If I’ve offended anyone, I apologize.

csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 11:16 AM

Heh, you hardly offended anyone yesterday/today, compared to the past. This is the refined csdeven, and I like you much better now, even on the disagreements :) Just know, buddy, that I felt your pain last night. The Fredheads suffered too, but it must have been hard for you, and it showed. But you’ve shown some learning and humility too, and that’s great. Best regards,

SouthernDem on January 4, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Heh. Probably so.

Iowa: Where do things go from here?

Downhill.

If I’ve offended anyone, I apologize.

csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 11:16 AM

No apology necessary, it’s a volatile subject and easy to be swept into some emotional conclusions.
I believe the Iowans are decent folks who fear the hatered the far left spews at them. Huck came across as a down home decent kind of guy they could trust.

csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 9:21 AM

The only thing sickening and self-righteous was your post.

Did it ever occur to you or anyone else that this might be a little backlash? As an evangelical, I’m sick of a bunch of RINOs telling me to shut up, stuff my moral convictions, and vote the party line! Huckabee appeals to a lot of people with his Christian beliefs. I for one think the greatest battle to come is over the judiciary. And while Huckabee is liberal on a lot of issues, I appreciate his stance on seeking to end the slaughter that has claimed the lives of over 48 million Americans. That’s REAL bloodshed!

Instead of telling the majority of the base that they are irrelevant, it might make more sense to start addressing them.

That aside, I hope that emotions calm down and more people start considering the principles and plans of the candidates. Huckabee is too liberal for me on a lot of other issues, especially immigration.

I would love to see a Thompson/Hunter ticket.

You may be right. I guess being exposed to the bigotry in the evangelical community makes it hard for me to believe that they are separating their feelings toward Mormons from their desire to have a Christian president. When you factor in that Mitt has the same values, Hucks Satan’s brother comment, and these same people polled said Huck doesn’t have the experience to be president, it is even tougher to swallow.
If I’ve offended anyone, I apologize.

I don’t hate Rudy, if he becomes our candidate I will support him 100%.
But I could never truly like having a pro-choice candidate that ran a sanctuary city. I believe there are better choices out there.
Confrontation and fireworks don’t equate to true courage. One must be resolute in his beliefs to lead this nation, not confrontational. G.W. Bush is a great example of resolute strength.
I don’t know what Rudy believes in, I just don’t see him to run that deep.

So far, Rudy is just talk.

leanright on January 4, 2008 at 10:13 AM

I think that is completely wrong and grossly unfair. To say you don’t like what he has done is one thing. To say he has done nothing is ridiculous. He was a wildly successful hard charging dynamic mayor of a dysfunctional out-of-control city. Hate him for his policies/actions, not for his “inaction.”

He will try very very hard to do what he says. There will be confrontation and fireworks galore as he argues incessantly with everyone. Don’t vote for him if you don’t like his policies, but don’t confuse him with somebody who’s all talk.

Huckabee likeable except to you guys, social con, realistic about illegals here but will stop the flow so he’ll do well with Hispanics who are still repubs, Is the most tolerable to Democrats if some just can’t bring themselves to vote for Barack Hussein Obama, consistent, small gov’t, win in Iraq…

CCRWM on January 4, 2008 at 1:05 AM

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a week chock full of stupidity.

Realistic about illegals? And by “realistic” you mean SOFT.
Tolerable to Dems? Yeah, because he’s JUST LIKE THEM. Not to mention a Huckabee nomination guarantees a win for the Dems in November. What’s not to like?!
Consistent??? Do you know anything – AT ALL – about the Huckster’s record? Obviously, NO. How about his record on illegals, for one?! Jeezus H Christ on a pogo stick.
SMALL GOVERNMENT?! What are you smoking? Really. You’re off your rocker. Huckabee is a NANNY-STATER. Go look it up because it’d obvious you don’t know what that is.

Lord above, I can hardly stomach the foolishness. But wait, there’s more…

AprilOrit, you really shouldn’t gloat in public about your staunch support for Huckabee – it’s downright embarrassing. Because to those of us who know Huckabee’s record you look like an ever-lovin’ idiot and I’d feel sorry for you if I weren’t so pissed off by the sheer idiocy of you and every evangelical who shares your delusions.

Yes, but I don’t find Mitt as tough as Rudy when it comes to dropping the F-bomb on Dem’s and the N-Bomb on Jihadis.

JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM

The same could have been said about W., He didn’t come across as tough either, but he is hard as nails when he has to be.
I would prefer have someone more like W. who walks the walk rather than talk the talk. So far, Rudy is just talk.

Having given up on Fred, I’m a Rudy fan, but I’m suspecting a McCain-Huckabee ticket may be in the works.

You could say the same thing about him when comparing him to Rudy, at least as far as I am concerned.
Rudy could never be considered a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
At best, Rudy is only a very poor alternative to a conservative canidate. His only strength comes from a toothy grin as he’s twisting your arm.

leanright on January 4, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Yes, but I don’t find Mitt as tough as Rudy when it comes to dropping the F-bomb on Dem’s and the N-Bomb on Jihadis.

right2bright on January 4, 2008 at 9:51 AM

Mitt came in second in a state that rarely picks a winner. Are you sincerely suggesting he should give up on his campaign and all of the people who have donated time and money because of that?

I read the article, goes to show why Iowa has such a horrible record at picking winners.
Bigotry? I don’t think so, some people are just plain afraid of the direction this country is heading.(for good reason I might add). I believe they are voting for the man they think is most likely to turn it around for them.
Voting out of fear, not bigotry is my take on it. Just a thought.

Where do things go from here?

Cue Guns and Roses.

- The Cat

Rudy is done for, too many negatives, and out of money.

McCain has all of the air time, and no votes.

Ron Paul, is still a joke

Who’s left?

csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Wanting a president who shares your religious beliefs is not bigotry. It’s a stupid way to pick your candidate if it’s the only thing you’re looking for, but it’s not bigotry.

Really that word’s been thrown around to much in regards to Mitt.

Mitt is far more likeable personally, far better spoken, far more organized, far more capable, far more experienced, and far more respected.

JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 8:54 AM

You could say the same thing about him when comparing him to Rudy, at least as far as I am concerned.
Rudy could never be considered a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
At best, Rudy is only a very poor alternative to a conservative canidate. His only strength comes from a toothy grin as he’s twisting your arm.

My take. . . Hillary is toast.

- The Cat

P.S. Well, we all know the truth of it.

Here’s another pespective from a CA conservative:
CCRWM on January 4, 2008 at 1:05 AM

Here’s another from CA – Huck has too much God – that just won’t fly here. This isn’t the state of Reagan anymore (sadly). Rudy or Mitt fit the mode now (closer to the Govenator). It’s a shame that Huck is even in it, because he is transparently a Huckster, Clintonian to the core. I find it revolting.

Anyone but Huck – or that reVOLution jackass.