Video: The case for Fred
posted at 10:28 am on December 28, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Process of elimination via Right Wing News. Fredheads may be interested to know that their guy, in his hour of need, with a fundraising deadline less than eight hours away, is still almost $100,000 from his goal. For all my jokey comparisons between the ‘Heads and the Paulnuts, this much is clear: Either the ‘Nuts have a lot more disposable income or the ‘Heads aren’t nearly as enamored of their candidate as they claim. Chop chop.
As the rest of the field works hard to lower expectations in Iowa, Fred’s actually raising his. Last month it was fourth place that was unacceptable. Today the goalposts have moved. Does he know something we don’t or is it a simple case of not wanting to admit on television that he’ll be happy, and lucky, just to take the bronze?
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or the ‘Heads aren’t nearly as enamored of their candidate as they claim. Chop chop.
Have you sent your donation in yet?
amish on December 28, 2007 at 10:38 AM
OK… OK… ya got me….
I’ll vote for Fred if he’s the nominee….
Cause… ya know… I like Puppies…
But some children on the other hand…..
Romeo13 on December 28, 2007 at 10:39 AM
Sure haven’t. I’m not a Fredhead.
Allahpundit on December 28, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Ref fund raiser: Been there, done that, and while I would love to give more my pockets are telling me it is end of the month and the mailbox is full.
Funny vid. Puppies rock…but you can keep the kids.
Limerick on December 28, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Honestly, I’ll think he’ll reach the $248K goal. Don’t ask me why, I just think he will.
Y’know, one of the things that really amazes me about his campaign is how many people are contributing that have never done so before.
I even know of one Kucinich (!!!!!!) fan that contributed to Fred. Go figger.
Save the puppies. Think of the children.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Come on Fred.
Witherpd on December 28, 2007 at 10:42 AM
I think he will too. There’ll be a late afternoon push.
Allahpundit on December 28, 2007 at 10:42 AM
I have a feeling internal polling is a lot more accurate than what we’ve been fed. That said, it is difficult to imagine Fred is brimming with confidence right now, and the fact they mismanged timing on the need for funds for a TV ad in the final sprint doesn’t leave me with a warm feeling regarding his campaign management. I’ve felt all along Fred would do better in Iowa than it appeared, but if he doesn’t, I can live very nicely with Mitt or Rudy. I hope he sticks with it until at least the SC event.
a capella on December 28, 2007 at 10:45 AM
What kind of salute was that kid giving?
JetBoy on December 28, 2007 at 10:45 AM
Ron Paul is a farce…Fred has coherent ideas for our country that leave us in power.
tomas on December 28, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Sure haven’t. I’m not a Fredhead.
The Hell you say?
Well knock me over with a feather.
amish on December 28, 2007 at 10:47 AM
Yup. And what’s this I hear about Fred getting into the next Fox Debate but Paul not? Not a Ronulan or a Fredhead, and I know we’ve talked about how a Paul-less debate would be more concentrated… but… c’mon now. Really, what does $18m buy a candidate nowadays if not a seat at a primary debate, particularly with just one primary state having been decided?
Vizzini on December 28, 2007 at 10:48 AM
A blimp?
a capella on December 28, 2007 at 10:51 AM
That video is lame. Should have farmed out the narration to Bryan or something.
Spirit of 1776 on December 28, 2007 at 10:51 AM
Vizzini on December 28, 2007 at 10:48 AM
That link says ‘confirmed’, as opposed to ‘invited’. Do you have another link that says who was invited?
Spirit of 1776 on December 28, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Donated first day and proud of it!
labwrs on December 28, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Actually, I’m somewhat relieved that we’re fighting to hit this fund-raising goal.
Had we raised $248K in a matter of minutes, I would have felt haunted by the ghost of RP.
Not acceptable.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 10:54 AM
If Fred had Paul’s money he wouldn’t be shooting for third.
Thing is, weird as Paul’s coalition of truther’s, racists, anarchists, and the easily fleeced is, Paul has never really had to whine about not meating a 1/4 mil fundraising goal.
Probably because Paul is insane, and an insane man gathers more attention than a sane one. Problem is, Fred hasn’t been able to harness any sensationalism his way at all.
Maybe Fred should hold some kind of 21-gun salute for the second amendment and the US military or something. It’d be better than offering a prayer that the Fredheads will come through. Csdeven isn’t on today Fredheads, I think that means Fred’s fundraising goal is bust.
BKennedy on December 28, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Anyone else just a little curious about where those millions have come from? Next week is disclosure time, isn’t it? Looks like I might have to get out my shovel and do some digging.
ChrisM on December 28, 2007 at 10:56 AM
He’s aiming for $250K in a few days while Paul gets $6M in that amount of time.
I’m depressed…
AlexB on December 28, 2007 at 10:57 AM
Why is he moving the goalposts? Because he wants to leave himself a way out after NH.
Duh.
EduardoOTI on December 28, 2007 at 10:57 AM
Man, the Paulnuts are seriously freaking out on that debate link… looking up home phone numbers and the like.
Scary, scary people.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 10:59 AM
LOL!
Tennman on December 28, 2007 at 11:01 AM
No way.
liberrocky on December 28, 2007 at 11:02 AM
Lol. Stop you’re making me dizzy with all that spin!
Spirit of 1776 on December 28, 2007 at 11:02 AM
How is his camp going to spin this if they don’t meet their goal? The guy’s starved for cash and desperate to show there’s an 11th hour grassroots surge behind him — and he can’t raise $250,000 in three days? Pathetic.
Allahpundit on December 28, 2007 at 11:05 AM
I know I wish I had the money to donate to Fred!, but I barely have enough money to ‘donate’ to my other expenses. I really want him to get the nomination though.
the goddess anna on December 28, 2007 at 11:05 AM
I’m serious. I’ve been through my share of campaigns over the past few decades, and this one just feels right. I can’t even imagine what being part of the RP machine would feel like. Ugh.
If we make the goal, great. If not, we just keep fighting and movin’ on.
No spin intended… just passing along my personal feelings.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:06 AM
I would not attempt to spin it, AP. Obviously, I would be extremely disappointed if we can’t hit this goal.
It’s just that simple.
Regardless, I would still support Fred’s campaign.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:08 AM
I have never given to a Presidential candidate. I have never believed in one this strongly. I sent Fred! all that I could afford to send this morning. I hope he can move forward.
mimi1220 on December 28, 2007 at 11:10 AM
My man should have promised one fence post for every $100 raised. All our ATM cards would be smoking!
Limerick on December 28, 2007 at 11:10 AM
I”m with wccawa. I’d be very disappointed, no spin.
But will I put the best face I can on it and just move forward? You betcha.
Tennman on December 28, 2007 at 11:12 AM
No Sh*t.
WHY?
Who’s gonna do better on the things we care most about?
Ex-tex on December 28, 2007 at 11:12 AM
That seems to me to be the bigger issue. Is this ad going to vault him into 2nd in Iowa? Unlikely, if he moves to second it would because an exodus from Huck voters to Mr. Endorsed by Right to Life.
That video with the cowboy hat from a few days ago, as Limerick rightly noted at the time, was not about the hat as it much as call for fundraising. He needs to show a financial surge to go along with his 5-a-day bus tour. That’s more important probably then the actual ad. I know some of his supporters, Hollowpoint for ex, think it is distasteful to the point of unethical to donate to your own campaign, but if I were Fred and he falls shy of his fundraising, I’d sure think about it. The illusion of success is more important then the reality of failure even in the face of 3rd place in Iowa.
Spirit of 1776 on December 28, 2007 at 11:16 AM
I thought the video was fine even excellent, until the auteur tried to get cute with the kids and puppy stuff. What was with that? Yes, the Paul Nuts are absolutely more networked and on the internet, no doubt. Still, it ain’t over till its over.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 28, 2007 at 11:17 AM
That voice sounds just like Michael Berry of Houston’s KTRH radio.
Fred is the obvious choice if,
1. you want a Republican to win.
2. you love America.
HuckMittRudyPaul will guarantee a Dem win.
TheSitRep on December 28, 2007 at 11:17 AM
I’ve sent pretty much all I can afford, and even a bit more than that. Certain posters are a great bit of persuasion to give even more.
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 11:17 AM
If he had done that I’d now be giving to him instead of Mitt. LOL
davenp35 on December 28, 2007 at 11:18 AM
How much can you hock an i-Phone for these days?
Limerick on December 28, 2007 at 11:19 AM
Did he say “physical conservative?”
Farmer_Joe on December 28, 2007 at 11:19 AM
physical security
Limerick on December 28, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Careful, Lim, that’s possible bannage.
Tennman on December 28, 2007 at 11:20 AM
It all boils down to this: In the months prior to Fred’s joining the race, we were looking for “Reagan Redux”…pining for the days of a strong, take-no-prisoners kind of conservative candidate that would take us back to the glory days of the 80’s White House.
And, speaking as a FredHead myself, Thompson has been, at least until very lately, falling a little short of that. As has been said, he seemed to lose his drive…
But also, I just don’t understand why Fred isn’t the No. 1 candidate. He really does embody the ideals of most Conservative Republicans…unless the GOP has gone more moderate, and we didn’t notice.
JetBoy on December 28, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Oh yes and I did donate as many participants on this blog have. And for that, to Hot Air I am grateful. Otherwise I would not have known about the blog burst in the first place nor have had the means to interact with other Fred Heads here.
Again, thank you A.P. and Hot Air.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 28, 2007 at 11:22 AM
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 11:23 AM
For starters, Romney.
When has Fred ever actually *done* anything for conservatism. And I mean *doing* something, not writing a position paper on it.
There are three verbs that describe Fred’s behavior:
Believe, support, uphold.
He believes in conservative values.
He supports conservative values.
He will uphold conservative values.
The problem is, none of these things imply Fred is going to make any advances for those things.
Contrast this to Tancredo, who can best be described by:
Build, Act, Fight.
Tancredo builds coalitions to work on conservative issues.
Tancredo acts to pass those initiatives and hold those events with his own blood, swear, and tears.
Tancredo fights for what he wants to the bitter end.
Romney is an executive, he’s in the same camp of Build-Act-Fighters as Tancredo is. He didn’t always win of course, but he always had his veto pen at the ready, and forced the legislatiure to supermajority him.
Oh healthcare, Romney didn’t just say he supported this or that, for beter or worse he met with the Heritage Foundation to build a plan.
Romney’s a doer. Fred’s a cheerleader.
BKennedy on December 28, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Bingo.
Like I said earlier, I haven’t abandoned the GOP. It has been abandoning me.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:24 AM
-JetBoy on December 28, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Just the point. Will the Republican Party continue to represent us? Will it cease to be a home for conservatives? Will I still be able to consider my self a republican two years from now?
Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 28, 2007 at 11:30 AM
He did march with MLK, and that’s sayin’ something!
omnipotent on December 28, 2007 at 11:33 AM
$160,168.00 at …………………………………\/
TheSitRep on December 28, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Fred still needs to raise $100,000 by the end of today to run his commercial in Iowa. Doesn’t look too good for Fred right now.
bnelson44 on December 28, 2007 at 11:33 AM
As a Fred supporter I couldn’t agree more. Me thinks many Fred supporters feel like I do. Show me you can raise money consistently and I will jump on board, show me you are serious about this run and I will contribute. Alas he has shown neither.
I get like an email every other week with his campaign panhandling.
broker1 on December 28, 2007 at 11:35 AM
SPIN BABY, SPIN!!!!!
I’m sure this is all part of Fred’s “plan” to win the nomination. Motivate all the Fredheads to flood the blogs with Fred’s begging for money, all the while secretly knowing that he will not make it or barely do so.
Bwahahahahaha!!!!! Fred’s still waiting in the weeds to pounce huh?
After all the hype and promises from last summer, why can’t Fred raise the cash and why are the Fredheads confused about it? I’ll tell you why. Because 90% of the people who were supporting Fred have ceased to support him and the reason some of the Fredheads are confused is that they think just because they are slavishly hanging on past the point of common sense, that must mean that EVERYONE who ever supported Fred is walking the same path. Many of the Fredheads, and I don’t know who you are, have reached wacky Paulbot territory.
Save yourself the embarrassment of a Fred annihilation in a general election. Stop supporting Fred and go for Rudy or Mitt. Regular Americans will NEVER elect a terrorists supporting, dictator loving, cash funneling scumbag like Fraud Thompson.
csdeven on December 28, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Mitt Romney didn’t march with MLK. Mitt Romney’s you was spent training for and going on mission recruiting for a segregationist church.
bnelson44 on December 28, 2007 at 11:36 AM
csdeven is here. Thank God.
Now I KNOW we’re gonna hit the goal!
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:36 AM
you = time
bnelson44 on December 28, 2007 at 11:36 AM
That was fun while it lasted………….NEXT!
omnipotent on December 28, 2007 at 11:37 AM
Well in looking at the somewhat bright side of Fred’s’ fund raising woes, and judging by the comments on here, it would seem that Fred appeals more to the average working Joe then he does the big corporate moneybags. That is a good thing but also goes even further to point out the disparity between the working person and the people with the deep pockets. Without some sponsorship, just like in NASCAR, it is hard to compete.
/Gawd I sound like Edwards
LakeRuins on December 28, 2007 at 11:37 AM
Just my opinion: but I think it is because he just came off the bench. Reagan was preaching his view long before he was elected. The ‘Time for Choosing’ speech was in ‘64! Fred doesn’t really have a record to back up what he is saying now, so he is much less of a known quantity then Reagan.
Secondly, again, just my opinion, a lot of GOP voters are Rovian in that they think we need ‘the most electible’ or best polling candidate, etc. Rove sought to expand the base and consequently altered the perception of the core values. I don’t think those values are gone so much as we expect to put up a compromise candidate from the very beginning. Having said, if Fred were in a Rudy type position with that kind of executive experience, I think he would soar to the top and easily win the general.
Spirit of 1776 on December 28, 2007 at 11:38 AM
That was sarcasm…………..or an attempt, at least.
omnipotent on December 28, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Thank you for coming. I know I couldn’t possibly replicate your true bile-ridden, seething hatred. Thanks to your return, we’ll have the necessary steam to get the fundraising going.
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Why did Fred leave politics
tomas on December 28, 2007 at 11:39 AM
…and we’d be talking about how conservative values – smaller government, national defense, etc – never change and are always winners.
Spirit of 1776 on December 28, 2007 at 11:40 AM
How about this? For every post csdeven makes, we donate $1 to Fred.
All in?
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Need 90 thou yet. A lot of people are getting paid today. We can do this.
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 11:41 AM
To make money
bnelson44 on December 28, 2007 at 11:42 AM
$10
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Heh. Should have used that letting Clinton slide act to secure him some connections with the world’s richest former President.
BKennedy on December 28, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Bwahahahahaha!!!! Where is my pal Entelechy to help me spell scahenfreud?
csdeven on December 28, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Last time I saw her cs she was in a red pickup with some balding guy.
Limerick on December 28, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Here’s one account of why.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:47 AM
What? Mimicing your rants in order to keep people donating to Fred just to spite you? Yeah, I guess that is schadenfreude for you. ;)
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Ok. But when do we begin and end? Today? The whole month? The whole campaign??
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:48 AM
When the significant others start asking why we sold the car. ;)
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Iowa caucuses just don’t matter that much. On another thread someone posted the last several decades of the Iowa results and they only picked the party nominees twice IIRC. The media is making this a lot more important than it really is in the big picture. Gouhliani seems to be the only one who has really figured out that fact. I wouldn’t vote for the man but he has a good organization and understands politics.
deepdiver on December 28, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Face pales, as reality hits.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Yes, please send money to Fred because you dislike me. That says everything anyone needs to know about Fraud Thompson crazies. Don’t vet the guy on his history as a scumbag lawyer and lobbyist, just support him because little old csdeven tells the truth about him. Remember guys, I am a paid Fred operative that does this stuff just to get you to break open your wallets so Jeri can buy more dresses. Your personality disorders make it oh so easy to manipulate you.
Bwahahahaha!!!
He has set up his campaign to speak to the “hide behind the computer in your grandma’s basement and talk tough” types. The types that after they realize Fred has snookered them will never complain, but will rather disappear for a while and come back with a different handle.
csdeven on December 28, 2007 at 11:55 AM
It’s the big states that pick the nominee. Has been for awhile now. But the momentum going into the big states has had a lot to do with who they pick. Unfortunately, we don’t have that many primaries this year before the super, duper Tuesday. I agree Iowa is an anomaly, but if it helps in momentum, good.
Fred, I don’t see right now as having any momentum. McCain seems to be picking up momentum and I wouldn’t be surprised if Fred pulls out after Iowa and endorses McCain.
bnelson44 on December 28, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Ok, that’s two csdeven posts slamming Fred on this thread already.
Rather than make it a specific amount, I’m just gonna go with this:
For every csdeven slam post, we make a contribution. Through the end of the month.
Heading to Fred08 right now.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 11:57 AM
lol. Maybe last summer, but she has cooled significantly for Fred. She does still support him, but if I remember correctly, some of his behavior was problematic for her.
hahaha. That red pickup is sitting on metaphorical blocks and there are only a few Fredheads who think it’s running on the autobahn at 120 MPH.
csdeven on December 28, 2007 at 12:00 PM
I really don’t think that will help much unless you’re driving around in a new Porsche. Trade-in value maybe 10,000. Tops.
Keep your car, it can’t save Fred’s sinking ship.
BKennedy on December 28, 2007 at 12:00 PM
I don’t dislike you. You’re funny and make me laugh. You’re absolutely bugs%#t nuts, but you’re funny. You keep focusing on the same soundbytes that have been clarified and disproven numerous times. Every time someone successfully argues you into a corner or makes a point that you can’t argue, you call them a liar or tell them that somehow Fred lied about what you can’t argue. You’re a total caricature. You’re a political cartoon.
Mitt like gun control and universal health care.
McCain likes Amnesty and hates waterboarding.
Giuliani like sanctuary cities, gun control, health care, etc. Or he doesn’t. Depends on when he said it.
Huckabee likes God, and that’s as conservative as he gets.
Ron Paul posts on message boards under the name csdeven.
Fred Thompson likes gun cont-wait…he’s soft on terror-wait…he’s likes universal heal-wait…he’s pro amnest-wait…he’s a tax rais-wait…
Where was I?
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 12:01 PM
SECOND LOOK AT CSDEVEN AS FRED’S CAMPAIGN MANAGER!
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 12:05 PM
The schadenfreude is in the knowledge that I don’t even have to strike up the band anymore before you start dancing to my tune.
You ARE my favorite 8itch!
hahaha. Schadenfreude babeeeee!!! Schadenfreude!!!
Look, I’m starting to feel embarrassed for you. Let me try to help you out…..stick to the topic at hand and ignore my rants about Fred.
csdeven on December 28, 2007 at 12:06 PM
Moi? Yeah right. I’m the one fella in America who admits to voting for Nixon.
Limerick on December 28, 2007 at 12:06 PM
You were getting ready to explain to the group why the American people will elect a terrorist supporting, dictator loving, cash funneling, pro-choice, anti-free speech scumbag like Fraud Thompson. But your personality disorder kicked in and your mind went blank.
csdeven on December 28, 2007 at 12:09 PM
SECOND LOOK AT BANKRUPTCY!
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 12:10 PM
You don’t have to be a Fredhead to support Fred.
flipflop on December 28, 2007 at 12:12 PM
I’d love to donate to Fred. I’ve never donated anything before. But, my aunt just passed away this morning, and I’m trying to figure out if I can afford to fly from WA state out to Baltimore.
StephC on December 28, 2007 at 12:15 PM
[ChrisM on December 28, 2007 at 10:56 AM]
I spent some time going through his 3rd Q list of A’s to get a feel for their propensities. I made it about half way through and there were few who had R credentials based on past support. The largest identifiable group was Libertarians and had contributed to Libertarian Party candidates in previous elections. The largest group — about half — were first time contributors and while those were on the lower end, $200-$300 range of contributions, it wasn’t out of the ordinary to see $500 and $1000 contributions.
Actually I should clarify the range comment because I didn’t do collate entries into contributers. The lower end range was based on contribution entries, not contributers, and many contributed two or three times, with some when collated approaching the $2,300 limit. I haven’t really looked at it since.
Dusty on December 28, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Steph, so sorry for your loss. Tell ya what. I’ll make a double donation for you and for her. You go take care of your family.
RushBaby on December 28, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Sorry to hear that. Hey, family comes first- don’t forget that.
PS: we’re fellow Evergreen Staters!
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Jim Lynch got inspired:
In fact, I just had an idea (it’s about time, 2007 is almost over) Who is willing to join me by skipping lunch and throwing that couple of bucks into the truck’s gas tank?
bnelson44 on December 28, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Steph:
Done, $25 for each of you.
RushBaby on December 28, 2007 at 12:21 PM
I’m already to the point of skipping utility bills.
wccawa on December 28, 2007 at 12:23 PM
Hey, you’ve added more non-sequiters to your repertoire!
Pro-choice. Let’s see, you base that on that he doesn’t want to criminalize mothers for getting abortions. Strange, but most pro-lifers, including the NRLC (who endorsed Fred) don’t want to criminalize them either. They do want to criminalize doctors, but that would require the outlawing of abortion. Fred is against abortion, as far as he as said, but he wants to take it out of federal jurisdiction and leave it up to the states, something that pro-life organizations have agreed is a step in the right direction. Huh. So, last I heard, you settled on “He’s lying”. that sounds pretty in-sync with your normal arguments.
And anti-free speech? Can’t wait to hear this bit.
And quit saying “8itch”. Either say the actual word or quit acting like a schoolchild who just realized how to bypass the filter on his school internet connection. Are you afraid that moderation might make people take a close look at what you’re typing, and realize it’s inappropriate?
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 12:23 PM
My condolences for your loss. Remember, she’s in a good place.
MadisonConservative on December 28, 2007 at 12:25 PM
My sympathies.
Spirit of 1776 on December 28, 2007 at 12:26 PM
“Dont even get me started on this guy.”
That’s all the narrator had to say about Paul. Does he even know that Paul and Thompson disagree on exactly ONE major point – foreign policy? OK, OK, I know that’s a big point, but Paul and Fred are cut from the same Federalist\Constitutionalist cloth with the exception of campaign finance reform, which Fred is on the wrong side of.
People, please stop listening to 30 second sound bites of Ron Paul saying silly things. Go YouTube some real Paul videos where he elaborates on his plans. Sounds a lot like Fred with the exception of foreign policy.
Start by Googling/YouTubeing Paul’s appearance on The View, some of it was posted here. He opened the ultimate can of PWNAGE on those libtard ladies concerning abortion. Conservative Christians here need to point out to me any of the candidates who will do as good a job fighting the abortion lobby as Paul will.
y2church on December 28, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Five hours and 78k to go……ah well…AT&T doesn’t need the money as bad as Fred.
Limerick on December 28, 2007 at 12:27 PM
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