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	<title>Comments on: New doubts raised about Lancet&#8217;s Iraq death toll study</title>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Surprise: George Soros funded the Lancet study</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/04/new-doubts-raised-about-lancets-iraq-death-toll-study/comment-page-1/#comment-877778</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Surprise: George Soros funded the Lancet study</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other day Allahpundit asked &#8220;Who benefits?&#8221; when news emerged that new doubts were being raised about the Lancet study. Now we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: QuickRob &#187; Blog Archive &#187; QuickRob - Enabling Political Self-Help</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuickRob &#187; Blog Archive &#187; QuickRob - Enabling Political Self-Help</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hot Air is always on top of this stuff. SoCalPundit takes note. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zorro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zorro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A case study in bad science.</description>
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		<title>By: SoulGlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoulGlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew the Lancent Study was garbage from day one.  The only people who take the Lancent Study seriously are the nutroots.  According to icasualties.org, 40,004 Iraqi Civilians have been killed since the start of the war.  40,004 is still a lot, but it&#039;s far less than the numbers many liberals would like you too believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew the Lancent Study was garbage from day one.  The only people who take the Lancent Study seriously are the nutroots.  According to icasualties.org, 40,004 Iraqi Civilians have been killed since the start of the war.  40,004 is still a lot, but it&#8217;s far less than the numbers many liberals would like you too believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Seixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There’s this bizarre mythology that the “scientific community” is somehow less prone to corruption or idiocy than any other community, and it just ain’t so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In fact, a Norwegian scientist and a South Korean scientist have been busted for falsifying data and creating fraudulent research reports over the past few years. Their work was also peer reviewed. It doesn&#039;t help that they&#039;re peer reviewed because peer review most often does not uncover fraudulent data. They rely on good faith and the previous credibility of the scientist who conducted the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There’s this bizarre mythology that the “scientific community” is somehow less prone to corruption or idiocy than any other community, and it just ain’t so.</p></blockquote>
<p>In fact, a Norwegian scientist and a South Korean scientist have been busted for falsifying data and creating fraudulent research reports over the past few years. Their work was also peer reviewed. It doesn&#8217;t help that they&#8217;re peer reviewed because peer review most often does not uncover fraudulent data. They rely on good faith and the previous credibility of the scientist who conducted the work.</p>
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		<title>By: Seixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrSteve,

The methodology in the 2006 study was more sound than the 2004 study, where they used unproven assumptions to cut corners - ones that I intend to prove invalidate the entire study (2004 edition). Read the assumptions used to pair clusters in the 2004 study. I have a fundamental understanding of statistics, and that methodology only flies if the underlying assumptions being made are correct. But there was no evidence provided, other than &quot;belief&quot;, that the assumptions being used were valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrSteve,</p>
<p>The methodology in the 2006 study was more sound than the 2004 study, where they used unproven assumptions to cut corners &#8211; ones that I intend to prove invalidate the entire study (2004 edition). Read the assumptions used to pair clusters in the 2004 study. I have a fundamental understanding of statistics, and that methodology only flies if the underlying assumptions being made are correct. But there was no evidence provided, other than &#8220;belief&#8221;, that the assumptions being used were valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Merovign</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merovign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s this bizarre mythology that the &quot;scientific community&quot; is somehow less prone to corruption or idiocy than any other community, and it just ain&#039;t so. There are just as many liars, frauds, and creeps among scientists as there are among plumbers, and a brief review of science news over the last few years will give good indications of that.

Numberwatch.co.uk, (enter, number of the month, start reading).

That site focuses mainly on Britain, but that&#039;s just a primer.

The peer review system is officially broken, in the sense that it isn&#039;t even remotely doing what it&#039;s supposed to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s this bizarre mythology that the &#8220;scientific community&#8221; is somehow less prone to corruption or idiocy than any other community, and it just ain&#8217;t so. There are just as many liars, frauds, and creeps among scientists as there are among plumbers, and a brief review of science news over the last few years will give good indications of that.</p>
<p>Numberwatch.co.uk, (enter, number of the month, start reading).</p>
<p>That site focuses mainly on Britain, but that&#8217;s just a primer.</p>
<p>The peer review system is officially broken, in the sense that it isn&#8217;t even remotely doing what it&#8217;s supposed to do.</p>
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		<title>By: DrSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How much rewiew could there be if they aren’t allowing this information to be released?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s peer review, and there&#039;s peer review.  When I do studies for the Feds, I have to give them everything they need to take the raw data, process it, and analyze it themselves (using my code) if they want to.  In my code I nest sampling commands in other processing steps so that the lists of sampled elements are used immediately and aren&#039;t left lying about for possible messing-around-with.  I try to eliminate any opportunity for anyone to question my methods.

I also forgot to add:  The irony of the conditions the authors placed on the &quot;release&quot; of data last year -- including a no-critics-need-apply rule -- is so rich you need a wide-open insulin drip to read them:
http://www.jhsph.edu/refugee/research/iraq/

No. 1 is my personal favorite.  Roberts&#039; own views are illegitimate subjects for conversation, but woe be to any on-the-record skeptic who wants to see the numbers (such as they are).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How much rewiew could there be if they aren’t allowing this information to be released?</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s peer review, and there&#8217;s peer review.  When I do studies for the Feds, I have to give them everything they need to take the raw data, process it, and analyze it themselves (using my code) if they want to.  In my code I nest sampling commands in other processing steps so that the lists of sampled elements are used immediately and aren&#8217;t left lying about for possible messing-around-with.  I try to eliminate any opportunity for anyone to question my methods.</p>
<p>I also forgot to add:  The irony of the conditions the authors placed on the &#8220;release&#8221; of data last year &#8212; including a no-critics-need-apply rule &#8212; is so rich you need a wide-open insulin drip to read them:<br />
<a href="http://www.jhsph.edu/refugee/research/iraq/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jhsph.edu/refugee/research/iraq/</a></p>
<p>No. 1 is my personal favorite.  Roberts&#8217; own views are illegitimate subjects for conversation, but woe be to any on-the-record skeptic who wants to see the numbers (such as they are).</p>
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		<title>By: TallDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>TallDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I argued this extensively way back when the first study was released.  The huge confidence interval alone was enough to dismiss the study as meaningless (and recent analysis shows including Fallujah made it so large the srudy could not even say with 90% confidence that more than ZERO people had died as a result of the war), but there are some serious new nuggets here.

--- Lafta, who did the actual survey work, was also employed by the Hussein regime to puff up some numbers to make the sanctions look bad.  Remember, this was the regime that employed Baghdad &quot;American troops are not in the city!&quot; Bob.  Lafta tellingly refuses to talk about his methods.

--- The Sadr City data, where 12 of the 20 households surveyed improbably have exactly 1 death each from a car boming that struck a market used by tens of thousands, is almost certainly fraudulent.

--- The Nineveh &quot;heaping&quot; problem indicates fraud was probably perpetrated throughout the data.

--- A car bomb that happened after the surveying was supposedly over was also included, again indicating pervasive fraud.
 
This is about as discredited as a survey can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I argued this extensively way back when the first study was released.  The huge confidence interval alone was enough to dismiss the study as meaningless (and recent analysis shows including Fallujah made it so large the srudy could not even say with 90% confidence that more than ZERO people had died as a result of the war), but there are some serious new nuggets here.</p>
<p>&#8212; Lafta, who did the actual survey work, was also employed by the Hussein regime to puff up some numbers to make the sanctions look bad.  Remember, this was the regime that employed Baghdad &#8220;American troops are not in the city!&#8221; Bob.  Lafta tellingly refuses to talk about his methods.</p>
<p>&#8212; The Sadr City data, where 12 of the 20 households surveyed improbably have exactly 1 death each from a car boming that struck a market used by tens of thousands, is almost certainly fraudulent.</p>
<p>&#8212; The Nineveh &#8220;heaping&#8221; problem indicates fraud was probably perpetrated throughout the data.</p>
<p>&#8212; A car bomb that happened after the surveying was supposedly over was also included, again indicating pervasive fraud.</p>
<p>This is about as discredited as a survey can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mazztek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazztek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to refer you to a Tech Central Station article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=120707B &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thoughts from a Lancet Skeptic&lt;/a&gt; where they had an article and discussion on the Lancet study.  

The comments are very telling.  I&#039;m the same Mazztek in them as well.

I quote myself here, in response to a libturd who takes the Lancet as gospel: 
&lt;blockquote&gt; 	The Lancet reports are a GUESS. Bases on an EXTRAPOLATION.

If I were to trust anyone, let&#039;s go with Iraq Body Count. They actually COUNT THE BODIES, and provide the proof, that being morgue reports and news reports. As of 10 Dec 2007: 78,141 – 85,128. May Allah rest their souls.

What is really beyond belief is your &quot;Bush Derangement Syndrome.&quot; It&#039;s gone beyond hatred of Bush, and on to America itself. You believe we are evil, and can do no Right. A smear and a lie against America is taken as total truth, blindly so. At least 10 scientists and hundreds of bloggers have said the Lancet is lying, and demanded proof of their findings. The Lancet refuses to provide it. The &quot;world&#039;s premier medical journal&quot; got into the political arena, and came up lacking, refusing to defend itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to refer you to a Tech Central Station article, <a href="http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=120707B " rel="nofollow">Thoughts from a Lancet Skeptic</a> where they had an article and discussion on the Lancet study.  </p>
<p>The comments are very telling.  I&#8217;m the same Mazztek in them as well.</p>
<p>I quote myself here, in response to a libturd who takes the Lancet as gospel: </p>
<blockquote><p> 	The Lancet reports are a GUESS. Bases on an EXTRAPOLATION.</p>
<p>If I were to trust anyone, let&#8217;s go with Iraq Body Count. They actually COUNT THE BODIES, and provide the proof, that being morgue reports and news reports. As of 10 Dec 2007: 78,141 – 85,128. May Allah rest their souls.</p>
<p>What is really beyond belief is your &#8220;Bush Derangement Syndrome.&#8221; It&#8217;s gone beyond hatred of Bush, and on to America itself. You believe we are evil, and can do no Right. A smear and a lie against America is taken as total truth, blindly so. At least 10 scientists and hundreds of bloggers have said the Lancet is lying, and demanded proof of their findings. The Lancet refuses to provide it. The &#8220;world&#8217;s premier medical journal&#8221; got into the political arena, and came up lacking, refusing to defend itself.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: gabriel sutherland</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many people defend The Lancet study by saying its been peer reviewed. How much rewiew could there be if they aren’t allowing this information to be released?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is why the Lancet ultimately must shoulder the blame.  It wasn&#039;t peer reviewed.  It went right to press without being peer reviewed on whimsical statements that the very lives of the researchers depended on its publication?

The Lancet took a ridiculous study and put it on the map.  It was never reviewed by any peers.

Oh yeah, and George Soros funded the study and it&#039;s not like he hasn&#039;t expressed interest in manufacturing controversy to support his political objectives.

Recall, George Soros, despite being Jewish, was invited to Saudi Arabia(Jeddah) of all places to give a speech advocating the Euro become the petro dollar in order to check the alleged aggression of the United States.  That was in 2005.

Remember, George Soros has no influence whatsoever on the value of currency if you ignore how he made his billions with Jim Rogers in the 70s and that brief, but fruitful, bilking of the Bank of England in the 90s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Many people defend The Lancet study by saying its been peer reviewed. How much rewiew could there be if they aren’t allowing this information to be released?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is why the Lancet ultimately must shoulder the blame.  It wasn&#8217;t peer reviewed.  It went right to press without being peer reviewed on whimsical statements that the very lives of the researchers depended on its publication?</p>
<p>The Lancet took a ridiculous study and put it on the map.  It was never reviewed by any peers.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and George Soros funded the study and it&#8217;s not like he hasn&#8217;t expressed interest in manufacturing controversy to support his political objectives.</p>
<p>Recall, George Soros, despite being Jewish, was invited to Saudi Arabia(Jeddah) of all places to give a speech advocating the Euro become the petro dollar in order to check the alleged aggression of the United States.  That was in 2005.</p>
<p>Remember, George Soros has no influence whatsoever on the value of currency if you ignore how he made his billions with Jim Rogers in the 70s and that brief, but fruitful, bilking of the Bank of England in the 90s.</p>
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		<title>By: Wingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in a suburban city - pop 26k. A little over a year ago a neighbor of mine was murdered by her teenage son (allegedly) and stuffed in a freezer. It was the first murder here in about 4 years. However, if you were to use Lancet&#039;s survey methods you would likely get an annual death toll in the thousands because everybody here heard about it. 

If a car bomb killed the grocer who sold the best pomegranates in the arab world, everyone who went out of their way to get their pomegranates from him would know about it and the statistical &quot;death toll&quot; would skew upward dramatically as a result. 

In summary - DUH!

I tried to explain this once on Kos and it got me banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in a suburban city &#8211; pop 26k. A little over a year ago a neighbor of mine was murdered by her teenage son (allegedly) and stuffed in a freezer. It was the first murder here in about 4 years. However, if you were to use Lancet&#8217;s survey methods you would likely get an annual death toll in the thousands because everybody here heard about it. </p>
<p>If a car bomb killed the grocer who sold the best pomegranates in the arab world, everyone who went out of their way to get their pomegranates from him would know about it and the statistical &#8220;death toll&#8221; would skew upward dramatically as a result. </p>
<p>In summary &#8211; DUH!</p>
<p>I tried to explain this once on Kos and it got me banned.</p>
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		<title>By: BohicaTwentyTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>BohicaTwentyTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why not share the data and programs

DrSteve on January 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Many people defend The Lancet study by saying its been peer reviewed. How much rewiew could there be if they aren&#039;t allowing this information to be released?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why not share the data and programs</p>
<p>DrSteve on January 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Many people defend The Lancet study by saying its been peer reviewed. How much rewiew could there be if they aren&#8217;t allowing this information to be released?</p>
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		<title>By: N. O'Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>N. O'Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Reminds me of a quote from Seinfeld:

    George: “Remember, Jerry…it’s not a lie, if you believe it.”

CP on January 4, 2008 at 11:01 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&#039;And it&#039;s NOT the truth if I don&#039;t believe it!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Reminds me of a quote from Seinfeld:</p>
<p>    George: “Remember, Jerry…it’s not a lie, if you believe it.”</p>
<p>CP on January 4, 2008 at 11:01 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8216;And it&#8217;s NOT the truth if I don&#8217;t believe it!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: tomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many people that report killed.  Things like this only made the situation worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many people that report killed.  Things like this only made the situation worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;About Lancet’s Iraq death toll study...&lt;/strong&gt;


Flawed or lies?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>About Lancet’s Iraq death toll study&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Flawed or lies?</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DrSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked Burnham to see the data as soon as the thing was published (I live less than an hour from Hopkins) and he politely refused, although he did quickly clarify some other questions I asked (e.g. one would get the impression that since they didn&#039;t take any personal information outside the households the teams didn&#039;t cross-reference death certificate information across households, which might lead to double-counting of multiply claimed persons, although they claimed a protocol to deal with this).  He wouldn&#039;t share the data processing routines with me at the time either, which I thought was downright odd.  Those are programs, not data.  No privacy/safety issues at stake.

I&#039;m an econometrician -- and the cluster sampling methodology, at least as described in the paper, is a valid method.  Let&#039;s not knock sampling theory or we&#039;re going to have Tim Lambert&#039;s people over here saying we&#039;ve declared war on Mathematics or something.

The main issues are (1) why not share the data and programs,  (2) did the use of old population data for the districts skew results (as BR suggested it might), and (3) was the field data collection work actually conducted as described -- was the protocol adhered to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked Burnham to see the data as soon as the thing was published (I live less than an hour from Hopkins) and he politely refused, although he did quickly clarify some other questions I asked (e.g. one would get the impression that since they didn&#8217;t take any personal information outside the households the teams didn&#8217;t cross-reference death certificate information across households, which might lead to double-counting of multiply claimed persons, although they claimed a protocol to deal with this).  He wouldn&#8217;t share the data processing routines with me at the time either, which I thought was downright odd.  Those are programs, not data.  No privacy/safety issues at stake.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an econometrician &#8212; and the cluster sampling methodology, at least as described in the paper, is a valid method.  Let&#8217;s not knock sampling theory or we&#8217;re going to have Tim Lambert&#8217;s people over here saying we&#8217;ve declared war on Mathematics or something.</p>
<p>The main issues are (1) why not share the data and programs,  (2) did the use of old population data for the districts skew results (as BR suggested it might), and (3) was the field data collection work actually conducted as described &#8212; was the protocol adhered to?</p>
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		<title>By: mjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hit a bunny once with my car.  By the &quot;science&quot; of this survey, I&#039;ve killed 400,000 bunnies and 3,000 ducks.  As well as a wooly mammoth, which is sort of weird.  But the science proves that I did it so I must have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hit a bunny once with my car.  By the &#8220;science&#8221; of this survey, I&#8217;ve killed 400,000 bunnies and 3,000 ducks.  As well as a wooly mammoth, which is sort of weird.  But the science proves that I did it so I must have.</p>
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		<title>By: Seixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I get the time, I will most likely be able to debunk the 2004 Lancet mortality study this year. Quite simple really - using the UNDP&#039;s 2004 data from their Iraq Living Conditions Survey, I will show that the pairings of Iraq&#039;s regions were based on a false assumption. The data for the survey was collected and analyzed by an organization here in Norway called FAFO. All I have to do is get a hold of the data, and I&#039;ve already been communicating with those who have it.

The main guy behind the ILCS survey from FAFO has often criticized Les Roberts&#039; Lancet study, that it greatly exaggerates the death numbers and is a generally poor study methodically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I get the time, I will most likely be able to debunk the 2004 Lancet mortality study this year. Quite simple really &#8211; using the UNDP&#8217;s 2004 data from their Iraq Living Conditions Survey, I will show that the pairings of Iraq&#8217;s regions were based on a false assumption. The data for the survey was collected and analyzed by an organization here in Norway called FAFO. All I have to do is get a hold of the data, and I&#8217;ve already been communicating with those who have it.</p>
<p>The main guy behind the ILCS survey from FAFO has often criticized Les Roberts&#8217; Lancet study, that it greatly exaggerates the death numbers and is a generally poor study methodically.</p>
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		<title>By: CP</title>
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		<dc:creator>CP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a quote from Seinfeld:

&lt;blockquote&gt;George: &quot;Remember, Jerry...it&#039;s not a lie, if you believe it.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a quote from Seinfeld:</p>
<blockquote><p>George: &#8220;Remember, Jerry&#8230;it&#8217;s not a lie, if you believe it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bigfoot</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/04/new-doubts-raised-about-lancets-iraq-death-toll-study/comment-page-1/#comment-848278</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Roberts already believed that jihadi attacks were, in part, driven by the international image of the United States. &quot;The greatest threat to U.S. national security [is] the image that the United States is a violator of international laws and order and that there is no means other than violence to curb it,&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The jihadis routinely violate international law by dressing as civilians, hiding behind civilians, deliberately targeting civilians, using mosques (&lt;em&gt;i.e.&lt;/em&gt; buildings for religious use) to store weapons, firing from mosques, and torturing their prisoners.  (And I mean &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; torture, much more severe than waterboarding.)  Roberts needs to stop looking at the splinter in the eye of the U.S. and instead notice that giant Sequoia in the eyes of the jihadists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Roberts already believed that jihadi attacks were, in part, driven by the international image of the United States. &#8220;The greatest threat to U.S. national security [is] the image that the United States is a violator of international laws and order and that there is no means other than violence to curb it,&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The jihadis routinely violate international law by dressing as civilians, hiding behind civilians, deliberately targeting civilians, using mosques (<em>i.e.</em> buildings for religious use) to store weapons, firing from mosques, and torturing their prisoners.  (And I mean <em>real</em> torture, much more severe than waterboarding.)  Roberts needs to stop looking at the splinter in the eye of the U.S. and instead notice that giant Sequoia in the eyes of the jihadists.</p>
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		<title>By: BL@KBIRD</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/04/new-doubts-raised-about-lancets-iraq-death-toll-study/comment-page-1/#comment-848277</link>
		<dc:creator>BL@KBIRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little sloppy on the count. It&#039;s 6,000,000 now and thats just the little girls raped with bayonets, their eyes gouged out and eaten (or sent home as earrings to vicious women in the US) who were killed by having their throats torn open by human teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little sloppy on the count. It&#8217;s 6,000,000 now and thats just the little girls raped with bayonets, their eyes gouged out and eaten (or sent home as earrings to vicious women in the US) who were killed by having their throats torn open by human teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: fogw</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/04/new-doubts-raised-about-lancets-iraq-death-toll-study/comment-page-1/#comment-848273</link>
		<dc:creator>fogw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only we could turn things around in Iraq, there might be fewer deaths.

You know, like a surge or something.

What&#039;s that?  Oh, did anyone tell the Democrats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only we could turn things around in Iraq, there might be fewer deaths.</p>
<p>You know, like a surge or something.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that?  Oh, did anyone tell the Democrats?</p>
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		<title>By: TugboatPhil</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/04/new-doubts-raised-about-lancets-iraq-death-toll-study/comment-page-1/#comment-848268</link>
		<dc:creator>TugboatPhil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we please not confuse the issue with facts!</description>
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		<title>By: Hoodlumman</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/04/new-doubts-raised-about-lancets-iraq-death-toll-study/comment-page-1/#comment-848254</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoodlumman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, folks.  According to this &quot;study&quot;, U.S. interdiction in Iraq has led to a death toll higher than the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_lancet_studies_are_completely_fraudulent_you_dont_say/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;combined toll&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; of the conventional and nuclear bombings of Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden and Hamburg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, folks.  According to this &#8220;study&#8221;, U.S. interdiction in Iraq has led to a death toll higher than the <strong><a href="http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_lancet_studies_are_completely_fraudulent_you_dont_say/" rel="nofollow">combined toll</a></strong> of the conventional and nuclear bombings of Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden and Hamburg.</p>
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