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GOP debate videos: Fred defines amnesty; Huck chucks on the surge; a face in the crowd

posted at 9:15 pm on January 5, 2008 by Bryan
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A man of few words, Fred Thompson, but the few words he does uses, he uses well. Here he whacks at both John McCain and Rudy Giuliani for their illegal immigration policies.

Mike Huckabee tells Mitt Romney that he not only supported the Iraq troop surge, he supported surge before Romney did.

The problem is, that doesn’t seem to be true. This is from MSNBC on Jan 24, 2007.

But beyond all of that, this may be the most disturbing video of the night. Our next president is one of the people in this crowd.

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McCain and Edwards….
“John! You smell of elderberries!”

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:18 AM

You might have won, except that the Professor Blather award is only awarded if the elderberries remark is applied to Ron Paul.

I’ll score it a 9 out of 10.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2008 at 12:33 AM

Photo#1 *Edwards to McC* “No tongues…”

Photo#2 *TheBeast* “Wanna go skinny dipping later?”

Photo#3 *Edwards* “That’s it, Huck. Right there. Notice how my left testicle is smaller than my right?”

Photo#4 *TheBeast* “Wanna go skinny dipping later?”

Photo#5 *speech balloon over RP* “We’re not gonna win this thing, are we?” *speech bubble over Richardson* “Nope.”

techno_barbarian on January 6, 2008 at 1:03 AM

Caption for #5:

RICHARDSON: Whatever, nutjob. I got your single digit right here.

see-dubya on January 6, 2008 at 1:10 AM

Luntz dem focus group sez:

1) Obama won
2) Hillary lost
3) Hillary is too entrenched
4) Stop attacking Obama
5) Obama may not be able to make the changes he says he will

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 1:57 AM

Captions

1. Last Tango In NH
2. “So then I said, The Aristocrats!”
3. Huck: “It’s twue, it’s twue!”
4. “You are getting sleepy, John, sleepy.”
5. Harold and Kumar Run For President

PowWow on January 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM

Oh and in case you all haven’t heard, Fred came in second in Wyoming.

doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 2:19 AM

#1 McCain to Edwards: Swing around, I need to get to the right of you

#2 Hil to Rudy: It’s Revlon lip plumper in Pretty Promise Pink–have you tried it?

#3. Huck to Mitt: Catch him, Mitt, I done slain him for ya.
#4. Hil to McCain: My husband won’t be home tonight…”
#5. RP to Richardson: blah blah blah blah blah

NellE on January 6, 2008 at 2:26 AM

#5
Richardson: “So, I hear you got a blimp. Think you could drop me off on your way home”?

soundingboard on January 6, 2008 at 5:04 AM

#2

Hillary: I know you like the dresses, but trust me. Just try the pant-suit”.

soundingboard on January 6, 2008 at 5:08 AM

#3

Silky: “Nice abs Huck. This doesn’t feel icky at all”.

soundingboard on January 6, 2008 at 5:10 AM

#4;

Hil: Guiliani just told me he prefers the dresses!”

soundingboard on January 6, 2008 at 5:13 AM

#1;
McCain;” You’ll like this. Guess what Hillary just told me about Rudy!”

soundingboard on January 6, 2008 at 5:19 AM

Did you see the look on Romneys face as Huckabee lied.

He knows he is lying, the problem is how do you say he is lying without sounding as if your comments are just sour grapes.

davod on January 6, 2008 at 6:23 AM

PHOTO #1: “…strangers in the niiiiight…exchanging glances…”

PHOTO #2: “Fredo…you broke my heart…”

PHOTO #3: “[insert tasteless handjob joke here]”

PHOTO #4: “Join meee…and I will complete your training…it is your *choooPURRRRRRR* DESSSSSTINY…”

PHOTO #5: Matter/Antimatter

fusionaddict on January 6, 2008 at 8:08 AM

It looked like Fred ducked around behind so he wouldn’t have to shake Hillary’s hand.

p40tiger on January 6, 2008 at 8:24 AM

After watching Silky trying to snuggle with everyone on the stage, I can’t help remembering that “Hugs means love!” (Ancient “Allah is in the House” reference. Sadly this is all that remains.)

When is the pancake breakfast anyway?

Pablo on January 6, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Agree that Mitt and Obama were the classiest.

Fred had the best lines, the guy needs to talk more.

See-Dubya is the king of captions, I woke the household up laughing at his posts

Shay on January 6, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Oh, yeah, MSNBC says McCain and Clinton were perceived as most agressive.

Agressive, heh. As someone who has lived in Arizona many decades, I don’t see McCain as agressive, just a nasty little man.

Shay on January 6, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Aggressive! Sheesh! But I just looked at the article again and the actual word was ‘combative’ – yes, McCain has definitely been that, all along.

Shay on January 6, 2008 at 9:51 AM

“A man of few words, Fred Thompson, but the few words he does uses, he uses well.” Bryan

What an astonishing concept!!!…concise substance! w/out the bla bla bla. Some people think this a lack of enthusiasm. pity….

“The rest of the candidates reminded me of children trying to build sandcastles below the tide-line.” floatingrock

yeah….or 5th grade when Miss Doyle wanted to know by a show of hands, who brought their nickles for the candy sale.

The next POTUS is gonna need to be one scary Mo’Fo because the sharia/dhimmi games are on & polite & nicely groomed won’t cut it.

GO GETT’EM,FRED!!!!

lobosan5 on January 6, 2008 at 10:18 AM

I wonder what O’reilly’s body language expert would say about that.

mattshu on January 5, 2008 at 10:16 PM

That he is lying! But we knew that, didn’t we?

traderdfw on January 6, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Caption Hill and Johnny Mac
“Hello sailor. Looking for a date?

Beto Ochoa on January 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Hill and Rudy Next years replacement hosts for Dick Clark for the New York Rockin Eve show.

Hill and McCain “John I can’t keep funneling funds to your campaign, you may have noticed I am in a little bit of trouble myself”

LakeRuins on January 6, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Peter Robinson:

With respect to Brother Jonathan, in my judgment Fred Thompson turned in a very fine performance, the more effective for proving underplayed. The others fought, bickered, attempted to demonstrate their brains. Naturally enough, they commanded the viewer’s immediate attention. But did they look like chief executives of a great nation? Or like candidates for a student council? Thompson stood, in effect, to one side, quiet and dignified, speaking less often, perhaps, but with cogency and principle. Thompson alone conveyed a sense of gravitas. He looked, spoke, and comported himself like a president.

If (as I expect) Romney fares badly in New Hampshire, Thompson will be the obvious choice for conservatives. He’s going to prove an easy man to rally around.

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 11:33 AM

I just noticed something in reviewing the video from the meeting and the photos you posted. You do not see Fred hugging, engaged in conversations with the opponents, or presenting any kind of chance for a photo op like all the other candidates did.
Good for you Fred!

LakeRuins on January 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Why in goodness name is it good that Fred refused to be civil?

And BTW, I think you’re wrong. I think Fred was civil and classy when it came time to meet and greet his opponents.

With the new Rasmussen poll putting McCain and Mitt in a virtual tie, it also leaves Huck to battle it out with RP for the third spot. With Fred bringing up the rear. I don’t see how this waiting in the weeds strategy is working for Fred. Really, the NH indies should be his kind of supporters.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Fred to media: “I owe you nothing.”

wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 11:55 AM

“What did I think about the last clip, with all of the candidates on the stage? How civilized most of our society really is. They’re all competing with one another, many with completely opposite ideals, and none of them tried to blow each other up. And on January 20, 2009, there will be yet another peaceful hand-over of power.

Mud slinging? Yes. Assassinations? No.

amerpundit on January 5, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Well said, sir. May it always be so.

joewm315 on January 5, 2008 at 10:52 PM”

Then there’s the other side that says this is further evidence of an elitist/rigged game. It makes you wonder if they are fighting over 10% with 90 already decided. If Fred didn’t stick around to shake hands with the rest of the Senators then good for him.

pc on January 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM

With the new Rasmussen poll putting McCain and Mitt in a virtual tie, …

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 11:46 AM

NH: American Res. Group 01/04 – 01/05: McCain 39%, Romney 25%
Concord Monitor 01/04 – 01/05: McCain 35%, Romney 29%
CNN/WMUR/UNH 01/04 – 01/05: McCain 33%, Romney 27%
Rasmussen 01/04 – 01/05: McCain 32% Romney 30%

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM

csdeven
There is civil, he did shake hands in the receiving line, and pandering, he didn’t hug or fawn all over any of the other people on the stage. I don’t want my president hugging the Prime Minister of any country or whispering sweet nothings into the ears of anybody he happens to be holding a meeting with.

LakeRuins on January 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Hmmmm. It will be interesting to see what the poll numbers do after the debate. With Mitt at 30 and McCain at 32 (pre-debate)

Fred to media: “I owe you nothing.”
wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Waaaaaa! The kids wont stay off the lawn! (and where is my prune juice!?) J/K

Look, just go back and listen to that again. Fred complains that the media didn’t ask him about his plans, and yet here is Lester Holt asking him and Fred says “I owe you nothing”. Now honestly, doesn’t that strike you as counterproductive rhetoric for the sake of being confrontational? His wife took the same tone with Bill O on his radio show the other day. It doesn’t help win over people. It resonates with you guys, but as we can see, you guys aren’t enough to keep him in the race. IMO, he should be trying to appeal to a broader group of folks.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM

the NH indies should be his kind of supporters.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 11:46 AM

What are his kind of supporters?

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Just saw McCain on Russert. Same ‘ol, same ‘ol “not amnesty” speech from last June. Nothing has changed. But I do agree with him. His plan is NOT amnesty, because it does include a minor fine. But his plan is WORSE – it rewards illegal border crossers with the prize they came here to steal in the first place – residency and a “pathway to citizenship.”

How is that different from bribing a BP agent $3000 to enter our country and become a citizen??

McCain – thanks for your service and sacrifice, but 70 to 80% of American voters rejected your plan last Summer. And your HAVEN’T learned a thing!

fred5678 on January 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM

CNN/WMUR/UNH 01/04 – 01/05: McCain 33%, Romney 27%

This is not a reliable poll….half taken before Iowa and the other half after.

The point is that they are virtually tied and I can’t wait to see a poll for after this debate. (or after both)

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Hillary to Rudy….close your eyes and repeat after me. Super Tuesday, Super Tuesday, Super Tuesday.

chief on January 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Waaaaaa! The kids wont stay off the lawn! (and where is my prune juice!?) J/K

Look, just go back and listen to that again. Fred complains that the media didn’t ask him about his plans, and yet here is Lester Holt asking him and Fred says “I owe you nothing”. Now honestly, doesn’t that strike you as counterproductive rhetoric for the sake of being confrontational?

w/e.

wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM

I don’t want my president hugging the Prime Minister of any country or whispering sweet nothings into the ears of anybody he happens to be holding a meeting with.

LakeRuins on January 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM

That’s a little overboard don’t you think? Fred, as president has to work with everyone of those people to get his domestic policies enacted. There is no way to compare them to a terrorist supporting nation.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:20 PM

w/e.

wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM

w/e = Whatever?

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:20 PM

What are his kind of supporters?

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Intelligent free thinking and independent of what the MSM says.

Did you watch closely the “I owe you nothing” video? How does that help him? I think the NH voters want him to follow through. He complained and was given the chance to clarify his position and instead he got all grumpy.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM

So the Sunday morning MSM return the compliment:

Fred to media: “I owe you nothing.”wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 11:55 AM

With all of his vast personal fortune and “executive experience” finessing POSTURE (his favorite word this Sun. am), Mitt could not hold his own against his own party’s candidates. Mitt’s entire campaign strategy rests upon his (personal+sect) financing war chest AND his cohabit-existence in MSM pro-hype (that in turn reflects what Mitt buys, not necessarily what people buy, but what the MSM sells). Imagine what a flop the GOP would end up with, Mitt who as the GOP ticket would have NO MSM SUPPORT, no favors no matter his pay-off promises.

It will take time to get last night’s FactCheck.org tally, but Fred’s message did not vary from the initial GOP debate wherein EVERYTHING FRED SAID CHECKED TO BE TRUE.

Go Fred!

maverick muse on January 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Intelligent free thinking and independent of what the MSM says.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM

And pro-war conservative. These independents are going to McCain right now who looks like he will win in NH. There is really no reason for them to switch to Fred.

The anti-war independents will vote for Obama

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 12:29 PM

There is really no reason for them to switch to Fred.
bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Fred is a small government federalist and is very good on taxes. He does have McCain/Feingold hanging on his neck, but so does McCain. IMO, I think Fred is a much better fit for them. Obviously I’m wrong though.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM

Fred is a small government federalist and is very good on taxes. He does have McCain/Feingold hanging on his neck, but so does McCain. IMO, I think Fred is a much better fit for them. Obviously I’m wrong though.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM

But unless there is a hugh swing in the next 24 hours, they have no reason to throw their votes away on a candidate polling last.

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Oh yeah, I agree with you there.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 12:49 PM

After that debate how in the world could any of you NOT vote for Fred Thompson blows my mind. He is by far the best candidate and the best conservative.

It will be a sad day when Thompson will have to leave the race. We will lose the White House because conservatives are not smart enough to stay with their principles.

msipes on January 6, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Why in goodness name is it good that Fred refused to be civil?

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 11:46 AM

He didn’t refuse. He was there, he just stayed out of the camera’s lens, whether intentionally or not, I don’t know. He was in the back.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2008 at 1:06 PM

He didn’t refuse. He was there, he just stayed out of the camera’s lens, whether intentionally or not, I don’t know. He was in the back.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2008 at 1:06 PM

He seemed quite civil. His interaction with Obamination looked pretty friendly. But I think he has a “silly Democrap rule” he didn’t want to violate.

wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 1:08 PM

After that debate how in the world could any of you NOT vote for Fred Thompson blows my mind. He is by far the best candidate and the best conservative.

It will be a sad day when Thompson will have to leave the race. We will lose the White House because conservatives are not smart enough to stay with their principles.

msipes on January 6, 2008 at 12:58 PM

No, Fred’s impact on this race is a win win regardless of whether he wins of not. I am a Fredhead, but I also like all of the other republican candidates. What Fred has done is to shift the republican party back towards the conservative values that are its roots. In this respect Fred is having an impact that goes far beyond his candidacy. His and Mitt’s sledge hammer blows against amnesty last night are going to leave some very serious bruises on Rudy and McCain. You don’t take hits like that and ignore them.

doriangrey on January 6, 2008 at 1:09 PM

I am a Fredhead, but I also like all of the other republican candidates

Heads explode everywhere.

wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM

bnelson44 @12:29 [McCain] There is really no reason for them to switch to Fred.

Illegal immigrant complications make their way everywhere. McCain’s anti-serum is contaminated and NH is not immune.

maverick muse on January 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM

Just saw McCain on Russert. Same ‘ol, same ‘ol “not amnesty” speech from last June. Nothing has changed. But I do agree with him. His plan is NOT amnesty, because it does include a minor fine bribe.

fred5678 on January 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM

FIFY.

Darksean on January 6, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Caption for pic #4

“No matter who wins we still get to steal tax payer money right?”

Benaiah on January 6, 2008 at 1:30 PM

bnelson @12:41 But unless there is a hugh swing in the next 24 hours, they have no reason to throw their votes away on a candidate polling last.

That is a most tiresome mantra. Ask Huckabee’s camp about the likelihood of a previous last place poll candidate winning the throw away vote to first place in Iowa. The biggest war chest mantra didn’t hold water in Iowa, either.

Given real-time exposure of Huckabee’s inability to stick with facts, the differential population factor around the nation will as likely turn to Fred as McCain. McCain, with all of his name recognition, is losing steam to Thompson on the debate floor face to face and pundit to pundit. That McCain has his footing in NH is comforting so far as displacing Huck’s illusion as the frontrunner. But when all is said and all the records are proof-read for factual accuracy, Fred leads.

NewHampshire and the NorthEast Coast population in general pride themselves as being sophisticated; we shall see how well they measure up. If Independents are such very independent thinkers/voters, then poll place is not the REASON for casting one’s OWN vote. If independents are merely undecided wishy washy thinkers/voters, then your point is clear.

Thank God we’re not limited to choosing who’s on first.

(Laurel&Hardy need to moderate/narrate a debate)

maverick muse on January 6, 2008 at 1:35 PM

maverick muse on January 6, 2008 at 1:35 PM

“Who’s on first” was Abott and Costello. That being said, L & H would do better than some of the moderators we’ve seen so far, particularly the school marm.

P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM

1/5/08 DEMO moral of the story:

The same talk that is cheap gets the job done.

Keep your eye on the young image; you are getting very tired. With YOUR blank check/brain/vote, buy change of course with no compass, no map, no experience, no goal other than lower tasks, raise taxes.

maverick muse on January 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM

P. James Moriarty on January 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM

You are so right. Thanks!

maverick muse on January 6, 2008 at 1:47 PM

#1
Silky: gimme a little sugar baby

#2
Pants suit: I’ll swallow your soul! I’ll swallow your soul! I’ll swallow your soul!
Rudy: Swallow this.

#3
Silky: No time for the ol’ in-out, love. I’ve just come to read the meter!

#4
Pants suit: You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

#5

Richardson: What do you mean there isn’t a soviet union?
Paul: Oh excuse me I thought you were my blimp

Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Mitt and Obama are the two classiest people on that stage.

See-Dubya, you’re captions are hilarious.

Buy Danish on January 5, 2008 at 11:36 PM

And the most presidential! Thompson not far behind…

DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Appears the OPEN BORDERS ZEALOTS are trying to destroy the Republican Party. Will voters go along with it??

DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Just think…if Republicans make OPEN BORDERS ZEALOTS, McCain, The Huckster, or Giuliani, their nominee, Obama will show these sneering little bitches until they get only 25% of the vote. This could be worse than Goldwater or Mondale results…

DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 2:29 PM

McCain picking up endorsements in Mich:

Detroit News: “The Detroit News Endorses McCain”
“[W]e believe Arizona Sen. John McCain is the candidate who is best qualified to lead the nation. … McCain’s longtime presidential ambitions are at last aligned with the needs of the nation.” ”

Detroit Free Press: Sen. McCain Would Make Strongest GOP Nominee

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Detroit Free Press: Sen. McCain Would Make Strongest GOP Nominee

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Good Luck!!

DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Associated Press:

Romney did not help himself at one point, giving his opponents fodder to criticize him over the health care plan he signed into law as governor; it required residents to get health insurance. “I like mandates. The mandates work,” Romney said. Thompson did a double-take: “I beg your pardon? I didn’t know you were going to admit that. You like mandates.”

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM

McCain and Huck making eyes
at each other during their school girl attacks on Romney.

If I was Romney Id focus on the fact that Huck an McCain cant defend their own issues and wont let Romney defend his, and their behavior last night proves it. Huck and McCain are wahines as they looked at each other after they make their sissy remarks.

Huck and McCain showed their true selves last night. They have the class of bratty school girls.

Huck and McCain’s strategy- attack-attack-attack-deny-deny-deny, smile-smile-smile-look at each other to see if the other is laughing.

DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 2:53 PM

bnelson44,

It’s YOUR party. Mine (Democratic), has already made it clear to me that “there’s no longer any room in the New Direction Democratic Party for people like me”. I’m a Moderate Democrat. Good Luck!

DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 2:58 PM

I don’t see how this waiting in the weeds strategy is working for Fred. Really, the NH indies should be his kind of supporters.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 11:46 AM

I believe he is simply waiting for two of the three among Mitt/Huckabee/McCain to drop out after they fight amongst one another and then come South Carolina and Super Tuesday, that leaves voters a choice of Rudy/Fred/(whoever is left of Mitt/McCain/Huckabee).

That’s just my guess. With the Republican voter base completely lacking in any kind of coherent message of what they want to vote for beyond “not a Democrat”, he may be just sitting to the side while the Republican base runs back and forth, back and forth between CINO to CINO to CINO, with the blowing of the political winds and polling and debates and news articles and attack ads.

Maybe the ’slow and steady wins the race’ method.

Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Pic #3

Hillary: This is what hell smells like! *breathes*

McCain: Its so evil…

Bad Candy on January 6, 2008 at 3:02 PM

#4 Hillary: Feel my warm left tit up against you, John, and tell me again how you don’t want to be VP under me in a national unity government!?

#5 Tweedledum & Tweedledumber

drunyan8315 on January 6, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Romney did not help himself at one point, giving his opponents fodder to criticize him over the health care plan he signed into law as governor; it required residents to get health insurance. “I like mandates. The mandates work,” Romney said. Thompson did a double-take: “I beg your pardon? I didn’t know you were going to admit that. You like mandates.”

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM

I was hoping to see that in the highlights.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Huck and McCain’s strategy- attack-attack-attack-deny-deny-deny, smile-smile-smile-look at each other to see if the other is laughing.

DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Mitt has been spending millions of dollars on attack ads in recent days. He can afford to and I don’t deny that he has every right to. If Mitt fans prefer to use a PC term like “difference-adds”, or whatever they’re calling them, it doesn’t matter to me.

But to pretend that Mitt’s difference-adds are OK because they point out legitimate flaws in his opponents records but then turn around and deny the other candidates the same right to point out Mitt’s flaws during the debate is unreasonable, IMO.

Mitt’s record is every bit as deserving of scrutiny by the other candidates as their candidates have been scrutinized by Mitt. The debates help level the playing field and allow the other candidates that don’t have as deep of pockets as Mitt to get their hits in as well.

McCain’s joke about Mitt being the candidate of “change” was fair game, IMO, even if in somewhat bad taste, but where McCain really went over the line is when he attacked Mitt for truthfully revealing McCain’s support of amnesty. McCain can lie all he wants and pretend he didn’t support amnesty, but when he then projects his lie outward and unjustly attacked Mitt, I thought that was a low-blow unbecoming of a presidential candidate.

It wasn’t as offensive to me as McCain’s amnesty-attack against Mitt, but I had to laugh at the irony when flip-flopper Huckabee made his, “which position?” remark, alluding to Mitt’s flip-floppery.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Verus amicus amore more ore re cognoscitur
- – Virgilius

A true friend becomes known in love, disposition, speeches and deeds.

Entelechy on January 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM

…he may be just sitting to the side while the Republican base runs back and forth, back and forth between CINO to CINO to CINO, with the blowing of the political winds and polling and debates and news articles and attack ads.

Maybe the ’slow and steady wins the race’ method.

Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 2:59 PM

To expand on this, if you think about it in general labeling terms, we have:

Mitt is being painted as the flip-flopper
McCain is being painted as the Amnesty candidate and the anti-Conservative candidate
Huckabee is being painted as the Christian candidate who is supposed to appeal to Christian conservatives… until they find out about his actual record, then things may change.

So if Fred can sit back and let the other candidates attack one another and eliminate each other, that leaves Fred and Rudy to duke it out come South Carolina and Super Tuesday.

That’s a great strategy for both Rudy and Fred I think… allowing the other candidates to take each other out and leave Fred and Rudy as the last men standing.

And consider this. I don’t know how old Rudy is, but imagine a Thompson/Giuliani ticket. Giuliani wouldn’t really affect any of Thompson’s conservative agenda as President, but he would be a great spokesman about The Long War and the economy, as Cheney has served to be for President Bush.

Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 3:31 PM

#3 {banjo music playing in the back ground}

silky : I’m gonna make you squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee!

Huckster:Weee!

silky: Weeeeeeee!

Huckster:Weee!

Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Romney did not help himself at one point, giving his opponents fodder to criticize him over the health care plan he signed into law as governor; it required residents to get health insurance. “I like mandates. The mandates work,” Romney said. Thompson did a double-take: “I beg your pardon? I didn’t know you were going to admit that. You like mandates.”

bnelson44 on January 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM

See, I disagree with this. Fred thinks that “mandate” is a bad word just in and of itself and tried to play on that. He doesn’t understand (or doesn’t care) how the mandate works in the system.

We didn’t get to socialized medicine overnight and we aren’t going to back out of it overnight. Instead of people walking into hospitals getting free care at a huge expense to the taxpayers, the state uses that money to help move people toward the free market system.

So yes, mandates are good IN THAT PROGRAM, and Fred acting like they aren’t was either disingenuous or he simply just doesn’t understand the complexities of the program.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM

FloatingRock on January 6, 2008 at 1:06 PM

I was responding to this that I took to mean that Fred was being cranky and refusing to be civil. Perhaps I was wrong, but it seemed that is what he meant.

You do not see Fred hugging, engaged in conversations with the opponents, or presenting any kind of chance for a photo op like all the other candidates did.

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Michael in MI on January 6, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I understood your point and it seems logical. Fred has admitted he is almost broke and the other candidates are not going to cruise into SC because they don’t feel Fred is a threat. Romney will be in until at least Super Tuesday and will be spending tons of cash in SC. Huck will go for broke and McCain has to make a run at it. Can Fred compete with that kind of money being spread around especially when he has lost every single state up to then?

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 4:52 PM

csdeven on January 6, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Yes I think he can, Rudy might take cal, Mclame has no chance in hell of getting cal the cal GOP knows he is a rhino. But with all the southern states coming up on Super Tuesday I think he can peal those voters away from the open boarder shill huckaboo. Especially ok ga and ar that all have placed new laws cracking down on illegals.
I think we might actually get to the convention with out any clear winner .

Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Notice that Fred isn’t shown in the hug fest. He’s the smart one.

Aggie85 on January 5, 2008 at 9:58 PM

I noticed this also. I think it just shows how much he is not a part of the “establishment” that he is not cavorting with and gladhanding the enemy.

He opposes them and what they are doing, and has come to the realization that you can’t be half way intelligent and not know that these people are traitors.

The other RINO’s on the stage are able to gladhand the enemy because they are part and parcel with them.

samuelrylander on January 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Arizona Republic 10-3-99
“In recent years, he’s become a champion of campaign-finance reform. More than a decade ago, he took free trips to the Bahamas with savings and loan tycoon Charles Keating. He continues to take big money from interests before his committees.”

“He’s amassed a rogues’ gallery of troublemaking former pals – Keating, Gary Hart, John Tower, Fife Symington, Duke Tully – who hardly square with his ambitions as a reformer.”

“He prides himself on his personal integrity yet admits he wasn’t faithful to his first wife, Carol, who was injured in a horrific car accident while McCain was in Vietnam.”

“While at the Naval Academy, McCain let some subjects slide, spending his time reading history and literature and, of course, howling at the moon. He graduated fifth from the bottom of his class.”

DfDeportation on January 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM

#3 {banjo music playing in the back ground}

silky : I’m gonna make you squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee!

Huckster:Weee!

silky: Weeeeeeee!

Huckster:Weee!

Mojack420 on January 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM

ROTFL!

sanantonian on January 6, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Wow, that video has or even pulled. I smell a conspiracy!

TheSitRep on January 6, 2008 at 9:57 PM

FRED THOMPSON IS THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE OF ALL CANDIDATES. HIS BREVITY IN ALL STATEMENTS WELL OUTWEIGHS HIS OPPONENTS. AND ‘GRAVITAS’….DID WE MENTION THAT. NH MAY FEEL SNUBBED, HOWEVER, THEY ARE A TINY STATE. S.C. IS AROUND THE CORNER AND FRED WILL BE MUCH MORE APPRECIATED AT THAT POINT. RIGHT NOW IT’S JUST THE PUNDITS AND THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

geminicontender on January 7, 2008 at 10:30 AM

geminicontender on January 7, 2008 at 10:30 AM

No one reads comments that are all cap locked or all bold. Just for future reference.

csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM

Photo 1: “Will you appear on Dancing with the Stars with me next season?”

Photo 2: sHill to Giuliani: “Womanizing @$$wipe”
Giuliani to sHill: “Cold-hearted B*tch”

Photo 3: “Well, it feels like a boy to me, Huck. When are you due?”

Photo 4: sHill to McCain: “I’ll have you my pretty, and your little friend, too!”

Photo 5: “Ron! Dude! You are so awesomely awesome that your awesomeness can’t be described. But don’t tell Fred I said that. I’d hate to see him gut you where you stand. You know, ‘kill the messenger’ and all that…”

jedijson on January 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM

the whole “whats the definition of amnesty” thing is SO last year. ug…………

Drunk Report on January 7, 2008 at 3:05 PM

He seemed quite civil. His interaction with Obamination looked pretty friendly. But I think he has a “silly Democrap rule” he didn’t want to violate.

wccawa on January 6, 2008 at 1:08 PM

I agree. When they first came out he was all smiles. At 0:15 he’s extending his hand to Richardson. Behind him was Hillary, and I assume he did likewise with her. At 0:27 you can see him in the background manuevering himself either toward Obama or away from Ron Paul. At 0:35 he’s heading looking eager to shake someone’s hand. At 00:45, he’s chatting with Obama. Then later, 1:00, he’s just standing and staring over everyone’s head. By the end 1:32, I dont see him on stage. I do notice he was fine in the back row. Not one did he try to step in the front for the crowd to better see him like Hillary and Rudy did.

AverageJoe on January 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM

That first clip reminds me of a seasoned professor trying to get his students to go through the necessary thought process to get to the point and acknowledge the error of their ways. Brilliant!

jerrytbg on January 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Fred’s appearance on Bill O was good in many respects, but showed exactly why he isn’t, and wont ever, garner much more support than he has now.

He talked the talk, but he acted like he really wasn’t interested in it. Of course, when he was able to get snarkyt, he pepped up a bit. I don’t remember exactly what he said, but I did get that impression.

csdeven on January 7, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Oookay.

The way I see it, Huck didn’t say with finality that he doesn’t support the surge, he said that he’s not sure – IF the Guard and Reserves don’t have the ability to handle it.

I mean, I realize some people here aren’t fans of Huckabee, but come on. If ya wanna bash him at least bash him for stuff that isn’t contrived and senseless.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=2

Ryan Gandy on January 7, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Oh, and actually true to boot.

Ryan Gandy on January 7, 2008 at 10:36 PM

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