Video: John McCain says he “never supported amnesty”
posted at 5:00 pm on December 30, 2007 by Bryan
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Obviously we’re into hair-splitting territory here with our new national leader. The immigration bill that died in the Senate a few months back resembled the similar bill that died in the Senate last year in that neither bore the name “amnesty” in their titles or anywhere else. But they were also similar in that they were both in fact amnesties for illegal aliens. No less a figure than Ed Meese, who was President Reagan’s attorney general during the 1986 amnesty, considered the 2006 bill amnesty, and McCain supported that bill. It didn’t have “amnesty” in the title but it did have McCain’s name on it. Meese also said that the 1986 amnesty was a mistake, and that the 2006 amnesty would also have been a mistake.
So I guess it depends on what you mean by “amnesty.” Actually, no, it doesn’t, because McCain did support “amnesty” as amnesty in 2003.
Everybody who cares about the issue knows where McCain has been on it, and they know that what he supported was an amnesty and that he supported it consistently. McCain had a better answer to immigration questions a few weeks back when he said that he’d learned his lesson and would support border security before attempting another “comprehensive immigration reform,” i.e. amnesty. The Straight Talker should’ve just stuck with that. It had the virtue of at least not being laughably easy to disprove.
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Next he’ll be claiming he didn’t support MCain/Feingold :^)
db on December 30, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Maybe he unlearned his lesson?
doriangrey on December 30, 2007 at 5:05 PM
I haven’t seen this much denial since I took my uncle to his last AA meeting.
P. James Moriarty on December 30, 2007 at 5:06 PM
It’s not amnesty, it’s “comprehensive immigration reform.” Kind of like McCain-Feingold isn’t pi$$ing on the First Amendment, it’s “comprehensive campaign finance reform.” Now get it right, people!
Insomniac on December 30, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Mitt has the fact check on this McCain claim on his website. McCain’s almost as much a disaster as Huckabee is at this point.
davenp35 on December 30, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Insomniac on December 30, 2007 at 5:08 PM
All this means is that the good Senator STILL hasnt learned his lesson… the American people will NOT support legalization for the illegals here illegally (just cant phrase it any more clearly) and he still thinks he can pull a giant CON-JOB on all of us by granting them legal status and then claiming its not amnesty.
SHAME ON YOU, YOU NON-STRAIGHT TALKER.
Always Right on December 30, 2007 at 5:10 PM
I guess this means McCain was against amnesty before he was for amnesty before he was against amnesty…Now thats some serious flip-flopping…
doriangrey on December 30, 2007 at 5:10 PM
Consider that stolen….
broker1 on December 30, 2007 at 5:10 PM
McCain is fudging the facts here. He should just say what he supports, be done with the flipping and spinning.
Gatordoug on December 30, 2007 at 5:11 PM
Go home Mac. You screwed the pooch.
ronsfi on December 30, 2007 at 5:12 PM
In the response to Steph, McCain may have been trying to counter Mitt’s claim that he supported amnesty for every illegal. After he said he never supported amnesty, he followed it with a comment about the illegals Chertoff has said need to be deported immediately.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 5:13 PM
Chertoff is not a good reference for immigration issues.
Yes, he did and does support amnesty. Changing his stripes for an election shows how phony he is.
RudyHuckabeeMcCainmadmonkphotog on December 30, 2007 at 5:14 PM
That’s perfectly Clintonian. Straight talk indeed!
conservnut on December 30, 2007 at 5:14 PM
Liar, liar, pants en fuego.
Next he’ll tell you he supports the 1st amendment.
It’s over, Johnny.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 30, 2007 at 5:14 PM
Wow. What gall. If this doesn’t cost him his new national “lead”, my estimation of the American people dips a few points more.
MadisonConservative on December 30, 2007 at 5:15 PM
What I learned is to not support candidates who don’t tell the truth…
I’m with Fred all the way.
tarpon on December 30, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Damn….all these guys suck.
Dirthead on December 30, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Oh yes he diiiddd
Go Fred Go!
BobH on December 30, 2007 at 5:25 PM
He doesn’t agree with you that what he supported was amnesty. I think he’d certainly agree that it was something different than enforcing the letter of the current law, and, say, forcibly expelling all illegal immigrants. Even Tancredo never pretended that such a position was either practicable, human, or politically supportable. So I guess almost everyone to the left of Stormfront (and possibly even them, I dunno) supports some version of “amnesty.”
I actually agree with most of you that what McCain was proposing amounted to amnesty, or was something close to it, but believing that there are or were critical distinctions between amnesty and what he was proposing doesn’t make himn or anyone else a liar – just as it doesn’t make you or me a racist to think the bill was a huge and repulsive mistake, and that the debates weren’t his or Bush’s finest hours.
Otherwise, McCain’s been repeating exactly the line about restoring trust/securing the border first at every opportunity, for months now. Trust him or don’t, like him or don’t – whatever – but when you start accusing people of dishonesty and worse because they don’t see things the way you do, or refuse to use exactly the words you want them to use, or to humiliate themselves in exactly the way you find most pleasing, then you’re acting like fanatic.
CK MacLeod on December 30, 2007 at 5:26 PM
That’s exactly what I thought when I saw the headline.
BowHuntingTexas on December 30, 2007 at 5:28 PM
Open mouth, insert both feet. Good gravy John! I guess the Straight Talk Express was derailed somewhere between Iowa and NH.
csdeven on December 30, 2007 at 5:31 PM
You, sir, are much too reasonable to be commenting on a political blog.
Purple Fury on December 30, 2007 at 5:36 PM
John McWaffles, dripping with I-Can’t-Believe-It’s-Not-Amnesty.
Give the man a tall top hat and skinny black cane, ‘cos the tapdancing is just starting.
profitsbeard on December 30, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Some politicians need a dictionary more than others.
infidel on December 30, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Isn’t McCain the candidate who once dared citizens in his audience to pluck lettuce or cabbage for $5/hour? And Sean Vanity, of all people, wanted to take him up on it?
Sounds like the GOP version of ‘I’ve never had sexual relations with that woman.’
HuckabeeMcCain
Ron Paul
Thompson
infidelpride on December 30, 2007 at 5:45 PM
This is exactly what all liberals will be claiming before next November. His McLordship included.
Speakup on December 30, 2007 at 5:47 PM
Next he’ll be saying “I never wanted be be president anyway.”
GogglesPisano on December 30, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Time for John to fade away.
Actually…..he should have faded YEARS ago.
Talon on December 30, 2007 at 5:54 PM
Technically, I guess McCain is correct since amnesty in 2007 was called immigration reform. I’d also point out that the Romney ad doesn’t say McCain supported amnesty it simply said that McCain supported letting all the illegals stay. That too is a inaccuracy worth noting in McCain’s response (you could just feel the bitter mean McCain oozing out of the man’s pores).
Why didn’t McCain spend the time in spelling out what he would do with all the illegal aliens currently in the US? This was an opportunity missed for spelling out what exactly reform would look like under a McCain presidency.
I just don’t get the vibe that Johnny would do one thing different than the McCain-Kennedy Citizenship giveaway of 2007.
highhopes on December 30, 2007 at 5:59 PM
If tomorrow morning we all flipped on the light switch and looked at the paper and during the night I’d been allowed to pick our next President, I would still choose Duncan Hunter.
Speakup on December 30, 2007 at 6:00 PM
SECOND LOOK AT AMNESTY!
Jack M. on December 30, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Technically, he may be right. If he “never” supported it, then one could deduce that he always supported it.
SouthernGent on December 30, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Shoot – I guess you’re right. I apologize.
Dogpile on McCain!
CK MacLeod on December 30, 2007 at 6:09 PM
It’s WORSE than amnesty! If a burglar gets amnesty, he gets no jail time nor fine, but he doesn’t get to keep the stolen goods!!
McCain wants the “burglar” to be able to keep the stolen goods i. e., residency in America, independent of a fine, etc.
McCain is a disgrace on this issue, as is President Bush.
fred5678 on December 30, 2007 at 6:11 PM
This is a clear lesson in how not to do politics. Find yourself on the wrong side of public opinion on an issue, then, rather than simply stating your position and saying you disagree with the majority opinion, obfuscate blatantly.
Now you’ve managed to be wrong and dishonest.
Do these guys get so buried in the echo chambers of their campaigns that they don’t think we’ll notice? Or is it a case of they all do it, so I can get away with it too?
trubble on December 30, 2007 at 6:22 PM
This fool will be pushing for some type of “immigration reform” (shamnesty) as soon he can get away with it. He’d work against any type of border enforcement, and I’m tired of seeing this jerk on my screen.
nottakingsides on December 30, 2007 at 6:22 PM
No to McCain-Kennedy, Yes to Border Security – Newt Gingrich
MB4 on December 30, 2007 at 6:23 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Sorry. This was just the best indication yet of how sad the GOP is looking (other than Fred).
Don’t be too hard on McCain. He’s only doing what Huckabee, Giuliani, and Romney supporters have been telling him they want; LIE! Say what we want to hear! FEEEEEEEEED US more cr&p because we enjoy it and you’ll get our votes!
It seems to be the quality that voters favor these days.
Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 6:28 PM
I’m guessing Mitt left out the part where he also supported amnesty in the form of McCain-Kennedy. Before he was against it, of course.
Hollowpoint on December 30, 2007 at 6:31 PM
McCain is not being honest. He supported the shamnesty bill.
katieanne on December 30, 2007 at 6:38 PM
McCain also mentions Romney’s “attack on Huckabee, who’s a good man.” What’s that about?
baldilocks on December 30, 2007 at 6:41 PM
And the game of Whack-a-Mole we call the Republican primaries continues….
aero on December 30, 2007 at 6:45 PM
“You can call it a banana if you want to….IT’S NOT AMNESTY!” ha ha ha
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 6:50 PM
McCain also mentions Romney’s “attack on Huckabee, who’s a good man.” What’s that about?
baldilocks on December 30, 2007 at 6:41 PM
McCain and The Huckster patting each other on the back? The two OPEN BORDERS ZEALOTS? Just think, McCain looked right into the camera and said that….again!!! ha ha Is there no shame???
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 6:53 PM
It’s $50.00/hour.
Entelechy on December 30, 2007 at 6:59 PM
Oh I love the part when Steppy asks McCain the first
question,McCain facial expression looks like he has
realized that he’s about to go through a red light
and figures out he needs to hit the brakes!
When the Republican candidates are on the Liberal journalist
hot seat,and the Lib anchor is prodding for that juicy
soundbite,wouldn’t it not be simple enough to give on honest
answer and be done with it.
canopfor on December 30, 2007 at 7:04 PM
This POS is the most dangerous man running outside of nutcases Kucinich and Paul. He has subverted free political speech, attempted to open our borders, has subjected us to millions of illegals and countless crimes, rapes and murders. He solicited bribes a one of the Keating Five and is a sellout to the likes of Tyson Foods and other food processors and growers that depress wages through the importation of illegal workers. And that is his good side. He is also an angry egomaniac that should be undergoing treatment.
pat on December 30, 2007 at 7:05 PM
John McCain has nothing but contemt for the American people. He showed it during the McCain/Kennedy Amnesty debate…
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 7:09 PM
McCain should call in Ted Kennedy to campaign with him in Iowa and N.H.
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 7:10 PM
It’s $50.00/hour
Entelechy on December 30,2007 at 7:05PM.
Entelechy:I checked out the link,$50.00 an hour to pick
cabbage,what line do you stand in!haha
canopfor on December 30, 2007 at 7:13 PM
I’m curious what everyone here proposes we do with illegals who have been in this country for 10 or so years; who may own property, have kids in schools, not living off the system etc. Kick them out?
lorien1973 on December 30, 2007 at 7:15 PM
Contempt…that’s better..
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 7:15 PM
I’m curious what everyone here proposes we do with illegals who have been in this country for 10 or so years; who may own property, have kids in schools, not living off the system etc. Kick them out?
lorien1973 on December 30, 2007 at 7:15 PM
Do what we do with other criminals who have dodged the law for years…prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 7:18 PM
That seems to be what the GOP candidates have been in a bidding war to promise on the issue.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 7:19 PM
And undo tax amnesty deals in order to imprison people who didn’t pay their taxes but were allowed to catch up? Have those tax collection deals that states have done resulted in a breakdown of the rule of law?
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Go Fred!
ronsfi on December 30, 2007 at 7:23 PM
Excuse me, but most of you obviously have not taken the time to study the immigration legislation for which John McCain sought passage. I realize that most of you are not lawyers who are trained to study a piece of legislation, but if you don’t, you end up making glib statements that you think are true, but are not true at all and indeed wide of the mark.
The truth is that John McCain never did support amnesty. It is NOT denial on his part to say so; it was what he was saying during the debate over the immigration bill. The immigraiton bill for which he sought passage was not on its face amnesty and would not be amensty IF the law enforcement provisions were enforced. The problem is that just as with the immigration bill that Ronald Reagan signed into law back in the 1980’s was not amnesty on its face but the way that the 1980’s law worked was that the law enforcement provisions were not enforced (thus creating the present immigration problem), the way that most Americans expected this year’s bill to work would be that the law enforcement provisions would not be enforced. The outcome of this year’s debate was that law enforcement comes first, and John McCain has bene sayibf for months that he got and accepts that message. I saw him say it at a function in Manhattan in late September. It is the message that no matter what position you took on this year’s bill is the one to which an honest assessment of the debate should lead you.
Keep in mind that the current problem that we have with immigration stems from legislation that Ronald Reagan signed into law. I think that world of Ronald Reagan because of his leadership on a great number of issues, and I think the world of John McCain for many reasons. John McCain was right about Iraq and stood steadfast in his support of the troops and their mission while Democxrats declared defeat and other Republicans were hedging their bets: I greatly appreciated that act of corage and character because my older son is a U.S. Army First Lieutenant (with Ranger tab) who for 15 months (until last October) served as an infantry platoon leader in Iraq and I lnow what an outstanding job our military men and women have been doing. What John McCain, a pro-life fiscal conservative, brings to the table concerning, among other things, military and national security matters is hugely important. Recent events in Pakistan only reinforces the need in 2008 that we elect the best Comamander in Chief we can, and that person is clearly John McCain.
Phil Byler on December 30, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Nothing? Five years in a Vietnam prison cell for your fellow citizens is something isn’t it? Maybe it doesn’t qualify him to be president but it does demonstrate some measure of dedication to his countrymen.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 7:25 PM
This election cycle is too much like playing the field.
we’re sure being forced to date a bunch of frogs before we find a Prince.
Speakup on December 30, 2007 at 7:26 PM
Phil, you make several good points. I’m thankful to your son for his dedication and service.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Wow. Really? See, i’d clear these people. Make them pay back taxes (if any) and just put them through the system. If you aren’t living off the system, have a job, a family, a little land. You are cool with me.
You’d force them to give up their land, job, life, etc. And return where? Their home country probably even wouldn’t want them back. You gotta be a little practical here, i think.
If they have children; they are american citizens. Certainly, their country wouldn’t accept them as citizens.
lorien1973 on December 30, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Yeah, it was amnesty. Paying a small fee is still amnesty. And then there is the reward. All that social security never paid upon. it was worse than amnesty. it was spit in the face of America and Americans.
pat on December 30, 2007 at 7:32 PM
Can’t wait for the McCain-Clinton bill for comprehensive (insert your statism here) reform.
Valiant on December 30, 2007 at 7:32 PM
Though its very hard for most people to understand the living hell prisoners of the NV went through, to be fair John McCain chose to put himself in harms way but he didn’t choose to be in a bamboo cage.
All the teary eyed respect in the world doesn’t put core ideology on the table.
Speakup on December 30, 2007 at 7:32 PM
Nothing? Five years in a Vietnam prison cell for your fellow citizens is something isn’t it? Maybe it doesn’t qualify him to be president but it does demonstrate some measure of dedication to his countrymen.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 7:25 PM
Ask David March’s family how much contempt John McCain had for them after their policeman son who was shot by an Illegal Alien…Nothing but contempt!!!
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Not teary eyed, rather I just don’t believe he has contempt for the American people.
I do think his military experience gives him a level of judgment that benefits the commander in chief.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 7:40 PM
With deference to you, Phil. Good information…but it doesn’t change a bloody thing for me.
Take off, McVain, you lying, back-stabbing, publicity-seeking, liberal pandering HACK! You will NEVER, and I repeat NEVER get my vote.
tickleddragon on December 30, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Benedict Arnold’s military record was more inpressive than Jon McCain’s. It didn’t let him off the hook, nor should it McCain.
McCain & Huck both hold contempt for Americans. Not to mention all the Democrats…
DwnSouthJukin on December 30, 2007 at 7:42 PM
Ask the other servicemen if McCain had contempt for them when he refused an early release from his Vietnamese prison.
Nothing?
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 7:47 PM
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and smells like a duck, it is a duck!
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ): “Americans wouldn’t pick lettuce for even $50/hour”
Murmurs from the crowd turned to booing. “Pay a decent wage!” one audience member shouted.
“I’ve heard that statement before,” McCain said before threatening to leave.
. . .
But he took more questions, including a pointed one on his immigration plan.
McCain responded by saying immigrants were taking jobs nobody else wanted. He offered anybody in the crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Arizona.
Shouts of protest rose from the crowd, with some accepting McCain’s job offer.
“I’ll take it!” one man shouted.
McCain insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a complete season. “You can’t do it, my friends.”
Some in the crowd said they didn’t appreciate McCain questioning their work ethic.
Look at the means which a man employs, consider his motives, observe his pleasures. A man simply cannot conceal himself!
- Confucius
Anti-Amerucan Juan McShamnesty can go fornicate himself.
MB4 on December 30, 2007 at 7:47 PM
So are you a volunteer for the McCain campaign or do they pay you? The only people I’ve seen who think the choice is “clear” in this race to the bottom are the Ronulans, and let’s face it, they’re full on bat guano crazy. Many of us have candidates we like, but we would all (ok, many of us)switch our support a candidate that looked like Romney but acted like Reagan.
trubble on December 30, 2007 at 7:48 PM
Any comment on why he was in such a rush to get the immigration bill passed with as little debate or study as possible after the secret sessions to write it?
a capella on December 30, 2007 at 7:50 PM
Arnold’s record was impressive, and he was probably screwed by politicians, but he did conspire to give West Point to the enemy for a cash reward. That would seem pretty close to the opposite of spending 5 years in a foreign prison for your country.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 7:50 PM
I just put my tinfoil hat back on.
FBI files + Clinton + Mexican elites = high level support for amnesty in our government, and ultimately votes for Democrats (after amnesty).
What’s in McCain’s file or what promises were made not to reveal what’s in that file?
Tinfoil hat is off now.
BowHuntingTexas on December 30, 2007 at 7:51 PM
You are either a liberal or a fool…no offence.
tickleddragon on December 30, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Only if you’re a Mexican
DwnSouthJukin on December 30, 2007 at 7:52 PM
Excuse me, sir, but you have obviously walked into a room and made many uninformed assumptions. I’ll help you out: use this site’s search function and enter the key words ‘illegal immigration’ and/or ‘Comprehensive Immigration Reform.’ Come back when you have a better idea of the audience you’re addressing.
BTW, John McCain and your son aren’t the only persons who have served and sacrificed for their country.
baldilocks on December 30, 2007 at 7:53 PM
eek…did I just spell that “offence”. My apologies for the lapse in spelling.
tickleddragon on December 30, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Well if we are very concerned that our next President will be captured and taken prisoner by the NVA then I guess McShamnesty just might be the best one to vote for.
MB4 on December 30, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Very well f’in said, Baldilocks!
tickleddragon on December 30, 2007 at 7:55 PM
Or a plantation owner.
MB4 on December 30, 2007 at 7:56 PM
But it would be the EXACT same thing as allowing a racial supremest/re-conquista group like La Raza to write laws that actual AMERICANS have to live by.
Did John Allow those who were victims of these invaders to sit down at the table? No.
traitor!
DwnSouthJukin on December 30, 2007 at 7:57 PM
McCain has been working hard to be a Democrat for years, he’s finally made it all the way. Guess why all those newspapers are endorsing him.
Buzzy on December 30, 2007 at 7:59 PM
John McCain is ‘clearly’ old… but definitely not ‘clearly’ the best we could elect. Not by a long shot.
Griz on December 30, 2007 at 8:02 PM
Crafting legislation as an elected official is not exactly the same as turning over a critical military position to the enemy.
If successful, Arnold could have contributed to Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton and others being hung instead of founding the country.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 8:07 PM
Given the lack of work done so far by DHS not entirely impossible.
I was thinking more along the lines of what he might have done differently in 2003 than GWB. Maybe not gone into Iraq? Maybe sent more troops? Maybe not hired Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz & Co? Perhaps, McCain might have better judgment about what the military can do and what support they need to achieve those ends.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 8:13 PM
McCain has been working hard to be a Democrat for years, he’s finally made it all the way. Guess why all those newspapers are endorsing him.
Buzzy on December 30, 2007 at 7:59 PM
That’s why this Moderate Democrat is crossing over to the Republican side to vote in the primary for Romney, Hunter, or Tancredo. And I can’t do the last one any more. And I can’t do ANY of the New Direction Democrats…
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 8:13 PM
I’d agree. My concern with McCain is that he is 2008’s Bob Dole. A humorous Senator with a military record who is well liked by America while they elect a Democrat. At least McCain would get to run against the easier Clinton to beat.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Not Fred? Please, explain. I am seriously curious why not, after you listed those three.
wccawa on December 30, 2007 at 8:18 PM
If John McCain had been successful, your grand children would be speaking spanish & adopting a 3rd world culture when only a generation before him, real partiots stopped him from having to speak german.
An mknife in the back
DwnSouthJukin on December 30, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Not Fred? Please, explain. I am seriously curious why not, after you listed those three.
wccawa on December 30, 2007 at 8:18 PM
I’ve never had the impression that he was serious about being president. He looked better today, but, just not much fire there. Just my opinion.
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 8:28 PM
He may or may not have purposeful contempt for the American people, however its entirely possible to be arrogant as hell and diametrically opposed to Conservative ideology with little to no contempt.
If anybody proves its possible, John McCain does.
The benefit of military experience is hardly unique and certainly doesn’t supplant a candidate who believes the Constitution is more than a G.D. piece of paper.
Anyone who is looking seriously at John McCain needs to realize that five years in the Hanoi Hilton changes a man in very profound ways.
Demanding of the utmost gratitude and respect? Surely, of benefit to the office of the Presidency? Not necessarily.
We can all be worn out, hollowed out, perhaps we should gladly tolerate John’s personality faults for his great sacrifice for his nation but not to the point of President of the United States, its not an honorary position.
Speakup on December 30, 2007 at 8:29 PM
No, no… I get your point. I just wondered as far as his POSITION on the issue, why he didn’t make your list. Honest.
wccawa on December 30, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Mr. Byler, are you a financial supporter or fundraiser for McCain? Or perhaps one of his lawyers? Your earlier comment denying that McCain’s Shamnesty Bill was not about amnesty sounded a bit like legalese double speak we hear so often from the beltway.
As Michelle, Bryan and Allah have pointed out for months, we already have enforcement laws on the books. Yet we still have sanctuary cities like New York. Why did McCain and others try to rush through the Shamnesty Bill with back door deals when all we really need to do is to enforce the current laws and secure the border?
Zorro on December 30, 2007 at 8:35 PM
No, no… I get your point. I just wondered as far as his POSITION on the issue, why he didn’t make your list. Honest.
wccawa on December 30, 2007 at 8:31 PM
If he wins the nomination, maybe I’ll consider him…I just don’t see it happening though. However, things can change.
DfDeportation on December 30, 2007 at 8:41 PM
No, just the ones apposed to shamnesty, which is the majority of the American people.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2007 at 8:45 PM
Our founding father’s declared independence from Great Brittan, a first world country, and McShamnesty wanted, and almost certainly still wants, to declare American dependence on Mexico, a third world country.
Our founding fathers would be horrified.
Lincoln freed the slaves and McShamnesty wants to institutionalize a form of serfdom.
Lincoln would be horrified.
MB4 on December 30, 2007 at 9:01 PM
I agree with your points.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 9:15 PM
My children speak some Spanish, not the worst thing in the world. You’ll probably continue to see over the next 20 years more of the 3rd world adopting 1st world culture–at least that is where a lot of the investment dollars have been turning this decade.
McCain’s father was one of those patriots you refer to, at least against the Japanese. Also, it wasn’t likely by December 1941 that Germany would have been able to launch an invasion of the U.S., occupy us and give us German lessons.
dedalus on December 30, 2007 at 9:27 PM
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