Spirit of 1776 on January 2, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Sorry I misunderstood your support – on second look it was clear that you weren’t advocating it yourself.

Yes, I am advocating that. This is not a no harm, no foul situation since taxpayers are stuck picking up the medical costs of the uninsured, and I think that if we don’t do something we will get stuck with some horrible Democrat version. I think at the very least we should be required to carry bare bones, catastrophic coverage.

I think we need to see how the Massachusetts plan works out as it is fully implemented. I realize that that MA is representative of every state, and every state would have a different plan, but it would be a useful guide.

If I could be convinced that there was another solution I’d certainly be open to it!

I just noticed your “previously” – that proves that your hosts have way more class than you do, repeatedly.

Entelechy on January 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Well, I didn’t really mean to say he was a jerk. But if I thought he was a jerk then I would probably have said it and it’s important to me that you know that I have the ability to be tough and say that he is a jerk – especially since I’ve previously indicated as such (him being a jerk, I mean). Thanks for pointing out my shortcomings in calling AP a jerk.

Besides, “hosts” don’t insult their “guests”. Unless, of course, they’re a “jerk”.

Weber48IDA
“Huckabee ’08″

Well said. We can get stuck…or we can be proactive

I’m not advocating that, I’m merely saying I think it may have a general election impact.

I don’t understand what is so terrible about requiring people to carry health insurance, anymore than requirements that we have liability insurance on our cars or homes.

Is this a serious statement?

I would also add that I think the country is moving toward universal health care and I expect it’s just a matter of when. I’m not a fan of that, I just think it’s more likely than not long-term. So Romney’s plan in MA, if it doesn’t implode from cost before the election would also appeal to moderates who don’t want another government run policy, yet want universal access.

Spirit of 1776 on January 2, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Well said. We can get stuck with HillaryCare, EdwardsCare, ObamaCare or whatever Marxist policy they might force upon us, or we can be proactive and come up with an efficient free market alternative that does not include price-controls, taxing the American people to death, and so forth.

I don’t understand what is so terrible about requiring people to carry health insurance, anymore than requirements that we have liability insurance on our cars or homes.

Sweet.

I think I’m guilty of crimes against conservatism, don’t you?

Allahpundit on January 1, 2008 at 9:01 PM

No. You’re guilty of East Coast Elitism similar to the elitism practiced by Chris Matthews.

I think Fred Thompson is a good candidate. I want to hear what he has to say. I’ve given up on the MSM to help me do that. I’ve given up on HotAir to do it as well. I am trying tto decide between Romney and Thompson. All you do Allah is ppoison the well. At least have the cajones to admit it.

HotAir.com has become personal playground of Fred and Fred supporter bashing. Apparently anyone who supports a candidate not secretly endorsed by Allahpundit is guilty of being a cultist–deserving of snarky Fredhead! comments.

On the issue of Fred, Allah, you are a tool.

Terri on January 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Tancredo’s endorsement of him nullifies those critiques on immigration in the general. He would be the more conservative choice in the general and his record as governor speaks to that: denying illegals drivers licenses, and so on.

By his financial history I mean, he can point to turning the Olympics around financially, and I guess if he wanted to he could point to Bain. Either way though, it’s a strength in the general because his opponent would have no executive experience or budgetary executive experience to speak of. Consequently both would be strong points for him.

I would also add that I think the country is moving toward universal health care and I expect it’s just a matter of when. I’m not a fan of that, I just think it’s more likely than not long-term. So Romney’s plan in MA, if it doesn’t implode from cost before the election would also appeal to moderates who don’t want another government run policy, yet want universal access.

To answer your question Terri, how does Romney win in the general:

By attracting anti-illegal immigration democrats and by showcasing his strong financial history.

Spirit of 1776 on January 1, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Thanks Spirit for taking the time to respond. I will counter with this:

Romney doesn’t have any credibility on the illegal immigration issue. We can’t trust him. It is one of the issues he has flip flopped on. You mention his financial history. Do you mean in the private sector or public? His rivate sector record is good but his public record as govenor, not so much. Doesn’t he have some problems (history) with fees?

Spirit of 1776 on January 2, 2008 at 10:15 AM

George Washington was a RINO and not a true conservative Spirit of 1776. He spent all his time retreating where Fred would have simply roundhoused the British army and they’d flee after one battle. Washington had doubts about God, Fred knows only the Lord is superior to Fred Thompson. Washington was ashamed to be a bald man, Fred Thompson is proud of his cue-ball. Washington’s wife wasn’t as hot as Fred’s wife.

Forget Washington, he flipped flop on the US government. First he was for the Articles of Confederation and then he flip flopped and supported the Constitution. Fred has always supported the Constitution.

I’m with Fred! 1788! It’s a Fredalanche!

3) George Washington never had any “fire in the belly”

jgapinoy on January 2, 2008 at 8:30 AM

How many times do we have to go through this? It’s time for an education revolution. GW lost his first election. Did he say ‘well the people want something else’. No, he ran again and he lubricated the process with copious amounts of alcohol. Do you think that was because he just had extra lying around the house?

How about after he retired when he was called back up by the Adams administration? He embarrassed Pres. Adams by demanding more authority over the officer corp then the CinC himself. If you need me to keep going, I will, but the short of it is – GW was a truly great man and he imposed his will just as much as any man in our history, so can you please stop dragging him into Fred-threads. Thanks.

We are just not willin’ to just roll with whatever the leader tells us.

Who is? I haven’t seen one person for Rudy, Mitt, Huck, or McCain, that are willing to roll with whatever the leader says.

Sometimes in life ya gotta stand-up for your own point of view.
Ex-tex on January 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM

That’s commendable.

Reporting on a candidates failures isn’t the same as trying to destroy him. I think it’s commendable for people who oppose any candidate to stand up for their POV by expressing it. I don’t think it’s over for Fred, but I certainly do not see him getting first or second in Iowa. Irrespective of the polls, Fred just is not drawing the crowds that Huck and Mitt are. Respective of the polls, even if they are wrong, does anyone think they can be so wrong that Fred can pick up 20 points while Huck and Mitt lose 20 points?

Considering all that, it is more than likely that Fred will come in no better than a distance third. Admitting that is not the same as not standing up for a persons values. It’s just a rational assessment. Is it possible that he will show better? Sure it is. But history isn’t on the side of that happening.

Ex-tex on January 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM

I agree with you that Allah is a big boy. Its obvious he enjoys mixing it up and tweaking not just us Fred Heads but pretty much anyone else who comes here. I did think that saying he was a tool was going to far not to mention unfounded.

And while, far more in deeds than words, he, AP, has been a friend to us by giving us multiple posts a-day, it cannot be ignored that our activity here, doubtless also contributes significantly to the daily traffic count.

Also, Tex, I strongly agree with you that there does seem to be an effort to boost the Huckster, at the expense of Fred, though mainly in the MSM. Clearly they would love to see a southern socialist in Republican clothing, who will be easy to defeat, whose candidacy will splinter the party, split off evangelicals and freeze out the conservative movement altogether. By inferring an air of futility to Fred’s campaign they would kill it off early and put conservatism on the outside looking in for the foreseeable future. The stakes are indeed very high so the passion is understandable.

I haven’t noticed such a systematic effort to stomp out and destroy a candidate in my whole life as I’ve seen against Fred. I only lose my temper when folks INSIST on callin’ it over when it’s not.

It’s a vast dinosaur-media-Republican-elite-neocon-meddlers-scooby-doo-and-those-blasted-interlopers-anyone-but-Fred-screwing-his-own-pooch conspiracy I tell you!

This message paid for by blame society for your problems I’m with Fred! ’08!

People like Centerfire and Ex-Tex are feeding the image of the acolyte, the “Fredbot”. They’re overreacting to Allah’s cognitive dissonance. Not helpful.
MadisonConservative on January 1, 2008 at 9:16 PM

Now THAT’S where you’re wrong, mc. I think Frednecks like me have been very helpful.

We are just not willin’ to just roll with whatever the leader tells us. Sometimes in life ya gotta stand-up for your own point of view.

I don’t make attacks, I use folk’s OWN WORDS against’em. (except for tellin’ Tammy Bruce to bite me- and that was in a moment of extreme pique)

I haven’t noticed such a systematic effort to stomp out and destroy a candidate in my whole life as I’ve seen against Fred. I only lose my temper when folks INSIST on callin’ it over when it’s not.

As for us bein’ too hard on Allah, ya’ll are gittin’ a little too PC don’t ya think?? Allah’s a big boy and can TAKE as good as he GIVES. I’m pretty sure he can defend himself, if he fels the need. He don’t need you to do it for him.

As for you MadisonConservative-Bite Me.

And AP is a tool, always has been, and that’s why I like him.

AP is a tool

1) HA readers want Fred posts
2) is everyone who leans toward any candidate a “tool”?
3) George Washington never had any “fire in the belly”

dam well said.

1.) I saw this article yesterday and am happy Allah saw fit to feature it here.

2.) No. Allah is not a tool. While I can understand the frustration some might feel, I feel it too, such comments are unfair and won’t help anything.

3.) I’m not sure how much more can be said about the race in Iowa and our man Fred. I’ve got my fingers crossed. All we can do is wait and see.

John McCain: Amnesty, McCain-Feingold, Gang of 14, Disdain for “Christian Right”, no executive experience…
Rudy Giuliani: Socially Liberal, gun control, Bernard Kerik…
Mitt Romney: Health Care, flip flop on abortion…
Mike Huckabee: foreign policy ignorance, high tax/high spend nanny stater, no executive experience
Fred Thompson: Spencer Abraham, no executive experiene…
Michael in MI on January 1, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Don’t forget that Mitt the “lifelong hunter”…errr the “I went hunting once right before the election” Romney is a “gun grabber”.

2008 checklist:
No amnesty… check, 2nd Amendment… check, NOT a tax-n-spender… check, limited federal government… check, not neurotic about killing the enemies of our country… check

Sorry csdevin :(… still Fred.

Though in that case it should have been over a 300-foot-long tank full of mutant shark-o-diles.

With lasers.

…So the motorcycle jump is a metaphor for life. I get it now.

Though in that case it should have been over a 300-foot-long tank full of mutant shark-o-diles.

You may have a point. I’m not sure what JR uses. Maybe I’ll mention it to him.

Connie on January 2, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Judging by the fact that Ron Paul didn’t finish in first or second place I would guess that he already did something like that, but I could be wrong. Maybe Ronulans just didn’t make a serious effort to spam the poll because most of them lacked accounts and realized that their efforts would be easily dismissed by the non-member category.

Anyway, it’s all just speculation on my part.