Videos: Bill Clinton spins an Iowa loss for Hillary, dismisses Obama on the Charlie Rose Show
posted at 11:15 am on December 15, 2007 by Bryan
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The wheels on the Clinton Machine start coming off, so Bill Clinton rushes into the fray with the world’s fastest lug wrench. Slick Willie appeared on the Charlie Rose Show (transcript) last night to spin Hillary’s chances of winning Iowa and New Hampshire, or rather, to spin what the world will be like after she loses Iowa and New Hampshire. He says, incredibly, that he never thought Hillary would win Iowa.
Bill Clinton: Edwards might win in Iowa.
Charlie Rose: That’s what I hear.
Bill Clinton: And I think that — but I think it’s a miracle that Hillary’s got a chance to win. She might win this thing in Iowa. And I’m not low-balling it. You can look at the facts here. I think it’s a miracle, because of the way the thing has played out. But she is so good, if she just gets before enough people, and she would be the best president. I don’t think it’s close, if you believe the past record as an agent of positive change is a good indicator of future performance, I don’t think it’s close, who would be most likely to be the most good in the least amount of time.
That’s a fun way of spinning that she had a chance to win Iowa as recently as a month ago but she’s cratering now. Check out RCP’s poll trend charts. The lines don’t lie (but Bill Clinton does).

And New Hampshire.

The pink line is Hillary, and the green line is Obama. Look at the trends on the two charts above. The South Carolina chart over at RCP shows an identical trend. There are several ways to look at this, but I prefer to look at it as Hillary started tanking as soon as voters started seeing more of her. However you look at it, Bill’s spin doesn’t match the facts very well.
This next clip is vintage Slick Willie spin. Charlie Rose tries to pin Clinton down on why Hillary ought to be elected, and Bill whirls around that drain without ever quite sliding into it. He does offer that Obama is inexperienced and slips in a similar criticism on Edwards, though.
Bill Clinton: But it depends on what — yeah, but it depends what you think the election is about. If you listen to the people who are most strongly for him, they say basically we have to throw away all these experienced people because they have been through the wars of the ’90s, and they made enough decisions and enough calls that they made a few mistakes. And what we want is somebody who started running for president a year after he became a senator because he’s fresh, he’s new, he’s never made a mistake, and he has massive political skills. And we’re willing to risk it. And I, even when I was a governor and young and thought I was the best politician in the Democratic Party, I didn’t run the first time. I could have.
Charlie Rose: That would have been ‘88?
Bill Clinton: ‘88. And I had lots of Democratic governors encouraging me to. I knew in my bones I shouldn’t run — that I was a good enough politician to win, but I didn’t think I was ready to be president.
Charlie Rose: But do you — look at this. I mean –
Bill Clinton: Let the voters –
Charlie Rose: Is Joe Biden ready to be president?
Bill Clinton: Absolutely.
Charlie Rose: Is Chris Dodd ready to be president?
Bill Clinton: I think he’s –
Charlie Rose: Is Bill Richardson ready to be president?
Bill Clinton: I think all of them have — let me just explain it this way. I think all of them know enough and made enough decisions, including a few mistakes, which I think is good. I want somebody to be president who has made a few mistakes. I don’t know season that’s never made a mistake. Never had to correct one.
Charlie Rose: You believe you learn more from failure than you do victory?
Bill Clinton: No, but I think you learn something from both, if you got any sense. But the point I’m trying to make is, not to criticize — I have nothing bad to say about any of these people. I think Obama — I get tickled watching him. He’s got great skills. It depends on what the American people and the Democrats in the first instance believe is more important. Is it more important to have somebody who is basically by his very nature a compelling, incredibly attractive, highly intelligent symbol of transformation, or is it more information to have somebody who also would similar symbolize change by being the first woman president, but has actually done incredible numbers of different things to change other people’s lives? And she’s mostly been another direction person. She’s never ran for office before 2000. I think that matters.
Shorter Bill Clinton: Neither Hillary nor Obama have much experience in office, so vote for her because her win would be just as symbolic as Obama’s would be.
Elsewhere in the interview, Clinton spins the 2006 election as “our first post 9-11 election” (what happened to 2002 and 2004?). What a piece of work.
More: The Clintons must be worried about a presidential library story that’s due to hit tomorrow.
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Bill Clinton going against Obama, *shakes head* another case of black on black violence.
Mojave Mark on December 15, 2007 at 11:19 AM
says a lot that hillary has to wheel out her husband to defend her electability. She must know that 50% of her voters are there for Bill. Hillary is the death of feminism, isn’t she?
lorien1973 on December 15, 2007 at 11:21 AM
He is only slick to stupid people.
tomas on December 15, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Rush said the other day that he would need to see Hillary’s feet sticking out from under the house, and her in a casket, before he would believe the tales of her demise. I’ll take his advice.
JiangxiDad on December 15, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Bubba is trying to lower expectations so that a second, or even third, place finish for the missus can be spun as a victory.
photom on December 15, 2007 at 11:28 AM
Bryan,
What is your opinion regarding her campaign alluding to past indiscretions about Obama?
Do you think she has something, or is she just bluffing?
bert169 on December 15, 2007 at 11:28 AM
OMG, how many times did Bill refer to “Obama” as just a symbol?
“
I suppose that applies to Senator Clinton as well? I’m sure New Yorkers appreciate that!
ctmom on December 15, 2007 at 11:28 AM
Initially I thought she was bluffing, maybe to send reporters chasing after a MacGuffin while spinning up a whisper campaign. If the recent attempts to drag drug use weren’t the thing they were hinting at, I’m still inclined to think it’s a bluff.
Bryan on December 15, 2007 at 11:37 AM
Do you mean “not Black” but reminiscent of Black?
Or, just a token, but not reflective of Blacks in general?
Or, not black?
JiangxiDad on December 15, 2007 at 11:39 AM
His ‘vision for the post cold war world’ was to gut the military which cut expenses from the budget and made his budget numbers look good. Of course our military is underprepared for global military action. He did more damage to our military than any of our enemies.
‘I’m old fashioned’ he says LOL.
I know that if this country survived 8 years of this liar and used car salesman, eddie haskall, it does not matter who the president is. This guy needs to go away because he embarrasses this country. He shows that being a lying, pandering politician is more important than being a leader.
How can you tell he’s lying? he’s speaking.
Hearing him speak I think turns off voters because they don’t want to hear the double speak that he’s so good at anymore. I know I don’t. Listening to him is pointless and worthless.
ThackerAgency on December 15, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Oh yeah!
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I’m immediately suspicious of anyone who uses the term “change agent.”
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Did Charlie Rose snicker off camera when Clinton said he was a score keeper?
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This clip says one thing to me: The Clintons are very, very nervous.
Connie on December 15, 2007 at 11:50 AM
Bryan on December 15, 2007 at 11:37 AM
I have mixed feelings about it myself. If she’s bluffing, nobody’s buying it and it’s hurting her campaign. If there is something on Obama, her past allusions will inevitably lead voters to look with suspicion on her campaign when the dirt is released to the press. While it would hurt Obama, it would also sink Clinton’s hopes at the nomination. It’s a loose-loose scenario for Cankles right now. Either her campaign is that inept, or there is something else in play here.
bert169 on December 15, 2007 at 11:50 AM
The epitome of a contemporary political P.O.S.
Let him talk. Buy him airtime. Give him his own show on FOX.
Buy him lots of rope.
Griz on December 15, 2007 at 11:51 AM
I meant, “lose-lose” scenario.
bert169 on December 15, 2007 at 11:54 AM
This has to make Billy Jeff cringe a bit. Tough sledding. He may be having second thoughts about that bargain he made with Hillary after he got Lewinskied.
a capella on December 15, 2007 at 11:56 AM
And vice-versa. If his magic is gone, she can divorce him and try for the sympathy vote. Political dynamite.
JiangxiDad on December 15, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Right before the Iowa Caucus, someone needs to roll out a rerun of Monica, Vince, Whitewater, FBI Files, White House Furniture, Chinese Secrets, Budhist Temple Contributions, Jennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broderick, Linda Tripp, Travel Office, Rose Law Firm Documents, Ron Brown…
sabbott on December 15, 2007 at 12:06 PM
“Loose-loose” was ok. After all, it explains the need for a pantsuit. ;)
Connie on December 15, 2007 at 12:15 PM
But…but…didn’t Hillary say she’d already been vetted?
Connie on December 15, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Think about what life will be like for Bill if Hillary loses. In almost every situation there’s something to smile about :-) The wheel keeps on turnin’.
Oldnuke on December 15, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Hillary running on her experience is like a lizard running on water. Any rough spots, and she won’t get far.
petefrt on December 15, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Thats when she seemed most afraid to me.
It sounded like :
“PLEASE, don’t look to close, they’ve already looked here, please stay away”
.
I think the Shill does have something on B. Hussein, but with her ‘fully loaded closet’ she will have to wait until late January to use it…if she does. Yet it won’t be ‘Hillary’ releasing the info, of course. :-)
shooter on December 15, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Yep! And as others have commented, if Obama wins the nomination, and Slick has to hand over the mantle and dish out the praise at the convention, it would truly be a magnificent moment. It could only be made better if Streisand sang a song or two about going a new direction with Obama.
a capella on December 15, 2007 at 12:35 PM
http://www.againsthillary.com/
.
Your comment had me do a quick search…
It was too easy, so much material ya know.
Also, the always useful ( and growing) ‘clinton body count’ web site.
this is the lesser known one above.
.
CLINTONBODYCOUNT- IT IS GONE.
The main ‘body count’ web site is, well ….missing, kinda like so many people in the clinton’s lives
shooter on December 15, 2007 at 12:48 PM
I still don’t buy it. I’m with Rush……something smells in this entire Hill is down and Huck is up business.
Limerick on December 15, 2007 at 12:56 PM
This one seemed a bit strange, but that’s just me. Actually, the Arkansas ME seems to have had quite a bit of difficulty during that time period. Not a creative person at all.
a capella on December 15, 2007 at 1:00 PM
Is it just me or was he basically saying the biggest issue facing America is global warming?
terryannonline on December 15, 2007 at 1:14 PM
Bill is appealing to the latte lapping, NPR, public television audience with this appearence. He is going to throw his back out with these verbal contortions.
RobCon on December 15, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Dem bumper sticker: DITCH THE B****.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on December 15, 2007 at 1:34 PM
I can’t help but find that line unintentionally hilarious. Was there ever a time when Bill’s spin DID match the facts?
It appears that the Clintons, who’ve tried to redefine so many words, including “sex” and “is”, are now in the process of redefining “inevitable”. Pass the popcorn.
ReubenJCogburn on December 15, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Other polls show the harridan behind in the first four primaries.
I got a big chuckle out of the recent you tube video of a harridan precinct captain going over to B Hussein, taking up the harridan signs and replacing them with his….
It’s gotta be vest and helmet time over at her HQ…
dogsoldier on December 15, 2007 at 2:04 PM
I actually listened to Bills’ whirling dervish, tap dancing defense of his beloved wife for about three minutes last night. Channel flipping late at night can be hazardous to your health.
Had to turn him off. The spin, the lies, that “I did not have sex with that woman” expression on his face again. And all the while Charlie Rose was chuckling along with der Slickmiester.
BJ’s become totally unwatchable.
fogw on December 15, 2007 at 2:29 PM
This inexperience catfight shows just how important it is for the Republican nominee to be really strong in that area. No one term senate committee-sitters, please.
pedestrian on December 15, 2007 at 2:31 PM
He thinks that if he lowers “expectations” enough a not too bad second place finish in Iowa can be spun as a “victory” for his
wifesuccubusMB4 on December 15, 2007 at 3:11 PM
I like that screencap–it looks like Willy’s furiously summoning a hex to throw at Obama.
ReubenJCogburn on December 15, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Talk about the “
bigotryhypocrisy of low expectations”.Are you sure?
Entelechy on December 15, 2007 at 3:34 PM
Clarification – s/b “are you sure in her case?”
Entelechy on December 15, 2007 at 3:35 PM
Well I don’t know how else to explain the strange nightmares I have been having lately.
MB4 on December 15, 2007 at 3:43 PM
Looks like he’s assuming boob-grabbin’ position to me. ;)
techno_barbarian on December 15, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Now there’s a mental skid mark! Yikes.
techno_barbarian on December 15, 2007 at 3:53 PM
At first I thought he was having a flashback to the last intern who did a downward-facing-dog on him, but then I realized he was merely demonstrating the technique he uses when he and the missus starting fighting like two Sith lords with lightning coming out of their fingers.
pedestrian on December 15, 2007 at 3:54 PM
Heh, you’re almost as deprived as AP then. If this weren’t a Bill Clinton thread, we’d be off topic, though this w/b fun to continue. Alas, in any Bubba thread, sex is never taboo. How much he contributed to the world, the cigarman, as my HA e-friend Danno calls him.
Entelechy on December 15, 2007 at 3:54 PM
MB, go to cafepress and make money with this (capitalism) – Republican slogan “Hillary for president – well I don’t know how else to explain the strange nightmares I have been having lately” (notepads, T-shirts, posters, cups, micepads, etc.)
Entelechy on December 15, 2007 at 3:57 PM
I just know that I can levitate that cigar if I try hard enough. Rise. Rise.
- Bill Clinton
I just know that I can levitate Hillary from the political dead if she loses in Iowa. I am practicing right now. Rise. Rise.
- Bill Clinton
I just know that I really don’t need all that viagr@. Rise. Rise.
- Bill Clinton
MB4 on December 15, 2007 at 4:01 PM
Beyond the tiresome specter of YET ANOTHER consecutive clinton-or-bush presidency – since when are we the land of Tudors and Stuarts? – the thought of four more years of a relevant, in-my-face daily dose of Team Clinton has to make more than just Republicans blanch.
sulla on December 15, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Fighting back, and never giving up, Hillary Clinton won Iowa today. The Dems are already passing out terms like ‘The Iron Lady’. Congratulations Mrs. Clinton, there is no stopping you now.
Sincerely,
Zogby, Rasmussen, MSNBC
Limerick on December 15, 2007 at 5:10 PM
- – Bill Clinton
On Hillary’s ‘romantic’ remarks, she keeps on giving. First she was going to “look under the Oval Office carpet…and clean out the dirt”, or something similar. Then she promised “more than a one night stand with Iowa”.
The Clintons can’t help themselves – subconsciously they’re both about a lot of sexual innuendo. And we thought that Freud and his theories were dead.
Entelechy on December 15, 2007 at 5:29 PM
Even better than you Billy?
boomer on December 15, 2007 at 6:26 PM
What Bill is saying here is just be ignorant for a little while longer and Hillary will be the Pres. because the more people know about Hill the more they realize that incredibility is the Clinton hallmark.
Proof that the internet dissolves Teflon.
Speakup on December 15, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Actually, they are just a couple of low lifes that managed to make good. As Mammy said to Scarlett, “you cannot make a silk purse from a sow’s ear”. He is Jonas Wilkerson and Hillary is Emmy Slattery.
Sue on December 15, 2007 at 7:45 PM
Very interesting lib speak at it’s finest,sounds like this should be put next to the definition of IS!
“A political vision that aided our secruity”,”And I talked
about it often”,ya when he wasn’t getting serviced,or his
committment to peace,like Yesser Arafat,sitting in the rose garden waiting to talk to willy about the mideast peace.
And Charlie Rose is Priceless,”Because the argument,vision
and comprehension are more important then experience.”
So,it sounds like no matter how bad,or how much you
screw up,your always going to have an angle to get your
!ss out of that jam,Liberal style.
Again,who’s running for office,Bill or Hill!,and Bill
trying to do a pre-emptive spin,before the actually spin,
her demise in Iowa,oh I’m getting dizzy.
canopfor on December 15, 2007 at 8:00 PM
Terrific analogy. And sad for us.
JiangxiDad on December 15, 2007 at 8:07 PM
Bill and Hill Clinton shouldn’t be allowed to speak in public without a prominent consumer warning label.
Aside from the requirement that they should always wear the large red letters BS as a public warning…
When appearing on TV, a small red flag with the letters in white BS should wave back in forth at the bottom of the screen when they are factually wrong.
When speaking in person a follow around fact checker paid for by the Clinton’s should be required to wave a similar red flag when they’re factually wrong.
The only problem is, the red BS flags would never stop waving.
Most of America already knows they’re full of BS but that doesn’t absolve the Clinton’s from truth in advertising and USDA (spreading BS) laws.
Speakup on December 15, 2007 at 9:25 PM
If he keeps on talking, she’ll NEED a miracle!
JimC on December 15, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Is Monica’s dress in the Clinton library? Why not? It’s the cornerstone of Clinton’s presidency.
saved on December 16, 2007 at 8:04 AM
“Monica’s Dress” would be a great name for a rock band.
Mojave Mark on December 16, 2007 at 1:35 PM
Isn’t that in his personal mementos section, right next to the hookah.
Speakup on December 16, 2007 at 2:01 PM
I predict Hillary will not lose Iowa. Tom Vilsack was bought and paid for and the reason was to deliver Iowa. The deals have been made and the arms have already been twisted. The polls may reflect what real Iowa voters think and they like Obama. The polls do not reflect the Iowa democrat party apparatus. I am just giving you the opinion of someone who is here, in Iowa. Just remember why Tom Vilsack got all that money.
Terri on December 16, 2007 at 2:26 PM
You know, there is a difference in ’slick’ and ’slime’.
Oil is slick!
Bill Clinton is slime!
OBX Pete on December 16, 2007 at 7:30 PM
The guy spins everything.
Great example recently: robot in crowd asks him to apologize to (who was it, Sister Souljah?) and tosses a couple handfuls of paper. And how does Bill answer? Says “this guy ought to find a more environmentally friendly way to protest”!
Tzetzes on December 17, 2007 at 4:10 AM
Count the “I”s and “ME”s and sense that again it is all about Bill-Hill is on her own.
MSGTAS on December 17, 2007 at 8:16 AM
Is his nose growing?
I wonder if it glows in the dark, like Rudolph’s.
RMR on December 17, 2007 at 9:36 AM
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