British caught negotiating with the Taliban
posted at 12:30 pm on December 26, 2007 by Bryan
UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been caught lying about whether the British are negotiating with Taliban. He said they weren’t. They are.
An intelligence source said: “The SIS officers were understood to have sought peace directly with the Taliban with them coming across as some sort of armed militia. The British would also provide ‘mentoring’ for the Taliban.”
The disclosure comes only a fortnight after the Prime Minister told the House of Commons: “We will not enter into any negotiations with these people.”
Opposition leaders said that Mr Brown had “some explaining to do”.
Indeed he does. So do a couple of European diplomats.
Two European diplomats, a Briton and an Irish citizen, have been asked to leave Afghanistan after they traveled to the troubled southern province of Helmand…
President Hamid Karzai’s spokesman earlier said two foreigners — apparently the U.N. and European Union officials — had been arrested. But because the two have diplomatic immunity they were never technically arrested. Siddique said the U.N. was told that “their presence was detrimental to the national security of the country.”
Karzai’s spokesman, Humayun Hamidzada, said the two were “involved in some activities that were not their jobs.”
Brown’s UK and the UN and EU generally suffer from the delusion that the Taliban in Afghanistan is similar to the Sunni insurgents in Iraq, in that they can be dealt with and possibly “awakened” to democracy. Bill Roggio’s reporting strongly suggests that that isn’t the case at all.
The British view of Musa Qala is quite different from what really occurred in the district over the past year. In October of 2006, the British withdrew from their small outpost in the district center after negotiating with who they claimed were “tribal elders” not aligned with the Taliban. Within days, the Taliban ran up the al rayah, the black banner of the terror group, in the district center.
By February 2007, the Taliban took overt military control of the district–it had de facto control from October 2006 onward. The Taliban opened recruiting centers, taxed residents, mounted attacks on neighboring districts, hanged and beheaded numerous “spies” in public, and implemented sharia law. The British, U.S., Afghan, and NATO allies just liberated Musa Qala from Taliban control this December.
The British view is that radical elements of the Taliban are controlled by “only a few hundred” leaders considered “‘Tier 1′ … religious extremists and hard-core idealists, fully committed to a state governed by their own interpretation of Sharia law,” but the Taliban has integrated with al Qaeda in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. The Taliban and al Qaeda cross train in camps, and have launched coordinated campaigns in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Members of the Taliban sit in on al Qaeda’s Shura Majlis. As Sahab, al Qaeda’s propaganda wing, releases Taliban media products.
It would be an encouraging sign if the Brown government’s talks with the Taliban and then lying about it caused British opinion to shift to supporting a more vigorous approach to the war. That’s unlikely, but it would be encouraging if it happened. The fact is that right now, Britain isn’t living up to its responsibilities as a major US ally. It has pretty much pulled out of Iraq, and has misunderstood its role in Afghanistan to the point of forcing the recapture of Musa Qala. Negotiating with the Islamist militia that has long lived in a symbiotic relationship with al Qaeda is inches from true betrayal, both of our alliance and of the British people to whom Brown flatly lied.









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The ‘EMPIRE’ is quickly becoming a Muslim safe-house.
jake-the-goose on December 26, 2007 at 12:33 PM
The Empire whimpers back
Defector01 on December 26, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Dont go all WOBBLY on us now, Gordon.
Always Right on December 26, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Our cousins didn’t exactly cover themselves with glory in the way they handled Basra in Iraq, either. Kind of tough to figure. The average Brit fighting man is superb, but the upper military levels seem even more handcuffed by politicians than our U.S. guys. They seem bound and determined to negotiate themselves into corners.
a capella on December 26, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Gordon Brown is a puppet of the EU, and as such a islamist apologist by proxy. He will submit to whatever demands made by the UK’s and the EU’s muslim masters.
darwin on December 26, 2007 at 12:41 PM
It’s clear we need to strengthen our ties with our stronger allies, the Aussies, the Japanese, S. Korea, the Serbs, Israel, etc.
NATO and the UN are a joke. Time for a new alliance.
AZCON on December 26, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Quite desparation is the English way……..
P. James Moriarty on December 26, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Brown, you’re rubbish. Put yourself in the bin, and bring Tony back. At least he understood the dangers.
tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 12:44 PM
AZCON on December 26, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Um the Aussies just elected a socialists…they won’t be our allies for long, if they even are still now.
tickleddragon on December 26, 2007 at 12:45 PM
Dump ‘em. Dump ‘em now.
Griz on December 26, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Why I am not shocked after the way they let their sailors and marines be taken by the Iranians with out calling in the navy for support when they needed it.
Where is Margaret Thatcher when Briton really needs her???
Mojack420 on December 26, 2007 at 12:55 PM
If they have the balls to bounce him, he’ll just come over here and work for the dems.
LtE126 on December 26, 2007 at 1:02 PM
Browny, you got some ‘splaining to do………..
Hawkins1701 on December 26, 2007 at 1:27 PM
So the brits have given us another Chamberlian. Peachy…
conservnut on December 26, 2007 at 1:50 PM
Moriarty, as you know, that line goes “hanging on in quiet desperation….”
seems to me like the Brits are “turning tail with quiet desperation….”
not exactly the English way we have come to know and expect from our history books.
Mike D. on December 26, 2007 at 2:01 PM
The Brits have been Muslim apologists for 400 years. There has been no Western Government as accommodating. Given Britain’s abysmal fighting capability in Afghanistan retreat seems like the best option to the Brits.
pat on December 26, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Aw man, settle down now. pat, you’ve obviously never heard of Chinese Gordon. The English will do.
dingbat on December 26, 2007 at 2:40 PM
Perfidious Albion has returned!
mojo on December 26, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Remind me again how you can negotiate with serial killers? Before actually criticing GB, I have to caution myself we may be in the same position come inauguration day in Jan. 2009. Be afraid, very afraid, of who you place your faith in in the coming presidential election. The Brits got exactly who they wished for to lead them. We have to be active enough in politics to prevent the same outcome.
24K lady on December 26, 2007 at 3:43 PM
The British Lion has a belly full of Asian parasites that cause confusion and lamentable behavior it seems.
BL@KBIRD on December 26, 2007 at 3:49 PM
It’s clear we need to strengthen our ties with our stronger allies, the Aussies, the Japanese, S. Korea, the Serbs, Israel, etc.
NATO and the UN are a joke. Time for a new alliance.
AZCON on December 26, 2007 at 12:42 PM
After what Bubba did to the Serbs, I would understand if they told us to #*@& off.
Clink on December 26, 2007 at 3:55 PM
Sad. I knew Gordon Brown had few scruples — he lied to his people about having a referendum on the EU Constitution — but this makes him out to be a naive fool, a dangerous man for all the wrong reasons. And the EU and the UN are involved with all their diplomatic wizardry on display; what a surprise.
Aardvark on December 26, 2007 at 4:27 PM
WTF!? The British people cannot want someone to lead them like this. Where is the backbone that stood up against the Nazis? No way they want to bow down to the muslim hordes… Hard to believe.
Winston Churchill rolls in his grave… again.
Swinehound on December 26, 2007 at 4:43 PM
Liberals.
Need I say more?
thejackal on December 26, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Run away! Run away!
The Pythons are in power.
profitsbeard on December 26, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Empires end. Get over it.
JiangxiDad on December 26, 2007 at 6:12 PM
What do you expect after years of Labour party governance? These people make our Nancy Pelosi-led Democrats look tame.
MCPO Airdale on December 26, 2007 at 6:56 PM
An absolute bloody pity!
canopfor on December 26, 2007 at 7:44 PM
Peace in our time.
jgapinoy on December 26, 2007 at 8:44 PM
Sadly, inevitably, it remains us, that is the U.S., and only the U.S., against the world, as usual, and probably for all time. Of course, next year the democ-rats will try their best and worst to bring America to its’ knees to be raped by the world. We have to VOTE, people! We have time to prevent this from happening. Get out the vote next November!
countywolf on December 26, 2007 at 8:47 PM
What craven wretchedness.
Blair looks more like Churchill every day.
darkpixel on December 26, 2007 at 9:32 PM
England is a banana republic overrun by Muslims that has a few nukes. Very dangerous indeed.
sanantonian on December 26, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Miss you, Tony Blair!
p40tiger on December 27, 2007 at 12:12 AM
Cripes, I’ve been saying that since I went there in early 2004…
major john on December 27, 2007 at 1:00 AM