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Video: Fred says Politico story was “made up out of whole cloth”; Update: “Painful,” says Michelle

posted at 9:08 am on January 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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True, or just his way of telling caucusers not to give up and stay home? He stresses that he hasn’t said anything to anyone about quitting if he does badly tonight but Politico didn’t claim that he had. The story was based on what his (alleged) advisors had surmised. And despite being prodded by Kilmeade, he refuses to absolutely commit to being in New Hampshire next week come what may.

Oh well. Blame the media!

[T]he would-be savior of the conservative coalition can barely get coverage from the Des Moines Register.

The Register’s decision not to staff Mr. Thompson’s campaign in the final days before the caucuses and rely instead on wire reports is just one of many signs that his presidential bid has skidded toward the margins amid the ice and snow of Iowa and New Hampshire…

Mr. Thompson’s stump speech hasn’t changed significantly since he kicked off his campaign in September. But his ability to reach potential caucus-goers has been constrained somewhat by the apathy of the media. Just a few reporters trail Mr. Thompson now, a far cry from his kick-off tour, when his campaign hired a bus to haul journalists to events. Reporters who do drop in to see Mr. Thompson speak tend to write stories that reinforce voter concerns about the candidate’s drive.

Another bad omen, perhaps: A late surge for McCain in Iowa? Or is that just among his media sweethearts?

Update: “Fred Thompson’s failure to catch fire showed that star power and Internet buzz aren’t enough to cut it, either.”

Update: The boss spies a non-denial denial. Has she too Betrayed the Cause and given up the ghost on Fred?

Update: Fred advisor Rich Galen strenuously denies the Politico story.


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Politico is just an old dinosaur newspaper without the newspaper.

JiangxiDad on January 3, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Actually, there is a newspaper, according to SourceWatch. 25,000-30,000 copies are distributed three days a week while Congress is in session, and one day a week during recess.

RushBaby on January 3, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Yes. And then you just slowly slide your garbage down the page until it disappears.

Unbelievable. Is there no end to the increasingly trifling things to complain about? Hey, let’s look at the kerning, or the font.

How about the color?

Slublog on January 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Yes. And then you just slowly slide your garbage down the page until it disappears.

Unbelievable. Is there no end to the increasingly trifling things to complain about? Hey, let’s look at the kerning, or the font.

How about the color?

(Repost for formatting)

Slublog on January 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Bawawawawawawawa!

Big A, thanks for the morning comedy, ie: Fred Derangement Syndrome.

The cost of starting a new blog: five (5) minutes.

The value of a card carrying Fredhead? Priceless.

Mcguyver on January 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM

The MSM seems shocked and surprised that the independents in Iowa are said to be going 2-1 for them. I mean not that it’s a self described Populist state and all. They are seemingly shocked that some are going to the right side at all. Guess they also forgot to check that 45% of the voters there self identify as Evangelical Christians.

Wonder if they are going to split between Rudy and Mitt or place their eggs with Huck?

Yeah that ought to be a hard one to figure out, maybe even they can get it.

CommentGuy on January 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Since talk really is cheap. Phone for Fred today. I have solicited over the phone in the past and it works.

sonnyspats1 on January 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Hot News!

Fred Thompson filed papers with the Texas Secretary of State’s office that would place him on the ballot for the March 4 primary for president of the United States.

Yesterday was the deadline. He filed them yesterday.

rick moran on January 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM

AP = Politico = no readers = no job.

Griz on January 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM

= no more iPhones for AP

Griz on January 3, 2008 at 11:11 AM

I agree that Fred is banking on South Carolina. That’s what Mrs. Fred! was talking about last night on Fox News. If that’s the case, why would he drop out this week-end?

In my extremely humble opinion….Paulbots are behind these so-called Thompson “advisor” statements. Just think if bo-bo face were to come out ahead of Fred tonight.

Geez…I think I’m gonna puke my latte’.

Has H.A. become a naive mouthpiece for Paulbots?

I think I’m doubting it…???

SouthernPride on January 3, 2008 at 11:12 AM

No biggie. At least AP gave us the correction/update buried at the bottom of page E59, right below the obits…Yes. And then you just slowly slide your garbage down the page until it disappears.

Tilting at windmills. Might want to take a minute and rethink what you are saying or at least pretend you were joking and add a sarc tag.

Spirit of 1776 on January 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Tilting at windmills. Might want to take a minute and rethink what you are saying or at least pretend you were joking and add a sarc tag.

Spirit of 1776 on January 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Nope. Unlike some here, I learn from history.

wccawa on January 3, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Well, here’s the final Rasmussen. What a mess!

Romney 18%
McCain 17%
Huckabee 16%
Giuliani 13%
Thompson 13%
Paul 7%

This thing is TOTALLY up in the air. Wow. Just wow.

wccawa on January 3, 2008 at 11:25 AM

So many experts, so little time.
Here’s a novel idea, let’s wait and see what the voters say.

Slow and steady just might win the race. Here goes another c-note for FRED!

Tim Zank on January 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Maybe everyone who’s gone negative should vote for Ron Paul. His supporters did not Judas’d him yet. Oh, dear the sky is falling!

Egfrow on January 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Nope. Unlike some here, I learn from history.

In that case, I applaud your ability to detect the consistency with which updates are always added to bottom of the post. And additionally to note that new posts push old posts down the page unless they are moved to ‘Top Picks’ which starts the whole process over, very impressive.

Spirit of 1776 on January 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM

I just find it hard to believe that if Fred does bomb in Iowa it is somehow the MSMs fault. He has been working the stump. He has been talking and greeting and kissing babies.

I have to disagree. I would point out that the mainstream media is left-leaning, but that would be the understatement of the year. The fact is, there has been a virtual media blackout on Fred. In the months since Fred declared, I can’t recall seeing a single article about Fred in my local AP-based newspaper. Not one. Meanwhile, there are almost daily articles about Hillary and Barack, some of which were incredible multi-page, multi-day gushfests.

You’re suggesting that this has no impact on voters. I say “nonsense” to that. The left is scared of Fred because he would very likely win and in love with Huckabee because he would very likely loose. They are doing their damnedest to steer this election, as they always do.

sax-maniac on January 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM

The story cites “several Republican officials close to Fred Thompson’s presidential campaign.” Galen told me, “I’m a Republican official in the Thompson campaign, and I’m denying it.” Galen also said that no one inside the campaign was a source for the story. “I can’t put enough adjectives in front of the ‘deny’ to accurately describe how vehemently I’m denying the story,” he said.

Wow, great sourcing. And this is what all the glee about Fred Thompson’s demise is about?

Can I ask why HotAir staff and Michelle Malkin are using the Politico as a reliable source for campaign news?

Also, back to the sarcastic “blame the media!” talking point. No one objectively looking at this thinks that the Politico (which was the source for the “silly hat” dishonest hit piece on Fred Thompson) did not put this out there the day before the Caucus in order to depress Fred Thompson supporters into switching their vote at the last minute to someone else?

I really don’t get how a blog and a media woman who follow the media so closely cannot pick up on obvious media bias and agenda-driven reporting in this campaign. It’s like people have completely forgotten the biased and agenda-driven media coverage about pretty much everything for the past 7 years.

You can simultaneously hold the opinions that (1) Fred Thompson has run a lackluster campaign and (2) that the media has been doing its best to sink his campaign, because they don’t want a Conservative on the GOP ticket. (Just like one can say there were mistakes made in the execution of the war effort, but the completely biased and agenda driven media coverage and the Democrats’ undermining of the effort along the way went a long way to contributing to the war efforts’ mistakes as well) But for some reason, some people don’t want to do that.

Conspiracy? No. But, I am beginning to believe that Michelle Malkin and the HotAir staff are doing the same thing as Rush Limbaugh. Rush has not endorsed anyone, but he highly critcizes John McCain and Mike Huckabee as not being Conservatives and calls Fred Thompson the only Conservative in the race. He has spoken highly of Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani on their strong points. Thus, one can infer that Rush is pushing Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani, in that order, without actually coming out and explicitly endorsing anyone. With Michelle Malkin and the HotAir staff, they are the most highly critical of Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson, especially Thompson with their giving so much credence to hit pieces by The Politico and meaningless things like “silly hats”. Thus, one can infer that Michelle Malkin and the HotAir staff are pushing other candidates than Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson.

It is a trick the mass media does all the time. They write favorably biased agenda driven pieces about the Democrats and unfavorable pieces about Republicans. They write favorable pieces about our enemies and unfavorable pieces about our own military. They pump up the anti-war effort and fail to cover the Gathering of Eagles. They pump up the pro-abortion marches and fail to cover the Pro-Life marches. They prop up anti-war military families and fail to cover support-the-war-effort military families. And on and on and on…

I see the same thing happening here at HotAir and with Michelle Malkin. And I can say that while also acknowledging that Fred Thompson has not run a great campaign. But his lackluster campaign has also been deliberately torpedoed even further by mass media lack of coverage, a constant meme of “lazy” and “no fire in the belly” and hit pieces by The Politico, picked up and given credence by bloggers.

All of this is fine, so long as we know the agendas of people. If I know that Michelle Malkin and the HotAir staff don’t like Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson because of X,Y and Z policies, then fine. Then I know why they are doing meaningless hit pieces and constantly running very critical pieces. But, as far as I know, I haven’t seen any criticisms from Michelle Malkin or the HotAir staff on Fred Thompson’s policies, only his “laziness”, “fire in the belly” and disliking his “silly hat rule”. One would think that if Michelle Malkin and the HotAir staff liked Fred Thompson’s policies, they would be helping him along with favorable coverage. But that is not happening. In fact, it is just the opposite.

If I have missed where Michelle Malkin and the HotAir staff have raised criticisms and worries about Fred Thompson’s policies, or have just expressed a lack of trust on something, please link to the post where this occurs and I will acknowledge my error in missing them.

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Sorry for the long comment, but I only have an hour for lunch, so I have to get all my thoughts out at one time and then come back later after work.

Just out of curiousity, how are all you others able to post here all morning? Are you college aged? Retired? Just curious. I envy you. I was able to post a lot earlier this week, because we were on shutdown from Dec 21 thru Jan 1. But normally, I am only able to post minimally during the week due to work and other responsibilities after work.

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:38 AM

I’ll ask again, why put up a news source as credible when not a month ago said news source blatantly lied about Thompson? Is it laziness? Trying to get the number of hits up? It obviously has nothing to do with intellectual honesty.

Capitalist Infidel on January 3, 2008 at 11:39 AM

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Is Allahpundit an “unnamed source?” ;)

Connie on January 3, 2008 at 11:39 AM

Sorry for the long comment, but I only have an hour for lunch, so I have to get all my thoughts out at one time and then come back later after work.

Just out of curiousity, how are all you others able to post here all morning?

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Your thoughts are most welcome. Speaking for myself: I am self-employed. Read and comment between deadlines, work at night if I got carried away during the day.

RushBaby on January 3, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Let’s face it. Not a single blogger or commenter here knows what’s going to happen tonight. Let’s enjoy the ride people. Life’s about the journey and all that. We’re just talking about a few thousand buckeye’s here, not the 100 million Americans who voted in the last presidential election (some of whom even voted legally).

I enjoy the vigorous debate in the primary as it gets our guy ready for the general. You think it’s nasty now? Wait till the Clinton crime family starts to kick into high gear. Don’t underestimate the ability of ANY of our guys to kick boo-TAY in the general. Now get a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show.

Mojave Mark on January 3, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Michael in MI

It’s nice to be self employed

Capitalist Infidel on January 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM

According to a Corner post by Byron York, the Thompson campaign strongly denies the Politico story. If Politico screws the pooch on yet another Fred story, you guys are going to have to think long and hard before ever using them as a source again.

At this point, I wouldn’t believe Politico if they wrote that Fred puts his pants on one leg at a time.

thirteen28 on January 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Just out of curiousity, how are all you others able to post here all morning? Are you college aged? Retired? Just curious. I envy you.

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Personally…I’m a housewife (conservnut’s), housemom & housedaughter-in-law who checks posts occasionally during my current day’s chores, which is laundry and cleaning bed & baths~
2 of my 3 fellers are back to school & work and now I’m cleaning up their holiday messes. Woo-Hoo!
Enjoy your lunchbreak!

SouthernPride on January 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM

really this is getting so old… no one is saying these things but you guys keep running the same old tired story…

Bush didn’t carry NH so why would Fred give a flip about it?

oh and this just in… “if Mitt loses in Iowa he’ll commit suicide” major advisor announces (advisor from Billary’s camp).

Kaptain Amerika on January 3, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Just out of curiousity, how are all you others able to post here all morning?

We spend too much time goofing off on blogs when we should be working.

thirteen28 on January 3, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Please. As I’ve said before, after eight months this year of Hillary or Obama or whoever attacking conservatives every day and the GOP nominee defending the party, people will be ready to vote for Huckabee if necessary.

Allahpundit on January 3, 2008 at 10:17 AM

Why do you believe that? In my opinion, there is really no difference between Mike Huckabee and Hillary Clinton other than their Party affiliation. I don’t see why Conservatives would want to see the Republican party turn into Democrat-lite. I would much rather have Democrat in office and then work harder as a citizen of the United States to be involved in politics and make sure our government does not go overboard with things I don’t want (such as we all did with Amnesty), rather than see the Republican Party basically destroyed from within as it is led by a high tax, high spend nannystater who basically holds contempt for everyone who does not believe in religion as he does. That would drive so many people away from the Republican Party, I would think.

What does Mike Huckabee even offer to the Conservative Coalition? At the most, he is a social conservative. But he is completely ignorant on foreign policy and is not a fiscal conservative at all. And as many have stated in discussion of politics, there is a big part of social conservatives who are primarily fiscal conservatives. So they would probably leave the party as well. Leaving only voters whose main focus in life is Christianity and abortion and social issues, while having no interest in the economy and foreign policy.

I would think that nominating Mike Huckabee would end up forcing fiscal and foreign policy conservatives to look to a strong 3rd party rather than hold their nose for a candidate which offers them absolutely nothing.

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Looks like someone forgot about Politico already lying about Thompson. Remember the whole hat and the fire department? Why would anyone quote a source that has blatantly lied?

Capitalist Infidel on January 3, 2008 at 9:37 AM

To stir the pot, I thinks.

Please. As I’ve said before, after eight months this year of Hillary or Obama or whoever attacking conservatives every day and the GOP nominee defending the party, people will be ready to vote for Huckabee if necessary.

Allahpundit on January 3, 2008 at 10:17 AM

I wouldn’t bet your iPhone on that one. There are at least 3 Republican candidates that I could NEVER vote for.

omnipotent on January 3, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Good greif guys Its an election and Fred’s poor showing isnt cause by Allah’s posts. They are caused by the way Fred has ran his campaign.

He hasnt connected to enough people. That is what hurt him not a bunch of blog posts.

I would vote for Fred if I could today but bashing Allah doesnt make things easier for Fred.

Keep in mind also that Ronald Reagan lost the 1st two times he ran for President. It took time for the republican party to back him. Fred ran this time maybe in 4 years he will be better prepared and ready to run again. Again thats IF he doesnt stage a comeback.

William Amos on January 3, 2008 at 11:52 AM

I’m not whining I’m putting you in your place. Maybe you should take the next couple days off.

amend2 on January 3, 2008 at 9:19 AM

I second that.

Allahpundit, I’ll say it plainly. Knock it off. You come off as increasing arrogant, disrepectful of readers and most of all you come off as perhaps the most irrating of the East-Coast-Self-Styled-Elite.

Hot Air used to be an excellent site. Your “King Maker” act is not just getting old, it’s already stale.

You derisively refer to anyone who wants to get the FACTS about Fred as a cult member of the Fredheads! And you derisively label anyone who points out your poor behavior as Truthers.

If you can’t help yourself in that, perhaps you should apply for a position at the DailyKOS where poor behavior is the norm.

Montana on January 3, 2008 at 11:52 AM

The pulse of ‘what it is!!’ is found in the threads & comments of the Blogosphere,….sorry dudes & dudettes,…but this is where ‘the real’ is!

“Idiots, can’t you see that Fred! is the ONLY grownup in the room?”

ding ding ding ding ding….o wait…..are we really ready for an Adult to lead this Country???…who doesn’t need to shake & mime the trendmongers…what it is is what it is!
GO FRED!!

lobosan5 on January 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Allahpundit on January 3, 2008 at 9:16 AM

So what now, it’s trutherism to doubt a website’s word? I guess you guys really stick together, eh? This isn’t the first time Politico has dropped a red herring, so maybe you shouldn’t leap on those who question an already questionable site.

MadisonConservative on January 3, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Just out of curiousity, how are all you others able to post here all morning?
Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Self-employed. My clients really won’t start back to work until next week, so I’m indulging myself. ;)

Tennman on January 3, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Looking ahead…Republican debate in Myrtle Beach, SC one week from today.

KelliD on January 3, 2008 at 11:55 AM


Here goes another c-note for FRED!

Tim Zank on January 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Thanks Tim.

Griz on January 3, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Is Allahpundit an “unnamed source?” ;)
Connie on January 3, 2008 at 11:39 AM

Now, that’s funny. I don’t care who you are!

Tennman on January 3, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I have serious come to the conclusion that if Fred fails in Iowa and New Hampshire that the horse race comes down to the top 2 candidates. Which means it will be Huck and either McCain or Romney.

With ROmney fading fast there is a good chance that the choice for the republican party through 80% of the primary season will be Huck or McCain. So with the possible loss of fred looming that is our choice. A loss of Fred garauntees that matchup.

So if that is the case I will vote for McCain. That is the situation we face in the next week.

William Amos on January 3, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Is Allahpundit an “unnamed source?” ;)
Connie on January 3, 2008 at 11:39 AM

No. AllahP is the “unknown” source.

KelliD on January 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Okay, I’m off to find a blog to follow today where I’m less likely to get poked with a sharp stick all day long and then get laughed at if I yelp. Might be back, might not.

Have fun, everyone!

Just out of curiousity, how are all you others able to post here all morning?
Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Self-employed, between projects.

aero on January 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM

I still don’t get why such a huge importance is placed on who does well in Iowa…simply because they’re first? Yes…but Iowa is hardly the pulse of the nation.

Bah…What REALLY counts is “Super Tuesday”…not until then, will we know who’s really going to lead the pack.

JetBoy on January 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM

My Goodness AP. I still think I’d go with that “Sex With Robots” story if I were you. Considerably less controversial.

Griz on January 3, 2008 at 12:06 PM

All you self-employed people… you suck!

The housewife, you get off the hook. My mom was a housewife and I cherish all the time I got to spend with her growing up and her being completely involved with my education and at school with such things as Mother’s club and going on field trips and then always being there when I got home to ask how my day was and then make sure I did my homework, then checked my homework and talked about it with me, before I even thought about going outside to play. We need more women like that who don’t look down upon the occupation of full-time-mother/housewife.

Back to you self-employed people. Just kidding earlier. I envy you. I’m early in my career (graduated college in May 1999, started first job in Sept 1999), so maybe I can look forward to one day being self-employed in my area of expertise and joining you guys in slacking off. :)

Okay, lunch over. Time to listen to Rush and back to work. Hopefully back later…

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM

How many posters here have said they will either not vote or vote for Democrats because of all the Republican bashing you’ve done over the last couple months?

I’m not voting for Huck because I find Ace’s argument persuasive: if we’re going to have an unqualified liberal in the WH, let the Dems take the blame for it. And because as a Christian, he offends me with his pandering, identity politics; using my faith as a tool. It has nothing to do with Republican bashing and everything to do with Pastor Holiday Inn Express himself.

I do think all the hammering of our hosts wrt Fred! is overblown. Maybe it’s the southern girl in me, but geez, it’s your hosts you’re addressing, folks. People you agree with on practically every other issue and thought well of two months ago. There are many brands of decaf that are just as tasty as the real thing; consider trying them.

Michael in MI – unambitious web developer with a home office, here.

Laura on January 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Go Get’em Fred!

Hey Allah- is this a photo of you 2nd from the left??? Are you David All? Just wonderin’.
http://townhall.com/blog/g/81ac4a41-8779-4e42-b890-84c987b517dd

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Michael in MI

But while you’re sleeping I’m in the middle work. Some of us don’t get home until after 4 am. Then back to work at 8:30 am. We just work different hours. I go in at 10 pm (weekends) and get home around 5 am. During the day I sleep and read blogs.

Capitalist Infidel on January 3, 2008 at 12:22 PM

So, there’s some question on a story from Politico about Fred Thompson? Say it ain’t so.

Really, have you missed the stories that Politico has run so far on Fred, faking quotes, making up events, fictionalizing news, and generally damaging any reputation they might have?

And you say they might not have gotten the story right this time? Why would this time be any different. Politico hasn’t gotten a story right on Fred from the get-go.

I suppose you could think that they were “due” and bound to get one right, just by pure chance… but that would be the only reason to expect decent reporting on Thompson from Politico at this point.

You think Politico invented the advisors it quoted wholesale? Is the media conspiracy to get Thompson now that far down the road towards Trutherism?

Allahpundit on January 3, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Well Allah, before I’m going to credit Politico with the ability for factual reporting and good newsgathering skills; have they redacted or repaired the fire Chief hat story that they mangled? I forgot their other story, but they’ve botched 3-4 Fred stories so far if I’ve been paying attention.

Shouldn’t they have to get one right before I simply assume that they’re credible? Or is being a blog enough to get credibility even if you consistently mess up your stories?

gekkobear on January 3, 2008 at 12:22 PM

How about this as far as how Poltico deals with it’s sources:

On March 22, 2007, Politico writer Ben Smith erroneously reported via blog[9] that John Edwards would suspend his presidential campaign in the wake of his wife’s cancer recurrence, a claim that was headlined by the Drudge Report and cable news channels including MSNBC.[10] Smith later apologized for relying on a single anonymous source for the story.

It seems like Fox News and Several others are leading for a McCain endorsement rather than a conservative.

Egfrow on January 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Okay, lunch over. Time to listen to Rush and back to work. Hopefully back later…

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Maybe you could come back tonight after work. I’ll be here, looking for another party!

RushBaby on January 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Shouldn’t they have to get one right before I simply assume that they’re credible? Or is being a blog enough to get credibility even if you consistently mess up your stories?

gekkobear on January 3, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Well said gekkobear. Apparently, truth isn’t a priority in cyberspace.

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM

So if that is the case I will vote for McCain. That is the situation we face in the next week.

William Amos on January 3, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Ouch, I hate every bit of it…..but agreed!

conservnut on January 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Well said gekkobear. Apparently, truth isn’t a priority in cyberspace.

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM

No wonder their influence is limited.

thirteen28 on January 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM

I still hae hope for Fred. Maybe enough voters will pay attention long enough to make a good choice.

Remember in 2004 Howard Dean lead going into Iowa before Kerry stormed ahead

William Amos on January 3, 2008 at 12:38 PM

I’m not voting for Huck because I find Ace’s argument persuasive: if we’re going to have an unqualified liberal in the WH, let the Dems take the blame for it. And because as a Christian, he offends me with his pandering, identity politics; using my faith as a tool. It has nothing to do with Republican bashing and everything to do with Pastor Holiday Inn Express himself.

Laura on January 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Well said Laura. Well said indeed.

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Thank God no. What a fairy.

Egfrow on January 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Nail on head. Sad really. Really sad.

Griz on January 3, 2008 at 12:42 PM

GO Rudy.

Halley on January 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Rush says the quitter story if phoney.

Again, the only HotAir inflating Allahpundit’s falsehood is “reporter” rumor.

maverick muse on January 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM

No. AllahP is the “unknown” unidentified/under cover source.

KelliD on January 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Entelechy on January 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Michael in MI,

I feel so much better about my life now….;-)

Ex-tex,

That can’t possibly be Allah, the guy is smiling.

You guys can complain about Allah now, but when our nominee is picked and we are head to head with the she-monster, then you will thank all that is holy and good that we have Allah on our side. Hillary will never know what hit her.

Rightwingsparkle on January 3, 2008 at 1:40 PM

I’m not voting for Huck if he is the nominee, but it certainly isn’t b/c of Republican-bashing from some almost unknown, anonymous blogger code-named “AllahPundit”. Please.

RW Wacko on January 3, 2008 at 1:41 PM

If I have missed where Michelle Malkin and the HotAir staff have raised criticisms and worries about Fred Thompson’s policies, or have just expressed a lack of trust on something, please link to the post where this occurs and I will acknowledge my error in missing them.

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:35 AM

You can’t really look to blogs as being neutral. As much as they like to refer to themselves as the “new media”, all blogs are nothing more than glorified, private, message boards. Almost all the blogs I read have a disdain/contempt for their commentators. Some don’t have comments at all, most have an open registration period that’s like a small window, and I guess it’s supposed to make those “lucky” enough to make it feel special. But very few bloggers bother reading their own comments, or responding to them. Whatever.

This isn’t really a news site, and most of what is posted here is done so by someone writing under an anonymous pen name. Some people may know who AP is, but I don’t have the first clue who he is. He’s apparently here to keep the page hits up.

It’s all opinion. And MM and Hot Air don’t like Fred and think his supporters are delusional.

I wouldn’t take it too seriously. We’ll see tonight how well Fred does.

Jaynie59 on January 3, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I really don’t understand the spittle-flecked rage at AP on the Thompson posts.

Speaking for myself, I’m just sick to fscking death of the pompous, juvenile, dishonest snark.

I mean, the comparison to Trutherism: for chrissakes, the campaign denies the story. You don’t think that there’s maybe a little bit of a difference between, on the one hand, questioning the veracity of an anonymously-sourced article, from a media outfit known to engage in occasional hackery, on the basis of specific denials from identified campaign officials and the candidate himself; and, on the other, wild-assed conspiracy theories with no basis in fact about how the Jooos brought down the World Trade Center?

Just a little? Maybe? Seems to me there’s some daylight between the two, and that the people impugned as indulging in something akin to Trutherism have cause to regard Allah as the most recent example of John Gabriel’s Greater Internet F*ckwad Theory. He’s behaving like a punk and pissing people off; hence the anger.

Centerfire on January 3, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Frankly, I am at a loss to see how anyone could call the video disappointing, painful, or anything of that nature. I saw an honest man simply state the facts, easily, reasonably, and in a straight-forward fashion. In other words, the guy is a grown-up, and, to me, a refreshing change.

The huge surprise to many who are too close to Washington is that a politician can actually speak reasonably about what could happen if the voters overwhelmingly choose to support another candidate. Apparently, if a candidate doesn’t lie and say that they are sure of winning and that losing never enters their mind, they don’t have the “fire.”

That’s complete garbage. Think of Washington when he refused to become King after the Revolutionary War was over. Nowadays, he would be described, not as a public servant willing to serve if called upon, but as a miserable loser and, by nowadays definition, a poor leader without any “fire in his belly.”

Not saying that Fred is Washington, but the parallel of offering oneself for public service is there and on display if one only chooses to open his eyes. The MSM, scared of Fred, spins it the other way — a very slick way to dismiss a candidate and a built-in excuse not to cover him. That people actually buy this line so easily proves the power of the MSM to construct the arguments, and its enduring capacity to engender paralyzing cynicism and depression in the electorate.

The issue is not whether Fred wants to be President: of course he does, else he would never had put himself through this. The story here is the media bias and blackout on Fred! and what this proves about the candidate.

Aardvark on January 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM

when our nominee is picked and we are head to head with the she-monster, then you will thank all that is holy and good that we have Allah on our side.

I would agree with that.

Hillary will never know what hit her.

Rightwingsparkle on January 3, 2008 at 1:40 PM

If AP would quit downplaying his own influence, I would believe that, too!

RushBaby on January 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM

You guys can complain about Allah now, but when our nominee is picked and we are head to head with the she-monster, then you will thank all that is holy and good that we have Allah on our side.

You’re assuming that he won’t have convinced us that HA has jumped the shark by then.

Centerfire on January 3, 2008 at 2:31 PM

It’s all opinion. And MM and Hot Air don’t like Fred and think his supporters are delusional.

I wouldn’t take it too seriously. We’ll see tonight how well Fred does.

Jaynie59 on January 3, 2008 at 2:14 PM

ya think.

I prefer this kind of reasoning from By Pejman Yousefzadeh @ Redstate:
Remember: We are not voting for “Best Campaign.” We are voting for the person who would be the best President if forced to walk into the Oval Office tomorrow and assume the responsibilities of the Presidency instantly. And I have a feeling that if more people voted on that basis, Fred Thompson’s campaign would be running away with popular support.

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Remember: We are not voting for “Best Campaign.” We are voting for the person who would be the best President if forced to walk into the Oval Office tomorrow and assume the responsibilities of the Presidency instantly.

Too bad those types are in the minority. Most people are voting (and writing about) who has the best campaign.

thirteen28 on January 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM

I prefer this kind of reasoning from By Pejman Yousefzadeh @ Redstate:
Remember: We are not voting for “Best Campaign.” We are voting for the person who would be the best President if forced to walk into the Oval Office tomorrow and assume the responsibilities of the Presidency instantly. And I have a feeling that if more people voted on that basis, Fred Thompson’s campaign would be running away with popular support.

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 2:37 PM

I agree. It’s kind of weird how everyone seems to think a candidate should be a rock star with groupies all over them all the time. Some of these bloggers are going out of their way to make Fred sound pathetic. What do they expect? For crowds to be cheering every time Fred walks into a diner? Most people don’t act that way. It’s “painful” for real people to act like real people?

Sheesh.

Jaynie59 on January 3, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Check out Numbers USA’s latest report card of the candidates on illegal immigration.
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop1.html

For some reason Michelle references this as:

Choose or lose: NumbersUSA, the candidates, and immigration
By Michelle Malkin • January 3, 2008 10:52 AM You know how I feel about the GOP’s open borders drag queens. Roy Beck of the grass-roots immigration watchdog, NumbersUSA, weighs in with an Iowa caucus-day e-mail missive today on the presidential race and immigration. GOP Rep. Duncan Hunter wins the group’s highest overall rating, and deservedly so. Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney earn the next-highest rating.

WHOA!! That’s NOT what I see at all. What up???

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 3:06 PM

WHOA!! That’s NOT what I see at all. What up???

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 3:06 PM

It doesn’t matter! Blogs have no influence, remember?

So what if what she posted a lie completely untrue statement? It’s all in the commentary and opinion value!

Get with the program!

wccawa on January 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Politico, isn’t this the outfit that claimed they had it on good authority that John Edwards would drop out of the race because of his wife’s cancer? Makes one wonder.

hpk1942 on January 3, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Allahpundit @9:16

“Just because he [Fred] denies it [lie] doesn’t mean it isn’t true. You think Politico invented the advisors it quoted wholesale?”

Name the so-called “advisors” or discount the rumor.

Fred said it was all whole cloth = total fabrication.

maverick muse on January 3, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Whoa. One of the Thompson volunteers was watching Fox News pan through Huck’s headquarters. He sez (not me) that he recognized two of Fred Phelps’ daughters manning phones for Huck!

I am qualifying this by saying it is COMPLETELY unconfirmed. Anyone else have a take on this? Did anyone else see that?

wccawa on January 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Thompson: “Let’s Go Out And Shock The World”

P. James Moriarty on January 3, 2008 at 4:55 PM

wccawa on January 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Dang it!! I keep forgetin’ that truth don’t matter.
Thanks fer reminding me wccawa!

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM

WHOA!! That’s NOT what I see at all. What up???

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Michelle is quoting NumbersUSA and she is quoting exactly the update that I got from NumbersUSA yesterday, so there is nothing up.

doriangrey on January 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM

The Politico thing? Allah? It’s called “dirty campaign tricks.” Fred has said he never privately or publicly divulged any of his thinkings of “leaving early” should he not make it well at the Iowa caucus. This is from Fred in an interview with Sean Hannity about 5 minutes ago right now.

Be it for some bloggers to naively think that Fred will call it “quits” and get out. A lot of hot air, I’d say. Let’s not be that gullible, folks.

Kokonut on January 3, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Jaynie59 on January 3, 2008 at 2:58 PM

I agree. Fred’s not from their hometown. Most “humble” country folk don’t gush like Hollywood fanclub geisers when the camera’s rolling. If a celebrity walks into a small town diner, I’d expect the residents to whisper about it, faintly abashed to stand up and cheer for a stranger. Some people do NOT like drawing attention to themselves or to others, but were taught to go about their own business in their own way as is their habit. Call them prims or old fashioned, but don’t equate their reactions with outsider preconceptions of behavioral analysis. They may or may not simply be reserved. As homogenous as America is, there’s still a difference between big city and small town.

Being a television star does not make a candidate cuddly across the board. The very character that Fred Thompson plays is basically his public persona, an extremely intelligent, wisened tough guy who knows the law. Fred is not a character actor any more than Sean Connery–they project themselves convincingly as they are, not as anyone else might request.

maverick muse on January 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM

All things considered, what the media doesn’t want is another Republican president unless it is a RINO like Huckabee. So they will do anything to besmich any conservative Republican and in my opinion, Fred is the most conservative of the candidates.

docdave on January 3, 2008 at 5:59 PM

Fred’s fate doesn’t turn on Allah’s keyboard, or Michelle’s, or Politico’s.
Limerick on January 3, 2008 at 10:18 AM

No, that is true. Fred’s fate turns on me, csdeven. I am single handedly responsible for the 2 million Fred raised over the holidays.

/s/

csdeven on January 3, 2008 at 6:13 PM

Wow nice thread example of a party eating its own. Reminscent of the Dem hysterics beginning in Nov 2000 and lasting for a few years.

Criticizing Fred “round here” is akin to tossing a live grenade into a porta potty.

Bradky on January 3, 2008 at 6:20 PM

All things considered, what the media doesn’t want is another Republican president unless it is a RINO like Huckabee. So they will do anything to besmich any conservative Republican and in my opinion, Fred is the most conservative of the candidates.

docdave on January 3, 2008 at 5:59 PM

They’ll settle for McVain though, since they know he’s got the knife in his hand and has no reservations about plunging it into conservative backs.

thirteen28 on January 3, 2008 at 6:43 PM

They’ll settle for McVain though, since they know he’s got the knife in his hand and has no reservations about plunging it into conservative backs.

thirteen28 on January 3, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Sounds like the moderates/indpendents are voicing their considerable influence on what they deem acceptable from the GOP.

Bradky on January 3, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Whining isn’t putting me in my place. You have no more reason to believe Thompson than Politico. You’re the one who’s flailing here, not me.

Here’s a better idea. If you don’t like the Fred posts or my posts generally, don’t read them. Take a couple days off, in other words.

Allahpundit on January 3, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Done. Bookmark removed for this place and michellemalkin.com. You’re not creating a constructive atmosphere for dialogue. I’ll go elsewhere.

Go ahead and delete this account.

Weber48IDA on January 3, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Weber48IDA on January 3, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Weber…if you do happen to come back in and read this, please reconsider. We have our slapfights, our echo chambers, unaccountably moody and irritable threads, and so on. Sort of a cross section of human nature, actually! But one thing we don’t have is cliques among the commenters. There IS a place for constructive dialogue here.

Stay, and reach out. Say more, not less.

RushBaby on January 3, 2008 at 10:36 PM

By Michelle Malkin • January 3, 2008 10:52 AM You know how I feel about the GOP’s open borders drag queens. Roy Beck of the grass-roots immigration watchdog, NumbersUSA, weighs in with an Iowa caucus-day e-mail missive today on the presidential race and immigration. GOP Rep. Duncan Hunter wins the group’s highest overall rating, and deservedly so. Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney earn the next-highest rating.

WHOA!! That’s NOT what I see at all. What up???

Ex-tex on January 3, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Unless there is some weighting system to each of the categories, here is what I counted for Thompson/Romney:

Thompson: Excellent (6), Good (8), Fair (1), Poor (1)
Romney: Excellent (5), Good (5), Fair (1), Poor (3), Bad (2)

I don’t see how that makes Thompson’s and Romney’s ratings equivalent on illegal immigration. But, like I said, there may be weighting of each category.

As far as which categories that Romney is better than Thompson, there are only 3, 2 of them being EXCELLENT vs GOOD and the last being GOOD vs Fair.

As far as which categories that Thompson is better than Romney, there are 7, including 2 where Thompson is GOOD vs Romney is bad.

I’d like to know how they came up with an equivalent rating for Thompson and Romney, because just looking at the chart, it seems clear that Thompson has a much better rating than Romney.

Michael in MI on January 3, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Can we now get a debate with less than 25 people on stage?

- The Cat

MirCat on January 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM

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