The conservative’s primary nightmare scenario
posted at 9:57 pm on January 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
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If Romney wins New Hampshire and then Huck beats him in Michigan.
Think about it. If McCain beats Mitt in NH, Michigan won’t matter terribly much to anyone except Romney. He’ll have to have it to remain viable. If he takes it, it’s good news for Fred: That’ll give Mitt, Huck, and Maverick one primary each headed into South Carolina with no strong momentum for anyone. If McCain surprises and takes it, he’ll have won two states in a row and will be surging hugely. If Huck takes it, McCain’s not badly hurt since his numbers in the state are in single digits and no one’s counting on him to win, the New Hampshire bounce notwithstanding. He’d go on to SC and beat the war drum to try to stop Huck there.
Mitt’s actually leading in Michigan, though, so another Huckabee surprise — on the Romney family’s front lawn, as it were — would be crushing, especially if it followed a Mitt win in New Hampshire. It’d be taken as proof that Romney can’t beat him where the two are competitive, even coming off a bounce. Having at that point defeated Romney twice, Huck would not only have huge momentum among social cons, he’d finally look serious enough to pick up a few key evangelical endorsements (Dobson’s maybe) and then go to South Carolina expecting to leverage the state’s evangelical base and finish off Mitt and Fred. It’s not far-fetched; he already leads there. If he pulls it off, it’s on to Florida with nothing in his way except Giuliani. He’s within seven points in that state as of this writing, and that doesn’t take into account his Iowa win.
Starting next week, the hard calculations will have to do with who should drop out and when. If McCain loses New Hampshire, he might follow Fred’s lead and try to linger on to South Carolina out of pride. Romney has the money to linger on until Big Tuesday on February 5. The more of them that stick around to split votes among themselves, the better positioned Huck is. For instance, if the nightmare scenario holds, you’ll have Mitt and Fred and possibly even McCain competing for social con votes in SC on the 19th. How do the 60% of anti-Huckabee conservatives break there? 15%, maybe, for Maverick’s stalwart war support, 15% for Fred’s true conservatism, and 15% for Mitt after having been inundated with so many Romney ads that they’ve given up resisting. The other 40% go to Huck. As such, you should think very carefully about whether Fred (or Mitt or McCain) staying in is a good move, whatever sentimental inclinations you may have to the contrary. The time to pick a consensus anti-Huck candidate could arrive as early as the evening of the 15th, when the Michigan results come in. Choose wisely.
Exit question: Unless Huck fails to win another primary before Florida, isn’t the other big winner last night Giuliani? There’s going to be a SECOND LOOK AT RUDY! in a major way if Huckamania rolls into late January. Expect to see lots of terror talk from him over the next three weeks to try to unite the anti-Huck conservatives under the banner of keeping a guy who wants to apply the golden rule to Iran far, far away from the levers of power.
Update: The counterargument, I guess, is that conservatives would much rather take their chances in South Carolina with a well funded Romney than with McCain, even if Mitt were to suffer two meaningful losses to Huckabee before then. I think the media afterglow for McCain following a win in New Hampshire would be worth more than the ads Mitt would have to run to undo media gloom following a loss to Huck in Michigan, but I can see it the other way. The long and short of it is that if Huck wins South Carolina then Rudy becomes the conservatives’ last stand no matter who wins New Hampshire.
Update: Barring the sort of three-way split among the early primaries that I described in above, the only way for Fred to win SC is in a two-man race, where the various parts of the “true conservative” base might coalesce behind him. Otherwise they get split off — if Huck’s still in it, some of the evangelicals go to Huck and if Mitt’s still in it some of the social cons are wooed by his advertising. There’s no scenario at this point in which a two-man race happens, though. The only guy who could have knocked everyone else out before SC was Romney, and even if he had, do you really think Fred was going to beat Moneybags coming off two or three primary wins?
Update: Reader Land Johnston notes that McCain may not be nearly as far behind in Michigan as thought. In one (sketchy) poll from December, with Democrats and independents included, he actually led. I think the fact remains, though, that he could walk away from a Michigan loss much more easily than Romney could, not only because of the family pedigree there but because Romney’s led in the state for so long that the only possible narrative coming out would be crash and burn. McCain’s narrative would be late surge that fell just a little short.
Update: Kerry Howley says Huckabee’s doomed on February 5 come what may. Not enough money or organization to compete with the big boys — which was supposedly also why Mitt was going to win Iowa, as I recall. Under the nightmare scenario, McCain and Fred will be long gone by Big Tuesday and Romney will have been hobbled by a string of primary losses (unless he surprises in Florida). Is Rudy’s ground game really that good? And are there really so few evangelicals in the Big Tuesday states to matter?
If Huckabee takes Iowa and does well in South Carolina, a scenario that seems increasingly plausible, he’ll have to wage a campaign built on something more than personal charisma and O’Reilly appearances. The other candidates have anticipated this moment, building organizations in states that will matter beyond January. Huckabee has not. He’ll be a little-known candidate with a shoestring budget relying on dated grassroots political strategy as an air war rages between better-funded candidates.
It’s a recipe for failure.
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No one wants to play?
OK…
Wyoming: 14 Republican delegates
New Hampshire: 12 Republican delegates
wccawa on January 4, 2008 at 11:24 PM
We need proportional representation in Congress. Everybody votes their conscience for one of several parties, and then the parties form coalitions around the issues they are concerned about.
Politicians would be free to say exactly what they stand for the there would be no more double-speak to appeal to all people at once (or to the great, uncommitted, ill-informed moderates).
Nosferightu on January 4, 2008 at 11:25 PM
That is a most fascinating theory. Please expound.
wccawa on January 4, 2008 at 11:25 PM
True. Educating my evangelical friends is like water dripping on a stone because they. Don’t. Want. To. Hear. It. about Huckamessiah. I should have been more clear – I meant that they are mistaking Huck for Someone Else.
Dobson’s gloating because he thinks he’s one-up on the far left and because he thinks this cements his political power, but if they get their way, he’s not going to like it one bit.
Laura on January 4, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Momentum isn’t about delegates. It’s about popularity and the perception that the candidate is electable. Fred has to have momentum in order to salvage anything in SC. By that time he will have zero wins, and only very weak showings under his belt. Many, many people will have written him off by then. The guy is barely holding on now and you want him to just write everything off until SC?
Ergo my comment to you that Rudy and Mitt don’t have to attack Fred to break his campaign because Fred has done that all by his lonesome.
OH, and BTW, Wyoming has lost half of it’s delegates because they violated party rules and moved their primary up.
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 11:34 PM
So the question is how many of them are there. We shall see.
the former Arkansas governor yesterday set a surprisingly modest goal for his supporters: $1 million by Jan. 10…As of midafternoon, the campaign had received more than $350,000,
Spirit of 1776 on January 4, 2008 at 11:35 PM
That’s not his only claim to fame in fairness. He really cleaned up NYC years before 9/11.
Plus he did SNL and dress in drag. That’s certainly a noteworthy claim to fame!
krabbas on January 4, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Considering that evangelicals were the key factor in Ohio in 2004 you may have found something you are in violent agreement with Democrats about. Must have been something they ate the last couple of years…
Bradky on January 4, 2008 at 11:42 PM
You are correct. Wyoming went from 28 to 14.
Pretty much the same as New Hampshire going from 24 to 12. Same rules.
It kinda sounds like a football game, doesn’t it? Wyoming: 14, New Hampshire: 12.
Kinda makes you wonder why anyone would spend time in New England.
wccawa on January 4, 2008 at 11:43 PM
I thought we could vote for Chuck Norris?
tlynch001 on January 4, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Because the media tells us to?
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 11:45 PM
My 11:45 was a response to this.
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 11:45 PM
One thing I heard tonight on the Factor that I had not thought about before. Bill O was talking on his radio show to Jerri and asking her why Fred would not come on the show. That he had been trying to book him for some time.
I thought to myself, how stupid! Fred should be knocking down the doors to get on that show! The most watched show on cable TV. Millions and millions of viewers that are probably about 95% republican voters!
That just don’t make any sense.
conservnut on January 4, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Huckabee / Norris in 08!
krabbas on January 4, 2008 at 11:51 PM
The Gipper must be shedding some tears right now from up above.
Seriously, is this was the Republican Party has become, where these scenarios can actually happen, that a candidate like Mike Huckabee can win the Republican nomination? I can’t think of much more profoundly disturbing and depressing thing than that.
Patriot33 on January 4, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Honestly, CS, I think we could get along just fine in a non-cyber world.
Look, the Mormon temple weighs heavy on western Wyoming. To beat back Romney there is useless.
The Front Range? Not so much.
It would have cost Fred a few hundred bucks and a few hours to do a stopover in Casper. For those of you not familiar with Wyoming, that’s the “money town.” Energy development rules there.
Cheyenne is, and always has been, an afterthought. Sure, it’s the capital, but most Wyoming folk look on it with disdain.
It’s a blown opportunity.
New Hampshire has 12 Republican delegates.
Wyoming has 14 Republican delegates.
This is a lost opportunity, unless the dreaded Cheney/Rove/Halliburton machine is hard at work!!!1!!!1!!
Just my two cents worth.
wccawa on January 4, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Ok, Huckabee was under estimated in Iowa and walked away with a victory. Now I predicted the Huckaboom would not materialize, that in fact he would get a Hawkaboom!
A) How can anyone say “little known candidate” when he has won the first contest? B) voters want that personal contact and ads help the stations more than the candidate, just as Romney. PS The MittSter spent $1 million at just one radio station alone in Des Moines. Working for a radio station, I am hoping it’s a contested primary by the time it gets to Texas!
Watch out for this scenario:
New Hampshire is won by McCain, about 10 pts more than Romney and a surprising Huckasurge gets him to within 3 pts of Mitt.
Michigan goes to Huckabee, but it’s tight between him, Romney, McCain, and Giuliani. Check out Rasmussen’s latest poll in the Wolverine State.
South Carolina is a repeat of Iowa, where Huckabee scores another decisive win and Thompson shocks Romney for second place.
With that kind of momentum, Florida again goes for Huckabee and Rudy comes in second, Romney Third, McCain Fourth, and Thompson fifth.
So, after Florida:
Huckabee: Iowa, Michigan, South Carolina, Florida
McCain: New Hampshire
Romney: ZERO WINS, 3 seconds, 2 thirds.
Rudy: LOSES FLORIDA
Thompson: can’t carry a second from SC to Fl and drops out.
I’ll either be prophetic or eating crow?
Dhornertx on January 4, 2008 at 11:58 PM
As someone earlier wrote on either this blog or another blog “The only thing we (Republicans) are going to be running after January 2009 is our mouths.” Dobson is going to have a rude awakening next November.
Hilts on January 5, 2008 at 12:01 AM
How nice of you to leave yourself open like that!
I have only two questions: what are you smoking, and may I have some of that?
wccawa on January 5, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Do you really think Bill would let him get a word in? I don’t think he would do well on Bills show, he doesn’t like being rushed.
Gianni on January 5, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Yikes. I hope you are eating crow…
krabbas on January 5, 2008 at 12:04 AM
By the way, tomorrow is my birthday. I would like a pleasant Wyoming caucus to make me feel much less older than I am. IN FACT, I DEMAND IT!
And I want NO lip from anyone.
PS: I share the same birthday as Walter Mondale (1928). But to offset that horror, I also share the same date with Zebulon Pike (1779).
wccawa on January 5, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Riiiiight.
Now there’s the most unsarcastic comment of the day.
Whew!
I don’t think I could ever be that serious….
“I think I am going to be announcing next week that I’m announcing the approximate time when I am announcing that I’m officially running.”
Aw.. I just hated to rub salt in the wound, Fredheads…. but.. that was just’a goodnight kiss.
If only…. it would’ve been Fred’s original idea to run and not somebody else to push him..
If only….
Goodnight.
Mcguyver on January 5, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Does anyone else notice that the GOP has gone from trying to nominate the “anti-Hillary” candidate to now trying to nominate the anti-Huckabee candidate? So much for the GOP standing FOR something.
Michael in MI on January 5, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Really when you look at is Huck isn’t any more a CINO than Rudy or Mitt and then there’s McCain, the Democrats choice for Republican nomination. I’ve got a feeling that there’s a lot of money pouring into Huck’s campaign right now and I’m thinking that we’re going to be seeing his poll numbers change pretty drastically. The Democrats are terrified of Huck, they’re already attacking him because they know he’ll grab a bunch of their minority voters as well as their moderate suburban go to church on Sunday folks. What the Democrats and a lot of Republicans don’t realize is that attacking Huckabee as a Christian fundamentalist or extremist only pushes more Christians to support Huckabee by linking the defense of their religion to the candidate. One more “separation of church and state” comment and I might find myself voting for him too.
Huckabee has plenty of stuff he can be attacked on but religion isn’t one of them.
Buzzy on January 5, 2008 at 12:19 AM
I’m a Christian and would probably be labeled an “evangelical” and “social conservative” and even I attack Mike Huckabee based on religion. I believe he uses God, Jesus and Christianity as a political weapon and that disgusts me.
Michael in MI on January 5, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Buzzy, Dude?? Democrats terrified of Huck? Who do you think is pouring in all that money? It’s Democrats!!
lan astaslem on January 5, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Fred is making some money tonight. So far $110K at http://www.fred08.com
bnelson44 on January 5, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Exactly. The Democrats and the leftists in the media have been propping up Mike Huckabee, because they are salivating over having an actual Bible-Thumping social conservative on the GOP ticket. They will maul him in the general by framing it as a race of Obama or Hillary against a Bible-Thumper who wants to impose Christianity on the nation. If people thought “Anybody But Bush” was inspiring to the Left, “Anybody But the Bible Thumper” will be even moreso.
Michael in MI on January 5, 2008 at 12:40 AM
That’s excellent news. Hopefully conservatives will stop being anti-Hillary and anti-Huck and start getting back to being FOR conservatism and then look to Fred Thompson again. The fact that people are even discussing considering John McCain is completely disheartening, considering his awful record the last 7 years.
Michael in MI on January 5, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Pat Robertson? Is that you?
Laura on January 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Laura on January 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Laura – Just wanted to say that this post you have up is absolutely excellent in deconstructing why Mike Huckabee is winning based on charm and rhetoric, instead of on policy. And why his support is coming from people who are very ignorant about him. Great job.
Michael in MI on January 5, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Look who’s a Fredhead:
From the donor list at opensecrets.org.
Thompson, Fred
MANNING, PEYTON W MR
CLEVELAND,OH 44114
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS/PROFESSIONAL ATH
6/26/2007
$2,300
Tennessee boys stick together, I guess. If only he’d give an endorsement…
joewm315 on January 5, 2008 at 1:49 AM
I got that from a commenter at Fred08.com, btw
joewm315 on January 5, 2008 at 1:50 AM
The top priority of American evangelicals should obviously be – which of the candidates would make the best commander in chief to lead the free world in the ongoing war with Islamic jihad?
Judging by their support for Huckabee, that obviously isn’t their top priority.
Halley on January 5, 2008 at 2:34 AM
I’m a Christian and would probably be labeled an “evangelical” and “social conservative” and even I attack Mike Huckabee based on religion. I believe he uses God, Jesus and Christianity as a political weapon and that disgusts me.
Michael in MI on January 5, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Well, no need to worry. You won’t be seeing him after next week…The Huckster and the Iowa evangelicals are going to be raptured and we’ll all be stuck with the “creepy Mormon guy”…you know…the devil’s brother.
DfDeportation on January 5, 2008 at 3:09 AM
Mike Huckabee is worse than Jim Baker, he’s a shyster preacher and on top of that is a tax-and-spend politician.
It’s almost as if he’s got the entire GOP in Gyana, and he’s mixing up the Kool-Aid as we speak.
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 5:24 AM
Hucklebilly is a very scary person. I am ready to finally vote third party if the GOP keeps pushing wackjobs.
saved on January 5, 2008 at 7:17 AM
Could not agree more.
doufree on January 5, 2008 at 7:17 AM
If Huck wins the primary and then gets crushed in the general, whatever leftist who becomes president will spend four years marginalizing the Evangelicals with legislation they loath. And the Evangelicals will have no one to blame but themselves.
GogglesPisano on January 5, 2008 at 7:31 AM
The Democrats are terrified of Huck,
Not only are the demofascists not afraid of him but I guarantee the clintons have enough dirt on him that not only will he be done half way through the campaign but there will be talk of justice department investigations.
peacenprosperity on January 5, 2008 at 7:41 AM
I think I would get with Ron Paul over Mike Huckabee any day, and that’s saying something.
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 7:46 AM
At least if Ron Paul gets elected, it will be legal to roll up a big fatty and forget that the end of the world is near.
TheSitRep on January 5, 2008 at 7:49 AM
That Kerry Howley piece went to press before Iowa results came in. She said Huck’s win there was “increasingly plausible.” Which is faaaar from the actual blowout he achieved. She may need to reconsider her analysis.
Cuffy Meigs on January 5, 2008 at 8:11 AM
When I told everyone that she was gonna be on I had not heard it yet. I didn’t get to see it until his rerun at 9pm. Even though I am not a fan of Fred, I was very disappointed in that exchange with Bill. It seemed unnecessarily snarky and obfuscatory. Instead of giving Fred’s positions, she complained about the goofy questions. (questions all the candidates get, but they ignore, or give them lip service, them and move on)
I was very surprised and I don’t want you guys to think that was a set up. I really didn’t expect that from her.
csdeven on January 5, 2008 at 8:14 AM
Michael in MI on January 5, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Thanks. :-) I was thinking of it as a good link repository, if nothing else. I’m sure I’m going to keep coming back to it over the next few months as I “evangelize” to my Huckolyte friends.
Laura on January 5, 2008 at 8:16 AM
Hey Laura, I loved the link to your blog comments on Mike Huckabee.
Here is the situation in my evangelical corner of Florida. Fredheads may want to skip this post.
Several Campus Crusade for Christ employees (missionaries, really) live in my neighborhood. We also have several families who are part of a very conservative Puerto Rican evangelical Protestant sect. They stand out during Halloween by prohibiting their kids from participating and posting “No Candy” in both English and Spanish on their doors. The pastor of an independent Bible-based community church lives a few doors down. I work for an engineering firm, but my wife teaches at our church preschool. We attend a conservative mega-church which is nominally Methodist, although it is patterned after Willow Creek and downplays any overt denominational identity (which is why it’s a megachurch IMHO).
Get the picture? This is as red-state evangelical as a neighborhood gets.
Over the spring and summer, all the neighborhood excitement was about Fred. Would he run? How AWESOME would it be if he ran!
Then he announced, and did … nothing. The excitement turned into disappointment.
And I have now noticed Huckabee signs popping up on lawns. Conversations that begin with topics about football or the kid’s scout pack end in, “Hey, did you see Huck won Iowa!” in excited tones.
Laura and I (and most of you) have the same position on Huckabee’s suitability for Commander in Chief. So I will begin an uphill battle to try to educate my neighbors.
But right now I’m projecting Huckabee to either win Florida or come in second.
Anton on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 AM
Thank you. That was very informative and interesting, and more than I get from the “news.”
JiangxiDad on January 5, 2008 at 8:43 AM
Good heavens. Another “it must be true I read it on the internet type”.
See how those labels and mischaracterizations work pardner?
Bradky on January 5, 2008 at 8:50 AM
Nope. Don’t get it. Must be a “moderate” thing, pardner. Good luck with your guy–Barry O.
JiangxiDad on January 5, 2008 at 9:01 AM
I hear the same kind of thing here in VA… evangelical Christians (I wish we could just say ‘Christians’, but it seems to have gotten to the point where that’s not specific enough) that are frustrated by the apparent lack of Fredmentum and are now excited about Huckabee. If you listen to the guy, he’s astonishingly convincing that he’s not a tax-raiser, that he’s pro-gun, that he’s prepared to defend this country against jihad, etc… I hope that Fred somehow finds some traction, but Mike is resonating and people are buying his message over his record.
MT on January 5, 2008 at 9:04 AM
Let’s dispel this myth once and for all.
Imagine that the Conservative Coalition is a table with five legs. Each leg is a group within the tent: the Social Cons, the Fiscal Cons, the Foreign Policy Cons, the Law and Order Cons, and the Small Government Cons. Sure there’s some overlap, but go with it for now.
Now, most people can see that if (insert candidate) is nominated, he will saw off one or more of those table legs. The question now is who will saw off a leg or two, but still leave the table standing?
If Mitt takes the nomination, he might saw off the Social leg (Mormon/Abortions) and/or the Small Government leg (Health Care). If McCain gets the win, he saws off the Fiscal leg (Bush Tax cuts) and the Law and Order leg (Immigration). If Rudy gets the win, he saws off the Social leg (abortion, gay marriage), and some amount of the Law and Order leg (gun-grabbing and plummeting crime balance in some manner).
If Huckabee gets the win, he preserves the Social leg… and he saws off the Fiscal leg (taxes and spending), the Foreign Policy leg (let’s hug Iran like it’s Thanksgiving dinner), the Law and Order leg (let’s free 1300 criminals who “found Jesus”), and the Small Government leg (Let’s ban smoking, for the children).
For every candidate besides Huck, we at least have a table that can stand. Huck saws off every leg but one.
Lehosh on January 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM
That’s a keeper!
JiangxiDad on January 5, 2008 at 9:27 AM
I live in North Florida, solidly conservative. You can’t drive a quarter mile without seeing a church and the parking lots are full on Sunday mornings. I don’t see hardly any huckster signs around here. I see Romney, McCain and Rudy signs and the paulnuts have plastered stickers everywhere (We have two universities, one smaller college and two community colleges with multiple branches, I expect most of the paulnuts are college kids. I don’t feel to worried about them because they are closer to Reagan conservatism then they are to carter insanity.). In political conversations before this week huckster almost never came up and since iowa only in amazement at how irrelevant iowa should be considered.
peacenprosperity on January 5, 2008 at 9:27 AM
Hey, what about Fred?
JiangxiDad on January 5, 2008 at 9:29 AM
I don’t know if Fred saws off any of the legs really, but that isn’t Fred’s problem these days… The same is true for Duncan Hunter and Newt Gingrich, who are in no danger of being elected.
Lehosh on January 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM
That’s so different than Anton’s N. Florida take. Would you mind saying where in N. Florida you are?
JiangxiDad on January 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM
And by the way, my county has overwhelming voted Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush. Sounds like Anton on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 AM lives in South Florida and the identity politics going on may be hispanic influenced and not evangelical. They may be backing the huckster for his insane immigration opinions.
peacenprosperity on January 5, 2008 at 9:31 AM
I’ve read several articles recently about the drift left of these mega churches (no offense intended, Anton) I think it is highly possible that members of these churches who are loyal, devout members and good people, could be subtly manuevered leftward by moral relativist preachers. The link to Laura’s website on one of these posts is interesting and gives some insight. The joel ostein/rick warner school of evangelicalism is closer to the church of england moral relativism stuff then to strict catholicism/lutherism/traditional southern baptist.
peacenprosperity on January 5, 2008 at 9:38 AM
I believe you for this reason….
Fred is not a Jesus candidate like Huck is. He did not, does not pander to a specific group. He speaks conservatism only. These same folks who were really excited about Fred and his conservative positions, have now moved over to a guy who is the antithesis of that? AND the SOB is LYING to them about his record as governor?!
What is the connection? IMO it’s the likability factor. Fred’s likable and so is Huck. Fred became less than likable by making the mistake of speaking seriously about conservative issues after he announced.
This coming from Christians. Christians who have been admonished through scripture to avoid “familiar spirits”. Well, this likability stuff is the epitome of “familiar spirits”.
I don’t want to minimize the abortion issue. But IMO, that issue is the one they use to justify being beguiled by Huck’s familiar spirit. But is he really that pro-life? Didn’t he take money from the stem cell lobby? How is that any different than what other candidates have done?
So, the evangelicals that are voting for Huck are serious misguided and cannot be considered true conservatives. Their vetting process boils down to abortion and likability. I think they are easily manipulated by someone who knows what makes them tick.
BUT, there is hope. Less than half of the evangelicals voted for Huck. That means the rest split between Mitt, McCain, and Fred. One of these guys needs to pull that majority together to vote for one of them. If that candidate can do that, the Huckabubble will burst and he will go back to where ever he came from.
csdeven on January 5, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Awesome!
csdeven on January 5, 2008 at 9:50 AM
Fred has to convince people he doesn’t know what a saw is.
csdeven on January 5, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Well done, but in my opinion Huck is going to convincingly (and successfully) overcome most, if not all, of those issues with many, many GOP voters. He’s got insanely strong verbal kung-fu.
MT on January 5, 2008 at 9:55 AM
I’m in Central Florida, in the middle of the “I-4 Corridor” (named after the local interstate) that was considered a crucial swing district during the last Presidential election.
I’m glad to see North Florida hasn’t gone wild over Huckabee. I’m actually a little surprised, but happy.
Anton on January 5, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Nope, Central Florida. But I thought about the Hispanic reaction and decided I don’t know enough to post about it. My local Puerto Rican neighbors (the very-conservative Protestants) are very atypical of South Florida types. My neighbors hate the illegals and really resent being confused with Mexicans, since Puerto Ricans are native-born Americans, even if raised a Spanish-speaking territory (I imagine folks from Guam think of themselves as native-born Americans as well).
Anton on January 5, 2008 at 10:05 AM
That makes it a little clearer. There are alot of snowbird retirees form the north and transplanted families from the north who came to take advantage of the boom. A high percentage of those people are from industrial, traditionally democrat states. I think you still have the Naval Air Station there but the military presence isn’t as strong as it is up here. Although we have corrine brown (cynthias mckinney’s evil stepmother) this is a solidly conservative area.
peacenprosperity on January 5, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Conservatives do have a problem here in Florida overall. The state party has given us crist and martinez, two rinos in the worse way. I gaurantee that the demofascists are planning a similar stunt in Florida in 2008 as in 2000 if the opportunity arises. They know it will work this time because crist will not only let it happen, he will help them.
peacenprosperity on January 5, 2008 at 10:26 AM
My 401K can’t take this crap.Get behind Romney now! or sumpin.
pc on January 5, 2008 at 12:02 PM
You get Jeb Bush and Rick Perry falling over each other to help Romney in order to be considered for VP and he can win. Either of these guys can help repair the damage to the hispanic relationship. Need hispanics to cancel out black voters some how some way.
pc on January 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Huckabee doesn’t just saw off the legs of the table. He crashes right through it as if the Dudley Boyz just powerbombed him on it.
krabbas on January 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM
I think Jeb Bush is smart enough to realize that his last name has no chance of appearing on the ballot.
krabbas on January 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Shouldn’t expect Hispanics to favor a woman or black American or a strong male candidate that speaks to them. This is the best opening the Repubs have to steal this thing.
pc on January 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM
or should read over a strong male candidate (and VP candidate).
pc on January 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM
The bad news is if the dems figure this out and counter with a VP of say Richardson, it could over early.
pc on January 5, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Bill Richardson always makes me think of Horatio Sanz.
krabbas on January 5, 2008 at 12:24 PM
peacenprosperity,
I like to hear this about Florida and hopefully other states as well.
The Huckaboom and the ignorance surrounding it is very sickening.
The silver lining though is real conservatism is being more and more clarified.
And as such a real conservative president elect is inevitable in ‘08 because of the great hunger for such.
Mcguyver on January 5, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Lehosh on January 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM
That was excellent. Oh, and the Thanksgiving dinner crack? The visual for that struck me so funny I nearly choked on my coffee.
Laura on January 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM
I am just thinking. Is this country about to elect a Socialist? If we do I am just going to retire and live on the dole. We all should. It’s either that or be a slave to the welfare class. If Obama is elected then I say we all just move to Section 8 housing and learn to sell crack.
ronsfi on January 5, 2008 at 5:53 PM
The only true conservatives in this…..
Thomson and Hunter
everone else is fluff….
Why is this not a nobrainer. (retor)
jerrytbg on January 8, 2008 at 9:55 PM
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