Video: No Monkey Business; Update: Fred scores again on AP questionnaire; Update: O’Reilly freezes Fred out
posted at 2:28 pm on December 14, 2007 by Bryan
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It’s Fred being Fred, talking about his flyswat at the Iowa debate moderator on Wednesday. This is the Fred that we all expected to see come out months ago, the one who chomped on a cigar while he mocked Michael Moore, and then fled from the face of the earth for months while his campaign imploded. Now we’re seeing him, punking the media, goofing on his rivals and being the devilishly entertaining communicator and idea-wonk that we hoped for. The question is, is it too late for Fred’s new moves to matter?
Update (AP): Mary Katharine sends this one along. Gold.
Update: Thanks to a commenter, take a look at this. A few weeks ago, Fred griped that Fox was trying to sink him. Well, here’s last night’s “Factor Primary” slate. Bill O wants his viewers to vote for their favorite Republican candidate. Notice anyone missing?
Even the Des Moines Register’s idiotic criteria would have to include Fred in this list. Nationally, most polls have him in at least 4th place. Rasmussen has Fred tied for 3rd in Iowa, and 4th in Florida (3 points up on McCain). But McCain makes the list and Fred doesn’t. Hm.
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The more he talks like this, the more I like him. I don’t want to not vote for him just because he runs a crappy campaign.
flipflop on December 14, 2007 at 2:32 PM
Damn that guy is funny.
And im not just saying that cause i want him to be president.
amish on December 14, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Ref the update: Huck…..both this and the ‘most prized possession’ response….GUNS…..LOL…I guess that used car salesman I talked to about the Yugo was sincere. Praise the Lord and pass the bullets.
Limerick on December 14, 2007 at 2:34 PM
Is fred going to bring a rimshot mp3 whenever he goes somewhere now?
lorien1973 on December 14, 2007 at 2:35 PM
From the Rasmussen report:
Can anybody explain to me why this is the case? What the hell has Huck said or done that makes him suddenly so appealing to so many?
flipflop on December 14, 2007 at 2:36 PM
The pollsters told you so. How dare you!
Limerick on December 14, 2007 at 2:37 PM
Too late?
Nah. This stuff is just getting started. And Fred will inherit most of the Huck-heads once the Huckster flames out.
Mark my words, the real race will be between Fred and Mitt.
How I would LOVE to see that debate…
edgehead on December 14, 2007 at 2:38 PM
Heh…silly me, trying to think for myself.
flipflop on December 14, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Too late for what? Huckabee is enjoying his 15 min of fame.
ballz2wallz on December 14, 2007 at 2:40 PM
Pultizer Prize opportunity just waiting to be squandered by the ‘journalists’ in this country….how to polls really work. To much to wish for on Christmas I guess.
Limerick on December 14, 2007 at 2:41 PM
*LOL* Great sense of irony, that Fred!
flipflop on December 14, 2007 at 2:42 PM
I wasn’t willing to credit him with this strategy before, but maybe Fred really just didn’t want to peak too soon. If he planned to come out swinging just a couple of weeks before the first primaries and take voters by storm at the last minute, though, he probably wasn’t counting on the Huckabee surge beating him to it and throwing such an obstacle in his way. Now he has even more to overcome in an even shorter time. If it really was a strategic decision, it was a serious gamble. I hope it surprises us all and pays off–I like Fred a whole lot better than Huckabee.
But with even Fox News freezing Fred out (O’Reilly put up a poll last night asking people who they’d rather vote for: Giuliani, Huckabee, Romney, or McCain), I don’t know how he can stop the runaway Huckabee train. We’re the only ones who seem to be paying attention to Fred’s recent string of zingers, one-liners, and slam-dunks that are showing how quick-witted and “leaderly” he is.
aero on December 14, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Enough said…
ChrisM on December 14, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Someone speculated darkly here yesterday that Richardson was a planted Dem. candidate by the Clintons. Well that’s got to be Huck with the strings pulled by old Fred. Slick.
JiangxiDad on December 14, 2007 at 2:44 PM
I hope you’re right about him flaming out. Unfortunately, there’s been nothing to indicate he will.
amerpundit on December 14, 2007 at 2:45 PM
LOL.
Sue on December 14, 2007 at 2:45 PM
It’s not good when those 15 minutes are those immediately preceding the first primaries.
amerpundit on December 14, 2007 at 2:46 PM
ref freeze……yep….damn cold around here. Hillary running the WH would have so much more entertainment for the MSM. FOX or not, they want as many zeros after the one in their bank account as MSNBC.
Limerick on December 14, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Boy do I hope you are right. And a debate between Romney and Fred would be a classy, substantive debate. At the end of it I think I would want to vote for both of them.
Zetterson on December 14, 2007 at 2:49 PM
Fred is sharp enough with his answers that I refuse to lose faith in him. I think he really does have something up his sleeve.
MadisonConservative on December 14, 2007 at 2:49 PM
Strategically speaking it is flawless, but it may be a situation of ‘no plan survives contact with the enemy’. Is it too late? Or is it just late enough?!
RiverCocytus on December 14, 2007 at 2:51 PM
I hear you, but it’s still early and Huck is SO flawed that he can’t win the nomination. He just CAN’T! I just hope he hasn’t pulled so many delegates away from red states by the time he flames out, that a lib like Rudy wins it.
edgehead on December 14, 2007 at 2:51 PM
I hope it’s not too late for Fred. He hasn’t impressed me much, but I still like him.
Esthier on December 14, 2007 at 2:52 PM
The front loaded primaries mean this will never be a 2 man race, right? On super duper mega fantastic tuesday it’s all pretty much decided isn’t it?
lorien1973 on December 14, 2007 at 2:52 PM
Fred is the only candidate that doesn’t turn off the right or the center. He is not only the best candidate but should have the best chance of winning. If we don’t nominate him our side is probably shooting ourselves in the foot.
duff65 on December 14, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Sadly probably but we can still hold out some hope. He needs to try to maintain a very high profile the next few weeks and give a strong showing in Iowa.
bj1126 on December 14, 2007 at 2:54 PM
And the RNC will load both chambers of the shotgun for us.
Limerick on December 14, 2007 at 2:56 PM
I hope you’re right, but it’s really not that early. The first caucus is January 3rd, Huck’s support keeps growing, I just got an email saying he’s only $140,000 short of his total goal and his campaign just signed on Ed Rollins.
amerpundit on December 14, 2007 at 2:56 PM
I think it’s about time to chip in……again.
ChrisM on December 14, 2007 at 2:57 PM
Are you serious? O’Reilly put up a poll that excluded Fred? Why would he do that? I used to like Bill O, but every time I listen to him I lose more and more respect for him. He is so transparently ratings driven that substance takes a back seat every time. And someone should tell him that seeking out middle ground on controversial issues is not a courageous thing to do. Most issues can be broken down into right and wrong, not necessarily left and right. Seeking middle ground just takes you further away from what the truth.
Zetterson on December 14, 2007 at 2:58 PM
The window isn’t closed yet. But it’s closing. Please Fred, PLEASE, step it up. For all our sakes.
World B. Free on December 14, 2007 at 3:01 PM
I want to know how many churches around the Country are actively stumping for the Huckster right now.
ChrisM on December 14, 2007 at 3:01 PM
I don’t know. I wondered that myself. It seemed so transparently agenda-driven, since Fred is still above McCain in most national polls. O’Reilly should have included all five of the top-runners in the poll, but if he was only going to choose four, Fred should have logically been among them.
I don’t know what O’Reilly and some others at FNC have against Fred. Perhaps Fred ran over O’Reilly’s dog. Or perhaps csdeven has O’Reilly’s private email address. There does seem to be some kind of unspoken antipathy between the Fred campaign and FNC, but I just can’t figure out what it might be.
aero on December 14, 2007 at 3:04 PM
Well, other than Fred’s open disdain for the media in general. Do you think FNC is freezing out Fred because of that?
aero on December 14, 2007 at 3:06 PM
If they split the states, the race will be on to the finish.
pedestrian on December 14, 2007 at 3:07 PM
Are you serious? O’Reilly put up a poll that excluded Fred?
I sometimes don’t know where O’Reilly is coming from. But has anyone noticed that Fred gets almost no coverage from the MSM?
It almost seems they have concluded that Fred is the most electable candidate and are doing their best to ensure that he is not the Republican choice.
duff65 on December 14, 2007 at 3:07 PM
Yup, he sure did. I’ll have video of it posted shortly.
Bryan on December 14, 2007 at 3:10 PM
O’Reilly is a weathervane. Unless it is kids or Christmas he is open to any and all suggestions.
Limerick on December 14, 2007 at 3:13 PM
The more I see of Fred, the more I hope that he is our Republican candidate.
I honestly can’t see anyone else winning in the general election against Obama or Hillary…
And honestly, if it’s anyone else besides Fred, I’m not sure there will be too much difference between the two parties… at least not much.
Nineball on December 14, 2007 at 3:20 PM
Replace O’R with Michelle and/or MKH and I’ll start watching again. As it is, the only place I ever watch anything from O’R anymore is when it’s a video posted on this site.
thirteen28 on December 14, 2007 at 3:32 PM
Well, I just emailed Bill O’Reilly and inquired as to whether Fred was left off of the poll intentionally or whether it was just an oversight on Bill’s part… We’ll see if I get a response.
Nineball on December 14, 2007 at 3:35 PM
FNC … is not really ‘conservative’, IMO. The real ‘conservative’ or ‘classical liberal’ position can not be occupied by such a mammoth organization. At least they counterbalance CNN et al.
So it makes sense that they would be uncomfortable with Fred.
RiverCocytus on December 14, 2007 at 3:35 PM
As usual, rereading my post it could look like I was defending O’Reilly. Hardly. Blowing in the wind was my point. I quit listening about 2 years ago to him. As soon as he said we need to get out of Iraq I just turned him off.
Limerick on December 14, 2007 at 3:35 PM
It’s been almost a year since I pulled the plug on fox news channel… and I won’t be having it turned on anytime soon, it seems.
O’REally , Whorealdo, the ‘brow, Greta, just a few reasons why it will stay off here.
normsrevenge on December 14, 2007 at 3:41 PM
We need more Fredisms like this.
Kini on December 14, 2007 at 3:42 PM
Regarding possible FNC bias against Fred:
I also noticed that when Brit Hume was asking his “All-Stars” panel who they thought “won” the Republican debate, it didn’t seem to occur to any of them that Fred won. Mort thought Huckabee won, and Fred B. and Nina seemed to give it to Romney. And of course Luntz’s focus groupies also seemed to think Romney won. But everywhere else I looked and listened, people overwhelmingly thought Fred won it. At least Brit gave Fred credit for having the two most memorable moments of the debate. He would have looked pretty stupid if he hadn’t, and Brit’s never stupid. And they all did acknowledge that their perspective might be skewed by living and breathing the Beltway 24/7. (Might be?)
aero on December 14, 2007 at 3:44 PM
FNC is mad at Fred. He hired and fired a long time Fox guy (producer, I think, covered the Hill or something) early on in his campaign. The Foxies think their pal got a raw deal and I think they are playing hardball — leaving Fred out of as much of their political discussions and coverage as they can.
centralcal on December 14, 2007 at 4:01 PM
That will be at FNC’s peril!
Fred is the man, I tell ya!
TheSitRep on December 14, 2007 at 4:09 PM
Rupert Murdoch just put his son, who is a raging liberal, in charge. I think that counterbalance to CNN may just go away fairly soon.
I suspect the reason the MSM fear Fred a bit may have to do with that video backhand he laid on Michael Moore that Bryan referenced above. They know that someone like Fred can use current technology to single out and ridicule any MSM figure he targets, and it will reach a larger audience with more impact, because bloggers and pundits will link to it and direct traffic to it. He is the only one of the current candidate group who could do it and make it work. He could make mincemeat out of Bill ‘O, if he thought it was worth the effort, but he is sly enough not to pick fights with a pundit, at least for now. Rudy is nasty enough, but seems to still be afraid of the media, and doesn’t have the delicate rapier that Fred uses. The rest of them couldn’t/wouldn’t pull it off and still are pandering to the media in hopes of getting a boost.
a capella on December 14, 2007 at 4:10 PM
As to the media black out. Told ya :P
As for Bill O not listing him, it must be due to the fact that Fred uses that eeeeeevvile internet.
Bill is turning into Larry King. He should step aside and let “The Vent” take his slot.
- The Cat
MirCat on December 14, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Bill was whining that Fred! wouldn’t come on his show during the peak of Fredmania!, so that might be part of it.
Bad Candy on December 14, 2007 at 4:32 PM
O’Reilly showed his colors by not standing up for Michelle. Too much of a wimp to nail Geraldo. Now this, O’Reilly whines “Fred won’t come on my show, I’ll show him”.
O’Reilly, this makes you look small and petty.
right2bright on December 14, 2007 at 4:34 PM
Does anybody else find it really obnoxious when Bill O insinuates that a candidate’s failure is due to his/her refusal to “come on the factor?”
I mean seriously, how arrogant can one be?
Zetterson on December 14, 2007 at 4:44 PM
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Kick Bill-O out and start a new, better show called “The Malkin Factor.”
BKennedy on December 14, 2007 at 4:46 PM
We all know it was really because he never had an interview with Hot Air.
see-dubya on December 14, 2007 at 4:50 PM
I’ve been a Fred! man even before he announced but for quite some time I’ve been disappointed in his effort. His most recent performance has confirmed my original decision to support him. I hope he continues to speak his mind. I believe he has something to say that is worth hearing. His positions are considered and well-reasoned. Maybe he can still pull this out but I have some growing fear that he has waited too long. Nevertheless, he’s my man come primary time (not saying much since by the time Texas has it’s primary, it will mean nothing).
As for BOR, he’s a useful tool, nothing more, nothing less, and certainly nothing to rely upon for consistent conservative support.
second digit on December 14, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Hey, while I was posting mine, you had already written the same. Don’t you feel weird? No one has seen us together, we may be the same person.
right2bright on December 14, 2007 at 4:53 PM
Don’t worry, never took you as defending him, and in fact I thought the use of the term ‘weathervane’ was used in a less than flattering (but totally justified) light. We are pretty much of like minds on The (non)Factor.
thirteen28 on December 14, 2007 at 4:56 PM
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amend2 on December 14, 2007 at 4:58 PM
FNC and O’Reilly and the Beltway Boys, and WSJ, and NRO are all PRO Illegal- amnesty. O’Reilly backed the shamnesty bill, remember, he said we had no choice. That’s why he kept Geraldo and let Michelle go. O’Reilly is just a big’ole Panderbear sayin what he thinks we wanna hear.
The GOP elites BELIEVE they can control Rudy, Mitt,McCain, and Huck on open borders. They KNOW Fred will do what he says. That’s why Duncan Hunter got no coverage either.
Take it to the bank folks.
Ex-tex on December 14, 2007 at 4:58 PM
Are you insinuating that O’R has a big ego? No freakin’ way!!!
Next you’ll expect me to believe something ridiculous like “there’s a steroid problem in major league baseball” … sheesh.
;)
thirteen28 on December 14, 2007 at 4:59 PM
I think what many people expect, is some glamorous, chiseled, forceful guy to be stumping 24/7…a knight in shining armor. What you get in Fred is a steady, thoughtful, calm man. There are plenty of “type A” people running around, that at the end of the day get nothing accomplished. Think, Mitt is great looking, styling guy, huge bucks over 100 million spent and not one vote cast yet, charming, and he gets led around the debate like a child.
Substance will win over style. Style always takes the early lead, because so many vote with their eyes.
Fred is just not a “wild and crazy” guy.
right2bright on December 14, 2007 at 4:59 PM
The MSM, Fox, NRO, And O’R are downplaying Fred! because he is the only viable candidate that has the cajones to refuse amnesty and take a hard line on illegal immigration, and shut down Iran’s nuclear program, even if it takes military action to do it.
AZCON on December 14, 2007 at 5:01 PM
I keep hearing this from pundits and bloggers. My question is: what are the others doing that Fred is not doing?
I’m old fashioned. I listen to a candidate, and check his/her record to verify that they actually believe what they’re saying. Then, if they’re electable I can support them.
To me, Fred is right 97% of the time (compared with a high of about 55% for the best of the others), he’s likeable, passionate about the important things, and doesn’t change his mind when it’s politically convenient (McCain, Rudy, Romney).
I think he would be far and away our strongest candidate against Hillary/Obama/Edwards. It’s a no-brainer and I’m confident my Republican bretheren will recognize it.
edgehead on December 14, 2007 at 5:03 PM
Ex-tex, I think we may be the same person. Would you check if your gut hangs over your belt and get back to me?
AZCON on December 14, 2007 at 5:04 PM
ExTex, you might be on to something there. Tancredo’s a bit more flamboyant in his pronouncements and he gets coverage that sober, serious types like Fred and Dunc don’t get.
Only problem is that NRO isn’t illegal amnesty, and sparred ably with the WSJ in the shamnesty debate.
see-dubya on December 14, 2007 at 5:05 PM
In the general election, Fred is as electable as Huck is unelectable. Maybe this partly explains the media’s and the Dems behavior towards them.
edgehead on December 14, 2007 at 5:06 PM
NRO isn’t pro-illegal amnesty
Preview is my co-pilot
see-dubya on December 14, 2007 at 5:06 PM
Obama/Clinton v. Romney/Thompson.
Would that be a winning ticket?
rosewaning on December 14, 2007 at 5:13 PM
Okay azcon-I checked, maybe we could use a little more exercise.
Ex-tex on December 14, 2007 at 5:14 PM
right2bright on December 14, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Right, I hope you are right. My sense is that the window is closing so Fred!’s going to have to step it up. He’s got a small start this week, crank it up!
second digit on December 14, 2007 at 5:16 PM
You shouldn’t include NRO or NRODT in this list. Both were against shamnesty. I think it was a sham that Michelle isn’t on the Factor more but I can’t disagree with giving Laura Ingraham the sub spot. It is a close call but LI has more broadcast experience than MM. I think they keep Gerry Rivers around for comic relief.
We will probably never see one conservative pundit call out another, with the possible exception of Michael Savage who is and outlier and an outsider, because a war of words just diminishes both sides in the eyes of the public. During the shamnesty debate Hannity was all over it and O’Reilly, well, I don’t remember if he mentioned it at all. But neither is going to mention the others coverage of the debate, at least in public.
Bill C on December 14, 2007 at 5:19 PM
Romney/Thompson- uh, no.
Thompson/Romney- maybe
Thompson/Hunter- OH YEAH BABY!!!!
Ex-tex on December 14, 2007 at 5:19 PM
I’m starting to hope for a Thompson/Gingrich ticket, myself.
aero on December 14, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Smoke and mirrors I tell ya smoke and mirrors. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtian. By the way whats the deal with Murdock buying the Dow? I’m sure the integrity of the Dow will not be compromised. /s
sonnyspats1 on December 14, 2007 at 5:22 PM
Fred can do surprisingly well if one thing holds. The Huckabee supporters will desert him at least a little when both Romney and Thompson start pointing out the Huckster’s record. In this game, Romney needs to knock down Huck as much as Thompson. AND if these voters have Thompson as their second choice.
Two big ifs but not impossible to imagine.
Bill C on December 14, 2007 at 5:23 PM
Huckabee is the result of people in middle America being tired of East coast Republicans and Beltway Republicans trying to shove people like Romney and Rudy down their throats. If Fred hadn’t skipped a beat like he did he would have had the mo. Now he will have to overcome the Huck surge. I hope he does.
Terri on December 14, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Vote for Fred!
msipes on December 14, 2007 at 5:36 PM
That’s because Bill O’ is a Democrat undercover operative idiot. And he smells bad.
Griz on December 14, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Yeah, I was irritated about that poll when I saw that last night.
Especially since Thompson and Romney are the only ones I am picking between at this point (Duncan Hunter notwisthstanding).
All I know is what Fred is doing now, he needs to keep on doing if he’s to have a shot at getting back in this thing.
The left had their “anybody but Bush” election.
At this point, I’m “anybody but Huckabee”.
Well, and Ron Paul too.
Hawkins1701 on December 14, 2007 at 5:38 PM
Too good to ever happen. Plus I think Newt would drag the ticket down. I love Newt but in the eyes of too many gullible people, he’ll always be the Grinch.
edgehead on December 14, 2007 at 5:41 PM
O’Reilly is unwatchable anymore.
Half the time he’s talking about himself. That, and he still tries to assign bigotry to the “the folks” when we reject illegal immigration.
Zach on December 14, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Unfortunately, that is precisely what this is. Ego. O’Reilly did the same thing with Hillary Clinton. When she didn’t come on after numerous requests, he kept saying, “we’ve asked her…we’ve asked her, blah, blah…” And then he felt free to comment negatively about her, just like he’s doing to Fred by disregarding him (or by allowing Dick Morris to do it for him).
I think O’Reilly is probably a decent guy and that he and Fred would actually see eye-to-eye on many things. (I do think BOR’s arrogance is hard to take sometimes and I was not happy that he did so little in regard to the Geraldo/Michelle thing or that he used erroneous info to bash Free Republic for Lanny Davis’s amusement.)
I would like to see Fred go on the show. I think he probably will, as long as O’Reilly promises not to waste the entire segment on what took Fred so long to accept the invitation.
In the meantime, my advice to O’Reilly is to remember the old adage “the bigger they come, the harder they fall.”
Connie on December 14, 2007 at 5:43 PM
I don’t it will happen either. I think Newt is more in line with Huckabee on healthcare. That is unfortunate, because other than that, Newt is one of the best minds out there.
Connie on December 14, 2007 at 5:46 PM
I get so tired of O’Reilly hawking all of his *@%#! I mean who would be so unlucky to receive his awful book for Christmas? And don’t even get me started on ‘The O’Reilly Factor for kids”!
O’Reilly actually believes that ALL of the anti-French sentiment in this country has been because of HIS boycott! What a tool!
edgehead on December 14, 2007 at 5:49 PM
Michelle stopped appearing on the Factor of her own free will. She didn’t like the way the Geraldo spitting comment was handled, and so she decided not to appear on the show anymore.
O’Reilly did not tell her to stop appearing on the show. That was Michelle’s call. As much as I miss seeing her on the program, I understand her reasons and support her.
If the network had fired her, she wouldn’t still be appearing on other Fox News Programs.
You can read about it in her own words here.
This is not the first time I’ve seen the “O’Reilly let Michelle go, and kept Geraldo” line repeated here in the comments, and in my view, it has to stop. It’s fine to criticize O’Reilly when you disagree with his positions on the issues. It’s not fair to criticize him for a guest personnel change he never made.
I’m pretty sure Michelle’s moved on from the whole incident, and we should do the same.
Hawkins1701 on December 14, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Fred is right on the issues and the ‘right’ choice… The question is…, Will he ‘deserve’ to be chosen…? Fred-Mitt in 2008…!
Rugged Individual on December 14, 2007 at 7:04 PM
I just sent 100 more to Fred. Keep up the donations.
msipes on December 14, 2007 at 8:07 PM
Here’s my suggestion.
Use O’Reilly’s own “pinhead nomination” to let him know what you think.
Nominate Bill O’Reilly as a Pinhead for leaving Thompson off the poll by sending an email to pnp@billoreilly.com.
Gregor on December 14, 2007 at 8:15 PM
Well the “NO SPIN” guy left Thompson off the poll again tonight after interviewig Huck and Chuck.
Gatordoug on December 14, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Done!
Gatordoug on December 14, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Has O’Reilly offered ANY explanation about why he left Fred out of that poll…? Did he try to use some lame excuse about him entering the race too late or admit that it’s due to him not subjecting himself to a lot of anal probes, like the one Bill O would like to give him…?
Rugged Individual on December 14, 2007 at 9:08 PM
“fled from the face of the earth for months while his campaign imploded”
Bryan, creative writing techniques do not necessarily state fact so much as what the author would persuade the reader to believe.
Chuckle, Fred rules.
maverick muse on December 14, 2007 at 9:27 PM
Reads like comedy. Great line.
Jaibones on December 14, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Pfaw. Fred’s campaign has gone through a nearly complete overhaul since it started, and he did sort of disappear for a while. Remember the “where’s Fred” stuff that kept popping up week to week and as recently as a few days ago?
Early on in the Fred hype, I was in touch with someone who was working at a very high level on the 1.0 campaign that imploded, and who is no longer on the team — because it imploded and Fred had to bring a bunch of new people on. I’m not sure what your point in calling me out is other than Fred-worship, but what I wrote is basically what happened, condensed to a few concise words.
Bryan on December 14, 2007 at 10:29 PM
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