What about Fred? Update: He’s in
posted at 11:25 pm on January 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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He’s going to finish with 13%, give or take a point and either just north or just south of McCain. Good enough to soldier on to South Carolina? With Mitt, his social con rival, having just been dealt a terrible blow and all kinds of love flowering for him in the blogosphere? Sure, why not?
The question is whether he’s willing to risk torpedoing his pal McCain, who expects to be heading down south as a winner in New Hampshire, by making SC a three-way race instead of a Huck-Mac showdown. The answer: Are we sure Fred would draw more votes from Maverick than from Huckabee? The Fredheads love him first and foremost for his position on immigration, precisely the reason so many of them also hate McCain. Conservatives (especially evangelicals) in South Carolina who aren’t real thrilled with either Huck or Mac might be tempted to go with the former purely on religious grounds; if Fred’s in the race, maybe they go for him instead. It’d take an awful lot of them to make Thompson a surprise winner, but there’s no harm in finding out just how many. Slu thinks his federalist approach might be just the ticket there if — if — he really sells it.
Bottom line: Now might be a good time to do a little encouraging.
Update: The Des Moines Register detects a pulse.
Update: What if McCain flames out in New Hampshire and Romney bounces back? That ends things for Maverick and makes South Carolina tougher for Fred. Although he’ll probably just try the “real conservative” shtick down there again.
Update: On with the show.
“It’s pretty clear we’re going to have a ticket to the next dance,” Thompson said as the audience cheered.
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he should stay in. seems to me people are still not satisfied with Huck or Mccain.
zane on January 3, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Fred’s done. Mitt’s done. It’s Rudy or Huck.
And probably a Rudy/Huck ticket in the end.
lorien1973 on January 3, 2008 at 11:28 PM
The after the event speeches by Obama, Edwards, and Huckabee have scared the crap outa me!.
We’re doomed!
rockhauler on January 3, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I think Fred’s best play is to let McCain win in New Hampshire and contest South Carolina.
The person in the deepest trouble is Mitt
William Amos on January 3, 2008 at 11:29 PM
I love my country and I love Fred Thompson. Thanks for the link to his contribution page, AP. I *cough*loveyoutoo*cough*
Reckon I’ll scrape up another donation for my man Fred. I want him to stay in the race.
RushBaby on January 3, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Thank you, AP for the first balanced post in the entire blogosphere this evening. Go Fred!
tort_feasor on January 3, 2008 at 11:30 PM
As a Fredhead I was heartened that he went on the road in Iowa but I was hoping for a better showing. The only way he can separate himself from the pack is to keep hitting illegal immigration in SC and that means challenging McVain. We’ll see if he has it in him.
If Huck continues like this I am leaning towards the AOSHQ option. Not pretty.
Bill C on January 3, 2008 at 11:30 PM
‘Nuther c-note for FRED! Slow and steady wins the race.
Tim Zank on January 3, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Rudy who?
And Allah, I knew it all along…you magnificent bastard.
MadisonConservative on January 3, 2008 at 11:31 PM
I am beginning to wonder if my desire to keep Hillary out of office isn’t being surpassed by my desire to keep the Huckster out.
Bill C on January 3, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Talk radio in the Upstate of SC gives me the impression that Huck just doesn’t have a following here like the one he pulled together in IA. (Don’t know what turned the evangelical’s brains to corn mush out there!)
On the other hand, Fred has enjoyed alot of attention here. He’d better start running hard in SC – NOW! If so, he might be able to pull off some Huckicide. Let’s hope!
The Ritz on January 3, 2008 at 11:32 PM
You sir, are one kind-hearted alpha male.
Spirit of 1776 on January 3, 2008 at 11:33 PM
The REAL intriuging battle tonight is the Orange Bowl: Kansas Jayhawks vs the VTech Hokies.
Great game. Didnt think this one would have that many fireworks. Jayhawks up 24-14 mid-4th Q, 3rd and 1 from the VTech 21. thats field goal range, kyle.
Mike D. on January 3, 2008 at 11:33 PM
BTW, illegal immigration is a BIG BIG issue in SC. If Fred hammers Huck on that he should accomplish what he’s after.
The Ritz on January 3, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Rudy is focusing on the real states. This caucus has what? 13 delegates up and those aren’t even decided tonight. It’s just for show. NH is even more pointless. Rudy is playing it smart. He’s ahead in the states that matter on super duper mega fantastic Tuesday.
I’m voting R in 2008 (even if its Huck) just to have some balance in DC. All these candidates suck. The political class in this country is pathetic.
lorien1973 on January 3, 2008 at 11:35 PM
My desire to torpedo Huck’s campaign has surpassed my desire to keep Hillary out of the White House. This guy will singlehandedly send the GOP into permanent minority status.
Bad Candy on January 3, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Friendship for McVain is relative and when it comes down to it Fred isn’t related.
If Fred sells it with all he’s got, he could just win and what the other wannabes do could, not mean much.
If Fred wants TV time then he needs to make the news.
Speakup on January 3, 2008 at 11:39 PM
I’m listening to Huck now…I’m like this |..| close to throwing my remote through my TV.
Bad Candy on January 3, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Me too, lorien. Our guys may be a sorry lot, but the Democratic field is downright terrifying.
Hold your nose folks. The stink will eventually fade.
BacaDog on January 3, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Today we’ll likely lose Hunter, don’t think anyone else is going to drop out until after South Carolina.
P. James Moriarty on January 3, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Absolutely Fred has gotta stay in. I’m headed over to dontate now.
Jay on January 3, 2008 at 11:43 PM
In the New Hampshire race, follow along with the Howie Carr radio show in Boston.
I lived in NH during 1999 – 2004, and Howie’s most popular topic during all those years was illegal immigration. It was his show that got me to follow this issue closely back in 2000.
I hope Thompson pounds on this issue and shows ads that remind voters what his friend McCain tried to foist on this nation. McCain now says he’s learned his lesson – he wants enforcement FIRST, amnesty SECOND. No John, you haven’t learned your lesson. Enforcement NOW, amnesty NEVER.
fred5678 on January 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM
If Fred draws from McCain and assuming Mac takes NH from Mitt, then Rudy would be the big winner. I think that is superior to McCain winning 2 straight.
Spirit of 1776 on January 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I sure hope he stays in, we need a real conservative in the race.
Afterimage on January 3, 2008 at 11:46 PM
It’s Johnny Mac’s little shadow Lindsey Gramnesty that’s made illegal immigration such a sore point in SC. Fred’s gotta cash in on this issue or he’s toast.
The Ritz on January 3, 2008 at 11:49 PM
I spoke to Hunter and his local staff at a fundraiser last week. He skipped IA to concentrate on NH. if he pulls out after NH, I assume he will back Thompson, and then we hopefully end up with a Thompson/Hunter ticket.
fred5678 on January 3, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Damn….I guess I don’t get that i-Phone now.
I hope he, and his team, wake up to the fact that if they want the press then he has to do something to get their attention. He is dead solid on all the issues I care about.
He has a a very short time to put together a package that can pull out his campaign.
HA can remove me from the suicide watch list, btw.
Limerick on January 3, 2008 at 11:51 PM
I don’t think Mitt draws much if any of the evangelical crowd who don’t want to vote Huck. It was noted by Romney’s spokesman tonight that evangelicals stayed away from him in Iowa, and that’s because of the Mormon thing not the hair. That dynamic will not change anywhere in the Bible belt.
I think they go to Fred, but then that’s what I did, so maybe I’m biased. Or maybe I’m just smart.
TexasDan on January 3, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Fred Thompson hasn’t even begun to fight. Think John McCain and Fred Thompson were stepping on each other? I noticed in precincts were one did well. The other would do poorly. I know that some of you are quitters but I ain’t and I will think Fred Thompson is either.
TheSitRep on January 3, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I’m from South Carolina, so allow me to vent here. Dare I say the vast majority of evangelicals there probably will vote for Huckabee because of his religion and nothing else, and NOT vote for Romney because of his religion and nothing else. Just don’t you DARE call them hypocrites. The only glimmer of hope we have is that Huckabee’s real record comes to light…(hello Rush! HotAir! Michelle! Hannity! Boortz! Savage!) and people wake up. A recent SC supreme court ruling has brought the issue of illegals even more into the spotlight since they have awarded worker’s compensation to an illegal. So…bring it on!
SouthernGent on January 3, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Lim, you’re in North Austin, right? We can find a drinking hole somewhere central if you’re ever getting too down, buddy.
The Fred will rise, my friend.
TexasDan on January 3, 2008 at 11:53 PM
What Iowa shows is that Mitt cannot claim the mantle of King of the conservatives, a loss in NH will just confirm it. After that he needs to go and give Fred his chance. But he won’t. For Mitt this was never about pushing conservative ideals. Conservatism was a means to an end.
Bill C on January 3, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Ain’t either.
I’m using voice recognition software
TheSitRep on January 3, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Fort Worth. Austin freeways keep me away from there. :)
Limerick on January 3, 2008 at 11:55 PM
There is reason to hope that the last few days in Iowa were the beginning of a pattern for the remainder of the race. He can’t take anymore days off, that’s for sure.
Spirit of 1776 on January 3, 2008 at 11:55 PM
TexasDan and Lim if y’all ever get to Houston. Let me know. The beers are on me.
TheSitRep on January 3, 2008 at 11:56 PM
TexDan, SitRep……great! Beer…BBQ…and Fred!
Limerick on January 3, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Limerick off, csdeven, bkennedy, tommylotto on.
Bill C on January 3, 2008 at 11:58 PM
South of Austin…and Fred!
RushBaby on January 3, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Sir, I’m from the Upstate AND I’m an evangelical AND I have no intention of voting Huck! As I said a little earlier talk radio up here makes it seem unlikely Huck gets much support up here.
Don’t assume all evangelicals can’t think.
The Ritz on January 4, 2008 at 12:00 AM
I just donated some more to Fred Thompson.
TheSitRep on January 4, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Good on you.
TheSitRep on January 4, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Awesome. Me too…donate folks!
Jay on January 4, 2008 at 12:02 AM
What the hell is taking so long for these last precincts to vote already? Can’t they count?
Jay on January 4, 2008 at 12:03 AM
News coverage not fair to Fred!?
USCitizen on January 4, 2008 at 12:04 AM
I hope it is an indication of turnout.
TheSitRep on January 4, 2008 at 12:04 AM
must. refrain. from. voting. on. corn. husk. joke.
RushBaby on January 4, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Kudos, Allah.
Cuffy Meigs on January 4, 2008 at 12:06 AM
I’m putting in another c-note to Fred. Keep going Fred! You can take South Carolina!
msipes on January 4, 2008 at 12:07 AM
The pig farmers in Iowa, felt like they were beholding to Mike Huckabee. For all the trade he has sent them over the years. If Mike Huckabee and had bariatric surgery might have run away with it.
TheSitRep on January 4, 2008 at 12:09 AM
I hope you’re right, but my parents are Evangelicals based in the Midlands and from I hear from them and what they hear you are in the minority. We shall see. Good luck!
SouthernGent on January 4, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Absolutely correct! If Romney recovers he’ll take SC. . . maybe not by alot, but he’ll take it.
The Ritz on January 4, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Alright then, you take care of the midlands and I’ll work on the upstate.
The Ritz on January 4, 2008 at 12:15 AM
BTW, you apparently missed Bob Jones’ endorsement of Romney. Again, evangelicals are not a uniform bloc. Unfortunately that bodes ill for the GOP. It’s critical to keep evangelicals from fracturing or there just won’t be as many elephants voting this time around.
The Ritz on January 4, 2008 at 12:19 AM
That could make for some interesting reading in the history books of the future. Probably Huck will be so outraged at Rudy’s personal behavior that he’ll instigate impeachment proceedings against him, and after Rudy gets the boot from the White House Huckabee can put on his ‘innocent little boy’ show and explain to America how he only ever wanted to do right by the lord, his savior, and the fact that Huck would then become POTUS is only his just reward for his valiant efforts on God’s behalf.
FloatingRock on January 4, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Am I glad. We need you here dear Limerick. May I join those parties with you good Texas folk? I go through Houston/Dallas a lot.
For some odd reason, I’m sad that Hillary took 3rd, even though I also predicted it, but I’m not so sad about Huckabee. I think this will be a call for the conservatives to wake up. For some odd reason I believe that McCain/Thompson will make a gentlemanly agreement so that one will continue. As they are 180 degrees apart on immigration, I’d like it to be Fred.
There’s no way Huckabee could beat Obama, as has been already stated, probably. Unless the conservatives are suicidal, they’re going to wake up. Iowa, historically, hasn’t been that decisive.
…or maybe both :)
Bad Candy, it’s too early to destroy things :)
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Keep an eye out, even now but even more so after New Hampshire, for match-ups between Obama and varying Republicans.
Have hard liquor handy.
MB4 on January 4, 2008 at 12:24 AM
I don’t thik Romney/McCain will take SC.
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Ritz, that’s fair enough, but a lot of evangelicals are voting for Huckabee based on his identity as a Christian, which is okay to a degree, but what about the real issues? I want a candidate that will secure our borders, deport illegals and punish companies that hire them, stay out of my life, and stop giving away so much of MY money to the U.N. and sociatal leeches in our own country. But maybe I’m misreading Huckabee’s appeal. I will, unfortunately, have to vote for him over any democrat…and so I will.
SouthernGent on January 4, 2008 at 12:25 AM
MB, you are so on spot with your comments tonight – kudos on all – I just hate to get those sarcophagi out just yet.
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Huck leads Mitt by 7 in SC. By 4 in Florida (Rudy leads all). By 1 in California (Rudy leads all).
Mitt leads Huck by 19 in NH (McCain leads all). By 1 in Michigan. By 8 in Nevada (Rudy leads all).
SC is make or break for Mitt if he does not come in first.
concerning fred….
Just what can Fred do in NH, Michigan, or Nevada to get some steam up for SC? In NH, McCain leads Fred by 29. Mitt leads by 26. In Michigan Mitt leads Fred by 13. In Nevada Rudy and Mitt lead Fred by 14. In SC, Huck leads Fred by 12 and Mitt leads Fred by 6.
This field is gonna winnow down real fast and if Mitt can stay in until SC because he has the bucks AND will do better in the three states leading up to SC, just how is Fred going to hang in until SC with very poor showings and no money?
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Couldn’t spell Texas without an {{{E}}}.
RushBaby on January 4, 2008 at 12:28 AM
My lady….there is no way Huckabee could beat Jimmy Carter.
Although I have never sat out an election…evah….and although Allah has said I (or people like me) will see the light by November….I-will-not-vote-for-this-man. He scares me as much as Kucinichovich and Pauline.
Limerick on January 4, 2008 at 12:28 AM
I think Fred plans to stay in until SC. I’m pretty sure the reason he seems to hedge when asked about New Hampshire is because he wrote off NH a long time ago and doesn’t plan to go there to campaign except for the debate. When asked point-blank if he’s “going on to New Hampshire,” he hesitates because he doesn’t want to say straight out that he doesn’t care about New Hampshire and doesn’t intend to fight for it. But I might be wrong and he might drop out after all. That’s just my take on the “hedging” he was doing today regarding NH.
On another note, I think pundits are making a mistake by writing off Giuliani. He’s not out of the hunt by any means–he has targeted the states with the most delegates, and that strategy may very well still pay off for him. He’s keeping his powder dry and staying out of these early catfights. Could be the smartest strategy of all with this compressed primary schedule.
aero on January 4, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Correction – I don’t think Romney/McCain will take SC.
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:31 AM
What about Michigan and Nevada? Can Fred afford to no show in three states?
csdeven on January 4, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I think I finally have decided…I think I’m in for Mr. Thompson. No use winning the war, in the immortal words of General Melchett from Blackadder Goes Forth,
“only to get back home to Blighty and find that everyone’s wearing overalls and breaking wind in the palaces of the mighty.”
I think Mr. Thompson would be a fine CinC. And I rather like his domestic stances too…
major john on January 4, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I watched a bit of MSNBC tonight, I know I’m a glutin, anyway… they won’t even mention Fred or include him in their graphics. That ought to tell everyone something folks. Something very important indeed.
Griz on January 4, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Well folks, like they say, it’s time to fish or cut bait.
bnelson44 on January 4, 2008 at 12:36 AM
I won’t be satisfied until Air Force One is painted red with big white letters on the side saying ‘Run CSD, Run!’
Limerick on January 4, 2008 at 12:38 AM
If Huckabee wins New Hampshire, he’s going to be the nominee.
Rudy’s strategy is completely wrong. I bet he spent more money than Huckabee in Iowa. I bet he spent more time in Iowa than McCain. Rudy’s problem is Rudy. His strategy won’t win because he can’t campaign as a ’stealth candidate’ like some people here assume he can and still win.
Those that are citing polls with Rudy winning, take a look at the date on those polls. Most of them haven’t been updated since early December. Rudy is sinking like the Andrea Doria. He only looks like a good candidate as the front runner. He won’t be able to come from behind with a positive message – that’s not his style. I wish I could take a list of all those Rudy supporters here so I can laugh at them on ’super Tuesday’ when it is obvious that he was wrong.
ThackerAgency on January 4, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Griz, not even Fox is for Fred. Don’t know who in there suffers of phallus-envy but the other media know that he’d beat any of the lefties and they certainly don’t want that.
If out of stupidity he’d end up the nominee, a conservative 3rd party type would hopefully emerge. I’m going to vote, just not for Mr. Huckabee.
It’s going to be a long/arduous/interesting year. Good for the media, including the blogs.
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Thanks RB. Always loved your artful contributions, including today’s hearts, in the headlines perhaps.
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:41 AM
You’re here!
wccawa on January 4, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Look at the polls. Huck is not going to win New Hampshire.
bnelson44 on January 4, 2008 at 12:43 AM
This is true. According to FNC, somehow the exact same result for McCain and Thompson (13%) equals death for Thompson and a “fantastic night” for McCain. That was one of the only times I even heard anyone on Fox even mention Fred tonight.
aero on January 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Always bet on Fred!
Bad Candy on January 4, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Oh you mean these ♥Fred♥. Wish I could claim credit, but honestly — I really did steal it from another commenter here at HA.
RushBaby on January 4, 2008 at 12:46 AM
wccawa, can’t miss you for too long. Though, strictly Platonically – the dragonlady is our mutual friend :)
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:46 AM
AllahPundit - In all seriousness, does this mean that you do not believe Fred Thompson to be the only Conservative in the race and you think it is only a “shtick” he is doing, similar to how radio and TV personalities and celebrities put on a shtick for their show that is not how they are like at all in real life?
Personally, I don’t believe it is a “shtick”, I believe he is truly the only conservative in the race, aside from Duncan Hunter. The others range from being moderates or RINOs. I tend to agree with Rush Limbaugh that the others know that the Republican base is Conservative (as evidenced by the Democrats running Conservatives in 2006 to take back Congress) and the RINO candidates are trying to redefine Conservatism to say they are Conservatives.
If you believe that Fred Thompson is a fraud and really is not a Conservative, but is just using that “shtick” for his campaign, it would explain a lot of your hostile attitude toward him and his supporters.
Michael in MI on January 4, 2008 at 12:48 AM
That’s the one RB. It’s not stealing if it’s out there on the net :)
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:48 AM
First Huckabee is not going to win New Hampshire.
Second, this primary season is different than any before. If Rudy can hold the line in FL, win the primary there and have that going into Super Tuesday, he is going to look like a damn genius. This is especially true is SC is still sour on JM.
Spirit of 1776 on January 4, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Thanks, E.
Calgon’s going to take me away for 20 min or so. I hope the party’s in full swing when I return. Welcome, fun night crew!
RushBaby on January 4, 2008 at 12:51 AM
OT – Good evening Michael. Good to see you here. Wanted to tell you today, during your lunch, that I make my own hours, which means that they vary from days/night of work at a time or some shorter ones, and most always computers handy. Independent work is challenging, creative, exciting, well-retributed, freeing from much BS, and of course demanding. I recommend it. It beats having naive bosses who seldom know much. Naive is nicely put.
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Roger that…
Now let’s save this country, shall we?
wccawa on January 4, 2008 at 12:54 AM
When people ask Fred! (or his people) if he’ll drop out after finishing third in Iowa, the response should be:
The Monster on January 4, 2008 at 12:54 AM
This is my position as well. I know many here disagree with that and I will not be campaigning to encourage others to vote that way, but I just do not fear Hillary as much as many others do. I feel that a Hillary Presidency simply means that we Americans need to be more active in our political process. So it means having faith in ourselves to stop complaining and take action, as we did with Amnesty. Only, with a Hillary Presidency, there will be amnesty-type things to counter pretty much every single week. So we will need to be very watchful of things she and the Congress try to do and be very active in trying to stop them and influence others to do the same, as we did with the Amnesty Bill.
I see some early stages of HDS occurring among Republicans. Let’s not do that. Let’s stay clear headed and keep in mind that we are not slaves to the government, our government answers to us, We the People. Stick to your principles.
Michael in MI on January 4, 2008 at 12:55 AM
He’s earned our wrath, his identity politicking is vile.
Bad Candy on January 4, 2008 at 12:59 AM
McCain should drop out and endorse Thompson, not the other way around. Thompson is younger and has much more credibility on the immigration issue.
packsoldier on January 4, 2008 at 1:00 AM
I believe that Fred is a true conservative.
However, if Fred endorses Juan Plantation McShamnasty the above sentence will self destruct.
MB4 on January 4, 2008 at 1:01 AM
As a fellow Rowan Atkinson fan, welcome to the, um, Fred club.
I don’t watch much TV but I was at my dads a few nights ago and saw a program on Fox News about the Iowa caucus. They discussed Huckabee, Mitt, McCain and, even though he’s not running in Iowa, Rudy—-but no mention of Fred.
FloatingRock on January 4, 2008 at 1:04 AM
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Good evening to you as well (well technically early morning here for me and past my bedtime, but I digress…)
Hopefully people knew I was kidding when I said that if I had the chance to be self-employed in the future, I could “slack off” too. I know that self-employment is much more demanding than a ‘regular’ job as it takes a lot of initiative and hard work. Plus, one person mentioned that they had very different hours and worked weekends and such. So while I envy those who are self-employed and get to make their own hours, I do appreciate the fact that I have a weekday job where I can work 6-2:30 or go in later and work 8-4:30 and normally not have to work OT or weekends. I like the stability. There are pros and cons to each different work environment I am sure.
I was just curious, because I know some sites have a readership that is younger, so that’s why I first thought that people could be in college and therefor be able to post in the morning.
It is sometimes frustrating for me, because a lot of times I will only get to a few good posts/comment discussions here at lunch, when they have been over for about 30-60 minutes already and I would have liked to have participated. And on top of that, since my lunch time is limited, I can’t stay and have the back and forth discussion at lunch, since I like to get around to as many sites as possible to catch up on things in my hour time (plus, uh, eat lunch), so if I do post, I have to get all my thoughts out at once and just come back later to see if anyone responded.
Anyway, I have to give ‘props’ to flipflop and a few others here for changing my mind about posting here. I had gotten so disgusted with the posts and discussion here leading up to the “silly hat” stuff, and that nonsense was just the breaking point for me and I had decided discussion here wasn’t worthwhile. But I kept reading, since, aside from the commentary most times, this is a good resource for news and links, and I saw some comments by flipflop that convinced me that there were some people still talking about the serious issues. So I am glad for that. I missed the discussion. (Granted, I was getting a lot more sleep, since I was getting to bed earlier when not staying up late on here. heh)
Michael in MI on January 4, 2008 at 1:06 AM
10-4
That’s what I said a bit above, and MB rogered it too.
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 1:06 AM
Shot over, shot out.
MB4 on January 4, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Teh…….Allah isn’t Fast Eddie, but he isn’t in a booster club either. There isn’t a single candidate that he hasn’t burned with a magnifying glass. Now if I could just get him to at least try grits.
Limerick on January 4, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Sorry, I should have been more clear, the HDS stands for Hillary Derangement Syndrome. I see people expressing some irrational fear of Hillary as Lefties expressed irrational fear of ‘W’. Yes, we all know what she will try to do in office, but that does not mean we cannot stop her from doing it. We stopped Amnesty (at least temporarily) and we have survived bad Presidents in the past. I just see people willing to give up everything they stand for simply to try to keep her out of office. Selling their political soul. Selling any kind of soul is never a good thing. (Well, unless you don’t believe in souls, then I guess it’s a moot point).=
Michael in MI on January 4, 2008 at 1:14 AM
FC, see, she learns – you’re a good teacher. Plus, sincerely, thank you for all the laughs. You make me laugh so heartily, so often, sometimes with tears. Your humor is so dry, or I get such a kick out of it, or it’s your philosophy/mix of knowledge/wit/bantering/unpredictability/moods, and the humor, but I’m so happy you’re here.
Entelechy on January 4, 2008 at 1:15 AM
Same here, MB4. If Fred Thompson ends up dropping out and endorsing any one of the other candidates, I will admit my error in supporting him and move on. However, if he drops out, does not endorse anyone and does not work behind the scenes to help anyone’s campaign, my respect for him will remain and I will not regret supporting his campaign one bit.
Michael in MI on January 4, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Glad you came back. Commendable that you didn’t let your pride get in the way.
We are in interesting position here. If Hillary (or Obama for that matter) take the WH it is not unlikely at all that they will have a Congress favorable to their cause. Judging from their less-than-exempliery performance in the majority, it is less-than-heartening to muse on how willing Republicans will be in the minority to fight.
Spirit of 1776 on January 4, 2008 at 1:20 AM
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