(1) a homosexual, and
(2) pro choice

Doesn’t everyone know that already? No!

Would she really come out in support for a Reagan conservative? No!

My grousing about the “fire in the belly” MSM moron-meme is resonating* around the blogosphere. Michael Bates had talked about it here, and Anwyn linked me in this post. Even Allah admitted I had a point, but he’s such a……

BKennedy on January 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM

You might want to avoid saying I believe he can do no wrong, talking about me “worshipping perfection”, or claiming I blame Fred for nothing, right after quoting me saying:

even csdeven makes compelling arguments about Fred’s flaws in his history.

Nice job of spin, though.

I’m done with people like you. Like I said, even csdeven makes compelling arguments about Fred’s flaws in his history. You’re a media junkie. Deal with it.

MadisonConservative on January 1, 2008 at 2:26 AM

I’m done with people like you, who believe Saint Frederick the Thompson can do no wrong, that he hasn’t poisoned the well of his own campaign, and that it isn’t about “drooling over becoming president” it’s about “raising money so that you actually compete in the first place.”

You’re an insufferable Fredhead who ignores reality in favor of worshiping the avatar of perfection you’ve built Fred into. Deal with it. I don’t care about 30 second soundbites MC, fact is Fred has no money. If Fred has no money, he can’t even make 30 second soundbites.

You’re just another reason the blogosphere isn’t really taken seriously. Whenever your man is down “it’s the dinosaur media! It’s a right wing elite conspiracy! It’s The Creeper!” It’s like liberalism: blame society for everyone’s problems, never attrubute failure to yourself (or Fred’s failure to Fred) because there must be some other reason for it.

What is so darned embarrassing is that one of these people will be the next president of what once was (and possibly still is)the greatest nation on Earth.

I used to complain about not having enough choices. Now the truth seeps through. It’s quality, not quantity we’re short on. Maybe our problem is that our system pretty much limits our choices to politicians and politicians are always needing money which curries favors which leads to corruption. This is human nature and is always true, it only differs in degree. (Huckabee may have been a preacher but that only means that he’s had more experience at the game)

As far as I’m concerned he climbed that mountain long ago and all that is left for him to do is please jump off. If he wants a push I’d be glad to oblige him.

FloatingRock on December 31, 2007 at 7:07 PM

I understand. I don’t have nearly the problem with him as I do with some of his more “enthusiastic” supporters here.(wink) They could certainly cause a person to rethink.

BKennedy on December 31, 2007 at 9:39 PM

I’m sorry you place the ability to make commercials and sound bytes over positions on issues. I’m sorry you are stooping so low as to question the guy’s motives in marrying his wife because you are looking for something to hit him for. I’m sorry that you fail to realize how many lawyers on both sides of the scale are running for president, and how many have in the past.

Most of all, I’m sorry that some Americans have sunk to the point where because Obama has good looks and a nice and is more “energetic” in making commercials, that people consider him worthy of the highest office in the land. And I’m sorry that the primary quality considered of the leader of the free world is how well he advertises like a high school popularity contest.

I’m done with people like you. Like I said, even csdeven makes compelling arguments about Fred’s flaws in his history. You’re a media junkie. Deal with it.

It’s one thing to say Fred doesn’t want it, or that he lacks this mystical, unmeasurable quality of FiTB that only the Punditary class is mystically unable to discern.

It’s another thing to say that Fred hasn’t run a good campaign and capitalized on his natural advantages. A lot of his problems now are self-inflicted, I can’t deny. I’m not a Ronulan thinking that my guy’s gonna fix the whole world; I’m quite willing to admit that in retrospect, there have been some bad decisions made in rolling out the Fred campaign.

Against that, I’ll insist that campaigning is different from running the country (as the Clintons quickly discovered). And I still think that his heart and his mind are in the right place to lead the country. Even his errors and his squeeze plays–the current 17 minute youtube video among them–shows that he still believes in conservative principles and that’s what he’s falling back on to try to win. Maybe that’s naive, but it’s awfully inspiring.

I don’t think the Fred campaign is dead; after all, McCain won New Hampshire in 2000 and he’s not president yet. He’s hurting, and he’s behind, and he has a lot of catching up to do.

All the same, I think it’s worth investing the time and whatever credibility I have in the blogosphere to see is campaign get back on its feet and keep advocating conservative principles in the forefront in this election. Even Fredhater CSDeven has intimated that the other candidates have hewed to the conservative line a little more after the entrance of Teh Fred!

Look: I’ll admit that I like Romney a lot more after this election season than I did when it started. You guys can admit the same about Fred.

And you can also admit that there would be far worse Presidents.

Me? I’m just sorry the remainder of the GOP field, including your boy Romney, is so mind-bendingly horrible.

Can’t wait for you guys to drive the GOP over the cliff! Can’t wait for you to be relegated to the political margins, like you deserve!

at what stage are Giuliani supporters in?

the same stage as that ferret lover.

If there is a loser, it is your argument. You recite it like dogma. Add fascism, corporatism, and military-industrial complex and you’re essentially Ronulans. Oh, shoot, that’s supposed to be US, isn’t it? It’s US because…um…oh yeah, we don’t buy your repetitious sound bytes, and we support somebody who isn’t drooling to take the highest office in the land.

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 9:03 PM

I’m sorry that Fred drove his own campaign into the ground MadisonConservative. I’m sorry he can’t raise any money for crap, never used his initial buzz to his advantage, and now has to whine and beg for money to run his failed campaign.

Fred won a Senate office in Tennessee against a bad dem candidate, lawyers come a dime a dozen and lobbyists of Fred’s kind are among the lowest of life forms. Fred married a woman who loves fame, notoriety, and money, big surprise!

But as far as running a campaign? Fred’s a loser, and he’s the one to blame. Deal with it MadisonConservative. The only one to blame for Fred’s failure is Fred himself.

THIS is the fight. Right Now. And Rupert Murdoch knows it. If he doesn’t STOP FRED right here, right now- he’s afraid that we might elect a REAL CONSERVATIVE. WATCH FOX now til Thursday, they are gonna try to slam Fred in any way possible. Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 12:16 PM

FOXnews puts on two DEMOCRATS??? to talk about Fred’s demise. NO OPPOSING COMMENTS- Fair and Balanced my ass!

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 12:24 PM

You are on track. The MSM, which includes Murdoch these days, has decided to act as if Fred is unreal, and Huck is a real possibility. Fred will be discussed past tense, and Huck future tense. For the left, Huck is beatable. For the puppet master right, Huck is the RHINO in Bush clothing they need to continue the program.

Fred may be a victim of this stupid caucus/primary system.

If any of you kind folk would lend him $40 million, Iowa wouldn’t matter hardly at all.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 1:25 PM

And the truth be, despite the power of small donors, the final candidates float on a sea of bigger donations from the regulars who all want their wheels greased in return.

That group whoever they be, are the chopped livers who helped poison my cats with melamine laced cat food and want to keep shoving Chinese laced product into the food chain

Be it cat food or shamnesty, these guys still feel impregnable and apparently do not find Fred to be sufficiently useful.

This despite the mystery clocking Fred took during the Clinton impeachment

Fred is a born loser.

BKennedy on December 31, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Yeah, successful lawyer and lobbyist, US Senator, beautiful wife and children, he’s a real born loser.

See, over time, I’ve noted that csdeven can be engaged civilly in Fred conversation. You and tommylotto, on the other hand, seem unable to go three posts without either insulting his supporters, or using general insults against Fred that get way out of hand, primarily because your criticisms are continually vapid. Bad campaigner. Whoopee. How about his policy positions? How about his history? How about comparison to other candidates? It keeps coming back to the same two points for you and TL: The batch of debated allegations regarding terrorist defense etc., and his lack of executive experience (something applied to the frontrunner on the left, if you hadn’t noticed). Flip-flopping? Conservative conflicts? Nope.

If there is a loser, it is your argument. You recite it like dogma. Add fascism, corporatism, and military-industrial complex and you’re essentially Ronulans. Oh, shoot, that’s supposed to be US, isn’t it? It’s US because…um…oh yeah, we don’t buy your repetitious sound bytes, and we support somebody who isn’t drooling to take the highest office in the land.

Blackmail anyone?

Who’s to say he didn’t turn some.

I’m aware of his [Rudy’s] history. He’s astute enough to know he doesn’t want to try and climb that [gun-grabbing] mountain as president.

a capella on December 31, 2007 at 1:03 PM

As far as I’m concerned he climbed that mountain long ago and all that is left for him to do is please jump off. If he wants a push I’d be glad to oblige him.

By now there are a gazillion comments, and I wish I had time to go through them all. But it seems to me this is another example of the MSM latching onto a statement out of context, and running away with it just to kill a few more hours of air time, as well as make excuses for not giving the Thompson campaign more coverage. After all, the “one size fits all” candidates like Romney and McCain and Guiliani are more palatable, with a dash of Huckabee for comic relief. That pretty much sums up MSM coverage of the GOP nominees.

Senator Thompson has explained why he is running, and whatever others perceive as a lack of enthusiasm, he’s running anyway, isn’t he? That’s good enough for me.

And in case I don’t get a chance again, Happy New Year to the entire cast of characters here at HA.

See-Dub IS correct! The Thompson doesn’t want line it is BS!

Gatordoug on December 31, 2007 at 6:10 PM

Maybe he should get off his ass and raise some money, then?

See-Dub went nuclear because even he knows Fred is dead. It isn’t about “fire in the belly” or some stupid crap, its because Fred SUCKS at campaigning. He can’t raise money, which means he can’t win.

He really doesn’t want the Presidency. Nobody cares about what Dobson or whoever the hell it was said, including Fred. Fred isn’t willing to fight for it.

Fred Thompson is a cheerleader conservative, he’s a benchwarmer for real conservatives. He does all the hurrahs and jumps when the team wins, but action is anathema to him. Fred Thompson doesn’t want to work at it, so he’s useless. He’s had more chances than anyone else in the race, and he’s blown them all. Fred is a born loser.

It’s pretty obvious he’s not going to go wild for anybody he thinks isn’t going to win. There’s a difference between talking about who you’d like and talking about who you *think* will win.

Unfortunately some people confuse the two, and pronounce that if they don’t like him, he can’t win, or else that they think he has no chance and therefore it’s pointless to like him.

I ran into this with my cousin at Christmas. I was talking about who I didn’t like, and she ask well who do you like then? You can’t possibly like Thompson. I asked why not and she said because he has no chance. Ironically she wants the Breck Girl, talk about someone who doesn’t have a chance.