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The House waterboarding bill requires what?

posted at 11:10 am on December 14, 2007 by Bryan
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Thursday the US House passed a bill that, among other things, banned waterboarding.

The House of Representatives on Thursday approved an intelligence bill that bans the Central Intelligence Agency from using waterboarding, mock executions and other harsh interrogation methods.

The 222-199 vote sent the measure to the Senate, which still must act before it can go to President Bush. The White House has threatened a veto.

The bill, a House-Senate compromise to authorize intelligence operations in 2008, also blocks spending 70 percent of the intelligence budget until the House and Senate intelligence committees are briefed on Israel’s Sept. 6 air strike on an alleged nuclear site in Syria.

It’s that third paragraph that has me puzzled. Why did the House vote to block 70% of our own intelligence budget until the intel committees get briefed on the Israeli raid on Syria? There’s a cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face quality about that move that strikes me as stunningly stupid. While I’d like to find out what happened in that September raid as much as anyone, handcuffing our own intelligence agencies in the middle of a war is not the right way to go about getting that information. (If they want to handcuff the IC to stop it from trying to make policy rather than do it’s job, that’s another matter and I’m inclined to support it.) There’s also an element of danger about this, since Congress has been notoriously leaky. If the intel committees get briefed, presumably with their committee staffs present, whatever they hear will get leaked and wind up on the front page of the NYT. That’s likely to upset a thing or two in the Middle East. There are a few members of Congress who know what happened in that raid, and they could presumably give select briefings on the topic that are confined to a very few members in both parties. President Bush should veto this bill based on the Syria raid demand alone, never mind that Congress is going about the waterboarding ban in entirely the wrong way. They ban they’re putting in place would prohibit any aggressive interrogation of the next high value target captured, which may be someone as high in al Qaeda as Ayman al-Zawahiri or even Osama himself. We would forfeit learning whatever we could from them about ongoing attack plans and about the terrorist network itself for the sake of soothing Congressional and other sensitive consciences. That strikes me as unwise. Especially when you consider that in the case of Congress at least, the sensitive conscience act is mostly a pose.

A better way and one I’ve advocated would be to ban the procedure but leave in the possibility of an exception that would be signed off by the president and a couple of members of each party in Congress. Put the politicians on the record since they’re held accountable by the voters and protect our intel officers, who are acting on the orders of the politicians to save American lives.

(h/t Lawhawk, who notes that the Israelis are suffering another round of terrorist rocket launches)


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The Democrat’s America and Israel hating could backfire on them here. My guess is that having a discussion why Israel bombed the Syrian location will bring up issues that poll favorably to Republicans.

thuja on December 14, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Okay – I’m going to pass a new rule in my household that we will be withholding 70% of taxes until we’re briefed on why intel committee needs to be briefed on Israel’s raid before they release the remainging 70% of the intel budget in the middle of war.

Editor on December 14, 2007 at 11:23 AM

Good grief! Their collective childishness and stupidity have no limits! What is next? Why even have an intelliegence agency at all, just ban it altogether! Let the terrorists have free reign.

Gatordoug on December 14, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Crap – today is payday and they’ve already withheld. That plan failed miserably.

Editor on December 14, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Why did the House vote to block 70% of our own intelligence budget until the intel committees get briefed on the Israeli raid on Syria?

Intelligence Committees used to work in an spirit of bipartisanship for the good of the nation- part of that “politics end at the water’s edge” thing. Democrats feel that their partisan agenda trumps that spirit. I have no doubt that withholding funding is their way of convincing their special interests that Israel isn’t getting a free pass on intelligence matters.

highhopes on December 14, 2007 at 11:27 AM

There’s a cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face quality about that move that strikes me as stunningly stupid.

Hey Brian, They’re lefties of course they will do what is necessary to self-distruct.

allrsn on December 14, 2007 at 11:27 AM

Why the heck would the intelligence community brief the House on a raid carried out by a foreign country?? And a country that refuses to talk about it to their own Knesset no less?? Oh, everyone knows it happened, but the Israelis aren’t exactly going to be pleased if how they did it is broadcast from the New York Times and the CNN.

Note to the House of Reps: NO ONE CARES if a bunch of terrorists get waterboarded. NO ONE. Stop trying to save face with a bunch of whiny pacifist nutbars and just live with the fact that intelligence people do creepy stuff. You are wasting people’s time and money with pointless crap like this.

mjk on December 14, 2007 at 11:29 AM

IMO, they through that last paragraph in there to cement the fact that Bush will Veto. They can then say that Bush wants to WATERBOARD EVERYONE.

PappaMac on December 14, 2007 at 11:34 AM

Hmmm…. or is it that someone wants to see Valery Plame again?

After all, press accounts have her sitting on the Nuc Non Proliferation desk for SYRIA while this thing was being built…

Romeo13 on December 14, 2007 at 11:36 AM

WATERBOARD EVERYONE.

Where to begin….

KelliD on December 14, 2007 at 11:46 AM

I’ve said it before. With just a little rope the Democrats are going to hang themselves from the highest tree. Unfortunitely it may also cost the lives of thousands if not millions of American citizens. The Republicans should document these anti-American security proclamations at every instance and make sure the mainstream media has access to them. Because as you know, the moment the MM realize it is in their own best interest to turn on the Dems that’s just exactly what they’ll do.

Griz on December 14, 2007 at 11:48 AM

“…from using waterboarding, mock executions and other harsh interrogation methods”

What’s left? Ask them nicely under a bright light?

nottakingsides on December 14, 2007 at 11:57 AM

There’s also an element of danger about this, since Congress has been notoriously leaky. If the intel committees get briefed, presumably with their committee staffs present, whatever they hear will get leaked and wind up on the front page of the NYT.

That’s exactly what they want to happen. What a bunch of delusional psychos! These people are so dangerous to our country it’s just unbelievable to me that they’re in power.

Mr. President, you must veto this bill and I have confidence that you will in the interest of this country and its national security.

CP on December 14, 2007 at 12:05 PM

The Dems are playing games. They want to be able to say that the Republicans like the war, and now they like torturing too. The later will be talking points for today.

I’m sure they are going to claim that “grass roots America” wants it that way.

I am so grateful that Republicans stayed home and didn’t vote so these self-centered fools could take control of the house.

Hening on December 14, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Here’s another concerning clause of that article:

The intelligence authorization bill also creates a new internal watchdog to oversee all the intelligence agencies. It requires Senate approval for the first time of two agency heads the National Reconnaissance Office, which manages the nation’s spy satellites, and the National Security Agency, the outfit that conducted warrantless wiretapping on American phone and computer lines in what the White House calls the Terrorist Surveillance Program.

All we need is another layer of oversight to screw with our intel capabilities.

CP on December 14, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Democrat bumper sticker:

Keep Abortion Legal : Hunting Is Murder

If Waterboarding is torture, what do the democrats think Al-Qaeda version of torture is.

Kini on December 14, 2007 at 12:17 PM

Veto it and then tell them to sit on it and spin!

CommentGuy on December 14, 2007 at 12:18 PM

This thing won’t pass the Senate.

bnelson44 on December 14, 2007 at 12:19 PM

“…from using waterboarding, mock executions and other harsh interrogation methods”

What’s left? Ask them nicely under a bright light?

nottakingsides on December 14, 2007 at 11:57 AM

We could force them to watch outtakes of Bill Richardson’s idiotic yammering in the presidential debates.

I’d either spill the beans or blow my head off after the first 45 seconds.

fogw on December 14, 2007 at 12:23 PM

As far as Democrats are concerned, if the shrimp cocktail isn’t ice cold, the orange juice isn’t fresh-squeezed and it’s something other than the Ritz-Carlton, it’s torture.

God I hate Democrats.

drjohn on December 14, 2007 at 12:32 PM

This is a pre-leak bill. PERIOD. Designed to LEAK our intel.
UNFRICKIN BELIEVABLE!.
Then again, this is the pelosi period.
Her ‘thrill of fights’ house, as long as we’re fighting amongst ourselves.

shooter on December 14, 2007 at 12:35 PM

What’s left? Ask them nicely under a bright light?

nottakingsides on December 14, 2007 at 11:57 AM

Only if you give them a pair of sunglasses and some lemonade.

Frozen Tex on December 14, 2007 at 12:37 PM

This congress is a sad scene. Two things I expect to see with this is a veto, followed by a “special comment” from Olbermann.

chief on December 14, 2007 at 12:47 PM

You know, I hate to be all “chickenhawk” and all, but if a bad guy has something of mine, like friends, family or money, or info about something life threatening (like a bomb)and all I have to do is lay him down and pour water over a towel on his face to get him to talk in UNDER a MINUTE, withOUT leaving bruises, brain damage or permanent injury of ANY kind, I just wanna know WHY we don’t do it to EVERYBODY who needs to talk, not just terrorists…

Just think of all the children, women and innocent people who could have been saved using this harmless technique, and these bastards wanna STOP it?!?!

Where are the TREASON charges?!?!

Something ACTUALLY works with these bad guys in under a minute with NO PERMANENT DAMAGE, and they want to STOP.
Good God. This is NOT my America. My America kicks ass, takes names, and delivers the goods to hard workers. This is some pansy ass America. I did more damage as a 13 yr old with a black belt. Good grief!

Califemme on December 14, 2007 at 1:16 PM

One really couldn’t do a better parody than this reality.

SouthernGent on December 14, 2007 at 1:25 PM

Waterboarding? I remember that as a kid, only we called it ‘apple bobbing’!!!!

O its not the same?

allrsn on December 14, 2007 at 1:32 PM

This is just another attempt by the Jew-hating pr!cks in the House (Ron Paul, Jesse Jackson Jr., Kucinich, etc…) to club the Israelis, or those evil Zionists, over the head. If you followed the money, I bet it would lead to the Iranians and/or Saudis, who are trying to get intel on the raid anyway they can. All I can say is that Israel better keep its mouth shut next time. Now read Psalms 83.

Andy in Agoura Hills on December 14, 2007 at 1:33 PM

other harsh interrogation methods”

I guess forcing them to look at naked pictures of Hillary is definitely out, although those terrorist bastards deserve that punishment even more than her husband does.

pistolero on December 14, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Democrat foreign policy rules:

1) Don’t be mean to your enemies,

2) Be mean to your friends instead.

Expletives fail me.

But to add to allrsn’s point – “Ban the cruel practice of apple-bobbing! America is losing foreign goodwill by failing to control this barbaric practice!”

Merovign on December 14, 2007 at 2:30 PM

Why did the House vote to block 70% of our own intelligence budget until the intel committees get briefed on the Israeli raid on Syria?

You answered your own question with . .

If the intel committees get briefed, presumably with their committee staffs present, whatever they hear will get leaked and wind up on the front page of the NYT.

- The Cat

P.S. This has been said like 3 times so far in this thread, but it must be told over and over again.

MirCat on December 14, 2007 at 3:40 PM

We would forfeit learning whatever we could from them about ongoing attack plans and about the terrorist network itself for the sake of soothing Congressional and other sensitive consciences. That strikes me as unwise.

Understatement of the century?

Buy Danish on December 14, 2007 at 4:18 PM

So let me get this straight. Democrats in Congress are against tough interrogations of terrorists, and they are mad at Israel for destroying a secret nuclear bomb making facility by a state sponsor of terrorism? That is not good. Especially since Democrats control Congress.

SoulGlo on December 14, 2007 at 7:27 PM

congress needs to be waterboarded

urbancenturion on December 15, 2007 at 11:14 AM

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