Video: Hands Down

posted at 3:15 pm on December 13, 2007 by Bryan

Charles Krauthammer got it right — Wednesday’s GOP debate was the worst ever. Until today, anyway. But even that bad Republican debate had its moments, and most of them involved Fred being Fred so his supporters at FredState made a blog-centric clip reel out of it. Good stuff here, fun to watch with a well-aimed shot at several rivals.


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Go Fred! Go Fred! Go Fred!
Go Fred! Go Fred! Go Fred!
zzzz
Wake up, Fred!

Oh well. Coulda been a contender, etc.

Hannibal Smith on December 13, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Fredmentum?

Theworldisnotenough on December 13, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Is it good or bad that this is like the best clip they’ve had in several months?

Incidentally, who did the viewers end up choosing as the winner?

amerpundit on December 13, 2007 at 3:22 PM

A beta male nice guy would have raised his hand.

Still not sure for whom I’m voting.

baldilocks on December 13, 2007 at 3:23 PM

Speaking of the lousy moderator and the failure to address the two most important issues for conservatives, it just provides yet another data point as to why we need a republican debate moderated by actual conservatives. It might be too late for this cycle, but I sure hope some of the prominent conservative punditry will look into organizing such a thing for the next election cycle.

thirteen28 on December 13, 2007 at 3:23 PM

I stuck this in the Sharpton thread a minute ago but its interesting enough to repeat:

First Read has a list of the amount of time given to each candidate in yesterdays debate:

Giuliani: 9:03 during 12 answers
Huckabee: 8:56 during 11 answers
Romney: 8:52 during 12 answers
Keyes: 7:08 during 8 answers
Tancredo: 6:49 during 10 answers
Hunter: 6:42 during 9 answers
McCain: 6:34 during 9 answers
Paul: 5:36 during 9 answers
Thompson: 5:23 during 10 answers

found that at the Corner

amish on December 13, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Wake up, Fred! America!

FTFY

ChrisM on December 13, 2007 at 3:24 PM

These are RNC debates. They ought to be organized by the RNC and syndication rights sold to the highest bidder for broadcast.

When the primaries are over, that’s different. But until then, it’s all about the base and promoting the candidate’s abilities to get their messages out.

And go, FRED!

TexasDan on December 13, 2007 at 3:27 PM

Sounded like one of those sarcastic game wii spots.

lorien1973 on December 13, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Nice video. I hope momentum picks up for Fred.

nailinmyeye on December 13, 2007 at 3:31 PM

amish on December 13, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Amazing. Keyes was fourth in minutes used and Fred was last.That’s some fine moderation.

a capella on December 13, 2007 at 3:33 PM

Fredmentum?

Theworldisnotenough on December 13, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Frednertia. A Fred at rest tends to stay at rest.

Frozen Tex on December 13, 2007 at 3:35 PM

Fred’s getting more of my money. Good boy, Fred, fetch!

AZCON on December 13, 2007 at 3:40 PM

Thompson is doing something the other candidates are not.
He’s refusing to go along with these non-issue debates. I haven’t seen anything of substance in the debates or by any of the candidates. Although, Fred looked presidential by pushing back the fluff question. There’s too much pandering by the other candidates. They are all acting wishy-washy by trying to have it both ways. Global Grifting is a non issue, taxes are an issue. Where are the questions on that?

When are we gonna get off these Teletubbie debates and start asking real questions?

Kini on December 13, 2007 at 3:41 PM

amish on December 13, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Are those stats meaningful? Fred answered 10 questions and Keyes answered 8, but Fred took less time to do it. Tells me that there is a blowhard factor to be considered. The longwinded types, such as Giuliani, and to a certain extent Romney will naturally consume all the clocktime they’re alloted and a bit more. Fred, Duncan and Tanc are usually brief and to the point. If you ask Rudy how the weather is he’ll somehow use that opportunity to tell you how he reduced murder in NYC as mayor.

pistolero on December 13, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Fred looks and sounds like a potential president. He also didn’t get sucked in on the global warming show of hands like the rest of those suckers. He is also the only candidate that has laid out specific proposals on the “hot button” issues and is the only real conservative in the batch. If we don’t nominate him we are as dumb as the democrats.

duff65 on December 13, 2007 at 3:45 PM

That voice had me crackin up when he said “Thompson came to do 2 things. Kick butt and chew gum, and he ran out of gum.”

JVelez on December 13, 2007 at 3:46 PM

A beta male nice guy would have raised his hand.

baldilocks on December 13, 2007 at 3:23 PM

Nice doesn’t equate to stupid. I’m a nice guy and I not only wouldn’t have raised my hand, I would have corrected the premise of the question for her and then blown up the argument.

Darksean on December 13, 2007 at 3:52 PM

Fred answered 10 questions and Keyes answered 8, but Fred took less time to do it. Tells me that there is a blowhard factor to be considered.

I thought about that, but you also have to consider that the questions were given different amounts of response time. Some were 15 seconds. Some were 30. Some a minute. Getting 8 30 second questions is much better than getting 10 15 second questions. See what i mean?

amish on December 13, 2007 at 3:52 PM

I know we’re all just sitting on our butts, here, or sneeking peeks from work, but what can we do between now and 1/3 to make sure the Iowa Repubs caucus for Fred??

Fred has to do his part, but the man needs some backup or we’re stuck with one of the RINOs to complain about for 8 years.

Consider donating at Fred08 for ad spots in Iowa?

AZCON on December 13, 2007 at 3:56 PM

Sweet!

Thanks for posting that, Bryan. I saw the other one that used Reagan’s Nashua moment. That was good too. Fred has people talking again. ‘Bout time!

…back to shoveling…grr (I hate snow).

Connie on December 13, 2007 at 3:57 PM

I still think he is seeing how quickly a candidate can rise and fall (Giuliani, Huck, Anyone?) and is preparing to put all his energy into the few weeks before the primaries because that’s what the voters will care about.

Cynical? Maybe. Clever? Also maybe.

MadisonConservative on December 13, 2007 at 3:57 PM

At the end of the clip there is a picture of all the candidates standing at the front of the stage, except Romney. Bladder problem, or first to the spin room?

jaime on December 13, 2007 at 3:58 PM

amish on December 13, 2007 at 3:52 PM

I didn’t see the debate, spending my day generating revenue for uncle sam to squander, but you could be right. I still stand by my other statement about the blowhard factor, though.

pistolero on December 13, 2007 at 3:59 PM

A beta male nice guy would have raised his hand.

baldilocks on December 13, 2007 at 3:23 PM

LOL … Are we having thread bleed-over now?

thirteen28 on December 13, 2007 at 4:00 PM

To the folks talking about Fredmentum:

David Brody

Is it possible that Thompson could be the comeback kid? … I think it’s pretty clear by now that Thompson is running his campaign the way he said he would. He’s not worried about the media, pundits or the traditional political game as we know it. He’s going to do things his way and talk about substantive issues. Look, he’s a serious guy and these are serious times. Thompson seems to be hitting his stride pretty well now. The question is, “Is it too late?” Who knows? The Huckabee craze could wear off with the increased scrutiny. Romney’s national numbers haven’t moved much and Giuliani has been trending downward. Something tells me we haven’t heard the last from Thompson.

Jay on December 13, 2007 at 4:04 PM

(Giuliani, Huck, Anyone?)

Remember that yeargh! guy? What was his name? Once upon a time, he was the Next President of the United States. Now he does Preparation H commercials, or works for the DNC, or something like that.
:-)

Laura on December 13, 2007 at 4:05 PM

[amish on December 13, 2007 at 3:24 PM]

Didn’t watch the debate, but going on the basis of the minutes and number of responses, I’d look forward to Fred’s twenty minute SOTU addresses. And it would be great if he spared the five minutes necessary out of every day to do the daily WH press circus (whip and chair included) himself.

Dusty on December 13, 2007 at 4:13 PM

WAIT HOLD THE PRESS, Hugh Hewitt already told us it was a slam dunk that Romney won the debate. Who are we to question Hugh?

Great Video!

Dhornertx on December 13, 2007 at 4:13 PM

Nobody ever doubted Fredz would do well in a debate. The question is what does he do with all that time between debates?

pedestrian on December 13, 2007 at 4:14 PM

GO FRED!!! GO OVERTIME!!! heh heh ;)

christophercube on December 13, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Thompson is doing something the other candidates are not.
He’s refusing to go along with these non-issue debates. I haven’t seen anything of substance in the debates or by any of the candidates. Although, Fred looked presidential by pushing back the fluff question. There’s too much pandering by the other candidates. They are all acting wishy-washy by trying to have it both ways. Global Grifting is a non issue, taxes are an issue. Where are the questions on that?

When are we gonna get off these Teletubbie debates and start asking real questions?

Kini on December 13, 2007 at 3:41 PM

OK, I confess, this kind of idiocy infuriates me. Much as we all hate the debates and whine about them, you’d have to be asleep at the wheel and/or deliberately not paying attention to not pull anything of substance from the debates.

Fred looked argumentative pushing back the question, which is all fine and good but it doesn’t strike me as leadership to say “I find the format of this question ridiculous.” Fred’s going to get load of idiotic questions as Prez and he won’t be able to say “sorry, won’t answer” all the time.

BKennedy on December 13, 2007 at 4:26 PM

Well done synopsis.

According to the Frank Luntz focus group, Romney won the debate.

Buy Danish on December 13, 2007 at 4:33 PM

I’ve always liked Fred – having said that, I really hope that anyone other than Huck is nominated. What a terrible thought – Huck vs Hillary. A 4 year nightmare no matter which one won.

msflea on December 13, 2007 at 4:36 PM

No one comes close to Fred on the issues. I trust him a lot more than the other front runners.

Rose on December 13, 2007 at 4:36 PM

These are RNC debates. They ought to be organized by the RNC and syndication rights sold to the highest bidder for broadcast.

When the primaries are over, that’s different. But until then, it’s all about the base and promoting the candidate’s abilities to get their messages out.

And go, FRED!

TexasDan on December 13, 2007 at 3:27 PM

Voters NEED and DESERVE debate based upon our own party’s platform! Except for Thompson and Keyes adherence, the “platform” seems avoided as though a scaffold, other candidates leading astray on tangents.

Conservative Republican RADIO talk show hosts could each format one 3-hour segment per topic for the candidates to discuss. Say Rush takes a day for a tax debate; Ingraham takes a day on border security; Hannity takes a day on the Iraq war; Savage takes a day on civil rights.

Everyone would have access to the radio debate; and given the 3-hours per topic, no question would remain where any of our candidates stood on any of the topics.

It is a workable solution.

maverick muse on December 13, 2007 at 4:45 PM

Fred looked argumentative pushing back the question, which is all fine and good but it doesn’t strike me as leadership to say “I find the format of this question ridiculous.” Fred’s going to get load of idiotic questions as Prez and he won’t be able to say “sorry, won’t answer” all the time.

BKennedy on December 13, 2007 at 4:26 PM

Hey BK, he didn’t just say ‘sorry, won’t answer’. He asked for time to properly answer and was denied.

I very much liked someone, anyone, slapping down the babbling talking heads that infest the msm. The problem is the gop as a whole has NOT stood up for themselves and refuted the bs from the left. I hope we see a whole lot more of that kind of thing, and I would think you would too.

And if Mitt had done it, I’d be just as happy and impressed.

techno_barbarian on December 13, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Fred looked argumentative pushing back the question, which is all fine and good but it doesn’t strike me as leadership to say “I find the format of this question ridiculous.” Fred’s going to get load of idiotic questions as Prez and he won’t be able to say “sorry, won’t answer” all the time.

BKennedy on December 13, 2007 at 4:26 PM

Well, he was the only one with enogh balls to call it, and he did offer to answer the question, but the mod wouldn’t let him. I’d say swimming upstream against group silliness in which the rest were willing to participate, demonstrates a willingness to stand up on principle and a certain amount of toughness. I always liked that about Rudy, but he’s been a bit of a disappoinment lately.

a capella on December 13, 2007 at 5:01 PM

disappoinment=disappointment

a capella on December 13, 2007 at 5:03 PM

I just wish his campaign was half as good as the fan produced stuff. =(

bj1126 on December 13, 2007 at 5:12 PM

MODERATOR: Now this question is addressed to all candidates and please answer with a show of hands. Please raise your hand if you have never given legal advice to terrorists.

FRED: Uhmm, Were not raisin’ hands today missy.

MODERATOR: Does that mean you gave legal advise to terrorists?

FRED: Do you have a minute, I have to figure out how to spin this…

tommylotto on December 13, 2007 at 5:12 PM

tommylotto on December 13, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Give it a rest tommylotto.

War’s over, the Fredheads aren’t on their insane idol worship trip anymore. Might as well give Freddo one last chance to prove himself.

BKennedy on December 13, 2007 at 5:28 PM

Fred Rocks.
I love the fact that he is not a smack a-s politician type.

He says what he means and means what he says.

TheSitRep on December 13, 2007 at 5:34 PM

BKennedy on December 13, 2007 at 5:28 PM

Thanks, BK. That was gracious of you. I’m not being sarcastic, either. :-)

aero on December 13, 2007 at 5:36 PM

War’s over, the Fredheads aren’t on their insane idol worship trip anymore. Might as well give Freddo one last chance to prove himself.

BKennedy on December 13, 2007 at 5:28 PM

Your stock is rising, BK. Good on you for that.

techno_barbarian on December 13, 2007 at 5:36 PM

pedestrian on December 13, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Same thing the rest of the candidates are doing. Traveling, radio, TV, speaking at various events. That kind of comment has become pretty trite.

Connie on December 13, 2007 at 6:00 PM

BKennedy on December 13, 2007 at 5:28 PM

Outstanding.
I look forward to debating the pros & cons of all of our candidates without the hate & BS.
Thank you for that.

ChrisM on December 13, 2007 at 6:10 PM

BK, I have to agree as well. I get tired of all the name calling and shouting down when I’m just interested in some serious discourse. Thank you.

dominigan on December 13, 2007 at 8:07 PM

Are those stats meaningful? Fred answered 10 questions and Keyes answered 8, but Fred took less time to do it. Tells me that there is a blowhard factor to be considered. The longwinded types, such as Giuliani, and to a certain extent Romney will naturally consume all the clocktime they’re alloted and a bit more. Fred, Duncan and Tanc are usually brief and to the point. If you ask Rudy how the weather is he’ll somehow use that opportunity to tell you how he reduced murder in NYC as mayor.

pistolero on December 13, 2007 at 3:43 PM

But, one of Fred’s points is that he wants more time to speak in depth. In fact, when ConfederateYankee (is that his name?) did an interview with him, he spoke at length. And spoke well.

Tzetzes on December 13, 2007 at 8:42 PM

disappoinment=disappointment

a capella on December 13, 2007 at 5:03 PM

Oh come on, man. Quit with the tautologies!

Tzetzes on December 13, 2007 at 8:46 PM

Fred was right on about that question, when our guy is sitting across the table with the enemy, who do you want our guy to be.

Yes, Giuliani would be a much-needed SOB, but I think Fred could be just as big a one when needed, but without the liberal domestic policies.

Tzetzes on December 13, 2007 at 8:47 PM

Fred for President.

Griz on December 13, 2007 at 11:14 PM

Fred sure hit a chord with me when he took on the moderator. We’ve been waiting for the right man to arise who (likely) will have the unique and tough job of having to wrestle Hillary for nearly a year.

T J Green on December 14, 2007 at 1:29 AM

I kinda like Fred, but I was wrong about Bush so now I have to be real careful. The only excuse I have for voting for Bush is that I helped safe America from Gore and Kerry. But man….. Bush sucks on a lot of issues.

Ernest on December 14, 2007 at 11:39 AM