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Video: “Never Surrender”; Video: Admirals and generals endorse McCain

posted at 1:07 pm on December 26, 2007 by Allahpundit
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This one’s set to start airing soon in South Carolina, proof that Maverick’s already thinking beyond New Hampshire.

Unnerved and underwhelmed by a lackluster field, the boss contemplates the unthinkable: SECOND LOOK AT McCAIN! Click the image to watch.

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Update: SECOND LOOK AT MILITARY SUPPORT FOR McCAIN!


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SECOND LOOK AT McCAIN!

Never.

P. James Moriarty on December 26, 2007 at 1:12 PM

The Fred bounce will come.

TexasDan on December 26, 2007 at 1:16 PM

Michelle,
If we choose to elect politicians that ignore the electorate and do just what they please, as McCain has done on campaign finance reform, Bush Tax cuts, and Illegal immigration, then we get just what we deserve, a government that doesn’t give a damn about the people it serves.

paulsur on December 26, 2007 at 1:17 PM

Picture it: John McCain paired with a Democratic Congress. It ought to be enough to make you nervous.

paul006 on December 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

Contemplates…and throws blanket over head, wishing to fast-forward to 2012.

Michelle on December 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

Are the five stars towards the end of the commercial a reference to something?

TexasDan on December 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

The Fred bounce will come.

TexasDan on December 26, 2007 at 1:16 PM

Please let it be soon.

thejackal on December 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

OT: Will someone clue me in on the ‘Second Look’ joke? Thanks.

tlynch001 on December 26, 2007 at 1:20 PM

Michelle,
If we choose to elect politicians that ignore the electorate and do just what they please, as McCain has done on campaign finance reform, Bush Tax cuts, and Illegal immigration, then we get just what we deserve, a government that doesn’t give a damn about the people it serves.

Indeed. We get what we deserve.

Michelle on December 26, 2007 at 1:20 PM

While water boarding McCain, ask him this question “Will you build the double-walled fence across the entire Southern boarder, and aggressively apprehend and deport illegal aliens starting your first month in office”?

If the answer is yes, then it’s probably because according to St. John, all information gathered during “torture” is unreliable. So, no way in hell.

AZCON on December 26, 2007 at 1:21 PM

Excellent ad. Try picturing Romney or Thompson pounding the podium declaring that America will “never surrender.” It just doesn’t work. This is McCain’s real strong point; only Rudy comes close among the top five candidates, although I could imagine Duncan Hunter whipping up a pep talk worthy of the best high school football coaches in the nation.

Big S on December 26, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Sorry boys and girls but McCain lost it all with his amnesty talk a few months ago. Also, we haven’t forgotten about the ‘Keating Five’ of many years ago. If I remember it right McCain was right in the middle of some kind of shady deal with money or influence (or both) changing hands. Somebody could probably refresh our memories as to the fine details. Just like the Clintons, it all just slid off his back.
His backing of the illegal alien amnesty bill was enough to turm me off !

OBX Pete on December 26, 2007 at 1:25 PM

Our memories are collectively too short. It was not a long time ago that McCain forced me to get on the phone and pester my reps on an hourly basis with the demand that we don’t allow our country to be sucked down the Amnesty drain. John McCain proved to me that he has the longest arms in the country by getting in bed with and wrapping his arms around that fat blimp Teddy “Kopechney” Kennedy. He is on the wrong side of the most important issue of my lifetime and his main selling point to me is that I should vote for him because he refuses to change his mind. When John McCain was calling me a biggot for refusing to allow our country to be ripped of its soverienty I stated flatly that I could never again vote for that man. I repeat: I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN. NEVER.

And the fact that he has the gaul to say in his ad that he refuses to give in to special interest! McCain/Kennedy is the mother of all special interest sellouts.

I’m sorry but here are the facts about what I KNOW I will get with a McCain presidency:
1). Amnesty for Illegal Aliens and wide open borders. There will be a flood of illegals the likes of which we have never seen before the day McCain takes his oath of office.
2). Higher Taxes
3). Nanny state government sticking its nose into every aspect of my life.
4). Reduction of free speech. Do you think that John McCain would stand up against something like the Fairness Doctrine? Bulls**t. He would be one of the nanny staters pushing that garbage down our throats the same way he tried to shove Amnesty down our throats.

We don’t need John McCain to win the War on Terror. All we need is a smart, truly patriotic American with an uderstanding of the forces at work in the world. John McCain is far too much of a fool on far too many issues. He needs to get his head straight, change the R in front of his name to a D and live out the rest of his days in his rightful place. Certainly not at the top of the Republican ticket.

I will never vote for John McCain.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Actually, McCain has been acting presidential as a Senator. His job right now is to represent his constituents, not his own interests. The president’s job is quite different…to act in the best interests of the nation, based his own beliefs.

To elect a senator, select a man who will put aside his own opinions to do the bidding of his electorate. To elect a president, select someone who you feel would best reflect your politics.

McCain really is not very good at either. But far better than Hillary.

stonemeister on December 26, 2007 at 1:33 PM

We could do a lot worse than President John McCain

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 1:33 PM

While water boarding McCain,
AZCON on December 26, 2007 at 1:21 PM

Regardless of my disagreement with McCain on Interrogation techniques and just about everything else short of the GWOT, your choice to suggest torture and McCain in the same sentance is a bunch of crap. Don’t you ever forget what he endured while wearing the uniform. He may be the worst Republican in the world, but don’t ever insult his service.

juanito on December 26, 2007 at 1:33 PM

paulsur on December 26, 2007 at 1:17 PM

Problem being, you have to vote for someone. You only have the choices in front of you. Welcome to democracy. Which candidate on either side or even any 3rd party doesnt fit that description?

McCain fits my number one criteria: He’s a good person. After that things get dicey ;) Would I vote for him? Over Hillary or Obama? In a New York minute. Hell I’d stride into the voting booth head high and not even have to hold my nose. Well, maybe one nostril.

Dash on December 26, 2007 at 1:34 PM

Contemplates…and throws blanket over head, wishing to fast-forward to 2012.

Michelle on December 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

How many real conservatives are in this race. Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson. While I love my own congressman Duncan Hunter he just cant get any traction, that leaves Fred Thompson.

My personal opinion Michelle is that you should endorse Fred Thompson, you wont have to throw any blankets over your head for doing so. And your endorsement will be going to a genuine conservative.

doriangrey on December 26, 2007 at 1:35 PM

OT: Will someone clue me in on the ‘Second Look’ joke? Thanks.

tlynch001 on December 26, 2007 at 1:20 PM

All the candidates are flawed in some way (even Fred, to a small extent), and those flaws keep popping up, possibly justifying a second look at a different candidate.

Except AP started the joke with “SECOND LOOK AT HUCKABEE”, which is a joke because few if any of us actually consider him an acceptable candidate.

Hollowpoint on December 26, 2007 at 1:35 PM

If we choose to elect politicians that ignore the electorate and do just what they please, as McCain has done on campaign finance reform, Bush Tax cuts, and Illegal immigration, then we get just what we deserve, a government that doesn’t give a damn about the people it serves.

paulsur on December 26, 2007 at 1:17 PM

Ditto, in a big way. The only thing I can see that McVain has going for him is “electability”, as he is compromised just about everywhere else.

Contemplates…and throws blanket over head, wishing to fast-forward to 2012.

Michelle on December 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

Posted by me over at your blog, re-posted here:

I sometimes think we might be in a situation similar to 1976, where it might actually be better for our long-term prospects if we lost in ‘08. Being completely out of power might have the effect of getting the various party factions to put aside their differences, and I can see us retaking congress in a big way in 2010 after 2 years of liberalism run amok, and retaking the WH in 2012 if we get a candidate with some real depth that could beat one of the lightweights that the Dems are sure to nominate.

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 1:36 PM

My personal opinion Michelle is that you should endorse Fred Thompson, you wont have to throw any blankets over your head for doing so. And your endorsement will be going to a genuine conservative.

doriangrey on December 26, 2007 at 1:35 PM

I’m in Fred’s camp as well (largely due to the unacceptability of the other front-runners), but I can’t blame Michelle or HA for not endorsing a candidate- imagine the outrageous outragey outrageousness from the Romniacs that would follow.

As it is any remotely negative story posted about Mitt, Fred or Rudy almost always includes one or more comments from that candidate’s supporters whining that AP, Bryan or HA hates that candidate and is posting the story in furtherance of some sort of vendetta.

Hollowpoint on December 26, 2007 at 1:40 PM

We don’t need John McCain to win the War on Terror. All we need is a smart, truly patriotic American with an uderstanding of the forces at work in the world.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 1:32 PM

And that “smart, truly patriotic American with an uderstanding of the forces at work in the world” you’re thinking of is …. ?

Blacksheep on December 26, 2007 at 1:42 PM

We could do a lot worse better than President John McCain

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 1:33 PM

FIFY.

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 1:45 PM

I sometimes think we might be in a situation similar to 1976, where it might actually be better for our long-term prospects if we lost in ‘08. Being completely out of power might have the effect of getting the various party factions to put aside their differences, and I can see us retaking congress in a big way in 2010 after 2 years of liberalism run amok, and retaking the WH in 2012 if we get a candidate with some real depth that could beat one of the lightweights that the Dems are sure to nominate.

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 1:36 PM

I’m right there with you. The main fear I have of this, though, is the Supreme Court and who the Dems would get appointed should there be a new vacancy (or 2). It wouldn’t be a 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 year nightmare but, possibly, a 20 or 30 or 40 year nightmare.

BowHuntingTexas on December 26, 2007 at 1:48 PM

Should it come down to it, I would hold my nose and vote McCain over any Democrat not because I have any illusions but because he would present the only hope we shall have of preventing the appointment of leftist judges to the Supreme and Federal Courts. As for holding the line on immigration, even under the best of circumstances, that’s still going to require an intense, continued and frankly better organized vigilance from the grass roots level than we have lately shown (though we CAN do it!).

One supposes a similar rational for Huckabee too, unless we consider Defense and Foreign Policy where we have good reason to believe McCain should strong and Huckabee, anything but.

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 26, 2007 at 1:49 PM

I empathize with not being a fan of “we could do worse” and “he beats the alternative”. I really do. I’m already cringing at having to defend the Republican nomination. Whoever it is!

That said, the people whining about this and wishing it away sound an awful lot like Liberals berating every choice and being against everything and for nothing.

We support Saddam over Iran because he is the lesser of two evils and promotes stability of power…. You bastards!

We go in to remove Saddam from Kuwait … You bastards!

We try to avoid more war by instituting tough sanctions … You bastards!

We try to ease the sanction for humanitarian reasons… You bastards!

Tough choices in this world, tough decisions, scenarios with no good answers. Lots of lesser of two evils picks there. Can we do better? Good Lord I’d hope so. But for now, gimme who you support or what you propose to do or really… sthu.

Dash on December 26, 2007 at 1:53 PM

The scary part Michelle is your poll.

I admit, sadly, that I also answered that I would hold my nose.

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 1:54 PM

I’m right there with you. The main fear I have of this, though, is the Supreme Court and who the Dems would get appointed should there be a new vacancy (or 2). It wouldn’t be a 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 year nightmare but, possibly, a 20 or 30 or 40 year nightmare.

BowHuntingTexas on December 26, 2007 at 1:48 PM

I hear you loud and clear. But if we are stupid enough to nominate John “Gang of 14″ McVain or Mike “Never mind my liberal policies - I love Jesus more than the other guys” Huckabee, then we deserve what we get.

Considering their respective records, I’m not very confident that McVain or the Huckster would do all that much better than any of the democrats. While neither would probably nominate someone as flamingly left wing as Buzzi Ginsburg, they’d probably nominate justices of the same tempermant as Squishy Sandra (Day O’Connor).

Translation: We’re screwed either way.

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 1:57 PM

The main fear I have of this, though, is the Supreme Court and who the Dems would get appointed should there be a new vacancy (or 2). It wouldn’t be a 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 year nightmare but, possibly, a 20 or 30 or 40 year nightmare.

BowHuntingTexas on December 26, 2007 at 1:48 PM

Exactly right, this is what is really at stake here. I used to think that we should right off this election in order to generate a new Regan type revolution in this country. But I think the price right now would be just too high.

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 1:59 PM

And that “smart, truly patriotic American with an uderstanding of the forces at work in the world” you’re thinking of is …. ?

Blacksheep on December 26, 2007 at 1:42 PM

I think you can make a very easy case that Rudy, Mitt and Fred are all far more intelligent then McCain. My point is we can find equal or better value from any of the major Republican Candidates when it comes to the issue of foreign policy and the GWOT then we can get with McCain. The fact that McCain is a Democrat on just about every other major issue just underscores the fact that he should not be our nominee. Just allow McCain 5 mins to discuss the issue of interrogation/waterboarding and you will be secure in the belief that he is not worth his reputation as a good war time leader. His ineptness will be as obvious as Hillary’s.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:00 PM

Translation: We’re screwed either way.

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 1:57 PM

It’s a question of how badly you want to be screwed. I’ll take a Squishy Sandra any day over a Buzzi.

Wow, that comment looks really filthy!

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 2:02 PM

I empathize with not being a fan of “we could do worse” and “he beats the alternative”. I really do. I’m already cringing at having to defend the Republican nomination. Whoever it is!
Dash on December 26, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Ha! Yeah but can you imagine being a Dem and having to defend your support for either Hillary, Obama or Edwards? If that doesn’t make you thankful for being a Republican nothing will.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:02 PM

juanito on December 26, 2007 at 1:33 PM

I’m a lifelong Arizonan and I remember when this political opportunist blew into town (hmmm, much like a junior senator from NY) on Reagan’s coattails with his “McCain’s Navy” campaign in 1982. I was only 18 then but I knew I didn’t like him, and I still don’t like him today. In the 26 years he’s been in DC he hasn’t done anything to benefit this state, nor has he done anything to benefit this country. All he has done is marry well and milk his Vietnam vet status to stay in office (much like another junior senator in MA).

You may disgree with the torture comment, but considering that he has pushed for normalizing relations with Vietnam (with his pal Kerry), and that he has repeatedly refused to pursue the search for POW/MIAs makes one question his state of mind. In fact he has been known to berrate families of POW/MIAs who public question him why he won’t help them because he is a mean, vengeful SOB. I do not want him elected as POTUS, ever.

John McCain, the Ho Chi Minh candidate.

Brass Pair on December 26, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Picture it: John McCain paired with a Democratic Congress. It ought to be enough to make you nervous.

paul006 on December 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

No more:

Press one for English.

Press two for Spanish.

Just:

Pulse uno para Espanol.

Press two for Spanish.

MB4 on December 26, 2007 at 2:04 PM

By the way, I don’t think McCain is electable. And the reason is that as soon as he is annointed with the nomination the MSM will go after him with guns blazing and he will undoubtably lose his cool in a badgering interview and blow his top, (as he has been known to do) that will kill him as a candidate because it will be rerun over and over again on the nightly news with the tagline “John McCain, is he stable enough to be your next President?”.

The media knows him, they know they can torpedo him in this manner, that is why they promote him. And I expect that is the real reason he shows so well in the head to head polls. I don’t trust the damn things.

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 2:08 PM

We could do a lot worse than President John McCain

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 1:33 PM

A major portion of the WOT is keeping our borders secure and enforcing our present laws. He fails.

a capella on December 26, 2007 at 2:08 PM

Are the five stars towards the end of the commercial a reference to something?

TexasDan on December 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

Well it’s probably not a reference to Eisenhower. I think we can eliminate that.

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing. When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower, 5 star General and 34th President of the United States of America.

MB4 on December 26, 2007 at 2:08 PM

a capella on December 26, 2007 at 2:08 PM

From his website:

Immigration is one of those challenging issues that touch on many aspects of American life.

I have always believed that our border must be secure and that the federal government has utterly failed in its responsibility to ensure that it is secure. If we have learned anything from the recent immigration debate, it is that Americans have little trust that their government will honor a pledge to do the things necessary to make the border secure.

As president, I will secure the border. I will restore the trust Americans should have in the basic competency of their government. A secure border is an essential element of our national security. Tight border security includes not just the entry and exit of people, but also the effective screening of cargo at our ports and other points of entry.

But a secure border will contribute to addressing our immigration problem most effectively if we also:

Recognize the importance of building strong allies in Mexico and Latin America who reject the siren call of authoritarians like Hugo Chavez, support freedom and democracy, and seek strong domestic economies with abundant economic opportunities for their citizens.

Recognize the importance of pro-growth policies — keeping government spending in check, holding down taxes, and cutting unnecessary regulatory burdens — so American businesses can hire and pay the best.

Recognize the importance of a flexible labor market to keep employers in business and our economy on top. It should provide skilled Americans and immigrants with opportunity. Our education system should ensure skills for our younger workers, and our retraining and assistance programs for displaced workers must be modernized so they can pursue those opportunities

Recognize the importance of assimilation of our immigrant population, which includes learning English, American history and civics, and respecting the values of a democratic society.

Recognize that America will always be that “shining city upon a hill,” a beacon of hope and opportunity for those seeking a better life built on hard work and optimism.
Border security and our failed immigration system are more examples of an ailing Washington culture in need of reform to regain the trust of Americans. In too many areas — from immigration and pork barrel spending to Social Security, health care, energy security and tax relief — business-as-usual politics prevents addressing the important challenges facing our nation.

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Indeed. We get what we deserve.

Michelle on December 26, 2007 at 1:20 PM

That is the bad news.

The good news is that it is now the day after Christmas so what we deserve should be at least 25% off.

MB4 on December 26, 2007 at 2:15 PM

A major portion of the WOT is keeping our borders secure and enforcing our present laws. He fails.

a capella on December 26, 2007 at 2:08 PM

John McCain is supposed to be the good War Time president choice. That is what he is trying to sell - he is going to win the war. But he is a fool if he thinks that this can be done without serious action to secure our borders. He is also a fool if he thinks waterboarding is going too far as a means of extracting information from human scum that can and will save many thousands of American lives.

John McCain, if you think waterboarding is too mean please stay as far away from 1600 Penn. Ave as possible. If I were president each American soldier would have their own personal portable waterboarding kit. If they captured an islamo fascist on the battlefield it would be standard procedure to waterboard them on the spot and once the info is obtained smoke two bullets through the skull. That would illiminate the need for Gitmo. Problem solved.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:15 PM

It’s a question of how badly you want to be screwed. I’ll take a Squishy Sandra any day over a Buzzi.

Wow, that comment looks really filthy!

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 2:02 PM

I’m honestly not sure it would make that much of a difference. Sandy Baby (as she was referred to by a drunken John Riggins) was very often voting with the left wing of the court by the end of her tenure, so much that she was in the same legal territory as Breyer, Kennedy and Souter.

I look at it this way. Most of us could agree that Ford would have been a better president than Carter. But would another 4 years of Ford have been worth the sacrifice of 8 years of Reagan? I think not.

Right now the Republican party is completely nuts. We all love to say that we are for this conservative principle or that conservative principle, and yet there are so many that are ready to sacrifice those priniciples for “electability” at the drop of a hat. Maybe a good azz-kicking and the adversity of having liberals run the show for a couple of years is what we need to get our stuff together, overcome our identity crisis, and find a candidate that we can all get behind, as the Republican party did in that period between 1976 and 1980.

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 2:17 PM

And that “smart, truly patriotic American with an uderstanding of the forces at work in the world” you’re thinking of is …. ?

Blacksheep on December 26, 2007 at 1:42 PM

Hugh Fitzgerald.

MB4 on December 26, 2007 at 2:17 PM

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:13 PM

bnelson44, suggestion: Don’t go to McCain’s website to find out what he will do about our problem of open borders and illegal immigration. You are wasting your time. Actions are all that matter. a cappella is right. He failed.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:15 PM

See my 2:13 post

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:18 PM

He has heard the message. If you don’t believe that, that is your perrogative. But from what I know of McCain, if he said he now wants to protect the borders, I believe him.

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:19 PM

Do you all need to be reminded of this?

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 2:20 PM

See my 2:13 post

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Perhaps I misunderstood. Did you copy and paste from McCain’s website for that post? Unless I’m mistaken that is precisely why I made the comment that if you want to convey what McCain thinks about illegal immigration and open borders the last thing you should do is visit his site and copy and paste from that.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:21 PM

Do you all need to be reminded of this?

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 2:20 PM

conservnut, I will never forget and as I have been saying consistently ever since that day, I will never vote for John McCain.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:22 PM

He has heard the message. If you don’t believe that, that is your perrogative. But from what I know of McCain, if he said he now wants to protect the borders, I believe him.

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:19 PM

No bnelson44. I do not believe him. I will never believe him ever again about anything. He is lying to me. He is lying to you. He knows it. I know it. Do you know it? He is a liar. He is a fraud. He has not learned a damn thing from the whole shamnesty fraud except now he should not be so outfront about what he believes.

From what I now know of McCain, if he said he now wants to protect the borders, he is lying. This is a man who tried every trick in the book in order to force amnesty down our throats including looking you in the eyes and lying straight to your face. He lied then. He is lying now in order to trick NH citizens into voting for him.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:27 PM

By the way, I don’t think McCain is electable. And the reason is that as soon as he is annointed with the nomination the MSM will go after him with guns blazing and he will undoubtably lose his cool in a badgering interview and blow his top, (as he has been known to do) that will kill him as a candidate because it will be rerun over and over again on the nightly news with the tagline “John McCain, is he stable enough to be your next President?”.

The media knows him, they know they can torpedo him in this manner, that is why they promote him. And I expect that is the real reason he shows so well in the head to head polls. I don’t trust the damn things.

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 2:08 PM

You are so right about this it hurts. The MSM loved McVain when he was a “maverick”, constantly sliding the knife into the back of conservatives/Republicans. If and when he becomes their standard-bearer, they will go after him with an intent to destroy that will make the Bush campaign’s efforts in 2000 look like they were promoting him.

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 2:30 PM

Dwight D. Eisenhower, 5 star General and 34th President of the United States of America.

MB4 on December 26, 2007 at 2:08 PM

Right. Aren’t five-star generals a wartime-only rank, limited to only one?

McCain’s final rank was Captian, though he did receive the silver star. But five?

TexasDan on December 26, 2007 at 2:31 PM

As most of you know, the border fence was defunded in the recent, massive, pork laden appropriations bill. What I would like to read or see is some kind of breakdown or analysis of how this came down and what role any presidential candidates such as McCain as well as what role any of my home state legislators may have played in this latest betrayal. Anyone know?

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 26, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Michelle has a poll at her signature website…

I voted: I’d rather be waterboarded than vote for McCain.

Zorro on December 26, 2007 at 2:32 PM

Oh, yeah, I’m in the Show-Me-State.

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 26, 2007 at 2:32 PM

He has heard the message. If you don’t believe that, that is your perrogative. But from what I know of McCain, if he said he now wants to protect the borders, I believe him.

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:19 PM

Supporters of the Shamesty bill all pointed to the (mostly already mandated) enforcement provisions of the bill as evidence that they wanted to secure the border- but it was clear that their main objective was amnesty, with border security provisions only being used as porcine lipstick.

Remember- McCain and Bush (and before he was against it, Romney) argued that they were opposed to amnesty even though they were for the bill; they simply argued that the bill wasn’t amnesty. Fortuanately most of us saw through the sham.

Hollowpoint on December 26, 2007 at 2:33 PM

As most of you know, the border fence was defunded in the recent, massive, pork laden appropriations bill. What I would like to read or see is some kind of breakdown or analysis of how this came down and what role any presidential candidates such as McCain as well as what role any of my home state legislators may have played in this latest betrayal. Anyone know?

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 26, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Yes, that would be nice to see right now wouldn’t it. One thing is for sure though, John McCain was one of the main forces working towards defunding that fence construction. I would bet my house on that.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:34 PM


John McCain, the Ho Chi Minh candidate.
Brass Pair on December 26, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Don’t get me wrong, I will NOT vote for McCain (maybe over Huckabee or Paul - and surely over any Democrat). I agree on absolutely nothing with McCain but the GWOT - and even there I have issues (Shamnesty of course).

My point was - he’s a bad egg now, but don’t insult what he suffered while he wore the uniform. It was a long time ago, and he’s been wrong mostly since, but I respect his service and thank him.

juanito on December 26, 2007 at 2:34 PM

McCain with a democratically controlled congress would take the veto stamp and put it on ebay. He would want to be known as the “non-partisan” president. If a president is going to give amnesty, not secure borders, take away powers from the CIA in order to get information from terrorists, then for the love of god let it be a democrat to take the blame.

broker1 on December 26, 2007 at 2:37 PM

…but I respect his service and thank him.

juanito on December 26, 2007 at 2:34 PM

I have had the honor and pleasure of knowing many POW’s from WWII, Korea and Vietnam. I respect each and everyone of them including McCain. However, McCain behavior as an elected official reminds me of those disgusting democraps. He, like them, lusts for power. This is not a good quality for president.

Zorro on December 26, 2007 at 2:42 PM

From what I now know of McCain, if he said he now wants to protect the borders, he is lying. This is a man who tried every trick in the book in order to force amnesty down our throats including looking you in the eyes and lying straight to your face. He lied then. He is lying now in order to trick NH citizens into voting for him.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:27 PM

Remember how he tried to force a quick shamnesty vote without any nasty, time consuming debate or even time to study it after he, Teddy, Graham, Kyle, and White House representatives conjured it up in midnight meetings? Is that the mark of an honest man? Has he really changed his spots? If he has, why did it take a downturn in his campaign polling rather than his calm review of the bill itself and admission he made a mistake in the way it was handled? Hell, if you read the Huckster’s web site, it sounds like he’s now the original founder of the Minutemen. They turn on a dime.

a capella on December 26, 2007 at 2:43 PM

Remember how he tried to force a quick shamnesty vote without any nasty, time consuming debate or even time to study it after he, Teddy, Graham, Kyle, and White House representatives conjured it up in midnight meetings? Is that the mark of an honest man?
a capella on December 26, 2007 at 2:43 PM

Yes a capella, that is exactly the behavior I am making reference to when I say that he lied and he tried to shove amnesty down our throats. I will never trust that man again after that. I will never believe a word that comes out of his mouth. I will sure as hell never drag myself to the polls to vote for him. Never.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:46 PM

I’m in SC and I saw it this morning. I’m still a Fredhead, but was impressed with the spin on the “flawed stratagy”

tmitsss on December 26, 2007 at 2:47 PM

People should seriously look at who can beat Hillary or Obama. From where I sit, neither Huck nor Mitt will stand a chance against either of them. If I were a Democratic campaign manager, I would love to go against either one of them. It would be a slaughter.

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:48 PM

McCain with a democratically controlled congress would take the veto stamp and put it on ebay. He would want to be known as the “non-partisan” president. If a president is going to give amnesty, not secure borders, take away powers from the CIA in order to get information from terrorists, then for the love of god let it be a democrat to take the blame.

broker1 on December 26, 2007 at 2:37 PM

I completely agree. For at least if I stay home and refuse to vote for McCain nobody can ever accuse me of being a hypocrite. And in case people here havn’t picked up on it yet, I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THE LIAR JOHN MCCAIN.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:49 PM

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 2:48 PM

Nope, I’m never going to vote for a complete shameless liar bnelson44. Its NEVER going to happen. McCain is a shameless liar. He’s proved that to me.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 2:51 PM

As most of you know, the border fence was defunded in the recent, massive, pork laden appropriations bill. What I would like to read or see is some kind of breakdown or analysis of how this came down and what role any presidential candidates such as McCain as well as what role any of my home state legislators may have played in this latest betrayal. Anyone know?

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 26, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Last week on the John and Ken Radio show (local LA), John and Ken were blaming Senator Hutchinson for this state of affairs. What do you know about this, Texans?

baldilocks on December 26, 2007 at 2:59 PM

McCain has long been the clear choice. He’s clearly the top Republican candidate, immigration be damned.

Baphomet on December 26, 2007 at 3:00 PM

I actually think we can prevail on immigration (as we showed before, on this, we have the numbers) but we must be constant and hyper-vigilant, forge alliances with like minded among our opposition. I say this because I believe that even with an elected secure the borders president, the best possible outcome, we will yet have our work cut out for us. I say this also because even in the worst case scenario, with a democrat in the white house and a democrat congress, we can also prevail (but only with enough vigilance, better organization and sustained pressure.)

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 26, 2007 at 3:04 PM

juanito on December 26, 2007 at 2:34 PM

I’m glad to hear you won’t vote for him, and I understand what you’re saying about respecting his service. However, he has turned his back on those he had served with and that is something my dad - Korea ‘52-’53 - said you just don’t do. For that, my dad says, it is questionable if his service warrants respect.

I don’t want to start an argument over this. While we may not agree completely on why we won’t vote for McCain, at least we do agree that we won’t.

Brass Pair on December 26, 2007 at 3:06 PM


I have had the honor and pleasure of knowing many POW’s from WWII, Korea and Vietnam. I respect each and everyone of them including McCain. However, McCain behavior as an elected official reminds me of those disgusting democraps. He, like them, lusts for power. This is not a good quality for president.

Zorro on December 26, 2007 at 2:42 PM


Exactly - Huzzah.

juanito on December 26, 2007 at 3:06 PM

This St.John is derived from whoever can wade the Rio Grand is henceforth baptized as an entitled American responsibility and whomever dares to say different is racist scum.

Anyone who represents negative sovereignty deserves negative votes.

Speakup on December 26, 2007 at 3:12 PM

McCain has long been the clear choice. He’s clearly the top Republican candidate, immigration be damned.

Baphomet on December 26, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Almost sounds like something a McCain staffer would say. Not accusing, so don’t get your knickers in a knot, just saying…

Brass Pair on December 26, 2007 at 3:13 PM

I want Zetterson to run for president. He sounds like the tough-talking walk-the-walk kind of guy I want for president.

cjs1943 on December 26, 2007 at 3:18 PM

I will never vote for John McCain.

Zetterson on December 26, 2007 at 1:32 PM

I second, third, fourth and fifth that sentiment.

I won’t even hold my nose and vote for him… If he’s the nom, I stay home. I detest Hillary, but you KNOW what she’s gonna do.

I’ll second a Zetterson presidency tho!!

tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 3:25 PM

While I am not a one issue voter, the amnesty backing of McCain is too big of a issue to allow me to back him.

Wade on December 26, 2007 at 3:25 PM

Last week on the John and Ken Radio show (local LA), John and Ken were blaming Senator Hutchinson for this state of affairs. What do you know about this, Texans?

It would be interesting to know when Ms Hutchinson will be up for re-election. She’s a senator I believe, so 4 years from now won’t do so well but if she’s up soon…..

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 26, 2007 at 3:27 PM

immigration be damned.

Baphomet on December 26, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Thinking that way will insure that this country no longer belongs to American citizens.

Good work there, Sparky.

I for one didn’t waste my time calling, emailing and pestering the congresscritters about Shamnesty.

tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 3:27 PM

I won’t even hold my nose and vote for him… If he’s the nom, I stay home. I detest Hillary, but you KNOW what she’s gonna do.

I’ll second a Zetterson presidency tho!!

tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 3:25 PM

I am sorry to hear the stay at home as this is what gave use Dingy Harry and Botox Pelosi.

Wade on December 26, 2007 at 3:29 PM

While I am not a one issue voter, the amnesty backing of McCain is too big of a issue to allow me to back him.

Wade on December 26, 2007 at 3:25 PM

Hey, Wade, remember we’ve also got Campaign Finance Reform to blame his dumb arse for too.

tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 3:29 PM

I am sorry to hear the stay at home as this is what gave use Dingy Harry and Botox Pelosi.

Wade on December 26, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Sorry, Wade, but there’d be no difference in my view.

tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 3:29 PM

My personal opinion Michelle is that you should endorse Fred Thompson, you wont have to throw any blankets over your head for doing so. And your endorsement will be going to a genuine conservative.

doriangrey on December 26, 2007 at 1:35 PM

Yeah Michelle, with your strong feelings against the Bush-McCain amnesty plan I’d think that, like me, you’d be petrified of another RINO POTUS?? Far as I can tell that leaves Fred and Duncan Hunter.

Ya know, that ‘lazy’ stuff only goes so far- Regan was considered lazy too, maybe it’s just about being REAL rather than GLIB. Fred come a long way since July when he didn’t have a campaign, or a staff, or bought bloggers. He’s been taking incredible amounts of sh*t from FOXnews and all the rest of the ‘conservatives’ since day ONE with the ‘gucci’ loafers crack.

With just a little REAL support from the media-on-the-right Fred would WIPE THE FLOOR with the DEM nominee.

Ex-tex on December 26, 2007 at 3:32 PM

I am sorry to hear the stay at home as this is what gave use Dingy Harry and Botox Pelosi.

Wade on December 26, 2007 at 3:29 PM

And we fully deserve them. On the other hand, there is a point to this

Sorry, Wade, but there’d be no difference in my view.

tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 3:29 PM

because the righties are almost as decojonified as the lefties. No one has a spine any more. No leaders to believe in. Where are the real men? Surely there must be at least a few left. We need at least one, more than ever. Alas, none are perfect and the hellfire lacrima cristi media and righties would crucify them…thus, they won’t run.

Entelechy on December 26, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Entelechy on December 26, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Agreed, Entelechy.

I won’t just sell out because the joker has an “R” next to his name. He11, I’m not even an “R” anymore.

tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 3:51 PM

…thanks to McVain and shamnesty.

tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 3:51 PM

Excellent ad. Try picturing Romney or Thompson pounding the podium declaring that America will “never surrender.”
Big S on December 26, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Try picturing McCain on the offensive when terrorists like Khalid Sheik Mohammed are in custody.

I picture him saying something like, “what ever you do, don’t hurt him or scare him too much because even if it means the deaths of untold innocents we can’t be like them, because that means they’ve won and we’ve lost”.

Buy Danish on December 26, 2007 at 3:52 PM

It would be interesting to know when Ms Hutchinson will be up for re-election. She’s a senator I believe, so 4 years from now won’t do so well but if she’s up soon…..

Nyog_of_the_Bog on December 26, 2007 at 3:27 PM

She is going to run for Governor I am told. I used to support her, not any more. And you can bet I will fight to keep her out of the Govenors Mansion in Austin.

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 3:56 PM

She is going to run for Governor I am told. I used to support her, not any more. And you can bet I will fight to keep her out of the Govenors Mansion in Austin.

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 3:56 PM

I’ll be here to help you out on that one!

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 4:00 PM

No one has a spine any more. No leaders to believe in. Where are the real men? Surely there must be at least a few left. We need at least one, more than ever. Alas, none are perfect and the hellfire lacrima cristi media and righties would crucify them…thus, they won’t run.

Entelechy on December 26, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Hunter has the credentials. Either conservative voters don’t want him, or there aren’t enough to make any difference. Don’t fault the candidates. Fault the voters who feed the polls and provide the funding.
Our problem is we want it all,…a telegenic presence, charisma, and the proper ideology. It rarely comes in one package.

a capella on December 26, 2007 at 4:09 PM

Here is partial info on Kay Bailey selling us down the river.

The Rio Grande that is.

conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 4:21 PM

Contemplates…and throws blanket over head, wishing to fast-forward to 2012.

Try being a centrist Democrat Hawk.

SouthernDem on December 26, 2007 at 4:26 PM

FoxNews - McCain: A Candidate Like No Other

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 4:31 PM

How McCain Wins

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 4:46 PM

Fred, where are you when we need you?

slp on December 26, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Our problem is we want it all,…a telegenic presence, charisma, and the proper ideology. It rarely comes in one package.

a capella on December 26, 2007 at 4:09 PM

And in this cycle, it seems like the only thing Republicans are willing to sacrifice is the ideology part.

thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 5:18 PM

More on McCain’s strategy here

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 5:19 PM

View All McCain Supporters & Endorsements >

bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 5:32 PM

Never Surrender - unless we have to waterboard some guys, in which case, well…

So I’m sorry Senator, but Never Again will you get this Arizonan’s vote for meter maid, much less for President or Senator! NEVER AGAIN!

Oh, and thanks a lot for giving McCain-Kennedy a whirl and for McCain-Feingold too. It’s just what we needed down here in AZ.

Teddy on December 26, 2007 at 5:36 PM

“Stood up to special interests….”

Uh, does this name ring a bell, Maverick: Charlie Keating? The man who said in effect, “Of course I expect access and influence with politicians: I paid for it”?

Mc Cain may have been the least of the sinners among the Keating Five, but he was there, and that’s all that counts in my book.

Lurking Vet on December 26, 2007 at 6:11 PM

That screen cap with Reagan is anther reminder to ask the question.

what have ya done for(?) us lately, John?

Speakup on December 26, 2007 at 7:12 PM

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