV and get exposure, for reasons like looks, connections, personality, who they know, etc.
I have often wondered how some people “make it” Ann Coulter and Mike Gallagher for example.
Not to say MKH shouldn’t get on TV, I like her well enough, she is usually right, unless she takes a different view than me of coyurse! :)
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I’m not asking for him to say he likes one candidate or another, I’m asking for him to actually give his opinion on the candidates. He has done that for Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee. He explicitly states what he thinks they are all about. He doesn’t do that with Fred Thompson though. He simply makes fun of his supporters, talks about “silly hats” and “lazy” and “fire in the belly” and then says things like “his supporters say he is the only true conservative…” If Allahpundit came out and stated that he believed Fred Thompson was a conservative, that is not an endorsement, it is simply a political observation. AllahPundit may not be a conservative.
My original point was to find out what AllahPundit meant by “schtick”. That’s all. I didn’t think that was too much to ask.
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 4:41 PM
I’ve said this before about Fred, he is a lot like Ronald Reagan.Both are media savy,that is they know on honest
question when they here it.Fred knows when he’s been sandbagged or set-up for a soundbite.
Republican’s when asked a question are straight forward,
and honest,Liberals have agenda’s,they love asking
idiot moronic questions,and then for weeks after,those
comments are forever debated on Liberal talking shows.
This election is going to be a heated one,Fred with all
his qualifications knows the media,therefore it’s going
to be tough going for the libs,to nail Fred!
canopfor on January 6, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Ah. Well I don’t mean to mischaracterize you. She has cred here because Michelle helped to build up her profile.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I don’t know if anyone else has said this but Fred’s exchange with Bill in that second clip wasn’t particularly “testy” IMO.
CliffHanger on January 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM
It certainly wasn’t in my view
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Yeah, the second exchange was good, I thought. It showed a clever, likeable Fred. The Today show clip was somewhat cringeworthy.
joewm315 on January 6, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Unfortunately, this is as much a press-driven beauty pageant as it is an issue debate. Look on the Dem side… are they talking substantively about any issues? I’m afraid too many voters just don’t dig much beyond their “feelings” about a particular candidate… and Fred doesn’s seem to strike many people well on that level.
MT on January 6, 2008 at 4:46 PM
I agree. And I see nothing wrong with it either. But I also know where Ann Coulter stands on the issues and the candidates. There are times I tire with the snark and cynicism and just want some objective analysis. With Fred, it seems AllahPundit is always snark and cynism and making fun of his supporters. He does this with Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul as well. So I just wanted to get a straight answer about his “schtick” comment to see if the reason he does that is because he thinks Fred is a fraud. I would disagree with him if he does, but it would at least explain why he is harsh. Just as people know why I am harsh on Mike Huckabee is because I think he is a fraud.
Thanks, Gatordoug. I have my moments when I am not very thoughtful and get a little too emotional with some rants, but hopefully those are few. And yes I am fed up with it too. I honestly appreciate csdeven’s criticisms of Fred moreso than the “lazy”, “silly hat”, “fire in the belly” criticisms. I think csdeven attacks him on that too, but he has also raised relevant criticisms many times too. I wish people would treat this campaign a little more seriously like that and focus on the issues instead of treating this like this is all a big joke that has no effect on any of our futures.
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Fred is a leader, not a follower. Answering stupid questions from a stupid reporter shows how weak some candidates are. The more Fred stands up to “reporters” the more respect he will gain. Respect, not from bleating sheep, but respect from the majority of voters who see reporting as elitists trying to always incite and ensnare who they are interviewing.
Fred doesn’t put up with silly questions, and in the end, people who want a leader will embrace a candidate who is not afraid to stand up to idiocy…but then there always is the Mitt-wits who embrace pretty hair over substance…so I guess not all will support Fred.
Amen, O’R thinks all candidates must pass through his gate to win…well, Fred thinks O’R is just another reporter, he (O’R) doesn’t run anything, maybe big numbers in ratings, but leaders don’t go around kissing ass. He will appear on O’R when Fred wants to appear on O’R, that’s being a leader not a beggar. Begging is something the other candidates are exceptional at.
right2bright on January 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Take a deep breath and relax on the Novak story. Either Team Romney did it or they didn’t. Personally I dont think they did and unless Novak proves they did it just isnt going to gain any traction.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Yeah, I guess there should be some consolation in the fact that both sides are idiotic.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM
I had a neutral position on Fred. I like his policies, and acknowledge his conservative creds. After his juvenile and boorish behavior last night any enthusiasm or respect I had for him previously has been significantly squelched. Whether I can resurrect it is up to……………> him.
Playing the incorrigible smartass is not working for this voter. We, the primary voters, are not the enemy yet he and his devoted follower seem to think that it’s our fault and not his. It’s coming across as arrogance to me on both sides.
O’Reilly has a huge audience and to ignore that opportunity to get his message out is jawdroppingly stupid. There is no reason to think that BOR wouldn’t have been respectful of Fred. And very frankly, when it comes to belligerent pricks I’m seeing a tie here between BOR and Fred at this point.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 4:31 PM
I do seem to recall complaints from that Fox was ignoring him, not having him on shows, not including him in polls and so forth. As for how Fred would handle BOR, he should be able to handle him just fine and as such I fail to see the reasoning behind this decision.
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I see that I should have said “would still be just Fred”, and I agree. That’s why I said “for good/bad“.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM
No, it really wasn’t. Fred is straightforward and doesn’t take the bait when he’s asked slanted questions. In fact, he cuts through them to the heart of the issue. Last night’s question about windfall taxes on oil companies added with the breathless “Aren’t you?” bit, to which Fred flatly replied “no.”
He’s unflappable and not about gamesmanship at all. The beauty of it is, he usually lands a one-two by making the tactics of the reporter (who’s trying to get a rise out of him) obvious, and then making a solid point anyway. The irony is that he gets labeled “testy” for not playing games.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM
ended, not added. sigh.
TexasDan on January 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM
If Hillary or Fred! is elected, then we will know it was not a beauty contest.
Fred!
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM
I have no idea as to AP’s true feelings about Fred. I cannot say why he does not reveal them. Can’t say I really care much either.
As to people getying more serious about substance, I think it is despreately needed. I pray we get it back as a nation.
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 4:26 PM
I understand what you’re saying, John_Locke, but I don’t subscribe to that attitude. Ron Paul supporters have worked their BUTTS off with grass-roots support to get Ron Paul on the map and gain him more support. He was polling in the 1% range and no one even knew who the heck the guy was. Now, he is well known. So called Fred Thompson supporters are using a copout when they say they switched to a CINO candidate, because Fred got in late, he is “lazy” or whatever else.
If people truly believed what they said, they would work their BUTTS off to support their candidate. That’s not happening. What I have seen is that the GOP is now only about winning and being anti-Democrat, not about standing for anything of substance.
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Are you joking? Fred was the most serious, issue-based guy up there last night. Are you mad because your boy Mitt was afraid to answer Fred’s question?
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 4:57 PM
I don’t need to take a “deep breath”. It’s in the Newsbusters story that AP linked to, it’s part of the topic on this thread, and I responded in a perfectly reasonable way to another commenter’s comments.
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Completely agree with your comment.
And I agree with you here, I think the more people cut through the BS and the soundbites and the attacks and get to substance, the more they warm up to Fred Thompson and cool on the others. That seems to be happening with Republicans vs Democrats too. The more the focus turns to issues, the more people turn to Republicans.
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 4:58 PM
BINGO!!!
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 4:58 PM
I’m not sure they’re even about winning. They’re a rudderless, flailing vessel, with a few true yahoos in it.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 4:59 PM
I agree, I am very optimistic about this whole process turning out well for us.
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM
If he doesn’t win some states soon he won’t need to worry about the libs. he can’t even win over his own party.
Bradky on January 6, 2008 at 5:01 PM
I’m sorry, but that’s just wrong. I know Ron Paul had his loons come up with 20 million dollars, but he’s also been running, has a base, and has his own (lunatic) endorsements and donors.
I guarantee you the real problem is the money, which is EXTREMELY difficult to raise after other candidates have sucked up the donors.
Like I’ve said before, I worked for a fundraiser for Thompson in one of the richer communities in Alabama, where a ton of donors for other campaigns live, and the majority of the people I called had already been picked up by Romney or Giuliani and had spent all they were going to spend on the elections.
I could sit and work my a$$ off all day, but do you want to donate $2,300 to a candidate who probably won’t make it?
My family’s maxed out on Thompson, but that’s also cause we’re extremely lucky to be able to afford it, the majority of the electorate is not going to feel the same.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 5:02 PM
I’ll admit this particular election fills with me with some kind of macabre fascination. I thought the two strongest R candidates were Fred and Rudy and they are on two entirely different sides of the spectrum. Fred entered late and needs the early momentum, Rudy entered early and needs the late momentum. And on the other side, the guy that announced first is cruising right now.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Ummm…. no you didn’t.
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 5:04 PM
This side should ignore the other side for the primaries and focus on themselves. There is plenty to focus on the left, once the winners are known. That side is a ‘rich’ target.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 5:05 PM
What question was that? Quote it for me. What Fred did was repeatedly interrupt Mitt with snide comments, as Mitt was explaining what his plan was about.
Mitt was every bit as “serious” and “issue-based” as Fred, particularly on that particular topic which he has devoted considerable effort towards, as evidenced by his forward thinking Massachusetts plan.
Indeed, maybe you can tell me what Fred’s health insurance plan is. He was not interrupted by Mitt and was able to present it as clearly as he wanted to, but as I recall there was nothing there but a very general philosophy lacking specifics.
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 5:06 PM
csdeven will come in and tell me that he doesn’t have a man in this race…soon, I hope. It’s always so “yeah, it never rains in California”.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Ah…I see, you don’t remember telling me to clam down when the false story about Fred dropping out was being floated. Like I said, either Team Romney did it or they didn’t. If they are innocent, there is nothing to get worked up about, if they are guilty…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Fair enough. But really, her observations are not any more clever or intelligent than many other pundits on the web. She comes across as intelligent, educated and expresses herself well. She also is cute and attractive and has a good sense of humor. But really, there are lot of people like that. In fact, there are women like her who are her political opposite: intelligent, educated, express themselves well, cute, attractive and good sense of humor except… they are liberal/”progressive”, yet we don’t go to them as experts.
Again, this was not a knock on Mary Katharine Ham at all. I was simply wondering if she had some expertise that I did not know about which made her a popular go-to pundit on O’Reilly and here on HotAir and other places in the blogosphere.
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Certainly not. He was ecstatic about Fred, almost gushing. /sarc
Absolutely correct. We have enough problems to deal with right now.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM
wccawa, in the immigration/McCain thread I wished you “Happy Birthday, a long, healthy, and good life”, or something to this effect. Just in case you missed it, all the best,
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Really? Prove me wrong! I’m not playing the wccawa/Doriengrey paranormal psychology game anymore.
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Buy Danish, it’s doriangrey.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Heheh, yep that’s how I feel about all pundits too, including Rush Limbaugh. Oops! Did I just blashpeme? heh :)
Seriously, I like her too.
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM
It was about health care. It was DID MITT”S health care plan PUNISH those who chose NOT to get it?
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM
She cant see that, she believe otherwise and no amount of confronting her will change her mind. Apparently her idea of a neutral position and the reality of a neutral position are not quite the same.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Sorry Fred does not believe in socialized MANDATED health care!
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Interesting that you should mention Marc Steyn as an expert and question MKH’s expertise/credentials. Marc’s highest formal educational achievement is a high school diploma. Now I consider him an expert also, but because of his proven common sense, not his credentials–obviously.
baldilocks on January 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Who was it that posted here yesterday about maintaining two separate thoughts at the same time;)
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Sure thing. If the tables were reversed and Fred was being accused of playing dirty tricks based on a non-story you’d be fit to be tied.
I am interested in…the truth. If Romney did it, fine. I want all the details about who said what to whom.
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 5:11 PM
I did see that, and thank you so much!
Sigh… ;)
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Well, then, it’s a damn good thing we’re both paranormal psychologists! (Me: also a minor in “Exorcism”)
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 5:13 PM
You forgot about his accent! I agree 100% by the way. I have long felt that the core of conservative thought can be conveyed by simple common sense.
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 5:13 PM
It’s not mandated health care!
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 5:13 PM
this helplessly addicted Fred head thanks you
EricPWJohnson on January 6, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Maybe you MISSED Mitt saying “I like mandates”? Maybe you missed that his plan PUNSISHES business owners and individuials that choose not to get the Mass. health plan?
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Time to put up or shut up doriangrey. Open up the vaults! I provided numerous direct quotes on the topic last night. Your turn!
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Lest I be misunderstood, Spirit, I meant the candidates should focus on this side for now, not the commenters. Though they’d be a bit better off too, if they would…
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Fred has no clue what it is. He just thinks the word “mandate” is bad and gets snarky about it. Notice when Mitt challenged him to put up his plan Fred suddenly shut up and sat back in his chair.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Sorry, last time I say it, I do not converse with trolls.
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 5:18 PM
I agree, but somewhat disagree. Fred has already alluded to the unfairness and meddling that the MSM does.
When you have an anti-media campaign. The media is the last person that’s going to help you get your message across.
He is right, of course, not pandering to anyone but you do have to kiss up to the media somewhat, for they can make you are break you. I think there is a contest afoot in the media, where they see how many hours of programming and news they can deliver without mentioning Fred Thompson.
You know they are protective and unfair in that way
TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Apparently you haven’t been paying much attention to what I post. If Fred were accused of something like this I would want to get to the truth and be pissed off at Fred if it were true. Your continuing to treat this as a none story just shows the depth of your bias.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Well there seem to be a whole heck of a lot of people willing to donate and work hard to publicize Ron Paul, despite the fact he has absolutely no chance to win. That does not stop them from at least standing by their principles and supporting their candidate, because they believe he is right on the issues for America. Some of them may be lunatic Truthers, but they do stick by their principles (be they logical or illogical in nature…).
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Nope, Mitt continued talking and fillibustered until the moderator gave Fred his chance to tal. Fred started to lay out his points, then the moderator cut him off.
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM
csdeven, I feel like I read in another thread that you were from Canada. Are you?
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Do you like paying for other people’s emergency room visits or long term hospital care? That’s a mandate that we’re stuck with right now, isn’t it?
Did you get the part about insurance premiums coming down?
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Take a look at these trends and tell me Fred is “doin’ fine”.
csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Then have you sent in your $2,300 max?
I’m just trying to say that there’s a little more to it than ‘if you really had convictions Fred would be winning’
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Bill Gates, ditto, + a few courses at Yale, then dropped out…they say when in line at the movies, by himself, people have to remind him to move forward, due to absent-mindedness. Also, I was in a front row when he spoke at a huge conference - almost the worst speaker, ever…experts in what?
Case to be made for/against Michael/baldilock’s points.
Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 5:24 PM
OK fair enough, you like government mandating people’s health care.
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Mitt’s HealtCare Plan IS mandatory and there are penalties for non-participation.
Beto Ochoa on January 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
and Rudy and Mitt and Hillary and Obama, and it looks like now Huck. Why makes Fred different I wonder?
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Old Polls.
infidel on January 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Wonder if HA is accessory to that? It sure helped Politico.
Kokonut on January 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Huck, I think, is simply a fluke. The rest are because of strong fundraising and structure.
There is a lot to be said for money, even though I wish there weren’t.
John_Locke on January 6, 2008 at 5:27 PM
I questioned them simply because I did not know them. Marc Steyn’s credentials seem to be that he has studied and followed demographics history, among plenty of other things, in his career. Thus came about his book America Alone. He writes on political issues and history and backs things up with facts. From all I can tell about Mary Katharine Ham, she is just an opinion journalist with no real studied background in anything other than journalism. I see her kinda like I see AllahPundit. Just an average, intelligent, educated, witty person who participates in opinion journalism, but does not really have any expertise in an area, like say Victor Davis Hanson does in military history or Robert Spencer does in Islamic history.
BUT, I didn’t know her background, so I was asking if anyone knew what it was. It was not a knock on her, I was simply trying to figure out her area of expertise and background, since she seems to be a popular go-to pundit.
Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Then blame the moderator!
I went back last night and reviewed it. Fred gave his “plan” first at Gibson’s behest and he was not interrupted by Mitt or anyone else.
Next up was Romney. Fred interrupted him no less than 3 times as Mitt tried to present his plan (which had the benefit of being a real plan, not just a legislator’s pipe dream). He was not “filibustering” anymore than Fred was.
Fred could have waited for Mitt to finish and go after him after the fact if he wanted to, but that is not what happened.
Who lost in this? We did.
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Oh please……….Who needs to open the vaults when you are doing it right now…You are a die hard Mittenhead and as I said before, just smiling as you stab someone in the back does not make you a nice person.
There was no justifiable excuse for your comment where you said that Fred’s performance turned you off to him. That was an intentional attack designed to be exactly the same as smiling as you stab someone in the back.
Fred is not and never has been your candidate and you never have had any intention of considering him. Therefore your snark was nothing less than an attempt to influence other readers.
It was an attack on Fred the individual, not his policy’s and it was both dishonest and disingenuous. You were called on it and you still refuse to admit that it was nothing less than a ad hominem attack.
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM
PM
Indeed it does and I guess Buy Danish is OK with that
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM
One.more.time. It’s not mandated healthCARE.
Buy Danish on January 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Agreed. Fundraising and structure (ie getting the message out).
Spirit of 1776 on January 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Does it PUNISH those NOT participating? Do the math!
Gatordoug on January 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Another $100 for Fred.
Theworldisnotenough on January 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Amen to that. Danish, csdeven et al support Mitt for one reason alone.
Cult mentality.
Beto Ochoa on January 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Do they get to stay in the country……Er will you get fined if you chose not to participate…
doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I don’t agree with you narrarative, but lets cut to the chase here. You, it seems, agree with Mitts version of socialized medicine, I don’t. I agree with Fred that if the fed should be involved at all, it should stanadrdize the industry and let the free market pressures bring the price of heath insurance down. Ne need for the Fed to be in the business of providing health care, the states may want to do that, but it’s not the Feds providence.
P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM
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