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posted at 10:00 pm on December 21, 2007 by Bryan
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As he put it, that preemptive limitation of goals was “the result of a sort of education and internalization that have taken place over the years. I remember periods where there was a great deal of friction with the senior military level regarding what is allowed and what is prohibited. But today I think that there is more or less an understanding of the rules of the game and I can’t identify any confrontation… or … demands to ‘Let the IDF win.’”


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baldilocks on December 21, 2007 at 10:04 PM

At each level the lawyers were asked to judge the legality of all the proposed targets and planned operations before they were carried out. And as the two explained, in their decisions, these lawyers were informed not by the goal of winning the war, but by their interpretation of international law.

What a way to fight a war.

Spirit of 1776 on December 21, 2007 at 10:06 PM

Didn’t Rumsfeld kick the crap out of a Pentagon window over the same kind of stuff?

Sammy316 on December 21, 2007 at 10:09 PM

Crazy sick.

At least Posner made some sense.

jaime on December 21, 2007 at 10:10 PM

Magical.

HarryBalzac on December 21, 2007 at 10:15 PM

Oh no someone please save mankind from lawyers.

boomer on December 21, 2007 at 10:16 PM

[…]a gradual process of ‘lawyerizing’ life in Israel.[…] and I can’t identify any confrontation… or … demands to ‘Let the IDF win.’”

Hey, that’s great! Now the only task remaining is to write about Israel in our history books. Hitler and Osama, PBUT, must be so proud.

Will somebody please explain to Israel that it’s supposed to be, “enlightened self-interest”, not, “enlightened self-destruction”?

FloatingRock on December 21, 2007 at 10:17 PM

‘Let the IDF win.’

Will the IDF pull the lawyer’s arms out of their sockets if they lose again?

Frozen Tex on December 21, 2007 at 10:27 PM

Will the IDF pull the lawyer’s arms out of their sockets if they lose again?

Frozen Tex on December 21, 2007 at 10:27 PM

To paraphrase something I read in a Frederick Forsyth novel: “They’ll pull out their arms and beat them to death with the soggy end.”

thejackal on December 21, 2007 at 10:37 PM

Sounds like it is time for the ‘Yippie-Kiyea Amendment’ before we are all dead (or in prison).

Limerick on December 21, 2007 at 10:40 PM

thejackal on December 21, 2007 at 10:37 PM

I was going for more of a “Star Wars” vibe, but your plan sounds like a good bit of advice for dealing with lawyers.

Frozen Tex on December 21, 2007 at 10:43 PM

Frozen Tex on December 21, 2007 at 10:43 PM

Technically, it is a very effective way to chill out an attorney.

“Your Honor, I’d like to move to dismiss these charges…AAHHHHH! My arms ripped off!”

After that, they whimper a bit, then go very quiet and after that they start to get really cold. There is, however, a significant bit of steam-cleaning involved.

thejackal on December 21, 2007 at 10:57 PM

Wow. They got it as bad or worse than us.

Griz on December 21, 2007 at 11:01 PM

This article is very easy to summarize.

Their liberals and lawyers eff up their wars too.

Speakup on December 21, 2007 at 11:07 PM

Maybe the next IDF mission,someone
could lock up the Lawyers for their
own good,and conveniently loose the key!

canopfor on December 21, 2007 at 11:12 PM

“Your Honor, I’d like to move to dismiss these charges…AAHHHHH! My arms ripped off!”

thejackal on December 21, 2007 at 10:57 PM

Ahhhh… Monte Python “black night” imagery in full bloom now.

“But it’s just a flesh wound!”

FloatingRock on December 21, 2007 at 11:20 PM

Sorry, but Caroline Glick is a bit too Chicken Little for my tastes. She has a tendency to overemphasize one aspect of a subject. I’d need to see the elided quotes before I worry that the IDF is being checked by lawyers.

They’re doing a great job in Gaza right now. Over 30 terrorists killed last week, and zero civilian casualties.

Meryl Yourish on December 21, 2007 at 11:23 PM

I’ll bet the author of this garbage is intimately familiar with the “swirly”.

landlines on December 21, 2007 at 11:38 PM

She has a tendency to overemphasize one aspect of a subject

Meryl Yourish on December 21, 2007 at 11:23 PM

Maybe you’re right, I don’t know, but if what she says is true then it’s true, regardless of emphasis.

Over 30 terrorists killed last week, and zero civilian casualties.

I used to have a friend named Jihad, born in the Palestinian territories, who told me that most of the “good” Palestinians leave the area. The polls I’ve seen show that the Palestinians that remain overwhelmingly support terrorism. Am I supposed to give a cr@p about civilian casualties? Please explain…

FloatingRock on December 21, 2007 at 11:47 PM

There is, however, a significant bit of steam-cleaning involved.

Hey, you gotta take the bad with the good.

Bob's Kid on December 21, 2007 at 11:56 PM

Wow. They got it as bad or worse than us.

Far, far worse. Remember please that the Crusader Kingdom lasted 400 years and eventually succumbed to Muslim aggression. Modern Israel has been around 60 years and under weak leadership continues to place itself in peril.

If you were a Muslim and intimately familiar with the scope of history could you think of any reason to limit aggression and scale back all-out war against the Jews?

If you were an American and the Mexican government started firing missiles at San Diego 24/7 would you recommend a diplomatic solution, preferably one that sought to examine the grievances of alienated Mexicans? A American-Mexican peace process?

These are rhetorical questions that require no answer. Food for thought.

aengus on December 22, 2007 at 12:36 AM

Back in the good old days. Those that was preventing victory, or not pulling their weight, or lost favor with the King, where stationed on the front line and ordered to storm the wall.

This is what we need to do with all lawyers in all the armed forces.

unseen on December 22, 2007 at 1:02 AM

the lawyers were asked to judge the legality of…

If that’s how wars are going to be fought, we are truly doomed. As if our enemies would give us the same consideration…

infidel4life on December 22, 2007 at 1:04 AM

Hmmmm maybe the IDF should just sue Hez.

- The Cat

MirCat on December 22, 2007 at 1:43 AM

What a way to fight a war.

Spirit of 1776 on December 21, 2007 at 10:06 PM

They learned it from our liberals…Viet Nam to the present. What’s worse than our carbon footprint?…our legal footprint.

right2bright on December 22, 2007 at 2:07 AM

What has changed is the focus of military and political leaders in conducting war. Before the advent of legal dominance, commanders and political leaders devoted themselves to winning wars. Today they concentrate their efforts on avoiding criminal indictments.

kinda says it all, right there, sadly

mrfixit on December 22, 2007 at 5:10 AM

Good News: we don’t live in Israel.

Good News: (Bush) “International Law? What’s that?”

Bad News: Everyone else running for President is well to Bush’s left in this kind of thinking.

Jaibones on December 22, 2007 at 8:39 AM

Am I supposed to give a cr@p about civilian casualties? Please explain…

Well, I don’t buy your friend’s explanation that there are no civilians in the territories. For one thing, children aren’t born hating Jews. They have to be taught. For another, if they’re not actively taking up arms against Israel, they’re civilians.

I do not believe in murder. I do believe in self-defense. Kill all the terrorists you can—I’m fine with that—but when the IDF takes out over 30 terrorists, and only terrorists, it’s better than hitting 30 terrorists and x number of civilians. Granted, the terrorists hide among civilians—but that doesn’t mean we should celebrate those deaths. It’s a bad thing all around.

Meryl Yourish on December 22, 2007 at 9:00 AM

Israel seems to have developed an internal culture of politicians that are working towards total defeat by a ruthless enemy. Now where did I see that before?

Hening on December 22, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Bad News: Everyone else All but one guy running for President is well to Bush’s left in this kind of thinking.

Fixed that for ya.

wccawa on December 22, 2007 at 10:07 AM

Put all the lawyers in penal battalions, issue them with plastic keys and march them toward Hezbolla next time.

I have encountered many lawyers, only one was a truly honest human being. Peddling lies for truth does negative things to the soul eventually.

The OJ case was the final straw. Every lawyer wanted to be Johnny Cochran and get a murderer acquitted and be revered by other lawyers.

But that is just my view and experience of them.

BL@KBIRD on December 22, 2007 at 11:21 AM

“Inter Arma Silent Leges,” – Cicero
In times of war, laws are silent.

LakeRuins on December 22, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Meryl Yourish on December 22, 2007 at 9:00 AM

I think you misunderstood my point. My point isn’t that there aren’t any civilians in the Palestinian territories, my point was, so what? There were lots of civilians in Japan and Germany and the occupied nations of Europe during WWII, we still bombed the cr@p out of them, and Palestinians, whom overwhelmingly support terrorism, are more deserving than any of them ever were.

FloatingRock on December 22, 2007 at 2:54 PM

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