Don’t forget all those post election administrative appointments Mitt would make. NTTAWWT. Iraquis aren’t the only ones who like a strong horse. However, if Tanc was wrong on horsepower, he may have some time on his hands for the next four years.

a capella on December 30, 2007 at 2:47 PM

I think Tanc will run for a Senate seat.
He may like the idea of an administration appointment but he has options.

Don’t take it personally, Gregor. Your post was just a random example of something hideous that’s going on here. There’s plenty of it from all sides.

The point is not your post – or your candidate.

The point is that we better fix what we’re doing. This is all becoming a counter-productive, self-destructive circle jerk.

We. Must. Stop.
Professor Blather on December 30, 2007 at 3:58 PM

Dude, you gotta relax. There’s nothing ‘hideous going on’. It’s just folks postin’, so agree with ya, some don’t.

I misrepresented nothing.
Professor Blather on December 30, 2007 at 3:58 PM

Ummm- actually you did.

Some of you honestly believe that if I don’t vote for Fred – for Fred and only Fred – I’m not a conservative?

Oh – and if I don’t support Flip-Flop Romney, I’m an anti-Mormon bigot?

Yet if I speak out against actual anti-Mormon bigotry, I’m being too politically correct?

If I vote for Giuliani – I’m in favor of illegal immigration?

No middle ground? No gray area? No complexities at all? No compromise? Vote Fred! Or you’re a liberal!?!?
Professor Blather on December 30, 2007 at 2:34 PM

NO ONE said anything of the kind, Professor.
In case you missed it the first time, this is my take on the ‘misrepresentation:

Come’on now Professor- if you’re gonna attack someone’s statement then ya gotta attack it FAIR. Gregor never said that if you don’t vote Fred you’re not conservative. He said…

If you’re a conservative, a vote for any of these candidates is a vote to move your Party even further to the left.
And I happen to agree. You can be a conservative and vote for whoever you want too. For whatever reason you want too.

You gotta stop gittin’ yer panties all twisted up. Nobody is sayin’ you’re not conservative okay?

And, I DO root fot the cowboys (and FDT), so that means I’m not a communist. Thank God, I was worried there for a minute.

Ex-tex on December 30, 2007 at 2:43 PM

It looks like the left still wants to draft Albert Gore. If we don’t sort this out in the next few weeks, I think we’ll begin to play with similar ideas, just don’t know whom to draft. I’m even thinking that Fred/John McCain might go for a third party, if both don’t make it…crazy, I know, but not impossible. This is a weird election season.

Somebody call Dr. Phil!

Or Lorena Bobbitt maybe.

I quit. Entelechy and WcCawa, meet me at the blimp. Bring Jessica. I don’t care which one. I’m outtie.

Professor Blather on December 30, 2007 at 3:58 PM

Heh, what a fun meeting that would be, as we’re all a bit ‘nutty’, in a good way. Endorphins would be released galore.

But Professor, please don’t ‘float’ away until after the primaries. We do need a voice of reason here, or one with your wit to make it. My head is spinning from all the spinning. If it weren’t for you and a few others, I’d start drinking. It would be a beginning. Nothing against it – I just simply don’t care much for it. So, please don’t go.

You also completely ignore the fact that a win by Giuliani, Huckabee, or McCain will forever push the GOP to the left. All future candidates will move to the left with the feeling that it’s what’s needed to win, instead of all future candidates “moving to the right” after seeing Fred win.

Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 5:26 PM

It’s also important to point out that a win by either of these three candidates will give a big huge thumbs up to all future candidate flip-flopping, basically telling them that the American people have absolutely no concern whatsoever for honesty or integrity. All that matters is that you come out and say what we want to hear.

It’s sickening that most of those supporting these candidates are the very same people who spent the last several years humiliating John Kerry for being a flip-flopper. Be consistent folks.

McCain leads in latest national Rasmussen poll…….

You are literally saying you would rather have a President with no conservative values than one who is mostly conservative. Grow up.

davenp35 on December 30, 2007 at 5:14 PM

Somehow, you seem to be completely unable to comprehend the English language.

It shouldn’t take you 27 readings of our comments to understand that our point is that the other candidates HAVE NO CONSERVATIVE VALUES! They are frauds!

You also completely ignore the fact that a win by Giuliani, Huckabee, or McCain will forever push the GOP to the left. All future candidates will move to the left with the feeling that it’s what’s needed to win, instead of all future candidates “moving to the right” after seeing Fred win.

I know you’re smart enough to see that there’s an extremely different direction in our future based on who wins this election.

And just to be blunt, I’d much rather have Hillary than Huckabee because I know the Clintons are capable of brutality, which means they’ll be willing to do what’s needed to protect us from Islamic nutjobs. Huckabee won’t. Huckabee will want to sit down and bargain with them.

Sorry. I WILL NOT vote for a liberal to represent the conservative Party and I will NOT vote for a liberal in order to beat another liberal, and I will NOT help to guarantee the end of the GOP as a conservative Party just so we can all jump up and down and yell “WE WIN” at the end.

You go right ahead.

Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 4:47 PM

Well then you fit my description perfectly. Congrats on being so selfish that you would rather see an actual liberal in charge running our country than have your ego bruised temporarily. Which percentage is bigger 90% or 0%? You are literally saying you would rather have a President with no conservative values than one who is mostly conservative. Grow up.

davenp35 on December 30, 2007 at 4:38 PM

Yes, I read it all. In fact, I just read it all again just to make sure.

Are you saying that’s not what you said?

If you and others mean what you say on here and are in fact the biggest cynics on the face of planet Earth, then the Republican Party is indeed done, but not because we nominate people who don’t fit the mold of a perfect conservative, but because people like you allow liberals to make progress just because you’re pissed off.

davenp35 on December 30, 2007 at 3:38 PM

I stand by my comment:

You’re suggesting that we vote for liberals to represent what is supposed to be the conservative Party, and you claim WE’RE the ones allowing liberals to make progress?

Interesting.

Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 4:05 PM

Sorry. I WILL NOT vote for a liberal to represent the conservative Party and I will NOT vote for a liberal in order to beat another liberal, and I will NOT help to guarantee the end of the GOP as a conservative Party just so we can all jump up and down and yell “WE WIN” at the end.

You go right ahead.

but not because we nominate people who don’t fit the mold of a perfect conservative, but because people like you allow liberals to make progress just because you’re pissed off.

davenp35 on December 30, 2007 at 3:38 PM

Heh. Let me get this straight. You’re suggesting that we vote for liberals to represent what is supposed to be the conservative Party, and you claim WE’RE the ones allowing liberals to make progress?

Interesting.

Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 4:05 PM

Might want to go back and read what I wrote again. You obviously didn’t take it all in the first time.

RED MEAT for Fredheads.–wccawa on December 30, 2007 at 1:53 PM

http://fredfile.fred08.com/blog/2007/video-freds-message-to-iowa-voters/

Take the time to hear Fred’s complete message, y’all.

The left IS hijacking America, every portion of the population. The Conservative concern should not be dismissed, but appreciated for demanding to be heard instead of drowned by the leftist tsunami.

Fred is the most highly trained and experienced Republican expert on international/domestic law and legal ramifications regarding our national security, and the ONLY candidate combining that expertise with the calm handed prowess to keep domestic liberalism and international fascism at bay from OUR domain.

Fred is the level headed candidate with real intestinal fortitude (not the acid reflux that anal retentive populists demand in guise as “fire in the belly”).

Fred is the most generous candidate with regard to crediting integrity, even that of opponents. He reflects the best character running for POTUS, able to deliver a sincere compliment without losing ground to an opponent. THAT’S EFFECTIVE DIPLOMACY you won’t see from another leading Republican candidate. There’s no way that Europeans could refer to Fred Thompson as the “ugly American” on the international forum. Furthermore, those from the Near and Far East would have no easy mark from President Thompson.

Fred Thompson works efficiently and effectively in the Senate without further compromising conservatism and has made his stand against liberal socialism for his presidency.

Fred Thompson supports States Rights.

There is no other candidate who will protect what I hold dear as an American. During this PRIMARY SEASON I would entreat all conservative Republicans to vote on PLATFORM, and not for an expensive charade.

With regard for my rights and for conserving our Constitutional Government from further erosion from liberalism, I support Fred Thompson.

Don’t deny Fred Thompson your vote because you doubt his chance. Remember, Harry Truman pulled off a victory against the “given” Dewey. Geez, why give Democrats then more show of faith than Republicans today?

Fred has the chance that I and every conservative American give him to win.

fred08.com

broker1 on December 30, 2007 at 4:07 PM

Oh, my mistake. I thought you were gonna sit out the general. Sorry.

Your words speak for themselves. There is no ambiguous meaning there.

Professor Blather on December 30, 2007 at 3:58 PM

You know? It’s really pathetic when readers feel the need to be dishonest in order to support their views. I understand mistakes. I understand misunderstandings. But I just have a hard time dealing with blatent dishonesty.

It might be possible that you misunderstood what I had said the first time, but I then corrected you and pointed you to my specific quote. Unfortunately, you simply ignored it and insisted on leaving it out of your SECOND attempt to misrepresent what I had said. There’s absolutely no way a person can read the following quote and come up with the meaning that you claimed. Especially after I BOLDED the second line for you:

And Vizzini is either not a conservative, or a conservative who doesn’t feel it’s important to stand on his convictions.

Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 2:07 PM

A CONSERVATIVE who doesn’t feel it’s important to stand on his convictions.

Notice the word “CONSERVATIVE?”

It really sucks and having knowledge of your posts on HotAir I would have expected a simple apology.

Your words speak for themselves. There is no ambiguous meaning there.

Professor Blather on December 30, 2007 at 3:58 PM

You’re absolutely correct. My words are quite clearly NOT saying that if you vote for anyone other than Fred you’re not a conservative. I quite clearly said that if you’re a conservative, you SHOULD refuse to vote for any other candidate.

I can’t misrepresent something when I post every word.

You just did, and you didn’t post every word. So now I have to call you a liar. Can you point me to the spot in your comment where you posted this?

… or a conservative who doesn’t feel it’s important to stand on his convictions.

Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 2:07 PM

csdeven on December 30, 2007 at 3:59 PM

Im not sitting out, I will fight tooth and nail for Fred and there is nothing anyone can say to sway me of that. Having said that, whoever wins the primary gets my vote. I was just responding to the direct blame of people that sit out.

There are other issues that could cause our loss in the general. Every candidate we have have issues that will be brought up in the general and then you have the impact of either Bloomberg and Ron Paul running independent.

but not because we nominate people who don’t fit the mold of a perfect conservative, but because people like you allow liberals to make progress just because you’re pissed off.

davenp35 on December 30, 2007 at 3:38 PM

Heh. Let me get this straight. You’re suggesting that we vote for liberals to represent what is supposed to be the conservative Party, and you claim WE’RE the ones allowing liberals to make progress?

Interesting.

broker1 on December 30, 2007 at 3:51 PM

I hate to see conservatives sitting out and letting straight up liberals have their way. I understand the sentiment, but I don’t agree that it will accomplish anything. The conservative party learned nothing from the vote for Perot in 1992. Clinton won and we got 8 years of his escapades and inept handling of our first lines of national defense, which in turn gave us 9/11. ANY rep (except RP) is better than any dem and they certainly will keep our military and intel communities strong. And yes, as much as Fred disgusts me, he would do so also, and therefore I would not stay home on election day.

Not true. Didn’t say that and I’d appreciate it if you don’t misrepresent my words.

Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 2:45 PM

I misrepresented nothing. This is the entirety of your post, including the comment you pasted, which you were responding to:

You’re equating a “no” vote on Fred to be a vote that will haunt us in 10 years?

Vizzini on December 30, 2007 at 1:35 PM

Yes, I am. Any other vote is a vote for a fraud and a vote for a candidate who has a history of liberal policies. If you’re a conservative, a vote for any of these candidates is a vote to move your Party even further to the left. IF you’re a conservative, you should absolutely refuse to vote for any other candidate.

Gregor on December 30, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Your words speak for themselves. There is no ambiguous meaning there. Read them. I can’t misrepresent something when I post every word.

Unless you went to the Mitt Romney See-Saw School of Semantics, there isn’t even a question about your meaning. I couldn’t have taken them out of context – every word is there.

So now not only are we spinning the candidates words beyond all credulity – we’re even spinning our own posts?

Jesus Herbert Walker Christ.

Don’t take it personally, Gregor. Your post was just a random example of something hideous that’s going on here. There’s plenty of it from all sides.

The point is not your post – or your candidate.

The point is that we better fix what we’re doing. This is all becoming a counter-productive, self-destructive circle jerk.

We. Must. Stop.

Whatever. Cowboys are on. Let the sophomoric hate from all sides continue. You guys have fun.

I quit. Entelechy and WcCawa, meet me at the blimp. Bring Jessica. I don’t care which one. I’m outtie.

but if you actually do sit it out, YOU will be the one I blame if the party doesn’t win in the general. I’m not trying to attack you personally, but some people on here need to wake up. At least think about what I’m saying.

davenp35 on December 30, 2007 at 3:38 PM

Thats arrogant, heaven forbid you look inward and realize perhaps you elected someone in the primary that was unelectable in the general. No, that couldnt possible be.

NEVER!

Fred’s the only right wing conservative running.
What are you going to do Repubs?