Iowa: Where do things go from here?
posted at 12:18 am on January 4, 2008 by Bryan
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Dodd out. Biden out. Richardson the gaffe machine is still in, but he’s angling for a VP slot anyway. In the Democrat primary, the most experienced guys mattered the least and Iowa just set that in stone. Democrats, at least in Iowa, do not care about job experience. They just want their vote to make them feel good.
Edwards is running on fumes but not quite done. Hillary is no longer inevitable, and she’s swooning. Obama jumps out to the early lead and congratulations to him for that. His win represents something genuinely new and is the first sign of the end of the Clinton era. Hopefully he’ll get to savor his historic victory for a day or two before the Clinton ex machina tries to mow him down. He’s facing them alone now. The next week or two could go like this for Obambi.
On the GOP side, Huckabee has the win and congratulations to him for that, but he has little organization outside Iowa yet. He will, soon. They’re already putting one together and they do have cash on hand. Everyone else is still in it but Romney took the most damage by far. He spent the most and had the best machine but still took a beating. But he’s not finished. Iowa killed off two Democrats but kept several Republicans alive and Mitt is one of them. New Hampshire allows a little more latitude for contrasty ads and campaigns, so the gloves can come off there in a way that they couldn’t in Iowa. But Huckabee has Ed Rollins to be his attack dog; Romney will have to do his attacking himself. That favors Huckabee. McCain still has a fighting chance, and Rudy is still in it. Fred needs to get going or get out.
It’s not over on either side. Obama and Huckabee are both front runners as well as rabbits now. Everyone is going to try to hunt them down.
And there are debates this weekend, before New Hampshire. Highest of high stakes.
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State-by-State “hung jury” I’m tellin ya.
Mcguyver on January 4, 2008 at 12:21 AM
OMG, I haven’t seen Godzilla meets Bambi since the ’70s. Thanks.
P. James Moriarty on January 4, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Obambi. I approve. Much less caustic than my “O’Rookie”.
RushBaby on January 4, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Hillary prematurely triangulated. She thought she had this wrapped up, and so tried to look moderate. Now she will have to bare her Marxist fangs to win back the left.
pedestrian on January 4, 2008 at 12:27 AM
McCain and Fred will either be revived or DOA after SC. If either are up and Mitt’s still tickin’ Huck is gone. Rudy’s future won’t be clear until the big state primaries he’s waiting on. So we won’t have a real two candidate race until then.
So SC is the first sieve. There we’ll lose 1 or 2. After Super Tues. well lose more and be down to our final choice.
Meanwhile, the Ronulans will continue their meaningless campaign on the lost continent of Pauliworld.
The Ritz on January 4, 2008 at 12:27 AM
sorry what did ya say i was to busy watching Big G squish Bambi god i love that one .
Mojack420 on January 4, 2008 at 12:28 AM
I like the one I heard in the “Dance on Hillary’s Grave” post:
Oprabama.
DrW on January 4, 2008 at 12:28 AM
I had never seen it until now. I also thank you. :::snort:::
baldilocks on January 4, 2008 at 12:29 AM
I just posted this on another thread, but… the head Repub in South Carolina just said this:
Dawson: The South Carolina Republican party’s First-In-The-South presidential primary has grown in significance over time. Since 1980, no candidate has won the Republican nomination for president without winning South Carolina’s Republican primary. We pick presidents.
Assuming that’s true (?), that should get some folks’ attention.
wccawa on January 4, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Rudy is dead meat for sure
I think Romney will be gone unless he can finish really well in New Hampshire
Fred has his chance to make a move
Huckabee spent so much time in Iowa and in a state with a strong evangelical base. Let’s see what he does in a not-so evangelical state like New Hampshire
Defector01 on January 4, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Dead on.
No former trend is going to be true this election cycle.
ABSOLUTELY NONE!
Mcguyver on January 4, 2008 at 12:36 AM
On the plane ride back east, you can bet that Clinton is setting the hounds loose on Obama. As John Smeaton of Glasgow says,”they are goin’ ta set aboot” him.
d1carter on January 4, 2008 at 12:36 AM
I think the real Bambi will be the leading position of the Iowa caucus. All the remaining strength in the Clinton organism will be focused on revenge.
pedestrian on January 4, 2008 at 12:37 AM
I certainly hope my friends and ex-neighbors in NH vote on PRINCIPLE, and shun McCain because of his shamnesty bill. He teamed with the Prince of Darkness Kennedy, insulted me and other patriotic citizens, and went against 70-80% of the voters.
I honor his service, but he has NOT changed his mind on amnesty – he has just deferred it until after a modicum of enforcement. And now with the fence defunded …
fred5678 on January 4, 2008 at 12:38 AM
That was me…thanks! Two weeks from now no one will remember Iowa…I hope?
SouthernGent on January 4, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Bryan,
I gotta disagree with your analysis in this respect. In a very conservative state where Huckabee won, Romney came in second ahead of more socially conservative candidates. That isn’t “damage” until he loses in New Hampshire or someplace he should expect to win. Let’s not forget that Rudy didn’t even bother participate in Iowa.
highhopes on January 4, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Except as comedy material.
Mcguyver on January 4, 2008 at 12:42 AM
I am quite certain you are correct.
RushBaby on January 4, 2008 at 12:42 AM
NH debate…….barn burner. All gloves are off. I expect McCain to Chuck Norris the first man to say ’shamnesty’.
Limerick on January 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM
I say the Republican should start preparing for the 2012 presidential election…because sadly the Dems have all the energy and enthusiasm right now. We can’t even decide who we hate least on the conservative side.
terryannonline on January 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Good, Hucklebee had his big moment, now go away.
Now, let’s push for a national primary and end this nonsense, and millions of dollars of pork that oozes into Iowa.
reaganaut on January 4, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Anyone else notice how preacher-y both frontrunners sound? If you just listen to Obama’s voice and not his words, he sounds just like a Southern Baptist preacher sermonizing to his flock. Interesting.
aero on January 4, 2008 at 12:55 AM
Fred will go participate in the NH debate and then head straight to SC. He has no reason to spend any more time than that in NH.
Gianni on January 4, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Wow, that was positively Churchillian in it’s “never give in” spirit!
major john on January 4, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Here’s another pespective from a CA conservative:
Giuliani too socially liberal and his personal life shameful
Mitt flip flopper (not a real social con) and Mormon
McCain McCain Feingold, Renegade Repub who undermines his own Pres and Illegal Immigration backstabber
Thompson Socially con , experienced in DC , foreign experience, seems conservative but isn’t getting any traction
Huckabee likeable except to you guys, social con, realistic about illegals here but will stop the flow so he’ll do well with Hispanics who are still repubs, Is the most tolerable to Democrats if some just can’t bring themselves to vote for Barack Hussein Obama, consistent, small gov’t, win in Iraq…
CCRWM on January 4, 2008 at 1:05 AM
i’m sorry but i gotta say this
its a damn shame no one takes Duncan Hunter seriously
Defector01 on January 4, 2008 at 1:07 AM
If Huckabee wins New Hampshire, he’s the nominee.
If Romney loses in New Hampshire, he’s out.
Rudy is out – he got 3% and probably spent more time there than McCain and more money than Huckabee. Then you see pictures of him in sunny Florida with his third wife saying – this is the best chance to win. . . yeah retire and become a snowbird and phone in a few TV commercials in the other states.
McCain still has a chance, but he has to win New Hampshire and South Carolina.
Thompson is out.
For the Dems, it is still Hillary to win, but the question is how much do Dems not want her to be president. That’s the ‘x’ factor that I rarely consider because I’ve never heard a Dem say anything negative about her or Bill even though they have had ample opportunity. If Hillary doesn’t win, I still hope we get to see more of KP though. She’s growing on me – even with her unabashed support of the Hillster.
ThackerAgency on January 4, 2008 at 1:08 AM
Without Hillary, maybe go get moms and girls afraid that Barack can’t protect them from jihad, cultural lunacy, and illegal immigrants. He’ll try to bribe them with health care and sex appeal.
CK MacLeod on January 4, 2008 at 1:14 AM
But who would we rather face in the general? Hillary or Obama? Hillary is inevitable and filled with scandal. Obama has a “message of hope”, and I’m betting will be pretty untouchable.
amerpundit on January 4, 2008 at 1:15 AM
inevitable = vulnerable.
Oy. I’m tired.
amerpundit on January 4, 2008 at 1:24 AM
Agreed.
The Politico told me that Fred was already out. Why don’t we have a couple of primaries before everyone starts saying Fred is out.
bigbeas on January 4, 2008 at 1:24 AM
its a damn shame no one takes Duncan Hunter seriously
Agreed.
salmonczar on January 4, 2008 at 1:25 AM
More bad news:
Iowa votes:
Republican total 110,000*
Democrat total 240,000*
* From a quick look here and there. If anyone has better numbers please post.
MB4 on January 4, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Iowa has a habit of picking losers…historically, Iowa does not make much of a big ripple nationwide.
SouthernGent on January 4, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Why Super Tuesday matters
William Amos on January 4, 2008 at 1:27 AM
Fred is fine.
NickTx on January 4, 2008 at 1:28 AM
I don’t expect any of the GOP candidates to drop out before Feb 5, with perhaps the exception of Hunter. They all have enough money, except perhaps Thompson, to last the next few weeks.
If winning is going to be with 34%, even respectable 2nd and 3rd place finishes will give enough delegates to losing candidates to influence the convention. If 66% of the delegates belong to the losers than the nomination is going to be decided by the jury.
These early states could split 5 ways and there won’t be momentum for anyone going into Feb 5. You’ll have whack-a-mole on the leader with the anti-whoever is at the top vote.
I think I also expect Rush to really pile it on Hucakbee, McCain, and Rudy between now and then. If Rush is anywhere as influential as he thinks he is then the nomination will go to Romney or Thompson. And right now Romney has the advantage in the polls and money.
Sebastian on January 4, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Where have you gone, Ronald Reagan?
Conservatives turn their longing eyes to you
(Woo woo woo)
What’s that you say, Misters Huckabee, McCain and Giuliani
‘Mr Conservative’ you have driven far away?
(Hey hey hey – hey hey hey)
MB4 on January 4, 2008 at 1:33 AM
Rommey will finish well in NH.
Having a person that is the governor in the state next door to NH…
Owns a lake house in NH…
Used to live in NH…
I will call it early and say Mitt wins NH.
F15Mech on January 4, 2008 at 1:34 AM
In the past McCain has also done well in NH, so maybe he is a close 2nd, however I will not bet an iPhone on that.
F15Mech on January 4, 2008 at 1:38 AM
from another thread:
Gianni on January 4, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Note to all…
MA is not a state, it is a commonwealth.
F15Mech on January 4, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Geez, where’s the last 15% of the Republican results? It’s been hours and the results are still at about 85%!
aero on January 4, 2008 at 1:55 AM
Huckabee is connecting with people. Take the Mermans, for example. Fred and Ethyl Merman share a one bedroom apartment in tenament housing consisting of mostly mixed race latin marriages.
Huckabee could be this generation’s Nixon. Besides the obvious physical comparisons, he’s an outsider who no doubt possesses a great deal of pugnaciousness due to his ability to speak over the opposition, directly to JoeSixpack. Nixon was a JoeSixpack candidate and that’s exactly what Huckabee’s turning out to be. And the guy who made the predictions above is spot on. If Huckabee speaks over the opposition in NH and wins the doggone thing, he’s the nominee and the modern Nixon. He could be an SOB for the establishment to deal with, just like. And he could be as wrongheaded economically with an old schooler’s desire to control the economy through aggressive policy. Doesn’t work.
pc on January 4, 2008 at 2:02 AM
Never mind. Found the current results. Almost all in now.
aero on January 4, 2008 at 2:04 AM
Let me guess, Michael Jackson, Billy Gene?
FloatingRock on January 4, 2008 at 2:09 AM
I can honestly say that Iowa just Hucked the republican party over good.
William Amos on January 4, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Congrads to Governor Huckabee, my choice and my original candidate, as noted here on HotAir back a few. Good for him!!
Rudy’s done, much to the chagrin of my parental unit. LOL
They were shocked beyond a reasonable doubt, my father really underestimated the Huckster.
AprilOrit on January 4, 2008 at 2:21 AM
Um, you do know he basically wasn’t running in Iowa, right? And that he’s waiting for the bigger states and Super Tuesday? Granted, there is a legitimate argument to made that it will be too late and the momentum will be elsewhere at the time–but to say he’s done because of the Iowa Caucus which he wrote off long ago is absurd. In fact, a case can be made that Huckabee winning here HELPS Rudy tremendously in that it dramatically increases the likelihood of no frontrunner when the bigger states and Super Tuesday come around…
Patriot33 on January 4, 2008 at 2:35 AM
Rudy’s done, he’s toast. This is my prediction, you’ll see.
AprilOrit on January 4, 2008 at 2:48 AM
Angry Old Man
By Quin Hillyer
As truly horrific as it would be for the liberal and unethical Mike Huckabee to win the Republican presidential nomination, many Republicans still believe it would be almost as difficult to stomach the nomination of John McCain.
Huckabee, of course, would utterly destroy the old Reagan coalition, as even his campaign chief Ed Rollins has acknowledged. Huckabee’s bizarre propensity for letting criminals return early to freedom, combined with his utter cluelessness about foreign policy, also means that he would get absolutely crushed by the Democrats in a general election contest.
But McCain’s problems are almost as great, which is why reports of a comeback by the Arizona senator have so many conservatives scratching their heads.
MB4 on January 4, 2008 at 2:48 AM
Then, of course, there is the large and passionate segment of the Republican electorate that wants to get tough against illegal immigration, and they have good reason to consider John McAmnesty to be not just against them but a highly disagreeable archenemy.
And speaking of which, McCain seems almost constitutionally unable to disagree without being disagreeable. When he disagrees with somebody on just about any issue, he gives the sense of being so angry that he is having trouble not jumping out of his own skin to wring the other person’s neck.
MB4 on January 4, 2008 at 2:57 AM
Look for copies of the Hugh Hewitt tome “A Mormon In The White House?” in the green-dot clearance racks at your local Barnes & Noble tomorrow.
Captain Scarlet on January 4, 2008 at 3:10 AM
Screw that. When someone shoots your dog, you don’t compliment them on having good aim.
Though still- seeing Mitt beaten by a much wider margin than expected after spending so many millions in IA does give me evil pleasure.
Hollowpoint on January 4, 2008 at 3:30 AM
What- Obama too conservative for ya?
Hollowpoint on January 4, 2008 at 3:32 AM
Non-Rudy supporters won’t agree, of course, but after tonight, I’d say Rudy is in better shape than ever before. He may emerge as the Anti-Huck.
If Rudy can win Florida, as his strategy calls for him to do, then he’ll be well-positioned going into Super Tuesday. (On Super Tuesday, we’ll hear from states like California and New York –states where Huck’s corn pone routine won’t play as well as it did in Iowa.)
Now if Rudy so much as comes in second in Florida, then I’d agree he’d be done. We’ll have to wait until Jan. 29 to see.
paul006 on January 4, 2008 at 3:50 AM
Rudy will not place in Florida at all, and he is running out of money. My parents are campaigning for him. You guys can believe whatever you want, but you heard it here – straight from Manhattan.
He is near done. McCain is in better shape.
It’s hard to give up the ghost, I get it. But Rudy was never anywhere near the position of exciting the base of the GOP…
AprilOrit on January 4, 2008 at 4:31 AM
Rudy is the GOP’s only chance of winning the general election, and he is the only candidate, besides maybe McCain (who has succumbed to wishy-washyness and expediency on many critical issues in the past), with the guts to lead the country in the terrorists’ War on Us.
How many times, in the last 8 years, have things come down to GWB’s single-minded refusal to cave to the pro-surrender, pro-appeasement camp, even when it would have been the politically easy thing to do? None of the other GOP candidates besides Rudy have the backbone to do the same.
Fellow conservatives, open your eyes: the choice is between Giuliani and Clinton as Commander in Chief for the next four years, folks, and all the wishful thinking in world vis-a-vis Thompson, Romney, McCain, or Hunter isn’t going to change that.
LagunaDave on January 4, 2008 at 5:25 AM
Thoughts on a cold Morning After:
1. Reports of Rudy’s demise are premature. In fact, all the arguments that McCain was one of the winners last nite (mainly that Mitt got stomped) apply equally well to Rudy. If the Admiral becomes the main “anyone but Huck” alternative, Rudy starts to look better and better.
2. Fred! kept himself alive, but he is still on life support. His strategy really is a variant of Rudys: keep your self alive during early non-sympathetic states and hold out for the big kahuna down the road: in Freds case, its South Carolina. Like many here, I want to like Fred… I REALLY DO… but Fred is more of a non-candidate sage than a down-in-the-mud campaigner. And what you gotta be NOW is a down-in-the-mud campaigner.
3. Mitt was gracious in defeat, but it was a defeat. He spent zillions more than any other Repub and got stompted by a Goober Preacher who has redefined the concept “slick man of God.” I think it was the Evangelical backlash against Mitts Mormonism and in favor of Hucks preachy down-homism that beat him. IF he cant rally in NH he looks fairly doomed.
4. Iowa is one F-ed up state. Full of naive, far-far left and evangelical far right goobers who no more deserve to set the tone for a national election than Osama deserves a Humanitarian Award from the B’Nai Brith.
5. I’m glad that Hawkeye crapola is over. Now on to the flinty Granite State lumberjacks.
Always Right on January 4, 2008 at 5:47 AM
Sorry for the double post, but I researched the claim that Rudy “is running out of money” and I think it is bogus. As of the last filing with the FEC, Giuliani had almost twice as much cash on hand ($16.6M) as the next nearest GOP candidate (Romney, with $9.2M). Romney, however, had debts totalling $17.3M, vs. $0.17M in debt for Giuliani.
Given that, unlike the others, Rudy hasn’t been p*ssing his resources away in small states like IA and NH where no actual delegates are stake, I call BS on the claim that Giuliani is running out of money.
LagunaDave on January 4, 2008 at 5:58 AM
Ending up behind Paul is embarrassing, but otherwise things have come out pretty favorably for Rudy.
Huck’s win is good for Rudy, because it prevent’s Mitt’s sweep of the early states and prevents him from obtaining frontrunner status. Fred beating out McCain by a hair for third is also good for Rudy. It prevents Fred from endorsing McCain and denied McCain of momentum going into NH. So, prior to Florida, no one will have won more than two states. No one will have momentum. Rudy can still win in FL. If he does that, he is the nominee.
However, he must finish respectably from here on out — no more falling behind Paul
tommylotto on January 4, 2008 at 6:06 AM
Simon and Garfunkel. “Mrs. Robinson”, 1965. You may have heard the original version in the movie The Graduate (1967), with Dustin Hoffman and Anne Bancroft, directed by Mike Nichols.
cheers
eon
eon on January 4, 2008 at 7:30 AM
I don’t think Romney took that bad a beating last night. Iowa has more…what’s the word the MSM keeps using(?)…”Evangelicals” than a lot of states and Huckabee did come on strong there toward the end.
So, now, it’s on to my native New Hampshire!
Fred got out of NH sometime ago and pulled all his resources. He hasn’t been here since…oh…late September? He will perform abysmally here, for sure.
ConBlog_NH on January 4, 2008 at 7:51 AM
I agree… I like Duncan Hunter.
No matter what you say, Huckabee is SOFT. He is someone who thinks that people should turn to the government in times of need. I’m scared he will be like Bush and say he’s conservative, then spend $$$$ like crazy and pass amnesty (minus the enforcement because he’s too nice of a guy). One positive is the fair tax… but I’m not willing to feed our country a “sissy sandwich” to get one.
BadBrad on January 4, 2008 at 7:55 AM
I agree. NH is deep blue, the bedroom of the Boston Libs. It also has just passed homosexual unions, and sports the homosexual Episcopalian Bishop who is the wedge issue of the entire Anglican Communion. This is like Bizarro world for evangelicals.
Hening on January 4, 2008 at 7:58 AM
Don’t count out Bloomberg’s unbridled ego, hubris, and $ to derail the Dem (or Rudy) in November.
This type of article appears nearly everyday in the NYSUN
JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 8:22 AM
If Huck is the guy for the GOP (or Thompson for that matter), Bloomberg will almost certainly jump in. Not sure what that would do, but I’d guess that would be a good thing for Huck.
Thompson needs divine intervention.
MT on January 4, 2008 at 8:30 AM
January 3, 9:00am nobody knows how the road to the white house will end up.
January 4, 9:00am nobody knows how the road to the white house will end up.
My money, for better or worse is on Mitt in the end game.
Unless he gets stupid and plays gotcha with his opponents.
leanright on January 4, 2008 at 8:46 AM
On the Democratic side, don’t count out Hillary. She’s still the frontrunner, no matter what Iowa said. Obama can’t carry the independent voters with a lose at all costs message.
On the Republican side, don’t expect anyone to drop out before Super Tuesday. Maybe Duncan Hunter, but I don’t think so. I don’t think the Evangelical vote is going to go to Huckabee in the South. Remember, we are heavily Bible Belt here. Having an identity candidate is not new for us. So without that identity thing, we look at principles. And Huck just doesn’t have any conservatism in him at all.
It will be a race in the end of Romney or Thompson against Giuliani, and probably Hillary Clinton.
If it’s Romney or Thompson, we win. If it’s Guiliani, we may win, but conservatism loses. If it’s Hillary or Obama, God help us. We survived one dismally bad president in the White House — Jimmy Carter — so we can do it again if we have to.
Tennman on January 4, 2008 at 8:54 AM
Was thinking the same thing. Kerry nearly won, and although unflattering comparisons are made between patrician Kerry and patrician Mitt, Mitt is far more likeable personally, far better spoken, far more organized, far more capable, far more experienced, and far more respected.
At worst, he’s a much better Kerry. That means he certainly can win in November.
JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 8:54 AM
Oh we could survive the president as an individual. But his/her four Supreme Court Justices, goodness knows how many appellate judges, etc… The justice system is what’s at stake. We’re on the slow road to tyranny already. Rat in the WH puts us on the highway. Rats control both houses of congress too, we’re zooming down it in a rocket propelled VW Peacemobile.
RushBaby on January 4, 2008 at 9:09 AM
Amen.
Ex-tex on January 4, 2008 at 9:10 AM
The demofascists will move quickly on the fairness Doctrine and other campaign “reform”. There will not be a 2012 or any conservative resurgence. They get the White House and congress, kiss this incredible human experiment good bye.
peacenprosperity on January 4, 2008 at 9:13 AM
Yep, here it is. The religious bigotry of the evangelicals on display in all it’s self-righteous glory. Sickening.
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 9:21 AM
I’m not sure who so many people are selling Mitt so short. So, he got second. So he spent a lot of money. According to the NYT he has $70 million raised to date. He could stay to the end even if he didn’t win any state if he wanted to. Those with little money will be the ones to go first pretty much regardless of how they place in the early states.
davenp35 on January 4, 2008 at 9:27 AM
Here’s another from CA – Huck has too much God – that just won’t fly here. This isn’t the state of Reagan anymore (sadly). Rudy or Mitt fit the mode now (closer to the Govenator). It’s a shame that Huck is even in it, because he is transparently a Huckster, Clintonian to the core. I find it revolting.
Anyone but Huck – or that reVOLution jackass.
juanito on January 4, 2008 at 9:29 AM
Juan Williams had a point last night about Obama and Iowa. He made a huge showing in a state that literally is 95% white.
My take. . . Hillary is toast.
- The Cat
P.S. Well, we all know the truth of it.
MirCat on January 4, 2008 at 9:38 AM
JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 8:54 AM
You could say the same thing about him when comparing him to Rudy, at least as far as I am concerned.
Rudy could never be considered a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
At best, Rudy is only a very poor alternative to a conservative canidate. His only strength comes from a toothy grin as he’s twisting your arm.
leanright on January 4, 2008 at 9:39 AM
Wanting a president who shares your religious beliefs is not bigotry. It’s a stupid way to pick your candidate if it’s the only thing you’re looking for, but it’s not bigotry.
Really that word’s been thrown around to much in regards to Mitt.
Esthier on January 4, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Looking at CNNs page, they have the delegate totals for the democrats… and even though obambi got 8% of the vote more than either of his competitors, it’s still only worth 1 delegate. (and bizarrely, hillary still got more delegates than silky)
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on January 4, 2008 at 9:43 AM
I’m hoping and praying that when Huckabee comes to the South, that he’ll run head-on into a brick wall. We’re overrun in the South with ILLEGALS and the MS13 gang.
moonsbreath on January 4, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Mitt is all but done for, he just doesn’t have enough money to buy the votes he needs. If he was a good businessman he would cut his losses and close up shop. That’s what he did with several companies he consulted for…cut your losses and move on.
Huck will not be the nominee, he may win some of the south, but he can’t win Florida, he may be the VP.
Rudy is done for, too many negatives, and out of money.
McCain has all of the air time, and no votes.
Ron Paul, is still a joke
Who’s left?
right2bright on January 4, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Cue Guns and Roses.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 4, 2008 at 9:52 AM
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 9:21 AM
I read the article, goes to show why Iowa has such a horrible record at picking winners.
Bigotry? I don’t think so, some people are just plain afraid of the direction this country is heading.(for good reason I might add). I believe they are voting for the man they think is most likely to turn it around for them.
Voting out of fear, not bigotry is my take on it. Just a thought.
leanright on January 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Mitt came in second in a state that rarely picks a winner. Are you sincerely suggesting he should give up on his campaign and all of the people who have donated time and money because of that?
Esthier on January 4, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Yes, but I don’t find Mitt as tough as Rudy when it comes to dropping the F-bomb on Dem’s and the N-Bomb on Jihadis.
JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM
The Billary-Barak fight will be fun to watch.
Having given up on Fred, I’m a Rudy fan, but I’m suspecting a McCain-Huckabee ticket may be in the works.
petefrt on January 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM
JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM
The same could have been said about W., He didn’t come across as tough either, but he is hard as nails when he has to be.
I would prefer have someone more like W. who walks the walk rather than talk the talk. So far, Rudy is just talk.
leanright on January 4, 2008 at 10:13 AM
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a week chock full of stupidity.
Realistic about illegals? And by “realistic” you mean SOFT.
Tolerable to Dems? Yeah, because he’s JUST LIKE THEM. Not to mention a Huckabee nomination guarantees a win for the Dems in November. What’s not to like?!
Consistent??? Do you know anything – AT ALL – about the Huckster’s record? Obviously, NO. How about his record on illegals, for one?! Jeezus H Christ on a pogo stick.
SMALL GOVERNMENT?! What are you smoking? Really. You’re off your rocker. Huckabee is a NANNY-STATER. Go look it up because it’d obvious you don’t know what that is.
Lord above, I can hardly stomach the foolishness. But wait, there’s more…
AprilOrit, you really shouldn’t gloat in public about your staunch support for Huckabee – it’s downright embarrassing. Because to those of us who know Huckabee’s record you look like an ever-lovin’ idiot and I’d feel sorry for you if I weren’t so pissed off by the sheer idiocy of you and every evangelical who shares your delusions.
Redhead Infidel on January 4, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Spot on Redhead
leanright on January 4, 2008 at 10:25 AM
I think that is completely wrong and grossly unfair. To say you don’t like what he has done is one thing. To say he has done nothing is ridiculous. He was a wildly successful hard charging dynamic mayor of a dysfunctional out-of-control city. Hate him for his policies/actions, not for his “inaction.”
He will try very very hard to do what he says. There will be confrontation and fireworks galore as he argues incessantly with everyone. Don’t vote for him if you don’t like his policies, but don’t confuse him with somebody who’s all talk.
JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM
JiangxiDad on January 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM
I don’t hate Rudy, if he becomes our candidate I will support him 100%.
But I could never truly like having a pro-choice candidate that ran a sanctuary city. I believe there are better choices out there.
Confrontation and fireworks don’t equate to true courage. One must be resolute in his beliefs to lead this nation, not confrontational. G.W. Bush is a great example of resolute strength.
I don’t know what Rudy believes in, I just don’t see him to run that deep.
leanright on January 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Esthier and leanright,
You may be right. I guess being exposed to the bigotry in the evangelical community makes it hard for me to believe that they are separating their feelings toward Mormons from their desire to have a Christian president. When you factor in that Mitt has the same values, Hucks Satan’s brother comment, and these same people polled said Huck doesn’t have the experience to be president, it is even tougher to swallow.
If I’ve offended anyone, I apologize.
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 11:16 AM
The only thing sickening and self-righteous was your post.
Did it ever occur to you or anyone else that this might be a little backlash? As an evangelical, I’m sick of a bunch of RINOs telling me to shut up, stuff my moral convictions, and vote the party line! Huckabee appeals to a lot of people with his Christian beliefs. I for one think the greatest battle to come is over the judiciary. And while Huckabee is liberal on a lot of issues, I appreciate his stance on seeking to end the slaughter that has claimed the lives of over 48 million Americans. That’s REAL bloodshed!
Instead of telling the majority of the base that they are irrelevant, it might make more sense to start addressing them.
That aside, I hope that emotions calm down and more people start considering the principles and plans of the candidates. Huckabee is too liberal for me on a lot of other issues, especially immigration.
I would love to see a Thompson/Hunter ticket.
dominigan on January 4, 2008 at 11:25 AM
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 11:16 AM
No apology necessary, it’s a volatile subject and easy to be swept into some emotional conclusions.
I believe the Iowans are decent folks who fear the hatered the far left spews at them. Huck came across as a down home decent kind of guy they could trust.
leanright on January 4, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Downhill.
SouthernDem on January 4, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Heh. Probably so.
Bryan on January 4, 2008 at 12:59 PM
This pretty much sums it up. Super delegates! The whole primary process is a sham then.
sonnyspats1 on January 4, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Heh, you hardly offended anyone yesterday/today, compared to the past. This is the refined csdeven, and I like you much better now, even on the disagreements :) Just know, buddy, that I felt your pain last night. The Fredheads suffered too, but it must have been hard for you, and it showed. But you’ve shown some learning and humility too, and that’s great. Best regards,
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM
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