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Welcome back to Earth, Ron Paul. I hope your stay here is a welcome getaway from Crazyland – although I’m sure you’ll be back there soon enough.
flyawaybird on December 26, 2007 at 10:21 PM
SECOND LOOK AT RON PAUL!
flipflop on December 26, 2007 at 10:22 PM
What did he say?
bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 10:23 PM
Nah…it’s Elvis-lution!!!
TBinSTL on December 26, 2007 at 10:24 PM
9-11 was an false flag InSiDE JorB!@1
Dr. Paul FOREVER!!!
Good Lt on December 26, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Hmmm… Ron Paul? Do I dare? Nah! Even a clock is right twice a day. Now, if he unloads on global warming, he might just require a second look.
RightWinged on December 26, 2007 at 10:26 PM
What the…
Dude.
Dash on December 26, 2007 at 10:26 PM
What is the root cause of evolution, anyways? Probably lack of hospitals, schools etc in the mono-cellular community.
RP a creationist huh? Makes me happier that I’ve drifted to the other side, personally.
lorien1973 on December 26, 2007 at 10:29 PM
I don’t think the Paulnutz are gonna like that creator talk one bit…
Tim Zank on December 26, 2007 at 10:29 PM
Time wasted on a nutjob
KBird on December 26, 2007 at 10:29 PM
This guy is driving along the highway of life with two wheels in the sand…
Zorro on December 26, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Did someone say “blimp?”
Vinnie on December 26, 2007 at 10:32 PM
I don’t think I know from that where he is.
conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Paul saw the Huckster shoot to the top of the polls when he said that, and so Paul figured it made as much sense to try that as to fly a blimp.
pedestrian on December 26, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Stopped clock, 2x/day.
thirteen28 on December 26, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Is there a FAQ that explains this “SECOND LOOK AT____” meme?
The Monster on December 26, 2007 at 10:41 PM
I’m not surprised, evolution nor creationism is mentioned in the constitution so he doesn’t know where to come down on it.
lowandslow on December 26, 2007 at 10:43 PM
I’m pretty sure it’s just AP’s way of expressing extreme frustration in who should be the GOP front runner and how long the campaign is in general.
lorien1973 on December 26, 2007 at 10:44 PM
Haven’t you people learned Ron Paul is always wrong?
The fact that he subscribes to creationism should be proof positive to you primitive screw-heads that creationism is tantamount to trooferism.
liberrocky on December 26, 2007 at 10:45 PM
I don’t understand why I continue to love Tancredo despite his creationist silliness, yet Ron Paul saying the same thing makes me despise Libertarians even more. Perhaps, my unfairness is part of the human condition.
thuja on December 26, 2007 at 10:45 PM
1/1/6000 BC was an outside job…
Phydeaux on December 26, 2007 at 10:48 PM
I’m stuck on a mobile device in Iowa… what did he say? I’m assuming he’s outing himself as a creationist? Pretty transparent bid for the Huck fallout.
Btw, my own informal ‘lawn sign poll’ indicates that Iowa is pretty ezcited about Hillary. Also, the only R signs I’ve seen have been for Mitt… and that was only a couple of them.
askheaves on December 26, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Awesome.
Harpazo on December 26, 2007 at 10:50 PM
If I understood him correctly he said evolution is a theory and he didn’t accept it as a theory. Then he talked about God creating things.
bnelson44 on December 26, 2007 at 11:02 PM
Science has failed to explain how anything and everything came from absolutely nothing. Evolution tries to explain how a few organisms on one planet change over time, that’s it. Sorry, but Darwin can’t explain how the universe came to be.
AZCON on December 26, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Let’s get our facts straight! Bishop James Ussher, Anglican Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland, dated creation to October 23, 4004 BC. God had watercress sandwiches and scones for tea the next day.
thuja on December 26, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Darwin was guessing. He might of got some of it right. But he was guessing none-the-less. You can’t guess and get it all right.
Griz on December 26, 2007 at 11:15 PM
Which one makes more sense:
A: I don’t know how something came to be so I am going to use reason and logic to investigate it.
B: I don’t know how something came to be so it must be a magical all knowing being.
liberrocky on December 26, 2007 at 11:37 PM
Woah!
Ron Paul doesn’t think we have evolved?
We love sports, not because we rose from predatory animals (canine teeth are God’s little inside joke?) but because the Lord of the Infinite decided that we would look interesting imitating the play and preying of beasts, and get a weekly visceral thrill from the mock-hunt and faux-kill in simulated versions (racing with a ball and such) merely to meaninglessly parallel the entire behavior pattern of the fighting and dominating animal world?
Why do we sleep, then, if not to be silent when greats cats are looking for our ancestors at night?
Why do we, and whales, and ancient saurians all have five digits?
Because the Creator is inordinately fond of fives?
Why couldn’t evolution be the methodology of the Maker?
Or is it an unreasonable and unpredicatable deity, like Islam’s Allah, doing things for its Inscrutable and Irrational Whim?
Paul makes a bad and unconvincing weasel.
Which only proves evolution backslides now and then.
(Now I know how he inflates his blimp, though.)
profitsbeard on December 26, 2007 at 11:40 PM
MB4 on December 26, 2007 at 11:43 PM
Me personally I don’t get upset by either belief, creationism or evolution and here’s why; IMHO both sides are right, God did create the heavens and earth but had to work within the laws of nature.
The difference is God knows the laws of nature and how to manipulate them better than any of us because after all he (or she) is God so the fact that there is evidence to support the theory of evolution does not negate (again IMHO) the fact God had a hand in it and therefore one theory does not negate the other when looked at in this perspective.
Also (and this next opinion of mine may upset some bible literalists) the fact that Genesis relates God as creating the heavens and earth in seven days I think it’s important to keep in mind that time is subjective depending on your perspective. In other words maybe where God dwells one day is equal to a million years on earth? So in God’s reality it only took 7 days to create the heavens and earth but in our reality it took 7 million years for his seeds to evolve and bear fruit.
Again, it comes down to perspective and my guess God’s perspective is much greater than ours.
Again, just MHO.
Liberty or Death on December 26, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Here’s a fundraising idea:
Ron Paul and Rosie O’Donnel in a steel cage on pay-per-view!
landlines on December 26, 2007 at 11:52 PM
Creation is not the opposite of Darwinism…you self-important Atheist ‘tards.
And they are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
If you want to make the analogies, stick to the terms, “creationism” and “big bang theory”.
How the universe started, and how things evolved on one frickin’ planet are two different subjects.
tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 11:55 PM
This is the way all the R-bots think.
Did Bush cause 9/11? Did Giuliani cause 9/11?
Nobody has absolute proof on either side….don’t cha’ know!
(Of course, crazy Islamic Terrorists had NOTHING to do with it!!!)
Am I drinking too much or giving too many swigs to my dogs as they sit here foaming at their mouths? Actually, nobody has absolute proof on either side! Go figure!
Oh Ronnie P. you are a sexbot, aren’t you? That’s why you’ll definitely win the Great State of Texas!!! (HAHAHAHA…LMAO!!!)
SouthernPride on December 26, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Sorry to be so nasty…but I’ve had my fill of Atheist smarter-than-thou-stupid-religious-types codswallop today.
Get the heck over yourselves, and stop being so d@mn condescending.
tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 11:57 PM
Also..who gives a shite what Ron Paul thinks??
tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 11:58 PM
So he doesn’t seem to have a solid conviction on
whether it’s evolution or creation,best give that answer
after the election,why p!ss off the voters on either side
of the question!
canopfor on December 27, 2007 at 12:02 AM
Creationism and evolution may not be mutually exclusive, but they sure don’t play well together.
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 12:04 AM
MB4, if you can’t accept them being possible, that’s your issue. I don’t see them as being impossible together. Why is it hard to believe that a creator wouldn’t set up the natural system the way it is?
Let me remind you that you don’t know any more than I, or anyone else does about the afterlife. Unless of course, you’re really dead…blogging from the grave. Oh, wait…nevermind. ;)
tickleddragon on December 27, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Frankly, I’m not interested in arguing about what none of us knows for sure. I’m just sick of the religious-baiting.
tickleddragon on December 27, 2007 at 12:15 AM
I believe the Big Bang theory is fact. That is just another way to say creation. This is one subject where science and scientists have really painted themselves into a corner. They’ve been searching the heavens trying to figure out where we came from and how we came into being. Where did all of this come from? They came up with the Big Bang theory. The big bang was a big explosion that expanded into being the universe. Hence, something and everything from nothing. That is Creation. Let me say that again. Something from nothing is the true definition of creation.
Okay, lets play with this for awhile. Lets pretend that this has happened before and will happen again. Let me explain. Supposedly the universe is expanding and eventually will stop expanding. Then it will start contracting and will collapse in on itself. Sounds like the makings of a huge black hole. You know, where matter falls into this thing and the gravity is so intense that not even light can escape from it. So let me carry this a little bit further. Now there is this huge black hole and everything is compressed into it. I mean the whole universe is compressed into this black hole. Now, there is so much pressure built up on the inside of this thing that KABOOM !!! A big bang explosion. Is this an ongoing event? How many times has this happened before? Will it happen again? My answers to my questions are no, zero, and no. Like Bill O’Reilly asks, what say you?
cjs1943 on December 27, 2007 at 12:20 AM
More important than how did God or how did the Universe “come to be” is:
how did dogmatic Certainty come to be?
About survival needs, you have to presume a level of correctness to continue. (That plant is poisonous; that creature is dangerous; that woman is fertile; that volcano is too active, etc.)
But, about the nature of the Creator or the Cosmos, clearly, any theory will do the job well enough to soothe most people.
Osiris lasted as long as any major “God”, temporally, so he was as successful a concept for life as is needed.
The conflict to the point to hostility over our small guesses is what will make us suspect to any sentient life in the universe.
(They may have already put a “DO NOT DISTURB” sign on our solar system. Ask a Ronulan.)
profitsbeard on December 27, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Yours is the closest to how I see it. I do not think that creation and evolution are mutually exclusive of each other. However, on the other hand, I do not think we evolved from monkeys or apes. Nor from sea creatures. I do believe a higher power had allot to do with our being. I think it takes allot more faith to believe that atoms could just happen to collide at just the right time and just the right place to just happen to make a single cell organism that just happens to be able to reproduce it’s self when it is an almost impossible feat today with science.
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 12:22 AM
Science – Evolution
I believe this is a bogus religion. This is something you have to believe in. There isn’t any proof evolution works, has existed, or exists now. If evolution had happened, when did it stop and why did it stop. If it is still going on, why do we have the Endangered Species Act? What do we care if some animal, fish, or plant becomes extinct? Isn’t that the process of survival of the fittest working? Again, so what. With evolution going on, isn’t something evolving right now that will be better and stronger than what went extinct? Then also, if evolution is going on (hasn’t stopped), shouldn’t we be able to observe it? Something slowly but surely changing over into something else that never existed before? Then how did cells decide to come together and create, strike that word create, and make an organ, then the organs decide to get together and make an organism – something new and unique. How did a cell ‘evolve’ into becoming a bone cell? Another into a muscle cell? Another into a cartilage cell? Another into a leaf cell?
Even Charles Darwin himself admitted that if an example of irreducible complexity were ever found, his theory of natural selection would crumble. Irreducible complexity asserts that certain biochemical systems in nature contain parts that are too well matched to be products of evolution.
Okay, I cut and pasted this last paragraph from LiveScience.com. Here is the link for that:
http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050923_ID_science.html Then for more reading on this, here is another link: http://www.livescience.com/othernews/051109_evolution_science.html
These links are where LiveScience is trying to debunk the arguments that evolution doesn’t exist. But, in my estimation, they are too caught up with themselves to see the folly of their own arguments. IMHO.
I read LiveScience.com once in awhile for the outrageous things they say and believe. I will say that sometimes some of it makes sense and you can learn something from it. They also have a tab at the top of their website for SPACE.com.
cjs1943 on December 27, 2007 at 12:26 AM
With that note, I consider Athiesim a religion, much like Global Warming.
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 12:28 AM
I think it came to be out of man’s (read “mankind”) simple sense of competition. Feel a need to feel better than your peers? Puff yourself up and tell those folks that you know something they don’t. Even better, call them idiots for NOT knowing what you’ve now convinced yourself you know.
There the history of religious personal conflict in a nutshell. And YES, that applies to both sides of the debates.
The true value of a belief system is NOT the convincing of others…it’s believing in something, yourself. Whatever the heck it is that you believe. Yes, the major religions do teach spreading the word…But if you’ve not taken it to heart yourself, you’re just being a pushy jerk to others. Lead by example.
tickleddragon on December 27, 2007 at 12:30 AM
I completely agree with this, MalkinFan. Most Atheists that I’ve had any dealing with are as fervently convicted to the idea of no God as any overzealous religious person.
Same for the Manmade Climate Crisis crowd. If you don’t agree, it is certainly akin to heresy.
tickleddragon on December 27, 2007 at 12:35 AM
I think both the evengelicals and the Athiest suck…so do I get a relgion too?
liberrocky on December 27, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Yep, the I-know-more-than-everyone-cos-you’re-ALL-idiots religion. You may want to print pamphlets.
tickleddragon on December 27, 2007 at 12:40 AM
If it is so easy to create life that can reproduce itself and provide sustenance for the food chain, then why can we not grow prime rib? I love prime rib. There aught to be a way to grow it as it is so easy that it can happen just by chance in a cow.
Hell, lets make a tree that has gold leaves, so we never have to worry about money either.
Me, I would be satisfied with the prime rib plant and a cow that milks beer. Make that 2 cows. 3?
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 12:41 AM
Do you believe in Paganism, MalkinFan? I consider people who don’t believe Paganism to be a religion too, similar to global warming and Christianity.
FloatingRock on December 27, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Yeah, heretic!! pshaw.
tickleddragon on December 27, 2007 at 12:52 AM
I do not claim to hold the know it all to any belief. Many religions intermix. Tales told of ancient native Americans mentioned a great flood much like described in the Bible. Pyramids built in Egypt much like in South America. There are many cross references. Do I rule out praying to Gia? Or whatever the Earth mother is supposed to be named? No. Nor any other religion, other than maybe a few totally barbaric ones, like extremist Islam.
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 12:56 AM
Creationism aside, evolution is a crock. The alleged “missing link” necessary to explain the transitions from swamp soup to human life is a joke. It would take billions of “missing links”, one for each mutation. We should be tripping over all the “missing links” in the fossil record, not still trying to find the one.
Evolution demands that one put on blinders to forget the physics, math, and chemistry that teaches the impossibility of its veracity. You people who mock those who think and come to the conclusion that evolution is an invalid theory demonstrate your narrow-mindedness. We’re not the stupid, duped masses.
Evolution, Truthers, Al Gore, and others who are married to a particular world view, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, demonstrate incredible faith and obstinance. I don’t particularly admire them for it, because they are willingly blinded and largely arrogant in their rhetorical defenses of their chosen delusion.
So, go ahead and mock non-evolutionists. Truth is against you. The extent to which Americans accept evolution is a tribute to the extent to which American public schools have brainwashed the people of this once-great land.
Is Ron Paul the answer to America’s problems? Hardly, but his stance against evolution is one of the more intelligent things he stands for.
windbag on December 27, 2007 at 12:58 AM
windbag-
What are our canine teeth for?
Why do we have five toes (vestigal fingers) when a simple folding duck foot flap would work as well?
Why do some kids end up born with little tails?
Why do we have gill slits in the embryological stage?
Why do males have nipples?
Missing logic is a missing link, too.
profitsbeard on December 27, 2007 at 1:09 AM
If it were not for the guys lunatic policy on troop withdrawal, and some other overseas issues, I could back him. Well there might be a thing or two domestic, but hells bells. Would the Hildabeast be better?
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 1:12 AM
Ok, I am gonna take this on, just for the hell of it,
1. What are our canine teeth for?
Answer. Eating meat. Like prime rib. I LOVE prime rib.
Why do we have five toes (vestigal fingers) when a simple folding duck foot flap would work as well?
2. Have you never seen a hot chick with long toes painted sexy? Sheesh.
Why do we have gill slits in the embryological stage?
3. And you would breath HOW if you did not???? Stick your head out your moms….nevermind….
Why do males have nipples?
4. If you do not know by now, you either live in your moms basement, or well, I feel sorry for ya.
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 1:24 AM
Ron Paul does not believe in Music Theory either. It’s only a theory.
ronsfi on December 27, 2007 at 1:26 AM
Oh, I missed the kids with tails one, I think you have been watching too much Riply’s Believe it or Not. That or someone had been haveing too much dog…err, I maybe do not wanna go there.
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 1:27 AM
Lack of belief in someone else’s God or gods or spirit(s) is not itself a religion, else it would follow that every individual subscribes to a plethora of religions, (or un-religions, I suppose), many of which most of us know little if anything about. If a person has been raised in complete ignorance of God and has no concept of it, are they still religious?
I can understand why you may feel that atheism is a religion, based on the fact that some atheists claim that supernatural beings definitely do not exist, but many atheists do not claim to know for certain, they just don’t believe.
FloatingRock on December 27, 2007 at 1:36 AM
Here in WA. In late summer the screaming, the screaming, it…it’s unbearable. They turn them into sauce when they’re still alive.
ronsfi on December 27, 2007 at 1:59 AM
So if he agrees with your point of view on “evolution”, perhaps he ain’t all bad?
HE IS LYING. Now how do you feel about him?
Mr. Magoo – the appeaser.
Agrippa2k on December 27, 2007 at 2:16 AM
He actually makes sense!
msipes on December 27, 2007 at 2:23 AM
You have so totally missed my point. I did not allege that Atheism renounced any particular God. It is the total belief that there IS NO GOD NOR ANY HIGHER POWER. There is a fallback on that whole idea. That is Agnostic. That is one that may or may not actually believe in a higher power, but will not rule it out. An Atheist totally rules it out. That falls under a religion as it is a belief in something that cannot be proved.
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 2:25 AM
There is no afterlife as much as you wish there were. When people die they are dead. That’s why it is called dead. There is no invisible massless magical mystical “soul” that beams out of the brain to go to the land of
OzGod. That is just self evident complete and utter nonsense.MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 2:29 AM
Heh, even drunk I can pwn an argument as simple as that
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 2:30 AM
Yes, the believer in bigfoot or alien abductions or ghosts or the Lock Ness Monster or Santa Claus or God.
Especially on God as that is a far more fantastic creature than all the others combined. Ditto with the absurd belief in a “soul”.
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 2:41 AM
If you are looking for the explanation for something, first look to the simplest explanation as it is likely the correct one.
- Holmes
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 2:42 AM
I’m not so sure.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/religion
Main Entry:
re·li·gion Listen to the pronunciation of religion
Pronunciation:
\ri-ˈli-jən\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date:
13th century
1 a: the state of a religious b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
— re·li·gion·less adjective
ronsfi on December 27, 2007 at 2:43 AM
This is interesting.
ronsfi on December 27, 2007 at 2:45 AM
Welcome to your religion. What you said takes abject belief that what you said is true, without any positive proof. None of us will know it till we die of course, so why take the “sure to damn me to hell” belief over the “Maybe to damn me to hell” one? That is if there is a hell. WHICH WE DO NOT KNOW! Aww hell. I give up. If ya want to disbelieve in everything you cannot see, there is a plethoria of things you can renounce. Lets start with atoms. Can you see them? No? Well hell, they must not exist then. Can you see air? No? Well hell, it must not exist then. Are you getting my drift yet?
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 2:49 AM
By the way, for emphasis, I, under my own beliefs, have already fallen under the “Surely damned to hell” category, so, heh, see ya there -)
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 2:54 AM
You’re right, if I take some God and put in a balloon and freeze it. God turns to water. Oh wait. If you some God and place it under a Scanning Electron Microscope you can little particles of God. Oh wait.
Hmm. Can you go over that again?
ronsfi on December 27, 2007 at 2:56 AM
Evolution is the socket wrench in God’s Toolbox.
trigon on December 27, 2007 at 3:04 AM
Hello, no one can prove a negative. Certainly not to some one who refuses to believe it. And Atheism is NOT a religion. It is the absence of religion. That is what it is. That’s it. It is the refusal to believe in ridiculous beliefs like the belief in the invisible all powerful God and the invisible “soul” where the mind resides rather than in the brain.
Do you consider not believing in alien abductions to be a religion?
Not believing in some fantastic claim is not a religion and it is up to those who make fantastic claims to prove it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you can’t get any more extraordinary than a belief in an all powerful invisible god other than a belief in an invisible massless undetectable magical “soul” where the mind resides rather than in the brain. You just can’t.
Yes, you must be drunk!!!
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:05 AM
And
hot aircarbon credits are the socket wrench in Goracle the Oracle’s Toolbox.MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:12 AM
I feel no need to prove anything to anybody about something that I care nothing about. My point is that I don’t believe in the supernatural and I consider myself to be an atheist, not an agnostic. I don’t have to prove something that, as you’ve said, cannot be proved, in order to justify something that I don’t believe in the first place. That would be circular logic. Even if there was absolute proof that the supernatural beings don’t exist people would simply continue to claim that they do, they just don’t allow us to sense their existence. There’s no way I can win that fantastical argument and neither can you prove that I’m unable to flap my wings and fly.
An agnostic friend of mine once claimed I was an agnostic after I admitted that it’s possible that aliens seeded our planet with life and may have influenced it’s development over the ages. However, I still consider myself an atheist because aliens aren’t supernatural.
Put another way, the day mankind discovers supernatural beings will be the same day we find that they are not supernatural at all but rather are bound by the very same natural laws as everything else in the universe, even if they might be aware of natural laws that we haven’t discovered yet and have learned to take advantage of them.
You say there is a God(s) and/or Spirit(s) and/or Soul(s) and I say: cannot divide by zero, and if so, show me how.
FloatingRock on December 27, 2007 at 3:13 AM
You must never have been to New York or New Jersey.
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:14 AM
I think the point is supposed to be that atheists have faith – not that they are a religion. It takes a certain degree of faith to believe that a divine being of any kind doesn’t exist. In fact, since most have opted toward that belief in history, it may take more faith to believe in no divinity than to believe in one/many.
I think this point was also supposed to be tied in with the evolutionary theory and those who believe in it. Doesn’t an evolutionist hold some amount of faith in the theory?
I find it very ironic and annoying that evolutionists and creationists both attack the other for the lack or the abundance of faith that it takes to believe in one or the other. It’s a bad stance on both parts. It takes faith to believe in both theories. If both sides just accepted that their stances are improvable, we might get to figure some things out together.
ApartforHaShem on December 27, 2007 at 3:15 AM
I don’t like to commit myself about heaven and hell – you see, I have friends in both places.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:17 AM
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 2:54 AM
Good thing you recovered. At least now we have a chance to continue to chat after our deaths. Your previous comment had me befuddled.
Entelechy on December 27, 2007 at 3:18 AM
I think the point is supposed to be that atoothfairyists have faith – not that they are a religion. It takes a certain degree of faith to believe that a tooth fairy of any kind doesn’t exist.
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:20 AM
Or LA, even only a day after a good rain.
MB, were your parents religious or not?
Entelechy on December 27, 2007 at 3:21 AM
Ok, so then you believe that ..omg,in a planet as large as earth, a pair of atoms met with a few other atoms in just the right spot, at just the right time to just happen to make a single cell organism, that just happens to be able to reproduce with the other atom that just happened to collide with the other atom that just happened to be at the same place at the same time and produce the opposite sex,, and from that union, what? The whole world was born? Are we diriviteve of seeweed? Or plankten? You believe in that, and I say that takes a HUGE amount of belief. There is NO proof. Therefore, I call it a religion.
MalkinFan on December 27, 2007 at 3:22 AM
My cholesterol is 128 (HDL 54, LDL 62) and my triglycerides are 67.
The rest of you will be long dead while I will still be alive and still tormenting folks.
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:23 AM
Can you prove that atoms and air exist? Yes.
At any rate, we could go around in circles like this forever, (although if you go to heaven you won’t have time because you’ll have to spend eternity praying and reading the bible, which I hope you find extremely enjoyable), but I’m going to bed. Sweet dreams. :)
FloatingRock on December 27, 2007 at 3:24 AM
He might have friends in both places, but I have a hunch where he went…and I want to be where he is…just saying. I don’t believe in either. Right here is often heaven, and sometimes hell enough. I don’t care what’s apres moi. My epitaph, if anyone will care will be one of two, or both
1. Here rests a coconut, the biggest nut of them all, or
2. Finished
On a serious note, I have it in proper order to be cremated, and have my ashes flown over the ocean (I’m a private pilot, and surely one of the aviators will grant the wish). Therefore, there will be no stones, just memories. And that’s the way I like it. No one should be sad, just glad that we met, and some maybe not so glad. I don’t live in fear during my life, and fear nothing thereafter either.
Entelechy on December 27, 2007 at 3:28 AM
a pair of atoms met with a few other atoms in just the right spot, at just the right time to just happen to make an all powerful invisible God that just happens to be able to create the whole Universe and magic “souls” out of nothing?
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:30 AM
At least we’ll have someone to entertain us to the end :)
Entelechy on December 27, 2007 at 3:32 AM
I was dead for billions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:33 AM
Good point. Everything that a person hasn’t experienced or proven to their own satisfaction and instead accepts on the word of another requires faith. The study of history could be said to be an act of faith. Even trusting our own senses and perception requires faith. In that sense I would agree that atheism is a faith, as is virtually everything else. :)
I just don’t consider it a religious faith, but maybe some atheists do, I don’t know.
FloatingRock on December 27, 2007 at 3:35 AM
You can call me FC.
I remember my mom saying that she thought that God was the whole universe and I have never, believe it or not, heard my dad ever say anything about religious matters ever.
So I guess they were/are both infidels.
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:39 AM
MB4, did you see my question on your parents’ beliefs? – answer only if you care to. I had a very religious mother who died when I was 13, of cancer, and an agnostic father. Both parents didn’t influence any of the two sisters. One became very religious, and the other questioned everything at the ages of 11, 12, and thereafter.
Entelechy on December 27, 2007 at 3:39 AM
And you believe that a massive number of atoms spontaneously coalesced into a complex omnipresent being that created life, the universe and everything.
FloatingRock on December 27, 2007 at 3:42 AM
I can do that easily.
Of course only when the moon is full.
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:45 AM
—Jed Clampett
hillbillyjim on December 27, 2007 at 3:48 AM
FC, thank you. Sorry for the double question. I should clarify that while my mother was religious, she was the quiet type, who never discussed it with others, nor tried to push her beliefs on anyone. She was a wonderfully beautiful woman, inside and out. I’m the product of an incredible love.
I like what your mom believed. My father’s mother, a wit with no second, with a computer for a mind, at a time when there were not even calculators, often said “Kirchenengel sind Hausteufel”. She seldom went to church but belied that religion was a silent policeman, and was for good.
Entelechy on December 27, 2007 at 3:49 AM
Hasn’t it been reported that Lincoln built the log cabin that he was born in?
Maybe God created a massive number of atoms that spontaneously coalesced into Him.
I dunno.
MB4 on December 27, 2007 at 3:49 AM
That would make them an agnostic, not an atheist.
An agnostic does not know, or is “without knowledge,” whereas an atheist believes that there is not Supreme Being, or Deity, commonly referred to as “God,” hence no being involved with our lives, and no being, no Intelligent agent to create all living things and the universe in which they live.
William
William2006 on December 27, 2007 at 3:53 AM
hillbillyjim on December 27, 2007 at 3:48 AM
hillbillyjim, do you mean MB4? :) Hope you had good holidays. Best regards,
Entelechy on December 27, 2007 at 3:54 AM
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