Is there any way for Bush to absolve/pardon them, on his way out?

Frozen Tex on December 13, 2007 at 12:20 PM

For that very reason, the Dummycrats won’t move on them until after there’s a new tenant in the White House.

San Diego talk radio stations have the recruitment ad for the Border Patrol on quite a bit. And everytime it comes on, I cannot help but snicker. I don’t feel good about that snicker, mind you. But, it happens nonetheless.
Hawkins1701 on December 13, 2007 at 1:53 PM

I’ve heard those as well. I get the “good luck with THAT!” thought every time I hear it.

Are you kidding? These guys will be left twisting slowly, slowly in the wind…

Thanks.
That is what I was referring to.

It’s a wonder anybody still signs up for a domestic agency that is supposed to defend our nation.

San Diego talk radio stations have the recruitment ad for the Border Patrol on quite a bit.

And everytime it comes on, I cannot help but snicker.

I don’t feel good about that snicker, mind you.

But, it happens nonetheless.

ej_pez on December 13, 2007 at 1:36 PM

Here is a quote

…Kiriakou said that each time CIA agents wished to use waterboarding or any other harsh interrogation technique, they had to present a “well-laid out, well-thought out reason” to top government officials. In Zubaydah’s case, Kiriakou said the waterboarding had immediate effect…

The left and the mainstream media have conjured up a narrative that Bush ordered poor CIA agents out to torture against their will when, in fact, the CIA agents “wished” or wanted to apply harsher means to extract vital information and they had to make their case in order to get any go ahead.

Kiriakou said they spent a long time listening to hours upon hours the finer points of islam vs. whatever and it wasn’t until 35 seconds of waterboarding were applied did Zabadaba (or whatever) stop wasting everyones time, cracked and started giving actionable intelligence that saved lives.

I don’t think that torture should be up to individual CIA agents… but should be a Command level decision…

Romeo13 on December 13, 2007 at 1:01 PM

That is the case already. Each and every action employed by interrogators comes from the top down. Thanks to interfering oversight committees and scrutiny, they can’t make a move without first writing up specifics for why they are going to try something, submitting it to bosses and getting written permission back.

Much like our soldiers taking fire and not being allowed to engage until they get the OK from someone not even there in the action.

If the congress wants waterboarding banned, they should do it honestly: introduce a bill and pass it into law.

RushBaby on December 13, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Hasn’t this been done? I think it’s part of the omnibus spending bill that is going nowhere fast.

In any case, the last time they passed legislation like this Bush issued a signing statement that effectively allowed him to bypass it if necessary.

This is but one example of why conservatives must not sit out this election and give it to Hillary or Obama to teach those darned Republicans a lesson. We need a strong advocate for our national security and defense in the White House. Our lives depend on it.

These @!$# people hamstring them and then plast them for not doing their job.

Usually the chain of command will cover your ass if they believe you were in the right… because they have been there with us or been there before. Generals are like half politicians. The Pol’s have them by the nuts because they control their promotion/selections directly. God help you if the real pol’s get involved. Just ask LTC Chessani how the U.S. Government has our backs…

News2Use on December 13, 2007 at 12:38 PM

Thanks!!

President would be a knowing accesory to breaking a Federal law… that whole High Crimes and Misdeanors thing could get him impeached…

Never mind…

Zorro on December 13, 2007 at 12:54 PM

Huzzah and Glory Hallelujah! If only he would…

I don’t think that torture should be up to individual CIA agents… but should be a Command level decision…

Create a system whereby Torture IS illegal… but the President can give a “Pardon” for breaking those laws AHEAD of time…

Anti torture laws are on the books… and its the PRESIDENTS call when they should be bypassed…

Sounds Constititional to me…

Could there already be pardons on paper that have not been announced by the President? Are there even any guidelines that determine when the President must make pardons known to the public? Does the President even have to make them known?

All they are actually doing is making me dislike liberal minds even more than I already do, IF that’s even possible.

“Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.”

The President cannot pardon someone that hasn’t been tried and convicted.

gabriel sutherland on December 13, 2007 at 12:26 PM

If this is true, pray tell, how did Gerald Ford pardon Nixon for any current or future crimes which may have been committed during the Watergate fiasco?

If memory serves me Nixon was not tried or convicted of anything except by the press.

Somebody tell me if I am wrong.