New Jihad Watch: Why is the left silent about “honor killings?”
posted at 8:31 am on January 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Robert wrote this show to ask why the left is silent about the killing of Aqsa Parvez, but her “honor ” murder has apparently already been eclipsed by the double “honor” murder of Amina and Sarah Said. As I write this her father and killer is still on the loose. And the left is still silent about the killers who are in our midst.
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Lawrence O’Donnell already told you.
JiangxiDad on January 3, 2008 at 8:38 AM
Same reason they’re silent about this.
JiangxiDad on January 3, 2008 at 8:41 AM
Islam’s inventor attracted the dregs of humanity to champion his cause by creating a religion that reverses the moral compass. Angry, frustrated Muslim fathers can kill their children, and their god tells them it’s OK. Where is the outrage from Muslim clerics telling their followers not to repeat this type of thing? Too late for the young girls in Texas, that’s for sure.
Islam also reverses the biblical idea of creation with man and woman being one and equal, and perverts God’s plan by giving homicidal maniacs the right to kill women since they are of no value. I’m sure the Liberal mind can justify this as a pubescent-birth abortion.
Hening on January 3, 2008 at 8:51 AM
It is a matter of moral relativism. The left is tolerant.
TheSitRep on January 3, 2008 at 8:58 AM
Because talking about the fact that there is a real threat reminds the sheeple in this country that we have to be serious about these maniacs. That’s likely to be good for Republicans. Democrats… not so much. And they’d rather ignore the threat than ever “help” a conservative cause by agreeing.
Besides, if we ignore them, they’ll just go away. Right?
Sugar Land on January 3, 2008 at 9:08 AM
I just searched the most offensive liberal sites (dailykos, huffpo, dhimmiunderground) and NOT ONE MENTION of this. Utterly amazing.
pullingmyhairout on January 3, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Liberals will NEVER champion for muslim women’s rights out of fear of reprisals from muslim men. Liberals have no backbone, that’s what makes them liberals in the first place.
Swinehound on January 3, 2008 at 9:09 AM
Very nicely done.
awake on January 3, 2008 at 9:15 AM
From a left-wing point of view, honour killings don’t fit the plan, and so they don’t exist. It’s not that the left wing believes that they do not happen; instead, the left wing unthinks them.
Apeking on January 3, 2008 at 9:18 AM
The fact that the left has remained silent on three homicides, out of the mere 15,000 murders every year in America, even though one of these murders didn’t actually happen in America, proves that they are, umm, well I don’t know what that proves. Something sinister, no doubt.
Snark aside, isn’t it a little ridiculous to be criticizing somebody for failing to condemn murder? Can’t we assume that most good people are against murder, regardless of motive?
Will HotAir now be in the business of posting on every American murder victim, or just the religous based killings? Why is HotAir silent about “jealousy murders” or “rape-murders” or “robbery gone awry murders?” You get the idea.
Otherwise you end up with slightly overexcited comments like this:
Bad news buddy, angry people have been killing innocent people long before Islam, and will continue to do so long after it’s gone.
I mean, really?
e-pirate on January 3, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Perhaps we should all start by leading by example. You, Swinehound, sound like an excellent champion for muslim women’s rights. What have you done to further this righteous cause, beyond posting “liberals are pussies” on this blog?
e-pirate on January 3, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Simple answer: Cultural sensitivity.
Why, we can’t criticize other cultures, that would be politically incorrect, which is perhaps considered the main sin on the left side of politics.
It’s perfectly alright to wish for the death of backwards redneck conservative Republicans - because they’re our people from our culture. Plus, you know, they’re the political opposition, and there’s nothing more important than eliminating the political opposition!
Seixon on January 3, 2008 at 9:23 AM
That’s right, when you visit the left-o-sphere, there’s nothing on health care or Iraq or the economy, it’s all complaining about political incorrectness and wishing death on rednecks.
e-pirate on January 3, 2008 at 9:30 AM
e-pirate,
It is obvious that this is your first day on the planet so I will spend a few seconds to explain how the world works for you.
The point of this thread:
That leftist dominated media under the shackles of PC are biased and tend to mislead people. Case in point, on JihadWatch this morning, Robert Spencer shows that a multiple murder by a non-Muslim is getting immediate mainstream coverage in the papers, but nothing has been mentioned of the Dallas murders.
It really is no different than the MSM coverage of the Iraq war. When things were bad, Brian Williams and every paper featured the story front and center every day. Now after the surge success, the seemed to have dropped most of the coverage. That’s odd, don’t you think? Or don’t you?
Do you understand it yet, or do you need some more clarification?
awake on January 3, 2008 at 9:30 AM
They always say the same thing . . . ‘it’s cultural and has nothing to do with the religion’.
Well, this is what multiculturalists get. You can not just take the good of a culture and say that you are culturally diverse. If you are diverse, you get the bad and the good. This is why ‘diversity’ as an end means of societal actualization is a bad idea. Diversity in and of itself is NOT good. Honor killings are going to become commonplace in this ‘cultural melting pot’ of America. How people deal with it will be interesting.
ThackerAgency on January 3, 2008 at 9:37 AM
e-pirate
I believe one reason that we choose to highlight the implications of these killings that are connected to islamic beliefs is simply because this is an ongoing challenge in this new century. Most knowlegeable people would agree that Islamicfascism is a dangerous movement that must be watched, reported on, and stopped before it assumes a more powerful role in our country. We do not want the issues that are beginning to flood Europe to happen here. To observe how some members of the journalistic and blogging communities choose to ignore these connections is truly worthy of reporting.
Knowledge of evil is the first weapon against it. They choose to ignore it at our own peril.
hoosierken on January 3, 2008 at 9:39 AM
I keep the women that I know informed about islam’s teachings and liberals.
Oh, and thanks for the “liberals are pussies” line. It is truly is more accurate.
Swinehound on January 3, 2008 at 9:39 AM
Hening on January 3, 2008 at 9:46 AM
Great vid! And it’s not just caring about women. The parts of the Right not religiously committed to the brutal homophobia of the past can win over gay people by actually caring about the fate of gays in muslim cultures. I would go so far as to argue that the only way for the West to avoid war with muslim countries is help create large minorities of internal enemies to traditional Islam within muslim countries. The internal enemies will rewrite the Koran faster than any liberal Supreme Court justice has rewritten the Constitution, and we will have “liberal Islam” which will have many problems, but at least it won’t be trying kill us.
Gays are the obvious base for internal opposition to traditional islam, as they can’t be co-opted to fill the religiously devout submissive role that some islamic women learn to like.
thuja on January 3, 2008 at 9:48 AM
I have a great way of getting this message about Islam across to people. I say Buddhism was started by Prince concerned by suffering and Christianity was started by a normal guy. On the other hand, Islam is what you would get if you imagine a religion founded by the head of the Crips gang. Mohammed was a bandit in his life.
I’ve had great success with the people I sit beside in airplanes telling the facts as above. One was a freshman boy at Annapolis. It’s scary the PC nonsense being taught at our military institutes. He seemed to react the most negative of any person to my anti-Islam evangelism. But then again he had motion sickness, which doesn’t seem to be compatible with a career in the Navy.
thuja on January 3, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Wow, thanks!
Three questions on this point:
1) You’re complaining about some kind of media blackout, but in the original HotAir thread on the Dallas killings, Bryan linked WFAA-TV, the Star-Telegram, the Washington Times, CBS11TV, and Dallasnews.com.
2) In his video, Robert Spencer wasn’t complaining about the lack of mainstream media coverage, he was complaining about the silence on Daily Kos.
3) I thought the point of this thread wasn’t “media bias!” but to spread awareness of Islam’s treatment of women? A more cynical person than I would suggest complaining the incident didn’t appear on Daily Kos would be using this story to bash liberals, not to further the cause of Muslim women’s rights. But what do I know, it’s my first day on the planet ;)
e-pirate on January 3, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Yes.
If that were true, wouldn’t it be happening, I don’t know, hundreds of times a day around the world? Or are you suggesting it IS happening hundreds of times a day, and nobody’s reporting it?
Last but not least, I think it’s hard to say that this will go on unchallenged. The guy from Dallas will have to report to a higher power than Islam, that being the state of Texas. And he’ll deservedly face the death penalty. I suspect that will be one hell of a deterrent to his neighbor down the street, won’t it?
e-pirate on January 3, 2008 at 10:43 AM
. And he’ll deservedly face the death penalty. I suspect that will be one hell of a deterrent to his neighbor down the street, won’t it?
What world do you live in? Death is no deterrent to his “neighbor” if they are radical Islam. In fact, they see it as an honor.
Good grief.
And do not believe for one second that if these were “honor killings” done by Christians, the left would be all over it.
The simple fact is that to the left, the right cannot be right about radical Islam. No matter the vast amount of evidence that we are right.
We fight an evil that the left refuses to acknowledge. Which is the point of this post.
Rightwingsparkle on January 3, 2008 at 10:57 AM
It is happening hundreds of times a day, and no, no one is reporting it.
Under Sharia law, its essentialy LEGAL, so not reported. There is in some countries a FINE attatched, kind of equivalent to Drunk Driving here in America… which once again does not get reported…
Its only in Western countries that it is reported on, as we consider it murder under the law.
Romeo13 on January 3, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I don’t see your point. It is more efficient to try to accomplish two goals at the same time. Why wouldn’t a conservative concerned about the fate of Islamic woman also want to contrast his concern with the left’s indifference? Furthermore, the left, in almost every argument, tries to conflate their concerns about allegedly oppressed classes with their claimed moral superiority to the right.
To be clear, I really do mean in “almost every argument” in the last sentence. It is not meant as hyperbole. That the left resorts to such a tactic almost always does show a intellectual impoverishment. Conservatives have a larger menu of arguments.
thuja on January 3, 2008 at 11:00 AM
http://sugiero.blogspot.com/2008/01/britain-66000-women-and-girls-have.html
Just to give you idea of the scope of the problem, and the Western medias lack of outrage. AND THIS IS IN ENGLAND!
Romeo13 on January 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Short answer: No.
Long answer: The neighbour will take the girls back to wherever and kill them there without recourse. And nary a peep from the militant feminists.
Because why would militant feminists in America care if they honor kill their children in other countries, female circumcize their girls, stop girls from going to school once they have their menstruation, send their children to be the suicide bombs, arrange their 14 year old girls to marry 40 year old men?
That’s the part the bugs me - militant feminists brag about being so “ear to the ground” about women’s rights. Where are they when stuff like this happens?
Disclaimer: I am a feminist just not what would define a militant feminist - ones who say “men are idiots”, “women are the bestest ever”, “men and women are exactly, precisely the same and can do exactly the same jobs”, blah, blah blah. If you disagree with them, you’re just an idiot who doesn’t understand.
mjk on January 3, 2008 at 11:05 AM
We’re silent on honor killings because all cultures are equal!!
Sincerely,
The Left
thirteen28 on January 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Depends on the meaning of ‘good people’. To paraphrase:
/Snark aside, isn’t it a little ridiculous to be criticizing Germans for failing to condemn murder of Jews? Can’t we assume that most good people are against murder, regardless of motive?/ end of paraphrase-
One thing I hated about living in Dearborn was the inevitable yearly honor killings in the local news which were not reported with the same understanding as if a headless torso was found behind a porno shop. Community leaders did not as a group stand to condemn the killings. There were not special counselers sent to local schools, or training sessions for students to emphasize the evil of these killings and the necessity to notify authorities of fellow students at risk.
It was reported as a bad thing on the same order as a local traffic accident. Fearful of offending the sensibilities of multicultural forces who show up on election day, the folk at the top did not want to touch this very serious issue.
That is how evil continues, when a community looks the other way lest they be required to get involved and verbally beat the crap out of these so-called assimilated Americans so they understand it will not be tolerated. There is no remorse in the families of the killers, just anger at our system for not understanding their needs
entagor on January 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM
The reason why the left says nothing is that they hate Christians. Radical Muslims hate Christians. So… the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
In the end it’s all about hating Christians.
Mojave Mark on January 3, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Where are the fkng Feministas????? o yeah…it’s the Christian ‘issue’.
Some sites…however interesting & relavent,
fail to understand the GRAVE differences between ol’mo,
& The Messiah…{a pedophile-camel-poker who demands death in horrifying ways! & teaches taqiya or the One who taught Peace, then gave up His Life to rescue the Lost}.
The problem w/ atheism is that is doesn’t differentiate between ‘Myths’.
lobosan5 on January 3, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Why would this be reported in a Muslim country? It isn’t news there. It isn’t always reported in a non-Muslim country.
This guy just might get a good Lefty lawyer and some wind behind him from the Liberal press. Don’t plug the chair in just yet.
The Muslim neighbor could be more inspired by this than fear killing his daughter since she doesn’t follow Islamic/Semitic cultural norms. Nice time for a Muslim cleric to get up and say how this is not part of Islam, but I don’t expect that soon since it is part of Islam.
Hening on January 3, 2008 at 12:35 PM
You are right, but let’s make sure we take the “left hating Christians” aspect in a non-paranoid way. Hating Christianity is not the primary goal of the left. It’s just issues on which a certain definition of Christianity has fought a certain leftism. We need to convince the left that some other struggles are more important. We need to make the abortion and gay struggles less important overall so we can unite against a common enemy. I think we can convince the left of the benefits of Christian tinge to our culture and that there are greater enemies out there. It is a challenge to communicate these values to that moderate part of the left that will listen, but it is vital that we do.
thuja on January 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM
The Left is currently operating its own church. It’s called the Episcopal Church, and if they have their way it won’t be Christian for very long. It actually makes Rowan the AB/C look a wee bit Conservative.
Hening on January 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM
The left is not only silent, evidently they actively defend their silence by making grotesque comparisons and excuses. They’re lower than whale shit.
This case and poor Aqsaa are PRECISELY the kind of stories the national press waters at the mouth over - a tragic end of beautiful young girls, in this case murderer still on the loose and, even more tragically, the father of the two girls.
But he’s a Muslim, so I guess the MSM isn’t about sensationalism after all - they’re about anti-Westernism. And cowardice, and that old journalistic classic, afflicting the weak and comforting the thug.
But the left sure can shower us with excuses and distractions, can’t they?
Merovign on January 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Seixon on January 3, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Seixon nailed it. It’s all about their PC, multi-culti, one-world, one culture, no borders, anti-Capitalistic, anti-American, anti-nationalism/patriotism of any kind, idealistic/Utopic socialism. This is their mega agenda. Everything, large/small, which interferes with it, is either berated/ignored or litigated.
Note that I did not list secularism - surprisingly they overlook the most archaic, barbaric, criminal means, even if executed in the name of bizarre religious norms, to advance their grand agenda.
Of note, that all these elements are their ‘zenith’ to our ‘abyss’. Therefore the leftie media, the UN and the other leftie world bodies remain silent, if not critical of us.
Surprisingly it’s not fear which drives them, though the wild ones would kill them first because they thoroughly disagree with their laissez-faire lifestyle.
Myriad discusstions with European, otherwise intelligent acquaintances, prove all this over, and over, and over. Until one day it will be too late, or something shakes them, and us, into reality. Survival is a powerful thing, when the threat gets very close. We can’t let our guard down, regardless of their forces. They are definitely, on the ideas field, on the side of the bad ones.
Entelechy on January 3, 2008 at 2:18 PM
I broadly spread the word and recommend reading the Koran on all fitting occasions. To date all ‘appearent’ lefties have dismissed reading the Koran as childish, silly and not to be considered.
allrsn on January 3, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Nothing I can write about here, since I plan on doing it again.
thejackal on January 3, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Dishonor. Who was dishonored, Islam or the fathers narrow mind?
The nail was hit when the issue of Islam comes to the for in instances such as dishonor killings or disrupting flights. Then Islamic leaders claim the uninformed are paranoid. The fact is that such barbarism, which is the Sunni belief, is OK and they are going to force it upon everyone and we are going to like it or face the consequences.
Such actions are identical to the “Black Panther” movements. Using the good book to provide a reason to do something that is not generally accepted by the majority gives followers a sense of entitlement their actions are OK because it is their religion. If others do not agree with their religion they can use their race and claim the opposition is bigoted which stings more than not understanding their religion.
There is a reason separation of church and state exists other that the constitutional argument. Religion is a personal belief that is not shared by everyone.
That is why in bars mixoligists claim the two subjects that are not part of the establishments fare-politics and religion. Keep it to yourself rather than stir up trouble with the populous while your mind is in an altered state.
MSGTAS on January 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM
“There is no remorse in the families of the killers, just anger at our system for not understanding their
needs“culture”. — amendment to the posting by entagor on January 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM——————————-
Brings to mind the quote from British General Sir Charles James Napier regarding the Indian practice of suttee:
“You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”
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When folks emigrate to this country, they need to accept our culture as well: they need to acknowledge the primacy of WESTERN law, not Sharia. We do NOT accept that women have half the value of men. We do NOT accept that the greatest commandment is to bring the world to Islam; we reject the preaching of Islamist imams that any methods including violence and terrorism are forgivable, necessary, even noble, for the purpose of establishing Islam and the dominance of the Caliphate worldwide.
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I also believe it’s high time our government should screen prospective immigrants a little more carefully. Muslims should be rejected. Islam is is not just religion in a spiritual, commune-with-God sense; it considers itself to be a “complete way of life”. If you are Muslim you are required to follow Islam’s laws regarding business, inheritance, public order, morality, you name it. Sharia REQUIRES lashing of men, stoning of women, for adultery. Sharia stipulates that the rod you beat your wife with should be no bigger in diameter than your thumb. Sharia REQUIRES that “pagans” be converted or killed. Jews and Christians have a choice: a heavy tax (jizya) and “humiliation” — severe restrictions on how they worship, they must wear distinctive dress, bow to all Muslims (their superiors), they can’t build new churches or temples, they must get permission to repair existing churches/temples, etc, etc. Or they can choose to convert to Islam or to die. (PS- the Quran congratulates itself for the “mercy” it shows to “people of the book”… Don’t you just love diversity, now?) Islam is incompatible with Western precepts. Islam is incompatible with democracy, with freedom of speech, freedom of worship –the whole Bill of Rights; it doesn’t tolerate scientific inquiry, any kind of representational art, nor capitalism, nor our government “of, by, and for the people”.
A_Nonny_Mouse on January 4, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Why? Because the Left’s actual motivation is a hate of self, of the West.
Tzetzes on January 6, 2008 at 9:39 AM