Video: Ron Paul explains “fascism” and little else on Meet the Press

posted at 8:12 pm on December 23, 2007 by Bryan

As Red State observes, strange things happen when Tim Russert meets Ron Paul. On MTP this morning, Russert asked Paul a number of questions, from how and what government stuff would Paul pay for once he’s done away with the income tax, to whether America should defend its allies like South Korea (he thinks we shouldn’t, and double ditto that for Israel, and don’t even get him started on any other problem area anywhere in the world — his answer is always to blame America).

Ron Paul, quite incredibly, thinks Iran has no army, no navy and no air force at all and therefore would never attack Israel. Evidently Paul doesn’t realize the utility that ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons would offer an Iran whose president has repeatedly declared his personal desire to wipe Israel off the map. A couple of well-placed nukes could in fact do that, whether Iran has an army or not. Which, by the way, it does. Really. Iran does have an army. A navy and an air force, too, with an indigenously constructed fighter airplane leading the latter into the skies. Paul might want to bone up on that a bit. He’d do well to Google the Shahab series of missiles while he’s at it.

Paul also might want to bone up on the US military’s presence overseas and who actually pays for it. He’s against it, though he doesn’t even know how many troops we have overseas or what they’re doing or why they’re there. That also came out in the interview. And he thinks the US taxpayer pays the entire bill, which isn’t true. We pay the bulk of it, but we don’t pay all of it. Host countries pick up a sizable portion of the tab, funding everything from the cost of living allowances to the housing that our overseas troops need. All of that and more was packed into an interview that demonstrated once and for all that however well-meaning Paul is on the small government front (an area where he could and does make some sense), he’s simply too ignorant on foreign policy and too quick to blame America for just about every bad thing in the world to be trusted with the power of the presidency. No good can come of it.

I clipped the section below, though, because it reveals that deep in his libertarian heart Ron Paul may actually be a bigot. Tim Russert asks Paul if he would like to revise the remark he made on Fox the other day when he reacted to the Huckabee “floating cross” ad by leaping to denounce fascism. The clear inference Paul was making was that Huckabee was engaging in a little fascism when he wished Americans a Merry Christmas in a TV ad. Check out Paul’s answer: He was unprepared for that question, heard about a cross in an ad, and thought immediately of fascism. Not the Christmas season, that being this very time of year. Not church or anything like that. Fascism.

That’s the mind of a bigot at work, imho. Or a paranoiac. Take your pick, Ronulans.

More: In case anyone thinks I’m kidding about some of the things I mention above, here’s the transcript of the interview. On Iran:

MR. RUSSERT: So if Iran invaded Israel, what do we do?

REP. PAUL: Well, they’re not going to. That is like saying “Iran is about to invade Mars.” I mean, they have nothing. They don’t have an army or navy or air force. And Israelis have 300 nuclear weapons. Nobody would touch them. But, no, if, if it were in our national security interests and Congress says, “You know, this is very, very important, we have to declare war.” But presidents don’t have the authority to go to war.

On South Korea and our overseas troops and bases:

MR. RUSSERT: How many troops do we have overseas right now?

REP. PAUL: I don’t know the exact number, but more than we need. We don’t need any.

MR. RUSSERT: It’s 572,000. And you’d bring them all home?

REP. PAUL: As quickly as possible. We–they will not serve our interests to be overseas. They get us into trouble. And we can defend this country without troops in Germany, troops in Japan. How do they help our national defense? Doesn’t make any sense to me. Troops in Korea since I’ve been in high school?

MR. RUSSERT: What…

REP. PAUL: You know, it doesn’t make any sense.

MR. RUSSERT: Under President Paul, if North Korea invaded South Korea, would we respond?

REP. PAUL: I don’t–why should we unless the Congress declared war? I mean, why are we there? Could–South Korea, they’re begging and pleading to unify their country, and we get in their way. They want to build bridges and go back and forth. Vietnam, we left under the worst of circumstances. The country is unified. They have become Westernized. We trade with them. Their president comes here. And Korea, we stayed there and look at the mess. I mean, the problem still exists, and it’s drained trillion dollars over these last, you know, 50 years. So stop–we can’t afford it anymore. We’re going bankrupt. All empires end because the countries go bankrupt, and the, and the currency crashes. That’s what happening. And we need to come out of this sensibly rather than waiting for a financial crisis.

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So that Iranian P3 Orion that buzzed us almost everyday for four months in the PG was just a figment of the imagination of the radar and look outs?

Who knew?

Jim708 on December 23, 2007 at 11:05 PM

Oh, and all Ron Paul is missing is a big red nose and floppy shoes–and yes, he is the scary kind of clown. We may have actually found someone who’s more ignorant about foreign affairs than Huckabee, and that’s saying something. How anybody in their right mind–but then I just answered my own question–could dream of supporting this loon is beyond belief.

I’d like to put him and Kucinich in a room, lock the door, and let them have a crazy-off just to see who’s nuttier.

ReubenJCogburn on December 23, 2007 at 11:09 PM

Oh, and all Ron Paul is missing is a big red nose and floppy shoes–and yes, he is the scary kind of clown.

he kinda looks like an elf

jp on December 23, 2007 at 11:17 PM

Ron Paul is a bumbling old man when it comes to Foreign Policy. Every time I hear him speak about domestic issues I am so impressed…but then he starts talking about our foreign policy and military affairs and I start looking around for the men in white with a straight-jacket.

VOTE FRED THOMPSON!

msipes on December 23, 2007 at 11:21 PM

You know, other than the fact that he showed himself to be a total idiot with little (if any) command of the facts and nary a clue about how the real world works, along with a of a bigotry and a dash of some Birchesque crankery thrown in for good measure, I thought he came off pretty well.

Also, other than the fact that one of her daughters is a semi-psychotic popstar in eternal meltdown and the other one is a 16 year old that just got knocked up, I think Lynne Spears did a bang-up job of raising her daughters.

thirteen28 on December 23, 2007 at 11:30 PM

Wait….antagonism = fascism?

I think Paul makes a few good points here and there and I like his fiscal conservatism on principle, but man, when he starts in with some of that b.s. I have to laugh.

Metro on December 23, 2007 at 11:32 PM

I could explain it to you – but I think you’ll have to consult an expert on human behavior.

You silly, silly, man.

You thought I would let that go unnoticed?

I am omnipotent. I am a fascist. A FREDHEAD!

wccawa on December 23, 2007 at 11:41 PM

Ron Paul, quite incredibly, thinks Iran has no army, no navy and no air force at all and therefore would never attack Israel. Evidently Paul doesn’t realize the utility that ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons would offer an Iran whose president has repeatedly declared his personal desire to wipe Israel off the map. A couple of well-placed nukes could in fact do that, whether Iran has an army or not

Yeah, that wasn’t too brilliant.

I watched most of this interview (I had to work between 130a and 330a and slept through the first 15min), I noticed that Ron didn’t flinch when asked a question continually looked to his right maybe 90% of the time, he really believes in what he says.
Apparently the Federal reserve was off limits and I wanted to see what he had to say about it on MTC.

Speakup on December 23, 2007 at 11:44 PM

Video: Ron Paul explains “fascism” and little else on Meet the Press

But he completely failed to address the soft fascism of low expectations. (And no, I didn’t have a point there, that just sounded amusingly random to me.)

Does anybody remember that scene in Toy Story 2 where the toys try to cross the busy street, almost get crushed a half dozen times over, and end up causing this giant disastrous pileup? And as soon as they’re across, Mr. Potato Head says, “That went well.”

This interview was that scene, and offroadaz was our Mr. Potato Head.

ReubenJCogburn on December 23, 2007 at 11:57 PM

Ron Paul is dumber than a bag of wet mice.

Tennessee Dave on December 23, 2007 at 9:04 PM

You are insulting wet mice, but I do like blimps.

xplodeit on December 24, 2007 at 12:17 AM

“You got Jesus in my Socialism! You got Socialism in my Jesus! (together) “It’s delicious!”

ReubenJCogburn on December 23, 2007 at 11:02 PM

LOL! Brilliant idea, it would “almost” be worth four year just to see the commercial.

FloatingRock on December 24, 2007 at 12:29 AM

Apart from foreign policy? Maybe he might want to review the Constitution to determine who has the primary repsonsibility for foreign policy.

Apart from the gunfire, Mrs. Lincoln quite enjoyed the play, too.

John Wilkes Booth had a blimp.

Well, that’s the word on the street.

Jimmie on December 24, 2007 at 12:30 AM

I think that markets better as HUCKOBAMA!

VOTE OBAMABEE!

Jimmie on December 24, 2007 at 12:32 AM

So if he plans to bring all troops home, does he also plan to unsign all treaties which require troops?

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on December 24, 2007 at 1:51 AM

So if he plans to bring all troops home, does he also plan to unsign all treaties which require troops?

He’d probably say the treaties are unconstitutional, like 99% of everything the government does (according to him).

LagunaDave on December 24, 2007 at 5:26 AM

VOTE OBAMABEE!

Jimmie on December 24, 2007 at 12:32 AM

It’s the ticket Jesus would vote for… because he’s definitely not racist!

Lehosh on December 24, 2007 at 6:07 AM

Am I confused – or is he? Or do I just need to drink more?

Professor Blather on December 23, 2007 at 8:49 PM

Either way.
And it couldn’t hurt.
At least it never has me.

soundingboard on December 24, 2007 at 6:52 AM

Ron Paul has moved from simple Truther crank all the way to propeller-beanie crank.

eeyore on December 24, 2007 at 8:33 AM

I suspect that one who is immersed in fascism, such as Bryan, has great difficulty recognizing it. Anyone who doesn’t recognize the depths to which the U.S. has become a fascist police state is either utterly ignorant of history [likely] or simply part of the problem. Paul hit the nail on the head in that particular portion of the interview, and Bryan clearly needs to start reading a bit of history.

Henry Bowman on December 24, 2007 at 8:44 AM

Henry Bowman on December 24, 2007 at 8:44 AM

LoL. You can’t make this stuff up!

Reminds me of a quote by Tom Wolf: “Why is it that the ‘dark night of fascism’ is always falling on the United States–and always landing on Europe?”

Lehosh on December 24, 2007 at 8:57 AM

Evidently Paul doesn’t realize the utility that ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons would offer an Iran whose president has repeatedly declared his personal desire to wipe Israel off the map.

That’s just door #1, which would disqualify Paul on sheer stupidity.

Door #2 is that he doesn’t care if Israel is wiped off the map by nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles, in which case he gets disqualified for having no idea what the saying, “Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it,” means.

Door #3 is the most-frightening; he’s rooting for Israel’s destruction. Judging by his quip that the cross equals fascism, I’d say it’s fair to state the door is unlocked.

steveegg on December 24, 2007 at 9:00 AM

Henry Bowman on December 24, 2007 at 8:44 AM

We have a winner for joke of the day right there.

Bryan on December 24, 2007 at 9:03 AM

I am confused. Who is this Ron Paul of which you speak? Does he also have a last name?

wccawa on December 24, 2007 at 9:03 AM

Merry fascist Christmas, everybody ! lol

Syndic Nuruodo on December 24, 2007 at 9:03 AM

We have a winner for joke of the day right there.

Bryan on December 24, 2007 at 9:03 AM

Or at least joker. I’m a bit partial to Jack Nicholson myself.

steveegg on December 24, 2007 at 9:17 AM

Henry Bowman on December 24, 2007 at 8:44 AM

Translation = Only people who are immersed in his delusions can hope to understand them.

BTW, nice username. Say, who will be the first against the wall when you organize your litle junta…?

JohnTant on December 24, 2007 at 9:17 AM

We have a winner for joke of the day right there.

Bryan on December 24, 2007 at 9:03 AM

OK, who let that retard slip past the registration process…Heads must roll…

doriangrey on December 24, 2007 at 9:38 AM

SECOND LOOK AT THE TARD!

wccawa on December 24, 2007 at 9:43 AM

OK, who let that retard slip past the registration process…Heads must roll…

doriangrey on December 24, 2007 at 9:38 AM

Now where did I put my broadsword?

Seriously, these threads are useful in uncovering deep-cover trolls.

steveegg on December 24, 2007 at 9:53 AM

SECOND LOOK AT THE TARD!

wccawa on December 24, 2007 at 9:43 AM

I’LL SECOND THAT MOTION…

doriangrey on December 24, 2007 at 10:44 AM

Now where did I put my broadsword?

Seriously, these threads are useful in uncovering deep-cover trolls.

steveegg on December 24, 2007 at 9:53 AM

That they are…

doriangrey on December 24, 2007 at 10:45 AM

OMG!!!! Fascist and Fred both begin with “F”!!!!!!1!!11!!2!!

wccawa on December 24, 2007 at 11:29 AM

You know, Paul and the Paultards try to fashion them self to be like the founding fathers and 18th century thinking.

Except for if Paul was alive back then and spreading the same anti-American War Propaganda that he’s been spreading he’d be hung for Treason.

jp on December 24, 2007 at 11:43 AM

I suspect that one who is immersed in fascism, such as Bryan, has great difficulty recognizing it.

Henry Bowman on December 24, 2007 at 8:44 AM

Fascism! You’re soaking in it!

These loons are beyond parody.

ReubenJCogburn on December 24, 2007 at 12:52 PM

ONLY RON PAUL AND HIS MERRY BAND OF NEO-NAZI WHITE SUPREMICIST FACIST FOLLOWERS CAN SAVE AMERICA…

…AND IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU’RE A FACIST!

Hollowpoint on December 24, 2007 at 2:19 PM

I suspect that one who is immersed in fascism, such as

Bryan, has great difficulty recognizing it. Anyone who doesn’t recognize the depths to which the U.S. has become a fascist police state is either utterly ignorant of history [likely] or simply part of the problem. Paul hit the nail on the head in that particular portion of the interview, and Bryan clearly needs to start reading a bit of history.

So, you posting from jail, Henry? If you hate it here so much, why not leave?

William Teach on December 24, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Whish hymn into the corn feild

Kini on December 24, 2007 at 3:11 PM

Henry Bowman on December 24, 2007 at 8:44 AM

Dear Mr. ‘Bowman’…..

I’m with ya brother. I’ve been following Bryan around for months. I have observed Bryan move between Berchtesgaden and Dick Cheney’s compound at least 116 times. Right after each vist a new Bryan post appears on HA. My contacts in Manila have forwarded information connecting Michelle with Tojo’s decendents. Allah still remains a mystery, however. It is suspected that he is actually a Pinochet operative but out last contacts in the Andes have failed to re-establish contact with us to confirm it.

One indisputable fact…..all the ash cans from Michelle’s, Bryan’s, and Allah’s curb side pick-ups contain charred book bindings. Several of the bindings are books of the same title so it seems a concerted effort is being made to erase history.

The last fact will absolutely blow your mind….no tin foil has been found in their trash bags.

Thank you for your efforts to stop this menace.

Yours truly,
Elvis on the Pecos.

Limerick on December 24, 2007 at 3:17 PM

ONLY RON PAUL AND HIS MERRY BAND OF NEO-NAZI WHITE SUPREMICIST FACIST FOLLOWERS CAN SAVE AMERICA…

…AND IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU’RE A FACIST!

Hollowpoint on December 24, 2007 at 2:19 PM

FASCIST!!11!!!ELEVENTY!!1!

I’d love to do a controlled experiment between a group of 100 random conservatives and 100 random Paultards, testing them on their knowledge of history and the Constitution–you know, the subjects that every Ronulan considers himself a world-class authority on. I don’t think there’s any question that the Paulbots would get slaughtered, the only question is how much of a slaughter it would be. It would be fun to find out, though.

ReubenJCogburn on December 24, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Limerick on December 24, 2007 at 3:17 PM

Heh. You know he’s going to believe that stuff now.

ReubenJCogburn on December 24, 2007 at 3:23 PM

ReubenJCogburn on December 24, 2007 at 3:23 PM

I like your idea RJC…..only can we substitue paint-ball guns. I have a feeling that all the THC will severely effect their aim.

Limerick on December 24, 2007 at 3:25 PM

I like your idea RJC…..only can we substitue paint-ball guns. I have a feeling that all the THC will severely effect their aim.

Limerick on December 24, 2007 at 3:25 PM

I have a feeling that all the THC severely affects pretty much everything with them. How about we have the paintball event after keeping them cooped up for a few hours with the written portion? That way they’ll really be jonesing, and won’t care about anything in their surroundings, just their next hit. Cries of “Neocon!” and “Fascist!” will fill the forest as they get covered in paint.

ReubenJCogburn on December 24, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Good Lord doesn’t anyone know what Fascism means? Paul’s worse than a Sarah Lawrence undergrad! I mean Mussolini, the creator of Fascism wrote an essay describing what Fascism is, and Paul’s off by a mile. Closer than most lefties, but still way off.

Rob Taylor on December 24, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Except for if Paul was alive back then and spreading the same anti-American War Propaganda that he’s been spreading he’d be hung for Treason.

Hopefully not for his criticism of the government. If you look at the acrimony in the campaign of 1796 between Adams and Jefferson, the Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans were very nasty in the accusations of either monarchism or radicalism.

An early critic of the government could have been convicted under the Sedition Act under President Adams, but would have been pardoned by President Jefferson. Jefferson felt that the Sedition Act was unconstitutional, and it would likely wouldn’t survive a court challenge today.

dedalus on December 24, 2007 at 4:46 PM

Ron Paul: Very Gradual Emancipationist

bnelson44 on December 24, 2007 at 4:48 PM

dedalus on December 24, 2007 at 4:46 PM

No, just for his war propaganda

jp on December 24, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Am I confused – or is he? Or do I just need to drink more?

Professor Blather on December 23, 2007 at 8:49 PM

It’s Christmas Eve. You need to start drinking now, whether you’re confused or not. Then you won’t care, and all will be right with the world.

You know, I’ve been really torn between Fred and this Ron Paul guy. If Fred tanks in Iowa and Ron doesn’t start doing his homework pretty soon, I’ll have to choose between the bunch of middle-of-the-road-one-size-fits-all losers that are left.

Oh, the hell with it. I need a drink. Merry Christmas to Bryan, Allahpundit, See Dubya, anyone else on the payroll I left out, and of course, the Divine Mrs M. God bless us, everyone.

I still need a drink.

manwithblackhat on December 24, 2007 at 5:22 PM

I don’t understand how one man can seem to have new fresh and great ideas 1 second and the next moment he opens his mouth sounds so cooky. It is like he threw random darts at a board with policies on it and choose what he landed on good or bad.

He does make some good points that some don’t seem to understand. Research police use of military tactics to serve nonviolent warrants and the deaths those have caused in the U.S…sometimes at the wrong house.

Resolute on December 24, 2007 at 6:41 PM

ARG Iowa: Huck 23%; Romney 21%; McCain 17%; Paul 10%

bnelson44 on December 24, 2007 at 7:27 PM

No, just for his war propaganda

We should let him have his say and leave silencing dissent to the Putin’s of the world.

dedalus on December 24, 2007 at 7:40 PM

ARG Iowa: Huck 23%; Romney 21%; McCain 17%; Paul 10%

The interesting number there is McCain. If Romney finishes behind McCain in Iowa or New Hampshire he’ll be in trouble. Also, Rudy has to hope that the results from IA, NH, MI, SC are jumbled enough that his campaign isn’t over before it begins.

dedalus on December 24, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Yet more evidence of RP’s unelectability.

However, in one sense, he does have a point…about Iran’s military capacity. It may well have a considerable body of men serving under the banner of ‘army’, ‘navy’ etc…but this is a far cry from actually _having_ an _army_. Nuance, sure…but recall that Iran ground itself into the dirt fighting its neighbor for ten years or so…just how do you think it can sustain the logistics of grander military adventures. The slavessoldiers it can sacrificefield have no stomach for war.

Simply put..they suck at it. Israel would wipe their sh!tty arses with them and laugh while doing so.

The only danger we need to concern ourselves with, and indeed the one _massive_ danger that RP is blind to the point of derangement about, is that of nuclear capacity.

We need to smack that bitch down hard…and fast.

Ochlan on December 24, 2007 at 8:35 PM

Ochlan on December 24, 2007 at 8:35 PM

Iran has used Hezbullah and Hamas to attack Israel already.

bnelson44 on December 24, 2007 at 9:02 PM

We should let him have his say and leave silencing dissent to the Putin’s of the world.

not talking about dissent, talking about anti-american war propaganda and outright lies that aide the enemy. talking about the stuff that Michael Moore was talking about and the other fringe fruitcakes that now paul is

jp on December 24, 2007 at 10:41 PM

Good News, Bad News Time:

Good News: Ron Paul won’t win the nomination.

Bad News: What he said in that clip made a lot more sense than what you wrote in that post.

Yoosaion on December 24, 2007 at 10:46 PM

not talking about dissent, talking about anti-american war propaganda and outright lies that aide the enemy. talking about the stuff that Michael Moore was talking about and the other fringe fruitcakes that now paul is

It’s best to counter wrong speech with free speech.

dedalus on December 24, 2007 at 11:21 PM

Here is what Paul had to say about Israel and Iran:

Russert: What if Iran would “invade” Israel?

Paul: “Well, they are not going to. That is like saying that Iran is about to invade Mars. They have nothing, they don’t have an army or a navy or an air force. Israelis have 300 nuclear weapons, nobody would touch them… It is an impossible situation.”

Russert showed him a quote of something he said on CNN: “Israel is dependent on us, you know, for economic means. We send them these billions of dollars and then they depend on us. They say, well, you know, we don’t like Iran. You go fight our battles. You bomb Iran for us. And they become dependent on us.”

Then the question: “who in Israel says go bomb Iran for us?”

Paul: “Well, I don’t know the individual, but we know that the leadership, you read it in the papers daily, that the government of Israel encourages Americans to go into Iran. I don’t think that’s a top secret…”

Russert: “That the government of Israel wants us to bomb Iran?”

Paul: “I don’t think there’s a doubt that they’ve encouraged us to do that. And of course the neoconservatives have been anxious to do that for a long time.”

bnelson44 on December 24, 2007 at 11:33 PM

Ron Paul’s new Revolution Blimp arrives in Lakehurst, New Jersey. It might stay a while.

Egfrow on December 25, 2007 at 2:28 AM

He has a blimp, you know. A blimp.

Good grief, Rosie O’Donnell needed a job. One 9/11 troofer moonbat deseves another.

pdigaudio on December 25, 2007 at 2:32 AM

Ron wants to decriminalize dope.

Beginning with himself.

And there’s that blimp.

His foreign policy naivete is dangerous.

Even for someone tranked to pudding on sensimilla.

profitsbeard on December 25, 2007 at 12:27 PM

So far as Israel is concerned He’s both right and wrong.
Yeah Israel has nukes to defend herself however we have to ask ourselves, do we want a nuclear middle east conflict?

Speakup on December 25, 2007 at 12:52 PM

It’s best to counter wrong speech with free speech.

dedalus on December 24, 2007 at 11:21 PM

sure, but my comment was toungue in cheek about the 18th century. they did use to hang people for similar stunts back in the old days, if not that he’d be challenged to a dual.

jp on December 25, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Huh. And most of the people here think Huckabee would be worse than Ron Paul?

I’ll have some of what y’all are smoking!

psrch on December 25, 2007 at 1:35 PM

Didn’t Ron Paul in his days as the titular head of the Libertarian Party call for the “sexual emancipation” of children, i.e., the dismantling of strictures against statutory rape?

Anil Petra on December 25, 2007 at 1:56 PM

Anil Petra on December 25, 2007 at 1:56 PM

I’ve never heard of this. You sure?

bnelson44 on December 25, 2007 at 8:53 PM

All of that and more was packed into an interview that demonstrated once and for all that however well-meaning Paul is on the small government front (an area where he could and does make some sense), he’s simply too ignorant on foreign policy and too quick to blame America for just about every bad thing in the world to be trusted with the power of the presidency. No good can come of it.

This sounds like you are making are serious argument why the Ronulan Praetor shouldn’t be president. Didn’t every person to whom serious argument is persuasive figure this out either before 1988 or upon becoming a college sophomore?

thuja on December 25, 2007 at 9:48 PM

Did he just say of American troops being overseas that “they get us into trouble”???

eucher on December 25, 2007 at 9:55 PM

not talking about dissent, talking about anti-american war propaganda and outright lies that aide the enemy. talking about the stuff that Michael Moore was talking about and the other fringe fruitcakes that now paul is

sure, but my comment was toungue in cheek about the 18th century. they did use to hang people for similar stunts back in the old days

Folks like Jefferson, Hamilton and Madison were early Americans who risked hanging for their political actions. Perhaps because of that, their first amendment to the Constitution was intended to protect politcal speech against the government.

Hamilton was killed in a dual in 1804. The legality of the dual was questionable and Burr was indicted for murder, though aquitted. The country wasn’t made better by the death of Hamilton.

Currently, we spend almost $3 trillion on government. We should have more candidates challenge government growth. If the Republicans were put on earth to cut taxes and spending, they have a lot of catching up to do after the last 7 years.

dedalus on December 25, 2007 at 11:04 PM

I think it’s amusing that every time Paul says something ignorant and asinine that a crack team of translators comes out of the woodwork to interpret for the rest of the world what he so obviously meant to say, which is often completely at odds with what he literally said.

And if what he said is so stupid that it can’t be explained, they shriek (very loudly) about how pointing out stupidity equates to them being silenced.

Lehosh on December 26, 2007 at 8:42 AM

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