Open thread: Hey, how does three and a half hours of debate on a Saturday night sound?
posted at 6:00 pm on January 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The fun begins at 7 p.m. ET on ABC. I believe it’s the GOP up first followed by the Hillary-Obama death match at around 8:30, so if you want to catch the Republicans and then switch to Jags-Steelers, you won’t miss much of either. Fred may go after Huck to try to start peeling away evangelical fencesitters in South Carolina; everyone else will be gunning for Mitt, with the exchanges between him and St. John promising plenty of acid highlights later.
Sound off in the comments and please pass along tips about video-worthy moments. In the meantime, for your reading pleasure, here’s (a) Bob Novak whispering that it was Mitt who was behind the Fred dropout rumors last week, (b) Slublog analyzing Huckamania, and (c) word from New Hampshire that the state GOP has dropped out of the debate tomorrow night due to Fox’s Ron Paul snub. With Paul bringing out independents and various donation-happy kooks for the primary, I guess they had no choice but to go to bat for him.
Update (Bryan): You may already know this, but if you want to keep track of the game while you’re watching the debate, hit the NFL’s site and click on the game score and you’ll get a page that’s updated every few seconds. Washington just took the lead as I was writing this update.
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oh the tamper proof ID. what a crock. and now we can’t throw the bums out. not voting for ya rudy.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:10 PM
McCain traps himself
abinitioadinfinitum on January 5, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Stop fibbing McCain
Gatordoug on January 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM
here we go never supported amnesty
PowWow on January 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM
I am a liar than Senator. You ARE for amnesty.
CrimsonFisted on January 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM
John McCain has never supported amnesty. Really? How do you think of this line: John McCain never supported the surge.
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM
slap fight!
Guardian on January 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Fred? speak UP
abinitioadinfinitum on January 5, 2008 at 8:12 PM
I seem to remember a huge hissy fit by John Mc because Cornyn wanted to kill amnesty
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Hair vs No Hair
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Sorry I knew this was coming,their trying to pin down Republican nominees on this immigration,correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t McCain call Mitt a liar!
canopfor on January 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Age vs. Beauty
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM
I love this slapfight.
Bad Candy on January 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM
No special right to stay. Bingo
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM
I just went back and listened again to Mitt vs Fred. Fred explained his philosophy (he doesn’t have a “plan” per se). He was not interrupted.
Mitt was asked by Charles Gibson about his plan. Fred kept interrupting him. Despite the interruptions (one of which was a perfectly idiotic comment about $100,000 income thresholds). Mitt did a good job of explaining his plan, and I appreciate the opportunity to learn more about it.
Buy Danish on January 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM
liar liar pants on fire McKennedy
Oh wow learning English is a penalty
And all illegal aliens are criminals by just being here now if they worked with fake documents paid a smuggler they are felons .
Mojack420 on January 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Man, the downside of not getting into any feuds is never getting to talk. Get IN THERE, Fred!
joewm315 on January 5, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Always mis-quoted ZING!!!
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:14 PM
McCain Cackled!
infidel on January 5, 2008 at 8:14 PM
We’re in the weeds now Charlie.
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:15 PM
romney needs to hang mccain on this. he’s lying.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:15 PM
McCackle?
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Rudy slap!
bnelson44 on January 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Crap. I need a play by play. The Husband just came in the room and now I am forced to watch Rush hour 3.
CrimsonFisted on January 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Ronald Regan did amnesty, and gentlemen, we now realize that was a MISTAKE
RJS2 on January 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Fred!
infidel on January 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Fred joins the fray.
Guardian on January 5, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Fred, talk more.
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Rudy brings the nuance. Hey, nobody’s perfect, even Reagan.
Rudy, you’re a freaking sieve on illegal immigration.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Go Fred,Rudy if there still in the country it’s Amnesty!
canopfor on January 5, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Go Fred Go
Gatordoug on January 5, 2008 at 8:18 PM
illegal is a crime
PowWow on January 5, 2008 at 8:18 PM
THere ya go Fred!
Gatordoug on January 5, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Good point. He might have been thinking: get to Baghdad, seize the palace, hand the keys over to Chalabi, head home.
dedalus on January 5, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Rudy’s lying
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Giuliani boooooooo!
Fred YeaHHHHH!
Fredalanche©
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Boo! Tell your husband his priorities are skewed.
Right now Rudy is responding to a charge by Fred that New York was a sanctuary city…
joewm315 on January 5, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Inhumane is now Rudy’s nuance. you just can’t polish the turd of your record on this rudy.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Get the Kleenex out
Gatordoug on January 5, 2008 at 8:20 PM
You dont get a pass Huck
William Amos on January 5, 2008 at 8:20 PM
OMFG, they just showed Hucks wife. I’m blind.
muyoso on January 5, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Umm…if you send the kiddies back to Mexico WITH their parents. That would be humane no?
RJS2 on January 5, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Oh how can people vote for this clown?
PowWow on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Huck. Whata schmuck!
The Ritz on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Oh God… It’s Huck
Seal the border responsibly???
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
He really sounds like a Democrat
Gatordoug on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Sealing the borders “in a responsible way.” what the hell does that mean?
I hate these little loopholes he leaves all over the place.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Would Huck really build the wall?
infidel on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
no one should live in fear – except smokers, right Huck?
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
come back across legally and SPEAK F’N ENGLISH!
RJS2 on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Oh Huck, just shut you sissy li’ mouth. Ya Howdy Doody Nancy.
I understand that being obese is detremental to a man’s testosterone levels.. Case in point
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 8:21 PM
You need to look to the left at Chucks wife when that happens. Heh
abinitioadinfinitum on January 5, 2008 at 8:22 PM
No ID will ever be fully “tamper-proof”
Gatordoug on January 5, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Double heh.
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Hahahaha. More interested in a peaceful evening than arguing over politics.
CrimsonFisted on January 5, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Uh, Ron, the Dem’s debate is later.
trubble on January 5, 2008 at 8:22 PM
How come Paul is the one to bring up the economic effect? Fred/Mitt where were you?!
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Ron Paul….”directs the hostility”. great. we’re still to blame, now for angry illegal immigrants.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:23 PM
I loved that one,Huckerbee thinks illegals, will by themselves head home,if caught!
canopfor on January 5, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Ohh…here we go with the black man
RJS2 on January 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Some one PLEASE bring up that the Senate just DEFUNDED the fence!!! Smack McCain!
CrimsonFisted on January 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
We don’t need Mitt to tell us that we are all for LEGAL immigration…..DUH!
Aggie85 on January 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Congressman Paul…probably best said of all besides Fred
Mitt BLOWHARD
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Is it just me, or is Romney getting more time than anyone?
Fred needs to keep jumping in there.
nailinmyeye on January 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Fred doesn’t say much, but when he does it is the wisdom of the ages.
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
@ TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Are you serious? So you think giving free education and healthcare to illegals is ok? Or are you just looking for anything you can to blame RP?
muyoso on January 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Geez why are we debating Barack Obama in a republican debate ?
William Amos on January 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
I’m getting bored with Romney yapping, jump in there Fred!
Bad Candy on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Rudy1: “If there is a fine it is not amnesty”
Rudy2: “Reagan passed an amnesty which included a fine”
Romney: “You just claimed if there was a fine it doesn’t count as amnesty!”
Rudy3: “Right it is not”
ROFL Rudy and Mccain can’t even get thier story straight on immigration.
Someone needs to hand Fred a Red Bull!!!!
Resolute on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Winners?
John_Locke on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 PM
I second that
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Why have they singled out Obama in this last question? Is Charles a HC fan or what?
Aggie85 on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 PM
This is actually a good debate for him just from face-time.
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 PM
I think Fred took a couple of Tylenol PM’s before the debate.
muyoso on January 5, 2008 at 8:26 PM
No. Are you drunk? RP was stating that we’re generating “hostility”–it’s the same line he takes with his isolationism, which is that we’re to blame.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:26 PM
“When Fred speaks – everybody listens !” He knows what he’s doing.
Steady – Ready – Freddie !!!
stenwin77 on January 5, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Ron Paul could use some Prosac
William Amos on January 5, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Like Fred Mertz. He had the fewest lines but when he spoke it was usually a doozy. I really like the smackdown on Chris Mathews he gave “No one asked your opinion, CHRISTOPHER“. Like he was schooling a small boy.
President Thompson, works for me!
CrimsonFisted on January 5, 2008 at 8:27 PM
OK who is serving drinks?
F15Mech on January 5, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Whos the bab next to huck’s wife. giggity giggity gig a ty
JVelez on January 5, 2008 at 8:27 PM
ROFL McCain
Beto Ochoa on January 5, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Pick on Mitt night
Gatordoug on January 5, 2008 at 8:27 PM
McCain looked like an idiot for that ad hominem on Mitt.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:28 PM
McCain’s joke fell super-flat…. I’m a Fredhead, but Mitt’s winning this debate. He just became my second choice.
joewm315 on January 5, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Remember to get people to donate to fred here:
http://fred08.com/
And to sign up here:
http://www.fred08.com/SpreadTheWord/ReferAFriend.aspx
bnelson44 on January 5, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Did Paul leave?
rosewaning on January 5, 2008 at 8:28 PM
McCain is shooting himself in the foot.
infidel on January 5, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Man, I didn’t know I could like McCain less. But somehow he pulls it off.
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Mitt. Reasoned, well-informed, statesmanlike…Presidential.
Just an awful candidate.
Buy Danish on January 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I like Richelieu’s line about Fred at the youtube debate, he wins because he looked like he wanted to GTFO and grab a scotch and stogie.
Romney sounds like a whiny little b*tch complaining about McCain attacking him. If you can’t handle McCain, how are you gonna handle Osama, chump?
Bad Candy on January 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
It is amazing that no one and I mean no one is hacking on Fred. They know that :
1. he is right
2. They want his endorsement
3. They would give thier eye teeth to have him as a running mate.
4. They feel totally out classed by him
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
McCain is part of the problem we want changed. Why would we vote for him?
Bye Bye John.
stenwin77 on January 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
McCain is blowing off his toes yes
Gatordoug on January 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I like the way Fred just silenced big headed Rudy on the immigration debaucle with Rudy going to court…:)
My mother is upset with Fred, she thinks he should respect Rudy because Rudy was the Mayor when Fred was DA Arthur Branch.
I just told her with talk like that – the next time the family goes to the house in Florida – my brother and I are going to Baker Act her.
AprilOrit on January 5, 2008 at 8:30 PM
McCain’s trying to laugh it off, but that was utterly an unpresidential little snide comment. It may have saved Mitt’s night.
TexasDan on January 5, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Ooorah! to that
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 8:30 PM
7-7 jags steelers
Mojack420 on January 5, 2008 at 8:30 PM
It is amazing that no one and I mean no one is hacking on Fred. They know that :
1. he is right
2. They want his endorsement
3. They would give thier eye teeth to have him as a running mate.
4. They feel totally out classed by him
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Absolutely. I am holding out for VP Fred, if he fails in South Carolina. His ideas and statesmanship need to have a place in the next Republican administration, and I’ll take what I can get.
joewm315 on January 5, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Sorry, I know a lot of you have counted Rudy out, but it’s gonna be sad if we have a candidate less articulate than him against BO or HRC.
CK MacLeod on January 5, 2008 at 8:31 PM
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