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Video: Tammy Bruce on the great Fred letdown; Update: See-Dub reaches stage two

posted at 11:19 am on December 31, 2007 by Allahpundit
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We’ve all felt it, although not all of us are at the same stage of coping. Tammy and I have reached stage five, i.e. acceptance; what she describes as the “weird, hostile, paranoid remarks I got from what’s called the Fredhead base” indicates a mindset still trapped in stage two — anger. Most of HA’s resident Fredheads seem still to be trapped in stage one. I fear for them come Thursday. Try to at least get to stage three before the results start trickling in, guys, just to cushion the blow.

What’s up with Beckel getting all snotty here with TB? I thought he was one of the “good” Democrats. Exit question: If Fred finishes a distant third, does he drop out on Friday and endorse McCain? He could barely afford that new ad in Iowa; how’s he going to pay for ads in South Carolina if he stays in?

Update: See-Dub indulges the Fredhead within. He’s mostly right about the “fire in the belly” crap — it’s a weak knock, but it’s not coming from nowhere. Such was the hype for Fred this past spring that anything short of Reagan II was bound to disappoint. Criticizing him for lacking “fire in the belly” is just a sort of catch-all, I think, for the overall disappointment most people feel in him.

Update (Bryan): I don’t know where this myth of Bob Beckel being one of the “good” Democrats came from, but it’s not grounded in reality. After the Florida debacle in 2000, Beckel wanted to continue the struggle for the presidency by “persuading” electors whose votes were committed to Bush to switch to Gore. And by “persuading,” I actually mean blackmailing.

* Worst of all, as the Wall Street Journal reported on its front page on November 16, Walter Mondale’s former campaign manager, Bob Beckel, launched an intelligence operation to explore the backgrounds of Republican members of the Electoral College.

“It is information gathering on my part, using my own network” Beckel confessed. “I call on mostly Democrats, but some Republicans, too, and ask, ‘Who are these electors, and what do you know about them?’ I just wanted to know who these electors are.”

Blackmail anyone?

Just three defections from Bush’s 271 electors would secure Al Gore the Oval Office. It’s hard to believe that at least three of these mortals have not cheated on their spouses, cheated on their taxes or sniffed some cocaine here or there. Perhaps their grown children are engaged in behavior they would rather maintain as family secrets. If Beckel can find three such patriots between now and December 18 — when electors vote — who would “put country ahead of party, in the name of national unity,” Al Gore could win the White House after all. As the Journal reported December 8, Florida police were informed of an e-mail to one elector that stated, “We know where you live.”

Three defections would have done the job, and Beckel would have stolen the election for Gore by using very extracurricular means. He’s not one of the “good Democrats.” He’s a snake. I wish Tammy would have clocked him.


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Okay, AP, and what stage are Giuliani supporters in?

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:23 AM

Most of HA’s resident Fredheads seem still to be trapped in stage one.

It’s not just a river in Egypt.

Fred’s gonna win!
And if not someone will pay!
Ok fine I’ll take whoever you want as VP just let Fred win :(
This sucks.
Ok I’m over it.

Dash on December 31, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Okay, AP, and what stage are Giuliani supporters in?

I’d have to ask one to know for sure, but from this it looks like denial.

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:24 AM

I fear you’re right.

But you should fear the enormous wave of schadenfreude that will wash over you if you’re wrong.

I think what you and others miss is that its not all about Fred, the person – its about Fred, the symbol. The sort of clearly stated, well articulated, passionate conservatism we all feel but rarely see.

Whether Fred is still around in a week remains to be seen – but no one else in the field comes close to achieving that symbolic quality.

It’s not denial – or anything close to it. It’s joy at remembering what used to be and what could be again. Half nostalgia, half hope.

And it feels fine.

Now the Fred-heads need to find a way to use it, and make it survive with or without Fred.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:25 AM

This is not even a Fredhead comment, but how many people are going to have a calf over him not being gonzo for “running” for president?

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Okay, AP, and what stage are Giuliani supporters in?

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:23 AM

Between stage 9 and 11.

Dash on December 31, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Besides, stranger things have happened than Fred pulling off a surprise.

The Titans are in the playoffs.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Wow, that was rather snotty of Beckel! Loved how Tammy just shrugged it off making him look stupid instead of wallowing in the mud with him.

Pestilence on December 31, 2007 at 11:26 AM

My Colts sat their starters.

People beating Manningless Colts is not strange. Just annoying.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:26 AM

Letdown indeed. If he were the nominee I’d support him, but I have no interest whatsoever in anointing him as such, and that’s mostly his doing (or not doing).

Vizzini on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

But you should fear the enormous wave of schadenfreude that will wash over you if you’re wrong.

Fine by me. Thompson’s probably the best choice of the lot; I just don’t think the sun rises and sets in his ass the way most of his supporters do. I’d love to be wrong about Thursday.

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Fine by me. Thompson’s probably the best choice of the lot; I just don’t think the sun rises and sets in his ass the way most of his supporters do. I’d love to be wrong about Thursday.

I hope you’re wrong also, but how high does he have to finish in order for you to be so?

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:30 AM

Not one vote has been cast yet but you’re already counting out a candidate. Jeeeeze… I’ll wait for the results. All of them, not just Iowa.

ulyses on December 31, 2007 at 11:31 AM

Thompson’s probably the best choice of the lot

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Was that an official endorsement?

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:31 AM

He has said he would stay as long as he makes 3rd in IA.
Even if he only places third, he’ll get new endorsements, new support, and other doors will open. The game changes.

NickTx on December 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

People beating Manningless Colts is not strange. Just annoying.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:26 AM

The Titans beating anybody is strange. And wonderful.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

I just don’t think the sun rises and sets in his ass

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Blasphemy!!!!

sunny on December 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

Fine by me. Thompson’s probably the best choice of the lot; I just don’t think the sun rises and sets in his ass the way most of his supporters do. I’d love to be wrong about Thursday.

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Wow, and the hits just keeeep oooon comin. Im a Fred supporter but I dont think the sun rises and sets in his ass. I guess we just have to say Fred sux and move on.

I think I will sit this thread out as well.

broker1 on December 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

THIRD LOOK AT FRED!1!!!!11!!!

JayHaw Phrenzie on December 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

No one that wants political power at all costs should ever be elected (Clinton, Kennedy, etc.). Fred’s statement that he’s running for all the right reasons (especially after yesterday’s video) sealed my vote for him.

Rush said that if a clear conservative choice were to emerge, people would support him. Unfortunately, the only way that Fred can get his message out is through his Internet video messages. So-called conservative ‘experts’ are so busy throwing rocks at Fred that they don’t realize they are running a good chance of shattering their own glass houses. Between comments like TB’s (and Allah’s continuous snarking against Fred and his supporters), it’s amazing that Fred is doing as well as he is. And I’m not ‘angry,’ AP; I expect nothing less from the MSM and other Fred detractors. I just don’t let it affect my outlook or my optimism.

As for the polls, remember exactly how many Iowa caucus winners went on to win the presidency.

rmgraha on December 31, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Fact: The sun does not rise and set in Fred Thompson’s ass. However, he did come up with daylight savings, just for a change of pace.

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Was that an official endorsement?

Shh, for God’s sake, Blather, you don’t try to pin the boy down. You just act normal, like he didn’t say anything, and cackle on the inside while continuing to nag him about other stuff. Sheesh.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Was that an official endorsement?

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:31 AM

If I recall, AP’s original statement was “Gun to my head? Fred” as to who he’s supporting this year.

amerpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:34 AM

Fred is just trying to say that he is not like many candidates that are horny for the power and prestege of the office.

Fred is awesome!

TheSitRep on December 31, 2007 at 11:35 AM

I hope you’re wrong also, but how high does he have to finish in order for you to be so?

He himself says third place isn’t good enough. Maybe that changes if he’s a very close third, but if he isn’t then what incentive does he have to stay in the race? He has no money.

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:35 AM

He himself says third place isn’t good enough.

I was under the impression that was a bit of a joke?

I know he has no money. :P Am I under a vast misunderstanding that third place will be good enough to generate buzz and thus money?

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:36 AM

By the way, Fred-heads, if any of you don’t read over at coldfury.com … you might enjoy the Fred love over there.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:37 AM

Why is he snotty with TB? TB is a traitor to the feminists. She has eschewed the sacramental commitments to one of the liberals most cherished voting blocs.

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 11:37 AM

Thanks to years&years of hollywierd & the MSM, most people wouldn’t recognize REAL anything if it bit them in the ass.
No Real enthusiasm…really, & she knows this How???…o yeah…he doesn’t have that ‘air stuck all over his gums’ smile.

lobosan5 on December 31, 2007 at 11:39 AM

He should come out for legal weed and get in on the Paul bonanza.

Second look at legal mary jane!

Dash on December 31, 2007 at 11:39 AM

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 11:37 AM

Isn’t she gay, too? That’d be two usually reliable voting blocs.

amerpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:39 AM

The Titans beating anybody is strange.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

Of course it is. Even with the horrible Texans, Houstonians aren’t sore about letting the Oilers leave.

Esthier on December 31, 2007 at 11:40 AM

Oh AP! Have you forgotten the Christmas miracle already? The world was waiting, watching, hoping against hope for an answer to prayer. Then, that Christmas morn’ you, wearing your footed-PJ’s, ran down the steps to find an iphone resting under the tree. Anything is possible…just believe.

Weight of Glory on December 31, 2007 at 11:40 AM

He has no money.

Simply can’t run a campaign without money. Even the Paul supporters understand that.

Am I under a vast misunderstanding that third place will be good enough to generate buzz and thus money?

A third place finish won’t create more buzz then what he had this summer. The buzz, imo, comes from either victory or unexpected success (such as Huck’s 2nd placer in the straw poll earlier). Middle of the road is blah.

Spirit of 1776 on December 31, 2007 at 11:40 AM

Most of HA’s resident Fredheads seem still to be trapped in stage one. I fear for them come Thursday.

Thanks for your concern, Allah, and no offence intended, but I’m perfectly happy being enthusiastic, until I know there is NO chance. But there will not be the LETDOWN for me that you expect. Once my enthusiasm subsides, I go back to giving a rat’s a$$ about the election. Half a$$ed support for our candidate (except McCain or Huckabee) is all you can count on from me. I just don’t care enough about the others, because they don’t excite me. But count on the vote.

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 11:41 AM

The trends up or down at caucus time will tell us a lot. Fred’s campaign got a bit too cute in calculating the sprint to the Iowa finish line, I fear. However, the post-Iowa trends may be significant, if only there were a bit more time between primaries. I think he’ll do better in Iowa than we anticipate, but don’t know if it’ll be enough to bring in the dollars he needs fast if he continues. He could have done it if he had started pushing quicker in Iowa. Self induced error.

a capella on December 31, 2007 at 11:41 AM

The Titans beating anybody is strange. And wonderful.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

Hey.. watch it!

;-)

Some of us still consider them to be our old Oilers down here.

Texas Gal on December 31, 2007 at 11:42 AM

Well, all I can say is a race between Huckabee and Romney is enough to make any person of sound mind stay in denial.

But I don’t think it’s warranted to call “he still has a chance” denial until at the very soonest after Iowa. At soonest.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:42 AM

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 11:33 AM

don’t blame that abomination from the early ’60’s on Fred

maverick muse on December 31, 2007 at 11:42 AM

Eh………In the real world I already have my second choice picked out, however I’m still at stage one and refuse the offer of a parachute. Besides, crow ain’t that bad.

Limerick on December 31, 2007 at 11:42 AM

Not one vote has been cast yet but you’re already counting out a candidate. Jeeeeze… I’ll wait for the results. All of them, not just Iowa.

ulyses on December 31, 2007 at 11:31 AM

Well said- Now if only ALLAH were as open minded. Does Allah think the sun rises and sets on his own ass? Just wondering.

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 11:43 AM

Dash on December 31, 2007 at 11:39 AM

stuck on stupid

maverick muse on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

No, I don’t think The sun rises and sets, etc….but I do think that Fred has played this game before, and yes has a plan. If his plan is to work, it will depend on one thing the MSM denies exists, the intelligence of the American people and it’s ability to see through the MSMs hype and make up their own damn minds. Sounds kind of old-fashioned, but hey, Fred’s! kind of an old-fashioned guy.

P. James Moriarty on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

Okay, so if Fred’s a dead man walking, who’s the next best choice for a fiscal conservative? Fred was the only one who talked about taking on entitlements, so that’s out when Fred’s out. None of the others have the guts to even try to take on that particular elephant in the room. So we’ll have to just settle for someone we think might at least try to maintain the Bush tax cuts. We know McCain won’t since he fought them the first time. We know Huckabee never met a tax hike he didn’t like. So that leaves Rudy and Mitt. Rudy is a proven aggressive tax-cutter and free market guy. I’m convinced he’s more aggressively and committedly fiscally conservative than Mitt. That combined with security issues and electability in the general makes me realize I’m probably going to have to go back to Rudy if Fred doesn’t make it.

Core opposition to Mitt is actually stronger than it is to Rudy in most states. They both lose some percentage of hard-core evangelicals for different reasons. But Rudy can draw in a handful of moderates to help offset that loss. The question is whether either of them actually loses a heretofore “guaranteed” red state over it. Honestly, I don’t think either of them can win the general anymore. But I’ll keep the faith and try until the end.

aero on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

And Tammy Bruce can bite me. With Repubs like her who needs Dems?

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

Hey Beckle – Try some prune juice. It works wonders.

I think Tammy Bruce would be a fine President. How about a running mate with Rudy? Become a Republican Tammy. We need you!

RobCon on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

Well said- Now if only ALLAH were as open minded. Does Allah think the sun rises and sets on his own ass? Just wondering.

LEAVE ALLAH ALONE!

Everybody has to use that one once before 2007 ended, right?

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:45 AM

What bugs me is that this whole thing is over a selective quote from Fred. I read the transcript of the whole thing. It’s another example of the MSM Dowding a Republican and the whole world accepting it as gospel. This is exactly why I don’t subscribe to any newspapers and few magazines. READ FULL TRANSCRIPTS, people!

Longhorn Six on December 31, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Wouldn’t worry about Tammy taking on the likes of Bechtel, or any other dem mouthpiece; she’d run circles around them without trying.
Off topic, but I tried e-mailing Hot Air in the tips format. Ended up playing 20 questions with Microsoft and being told I had to open an account with them to send the e-mail. Yet another reason to despise Microsoft; hope HotAir looks into changing that feature. Anyway , the tip is about a lawyer getting caught keying a marine’s car. When the marine files charges, the justice system basically tells him too bad for you. Ace of Spades and others are on it.

tomk59 on December 31, 2007 at 11:47 AM

maverick muse on December 31, 2007 at 11:42 AM

Actually, it was from 1907.

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Where is the masturbation stage of the Kubler-Ross model?

Tammy and I have reached stage five, i.e. acceptance;

Welcome to my world. I’ve been marking time at stage 5 since right after his Lincoln Club speech. :-)

From Tammy:
A little bit of a panic?
Internet trolls?

And who will those folks support if Fred drops out? Are there enough to make a difference?

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Well, all I can say is a race between Huckabee and Romney is enough to make any person of sound mind stay in denial.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:42 AM

I think that particular final two would make Democrats deliriously happy, no denial necessary.

Oh. You said “person of sound mind.” Never mind.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:48 AM

And who will those folks support if Fred drops out? Are there enough to make a difference?

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 11:47 AM

For me it would be Mitt. But I wouldn’t like it.

Weight of Glory on December 31, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Thompson’s probably the best choice of the lot

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Just thought I’d post that again. Don’t mind me.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:50 AM

Where is the masturbation stage of the Kubler-Ross model?

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Oh no, not this post too…

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 11:50 AM

Fine by me. Thompson’s probably the best choice of the lot; I just don’t think the sun rises and sets in his ass the way most of his supporters do. I’d love to be wrong about Thursday.

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

The sun does not rise and set in any ones posterior orifice.

I’m sure most Fred acolytes don’t think Fred is perfect or just the lesser of evils.

As a Fred supporter, I think he is a solid and viable candidate. His positions are the most straightforward and consistently conservative. He is just a no-bullsh|t guy running in a field of smarmy power hungry politicians that want the prestige and legacy that the office of POTUS affords.

TheSitRep on December 31, 2007 at 11:51 AM

Obviously Tammy Bruce doesn’t speak for me. Endless speculation is just that. My position remains, Fred is Fred and either he will or he won’t and until he don’t he still can do. Fred’s candor about his motivation yesterday was something I already knew that registers high in the plus category for me and I couldn’t have been more pleased with the interview.

All this stage one, stage two, stuff is just more eighties era psycho-bable. I remember it well, along with Deana Troy of Star-Trek Next (gag). Sad for AP and others of his age group, to have been so impressionable then, already so far into the slide of Western Civ.

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 31, 2007 at 11:52 AM

So that leaves Rudy and Mitt. Rudy is a proven aggressive tax-cutter and free market guy. I’m convinced he’s more aggressively and committedly fiscally conservative than Mitt. That combined with security issues and electability in the general makes me realize I’m probably going to have to go back to Rudy if Fred doesn’t make it.

I agree.

But Rudy can draw in a handful of moderates to help offset that loss. The question is whether either of them actually loses a heretofore “guaranteed” red state over it. Honestly, I don’t think either of them can win the general anymore. But I’ll keep the faith and try until the end.
aero on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

Agreed, but I think Rudy has a strong chance in the general. His personal life and history on social issues isn’t going to be held against him as much with the swing voters. He wouldn’t get the Huck supporters anyway, and Mitt wouldn’t get a lot of them.

a capella on December 31, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Oh no, not this post too…

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 11:50 AM

In 2008, HotAir will be brought to you by the letter “M”

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Am I under a vast misunderstanding that third place will be good enough to generate buzz and thus money?

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 11:36 AM

Not necessarily, but I’d like to know who all the buzz and money will come from. It isn’t like it will be a general election and each candidate starts over. I don’t think a less than third place by Fred bleeds off any support from the #1 and 2 guys. Or Rudy, or McCain. Hunter maybe, but I think they’ll go for one of the top two.

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 11:55 AM

Thompson’s probably the best choice of the lot

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Repostin’s a good idea, Professor.
Allah thinks Fred’s the best of the lot, but has NO PROBLEM tryin’ to stomp out his chances before ONE VOTE HAS BEEN CAST! I think Allah puts WAY TOO MUCH FAITH IN POLLS.

Come’on Allah give it a rest. Just give Fred and the Frednecks a little respect. PLEASE

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 11:55 AM

For me it would be Mitt. But I wouldn’t like it.

Weight of Glory on December 31, 2007 at 11:49 AM

I’m leaning toward Mitt and I don’t particularly like it either.

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 11:56 AM

WAY TOO MUCH FAITH IN POLLS.

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 11:55 AM

Polls are accurate enough.

Ask President Kerry. He won in a landslide. Sort of.

Professor Blather on December 31, 2007 at 11:57 AM

Isn’t she gay, too? That’d be two usually reliable voting blocs.

amerpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:39 AM

Gay as a goose.

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Fine by me. Thompson’s probably the best choice of the lot; I just don’t think the sun rises and sets in his ass the way most of his supporters do. I’d love to be wrong about Thursday.

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Don’t count me in this. I think the sun rises and sets on David Tennant. NO politician is that for me.

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Fred was the only one who talked about taking on entitlements,
aero on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

Mitt started his campaign hyping his use of the veto pen in MA and that he couldn’t wait to get his hands on Washington.

csdeven on December 31, 2007 at 12:01 PM

MmmmmmmmmmDavid Tennant.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Again, who is Tammy Bruce?

wccawa on December 31, 2007 at 12:04 PM

a capella on December 31, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Bigger key is that Rudi’s stance on the Second Amendment looses MANY Independent Conservatives… like me…

Already said if the Repubs choose Rudi to run… they loose my vote.

I can no longer hold my nose, and vote for someone I find objectionable, because of the “other guys are worse” arguement…

Romeo13 on December 31, 2007 at 12:05 PM

How is that Fred doesn’t have money but McCain does, where is the money coming from?

Speakup on December 31, 2007 at 12:05 PM

And Tammy Bruce can bite me. With Repubs like her who needs Dems?

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

Tammy is actually not a Republican. She’s a Zell Miller-esque old-style Democrat. The party left her, but she hasn’t yet left the party. I can respect that kind of liberal, and I actually agree with them on many things. But they’re not Republicans, and they’re not conservatives.

aero on December 31, 2007 at 12:06 PM

And Tammy Bruce can bite me. With Repubs like her who needs Dems?

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 11:44 AM

Tammy Bruce is a life long democrat:
http://tammybruce.com/biography.php

Tammy Bruce is an openly gay, pro-choice, gun owning, pro-death penalty, voted-for-President Bush authentic feminist. A lifelong Democrat, in the 1990s she worked to help elect Senators Feinstein and Boxer, and aided the Clinton for President campaign. Before we knew he was a sexual compulsive and “did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

She is generally more level headed than most Dems.

TheSitRep on December 31, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Come’on Allah give it a rest. Just give Fred and the Frednecks a little respect. PLEASE

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 11:55 AM

I would go one step further and, as I said above, have a little respect for the intelligence of the American people and their ability to make up their own minds, despite the MSMs hype. If Fred! can make a good showing, say second place, the MSM will be all over itself trying to backpedal and either explain it away or, dare I say it, take a second look at Fred! At that point Fred! will have more free press than he will know what to do with and the donations will start to roll in again.

P. James Moriarty on December 31, 2007 at 12:07 PM

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Pfft. Acting-wise, couldn’t hold a candle to Colin Baker.

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Allahpundit on December 31, 2007 at 11:35 AM

While ignored by the MSM, they’d be surprised if he got 3rd.
Now that Fred’s getting some coverage, they’d be shocked if he got 2nd.

REGARDLESS, Fred gets my vote because he deserves my vote.

People who have survived catastrophic tragedies do not live in the plastic moment-mold trolled by self aggrandized commentators. Nasty commentators only attract nasty audiences. This entire “running” syndrome has no traction, verbal regurgitation and blahing wheels spinning, in reality losing audience appeal for magnifying a lie as truth. As sight-impared, wearing blinders, these detractors refuse to see clearly with ample means available. How does their stubborn error impress me?

Voters each have their own mind. Having company is nice. But even salmon are willing to forge upstream against the strongest currents and predators in order to perpetuate their own. Conservative Americans have a candidate in Fred.

This year’s election process deserves research integrity from every voter, including the managers of prestigious websites.

We enter the New Year; resolve:

SUPPORT & ENDORSE CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM
put money where mouth is, check Constitution
VOTE PLATFORM, CONSERVATIVE AMERICANS!
ELECT FRED ‘08!

maverick muse on December 31, 2007 at 12:07 PM

MmmmmmmmmmDavid Tennant.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Nice to know I’m in good company, Anwyn.

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 12:08 PM

Pfft. Acting-wise, couldn’t hold a candle to Colin Baker.

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 12:07 PM

I’ll give you that, Sweetie, but did I say ANYTHING about his acting ability? ;)

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 12:09 PM

Sweetie

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 12:09 PM

wccawa, where is your God now?

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 12:10 PM

I’m not in denial about Fred! I was in denial before the 2006 elections. I thought the polling and the liberal media were just wrong. I thought Republicans would win big. They didn’t.

It doesn’t look good for Thompson right now, but we’re not going to know for sure until Thursday. There’s still 10 percent undecided out there, and those who have decided aren’t firmly committed to their candidates. While things don’t look good for Fred!, I haven’t given up on him yet.

bigbeas on December 31, 2007 at 12:12 PM

I got as far as “he’s not really hot on running for president”. That is proliferated cherry-picking and pure bs. And Beckel doesn’t warrant my attention in any way.

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 12:13 PM

Again, who is Tammy Bruce?

wccawa on December 31, 2007 at 12:04 PM

Wasn’t Tammy the Bruce a king in Scotland?

rmgraha on December 31, 2007 at 12:13 PM

we’ll pay for more adds.

amend2 on December 31, 2007 at 12:14 PM

wccawa, where is your God now?

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 12:10 PM

There is no God.

wccawa on December 31, 2007 at 12:15 PM

And why do we really care what happens in ONE state out of 50 – this far before the election? When there was no internet, and constant information to get you up and close with the candidate, it may have made sense to care about Iowa or New Hampshire or some other state…But frankly, Thursday is not my deadline. Until the man drops out, himself, I don’t care a whit about what the folks in Iowa think. My apologies to any Iowans in the thread…

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 12:15 PM

If Fred’s showing does live down to expectations on Thursday, I hope when he drops out, he endorses Mitt, for two reasons:

1 – Mitt’s probably the next best thing, even if I can’t get as enthused about him as Fred; and

2 – It will cause the heads to explode of a few of our resident Mitt-heads.

thirteen28 on December 31, 2007 at 12:15 PM

Pfft. Acting-wise, couldn’t hold a candle to Colin Baker.

Pfft. I didn’t even know the franchise had more than one “Baker.” Tennant’s a great actor. I want some Dorothy Sayers movies with Tennant as Lord Peter Wimsey and James McAvoy as Detective-Chief-Inspector Parker.

…the real trouble with Fredheads: ADD.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 12:15 PM

How is that Fred doesn’t have money but McCain does, where is the money coming from?

Speakup on December 31, 2007 at 12:05 PM

The money comes from the Open-Borders, NAFTA, Big Business Crowd. LOTS AND LOTS of illegal immigrants are ALL they care about. McCain, Rudy, Huck, Mitt, Hillary- All Guarenteed!

Fred will close the borders- They don’t want that.

THIS is the fight. Right Now. And Rupert Murdoch knows it. If he doesn’t STOP FRED right here, right now- he’s afraid that we might elect a REAL CONSERVATIVE. WATCH FOX now til Thursday, they are gonna try to slam Fred in any way possible.

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 12:16 PM

wccawa, where is your God now?

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 12:10 PM
There is no God.

wccawa on December 31, 2007 at 12:15 PM

Guys, need I remind you just WHERE I live. I’m southern. Hon and Sweetie are commonly heard from me.

You’re both adorable.

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 12:16 PM

There is no God. Not since he crossed Fred Thompson.

wccawa on December 31, 2007 at 12:15 PM

Fixt.

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 12:17 PM

I want some Dorothy Sayers movies with Tennant as Lord Peter Wimsey and James McAvoy as Detective-Chief-Inspector Parker.

…the real trouble with Fredheads: ADD.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 12:15 PM

Oh, no you DIDN’T say that other name.

SECOND LOOK AT JAMES MCAVOY

tickleddragon on December 31, 2007 at 12:18 PM

Until the man drops out, himself, I don’t care a whit about what the folks in Iowa think.

I agree that the early polls- and indeed, the whole caucus process in Iowa- are pretty bogus. iT’s just nuts how they decide things there.

Having said that, I think Fred needs to finish at least third, but I fully expect him to finish no lower than second.

wccawa on December 31, 2007 at 12:19 PM

*grin* Tickleddragon, I’ll be posting The List at my blog later today if you care to look.

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Pfft. I didn’t even know the franchise had more than one “Baker.”

Anwyn on December 31, 2007 at 12:15 PM

Then you abdicate all credibility as judging a good Doctor. Begone, ye, or I’ll make you watch the 1996 FOX movie.

MadisonConservative on December 31, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Iowans need to think of the next four years, not one night of wishes.

Fred has the spine for the fight.

Hillbamaward is a school of jellyfish.

profitsbeard on December 31, 2007 at 12:21 PM

What’s the comment they’re discussing? I assume it’s the Dowdified quote that makes it seem like he doesn’t want to be President?

Patterico on December 31, 2007 at 12:22 PM

FOXnews puts on two DEMOCRATS??? to talk about Fred’s demise. NO OPPOSING COMMENTS- Fair and Balanced my ass!

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 12:24 PM

By the way, if Fredheads were like Paulnuts, as Allah has implied, Fred would have a lot more money. A LOT more. Every single Paulnut must have hit the maximum by now. And the rest are working on selling their futons and tinfoil reserves to raise the cash.

Fredheads are enthusiastic, but I don’t think they’re insane. There will be great disappointment if Fred has to drop out, but I don’t think many Fredheads will be comatose with grief or rending their hair in agony. But those of us who support Fred will have a VERY hard time getting enthusiastic about the eventual nominee. There simply is not a good choice this time around. Those who claim that we have a great field of very strong candidates are simply wrong. We have a very, very weak field, and we’ll be extremely lucky if we can win the general. If we do, it will be because of external circumstances, like another attack, not because of the strength of the guy we eventually put forward.

aero on December 31, 2007 at 12:25 PM

Anwyn,MadisonConservative,tickleddragon Yer Blimp is ready. Catch ya later.

Ex-tex on December 31, 2007 at 12:26 PM

Try to at least get to stage three before the results start trickling in, guys, just to cushion the blow.

Listen to Allah, guys. His pessimism Spidey-senses are tingling.

Ali-Bubba on December 31, 2007 at 12:27 PM

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